I just cant see that. The issue isnt really the actual restraint anyway fwiw. There's been testimony about the amount of force officers can use when under threat and a man handcuffed behind his back is next no threat apparently.
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
Calling it murder is where it gets silly. Does anyone really believe he intended to kill him in front of loads of witnesses?
yes because they get away with it frequently over there
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Intend is the key word, he probably didnt intend to kill him, so its not murder in the first degree. But it could be murder in the 2nd degree
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/murder-and-homicide.htm
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 14 minutes ago
That of course will just open the gates to more rioting, violence and accusations of racism - prepare yourselves
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Slavery was abolished more than 150 years ago, yet African American populations remain one of (if not the) the nation's poorest and segregated ethnic groups. Just put police brutality aside, a host of research shows that they are proportionally more likely to suffer wrongful arrests, wrongful convictions and face obstacles for the same administrative procedures as other groups.
Why do you think that is?
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They’re also more likely to be involved in gang crime and criminal activities in general - that statistics speak for themselves
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Why don't you try answering the question. Why, in your opinion, are black populations 150 years after slavery was abolished, still (among) the most marginalised in the country?
And those statistics, that you say speak for themselves, what do they say to you?
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Ioag excuse my ignorance but what consistutes as wrongful arrests? I’d like to read up on these if you have any material. Watching documentaries like making a murderer it always astounds me how corrupt it all is.
Is there records that show amount of people arrested and which were wrongful arrests and any stories similar?
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https://www.netflix.com/title/80091741
Shows the history of criminalisation of african americans, eye opener to be honest.
A lot of fuss over one less dead criminal tbh. In the good old days they’d have just cut his hands or ears off as a sign that he was a thief and the issue would’ve been resolved. PC gone mad.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 19 seconds ago
A lot of fuss over one less dead criminal tbh. In the good old days they’d have just cut his hands or ears off as a sign that he was a thief and the issue would’ve been resolved. PC gone mad.
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Its only a matter of time now before Godwin's law kicks in...
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 19 seconds ago
A lot of fuss over one less dead criminal tbh. In the good old days they’d have just cut his hands or ears off as a sign that he was a thief and the issue would’ve been resolved. PC gone mad.
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Its only a matter of time now before Godwin's law kicks in...
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What IS Sizzle up to these days?
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 23 seconds ago
A lot of fuss over one less dead criminal tbh. In the good old days they’d have just cut his hands or ears off as a sign that he was a thief and the issue would’ve been resolved. PC gone mad.
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A supporter of Sharia law. That's a brave stance to take in the UK these days.
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I just cant see that. The issue isnt really the actual restraint anyway fwiw. There's been testimony about the amount of force officers can use when under threat and a man handcuffed behind his back is next no threat apparently.
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It’s not as simple as that mate. It should be in a way because what could an unarmed handcuffed man do even when experiencing what is called ‘excited delirium’.
I can’t see anything other than 2nd degree manslaughter happening at most. Either that or he will be acquitted which will obviously be a cluster fk for a while after. I cannot see 3rd degree murder happening and I’m not sure why it’s even included tbh.
The cross examining of the prosecution witnesses last week was quite damning for the prosecution, in particular for me officer mercil.
We have to remember that all they have to do is present a reasonable doubt.
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posted 28 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 23 seconds ago
A lot of fuss over one less dead criminal tbh. In the good old days they’d have just cut his hands or ears off as a sign that he was a thief and the issue would’ve been resolved. PC gone mad.
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A supporter of Sharia law. That's a brave stance to take in the UK these days.
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You can find valuable lessons in all fairytales
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I just cant see that. The issue isnt really the actual restraint anyway fwiw. There's been testimony about the amount of force officers can use when under threat and a man handcuffed behind his back is next no threat apparently.
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It’s not as simple as that mate. It should be in a way because what could an unarmed handcuffed man do even when experiencing what is called ‘excited delirium’.
I can’t see anything other than 2nd degree manslaughter happening at most. Either that or he will be acquitted which will obviously be a cluster fk for a while after. I cannot see 3rd degree murder happening and I’m not sure why it’s even included tbh.
The cross examining of the prosecution witnesses last week was quite damning for the prosecution, in particular for me officer mercil.
We have to remember that all they have to do is present a reasonable doubt.
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It would be no surprise at all to see him get off.
I've just watched the video of the Duante Wright killing. Sounds insane but I almost feel sorry for the officer.
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
Calling it murder is where it gets silly. Does anyone really believe he intended to kill him in front of loads of witnesses?
yes because they get away with it frequently over there
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Intend is the key word, he probably didnt intend to kill him, so its not murder in the first degree. But it could be murder in the 2nd degree
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/murder-and-homicide.htm
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Yeah second degree murder means that chauvin caused GF’s death by committing a deliberate assault
Third degree unintentional murder is extremely recklessness and it’s normally a shooting that goes awry into a group of people and someone died
Second degree manslaughter - causing the death of another by culpable negligence
The last one is the only one I can see happening and it’s really not as easy as we think to prove any of these things ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’. I think it’s going to be very, very difficult given what Mercil testified under cross & GF’s drug levels in his system mostly.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I just cant see that. The issue isnt really the actual restraint anyway fwiw. There's been testimony about the amount of force officers can use when under threat and a man handcuffed behind his back is next no threat apparently.
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It’s not as simple as that mate. It should be in a way because what could an unarmed handcuffed man do even when experiencing what is called ‘excited delirium’.
I can’t see anything other than 2nd degree manslaughter happening at most. Either that or he will be acquitted which will obviously be a cluster fk for a while after. I cannot see 3rd degree murder happening and I’m not sure why it’s even included tbh.
The cross examining of the prosecution witnesses last week was quite damning for the prosecution, in particular for me officer mercil.
We have to remember that all they have to do is present a reasonable doubt.
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It would be no surprise at all to see him get off.
I've just watched the video of the Duante Wright killing. Sounds insane but I almost feel sorry for the officer.
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I haven’t seen it. If it is a genuine error (what an error) then yeah I’m sure they will feel awful for the rest of their life. But jesus, that is some error...
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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Luckily laws determine whether this is the case and not this nonsense.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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That is exactly what is happening
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I just cant see that. The issue isnt really the actual restraint anyway fwiw. There's been testimony about the amount of force officers can use when under threat and a man handcuffed behind his back is next no threat apparently.
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It’s not as simple as that mate. It should be in a way because what could an unarmed handcuffed man do even when experiencing what is called ‘excited delirium’.
I can’t see anything other than 2nd degree manslaughter happening at most. Either that or he will be acquitted which will obviously be a cluster fk for a while after. I cannot see 3rd degree murder happening and I’m not sure why it’s even included tbh.
The cross examining of the prosecution witnesses last week was quite damning for the prosecution, in particular for me officer mercil.
We have to remember that all they have to do is present a reasonable doubt.
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It would be no surprise at all to see him get off.
I've just watched the video of the Duante Wright killing. Sounds insane but I almost feel sorry for the officer.
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I haven’t seen it. If it is a genuine error (what an error) then yeah I’m sure they will feel awful for the rest of their life. But jesus, that is some error...
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It's mental. It's quite clearly a large handgun and not a taser and she's got it out for a good while too. Stress is weird.
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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That is exactly what is happening
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Absolute nonsense. The guy who trained him stated this is not the case, in court. You can't just make stuff up, there's actual laws and evidence at hand here.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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That is exactly what is happening
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Absolute nonsense. The guy who trained him stated this is not the case, in court. You can't just make stuff up, there's actual laws and evidence at hand here.
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You need to listen to the cross examinations too. It’s nowhere near as clear cut as you’re making out.
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I just cant see that. The issue isnt really the actual restraint anyway fwiw. There's been testimony about the amount of force officers can use when under threat and a man handcuffed behind his back is next no threat apparently.
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It’s not as simple as that mate. It should be in a way because what could an unarmed handcuffed man do even when experiencing what is called ‘excited delirium’.
I can’t see anything other than 2nd degree manslaughter happening at most. Either that or he will be acquitted which will obviously be a cluster fk for a while after. I cannot see 3rd degree murder happening and I’m not sure why it’s even included tbh.
The cross examining of the prosecution witnesses last week was quite damning for the prosecution, in particular for me officer mercil.
We have to remember that all they have to do is present a reasonable doubt.
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It would be no surprise at all to see him get off.
I've just watched the video of the Duante Wright killing. Sounds insane but I almost feel sorry for the officer.
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I haven’t seen it. If it is a genuine error (what an error) then yeah I’m sure they will feel awful for the rest of their life. But jesus, that is some error...
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It's mental. It's quite clearly a large handgun and not a taser and she's got it out for a good while too. Stress is weird.
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The first thing I thought when I heard about it was wondering how long she held it before shooting. Was it an quick draw shoot or longer. By the sounds of it, it was quite a bit longer than that. Still could just be a fk up.
I worry about saying but less so on ja606 but if it was a man that did it, I doubt we would be as understanding.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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That is exactly what is happening
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Absolute nonsense. The guy who trained him stated this is not the case, in court. You can't just make stuff up, there's actual laws and evidence at hand here.
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They can say we didn’t train him to be on the guys neck for 9 mins in those specific circumstances without perjuring themselves, but he was definitely taught that method of restraint and it’s stupid to think he wasn’t. He just didn’t assess the situation well and was negligent in causing a death. Now the US needs a murder conviction, which is what will happen. Third degree.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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That is exactly what is happening
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Absolute nonsense. The guy who trained him stated this is not the case, in court. You can't just make stuff up, there's actual laws and evidence at hand here.
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You need to listen to the cross examinations too. It’s nowhere near as clear cut as you’re making out.
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That’s because they aren’t being reported like the prosecution examinations are. Went on Sky News last night - all reporting was skewed to the prosecution case. They’re afraid of reporting facts.
The prosecution have made a mess of this case trying to throw every conceivable crime at the officer - if they’d just used one and stuck to it, they’d have probably got it - but 2nd degree murder, 3rd degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter altogether. They’ve just confused and blurred the boundaries
He’ll be convicted of 3rd degree murder
Cant see them getting him on 2nd degree murder as he was not committing a crime in the process of GF dying - excessive force will not qualify as a crime in this case
That’s what I think will happen - he’ll still get between 10-20 years inside
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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That is exactly what is happening
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Absolute nonsense. The guy who trained him stated this is not the case, in court. You can't just make stuff up, there's actual laws and evidence at hand here.
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You need to listen to the cross examinations too. It’s nowhere near as clear cut as you’re making out.
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That’s because they aren’t being reported like the prosecution examinations are. Went on Sky News last night - all reporting was skewed to the prosecution case. They’re afraid of reporting facts.
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Not entirely shocking. I actually went through a similar process last week. I had read on sky watched the testimonies that others are referencing here and said on the politics thread something like ‘ok chauvin is done’. Then I saw the cross examinations and changed my mind completely. Probably naive in the first instance but after hearing the cross and further bits. I actually think it’s going to be very, very difficult for the prosecution to get anything. And that means a huge uproar.
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 minute ago
The prosecution have made a mess of this case trying to throw every conceivable crime at the officer - if they’d just used one and stuck to it, they’d have probably got it - but 2nd degree murder, 3rd degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter altogether. They’ve just confused and blurred the boundaries
He’ll be convicted of 3rd degree murder
Cant see them getting him on 2nd degree murder as he was not committing a crime in the process of GF dying - excessive force will not qualify as a crime in this case
That’s what I think will happen - he’ll still get between 10-20 years inside
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I cannot see 3rd degree murder happening whatsoever. I think it was thrown out initially but brought back in.
Also the police force under intense pressure will throw they officer to the dogs
Like any institution, whether political, educational, religious or judicial its main objective to preserve itself and to protect its reputation at all costs - of course they throw this guy to the dogs in order to protect and preserve its own image - typical institutional mindset
Corrupt and sick
BLM will be rubbing their hands together if he doesn't go down. A few more properties added to the founders portfolio's I'm sure. I wonder when when the penny will drop. I'm sure a lot don't care anyway, they just can't wait to tear it up again. What that achieves is anyone's guess.
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posted on 14/4/21
I just cant see that. The issue isnt really the actual restraint anyway fwiw. There's been testimony about the amount of force officers can use when under threat and a man handcuffed behind his back is next no threat apparently.
posted on 14/4/21
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
Calling it murder is where it gets silly. Does anyone really believe he intended to kill him in front of loads of witnesses?
yes because they get away with it frequently over there
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Intend is the key word, he probably didnt intend to kill him, so its not murder in the first degree. But it could be murder in the 2nd degree
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/murder-and-homicide.htm
posted on 14/4/21
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 14 minutes ago
That of course will just open the gates to more rioting, violence and accusations of racism - prepare yourselves
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Slavery was abolished more than 150 years ago, yet African American populations remain one of (if not the) the nation's poorest and segregated ethnic groups. Just put police brutality aside, a host of research shows that they are proportionally more likely to suffer wrongful arrests, wrongful convictions and face obstacles for the same administrative procedures as other groups.
Why do you think that is?
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They’re also more likely to be involved in gang crime and criminal activities in general - that statistics speak for themselves
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Why don't you try answering the question. Why, in your opinion, are black populations 150 years after slavery was abolished, still (among) the most marginalised in the country?
And those statistics, that you say speak for themselves, what do they say to you?
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Ioag excuse my ignorance but what consistutes as wrongful arrests? I’d like to read up on these if you have any material. Watching documentaries like making a murderer it always astounds me how corrupt it all is.
Is there records that show amount of people arrested and which were wrongful arrests and any stories similar?
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https://www.netflix.com/title/80091741
Shows the history of criminalisation of african americans, eye opener to be honest.
posted on 14/4/21
A lot of fuss over one less dead criminal tbh. In the good old days they’d have just cut his hands or ears off as a sign that he was a thief and the issue would’ve been resolved. PC gone mad.
posted on 14/4/21
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 19 seconds ago
A lot of fuss over one less dead criminal tbh. In the good old days they’d have just cut his hands or ears off as a sign that he was a thief and the issue would’ve been resolved. PC gone mad.
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Its only a matter of time now before Godwin's law kicks in...
posted on 14/4/21
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 19 seconds ago
A lot of fuss over one less dead criminal tbh. In the good old days they’d have just cut his hands or ears off as a sign that he was a thief and the issue would’ve been resolved. PC gone mad.
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Its only a matter of time now before Godwin's law kicks in...
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What IS Sizzle up to these days?
posted on 14/4/21
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 23 seconds ago
A lot of fuss over one less dead criminal tbh. In the good old days they’d have just cut his hands or ears off as a sign that he was a thief and the issue would’ve been resolved. PC gone mad.
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A supporter of Sharia law. That's a brave stance to take in the UK these days.
posted on 14/4/21
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I just cant see that. The issue isnt really the actual restraint anyway fwiw. There's been testimony about the amount of force officers can use when under threat and a man handcuffed behind his back is next no threat apparently.
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It’s not as simple as that mate. It should be in a way because what could an unarmed handcuffed man do even when experiencing what is called ‘excited delirium’.
I can’t see anything other than 2nd degree manslaughter happening at most. Either that or he will be acquitted which will obviously be a cluster fk for a while after. I cannot see 3rd degree murder happening and I’m not sure why it’s even included tbh.
The cross examining of the prosecution witnesses last week was quite damning for the prosecution, in particular for me officer mercil.
We have to remember that all they have to do is present a reasonable doubt.
posted on 14/4/21
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 23 seconds ago
A lot of fuss over one less dead criminal tbh. In the good old days they’d have just cut his hands or ears off as a sign that he was a thief and the issue would’ve been resolved. PC gone mad.
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A supporter of Sharia law. That's a brave stance to take in the UK these days.
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You can find valuable lessons in all fairytales
posted on 14/4/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I just cant see that. The issue isnt really the actual restraint anyway fwiw. There's been testimony about the amount of force officers can use when under threat and a man handcuffed behind his back is next no threat apparently.
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It’s not as simple as that mate. It should be in a way because what could an unarmed handcuffed man do even when experiencing what is called ‘excited delirium’.
I can’t see anything other than 2nd degree manslaughter happening at most. Either that or he will be acquitted which will obviously be a cluster fk for a while after. I cannot see 3rd degree murder happening and I’m not sure why it’s even included tbh.
The cross examining of the prosecution witnesses last week was quite damning for the prosecution, in particular for me officer mercil.
We have to remember that all they have to do is present a reasonable doubt.
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It would be no surprise at all to see him get off.
I've just watched the video of the Duante Wright killing. Sounds insane but I almost feel sorry for the officer.
posted on 14/4/21
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
Calling it murder is where it gets silly. Does anyone really believe he intended to kill him in front of loads of witnesses?
yes because they get away with it frequently over there
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Intend is the key word, he probably didnt intend to kill him, so its not murder in the first degree. But it could be murder in the 2nd degree
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/murder-and-homicide.htm
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Yeah second degree murder means that chauvin caused GF’s death by committing a deliberate assault
Third degree unintentional murder is extremely recklessness and it’s normally a shooting that goes awry into a group of people and someone died
Second degree manslaughter - causing the death of another by culpable negligence
The last one is the only one I can see happening and it’s really not as easy as we think to prove any of these things ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’. I think it’s going to be very, very difficult given what Mercil testified under cross & GF’s drug levels in his system mostly.
posted on 14/4/21
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I just cant see that. The issue isnt really the actual restraint anyway fwiw. There's been testimony about the amount of force officers can use when under threat and a man handcuffed behind his back is next no threat apparently.
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It’s not as simple as that mate. It should be in a way because what could an unarmed handcuffed man do even when experiencing what is called ‘excited delirium’.
I can’t see anything other than 2nd degree manslaughter happening at most. Either that or he will be acquitted which will obviously be a cluster fk for a while after. I cannot see 3rd degree murder happening and I’m not sure why it’s even included tbh.
The cross examining of the prosecution witnesses last week was quite damning for the prosecution, in particular for me officer mercil.
We have to remember that all they have to do is present a reasonable doubt.
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It would be no surprise at all to see him get off.
I've just watched the video of the Duante Wright killing. Sounds insane but I almost feel sorry for the officer.
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I haven’t seen it. If it is a genuine error (what an error) then yeah I’m sure they will feel awful for the rest of their life. But jesus, that is some error...
posted on 14/4/21
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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Luckily laws determine whether this is the case and not this nonsense.
posted on 14/4/21
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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That is exactly what is happening
posted on 14/4/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I just cant see that. The issue isnt really the actual restraint anyway fwiw. There's been testimony about the amount of force officers can use when under threat and a man handcuffed behind his back is next no threat apparently.
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It’s not as simple as that mate. It should be in a way because what could an unarmed handcuffed man do even when experiencing what is called ‘excited delirium’.
I can’t see anything other than 2nd degree manslaughter happening at most. Either that or he will be acquitted which will obviously be a cluster fk for a while after. I cannot see 3rd degree murder happening and I’m not sure why it’s even included tbh.
The cross examining of the prosecution witnesses last week was quite damning for the prosecution, in particular for me officer mercil.
We have to remember that all they have to do is present a reasonable doubt.
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It would be no surprise at all to see him get off.
I've just watched the video of the Duante Wright killing. Sounds insane but I almost feel sorry for the officer.
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I haven’t seen it. If it is a genuine error (what an error) then yeah I’m sure they will feel awful for the rest of their life. But jesus, that is some error...
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It's mental. It's quite clearly a large handgun and not a taser and she's got it out for a good while too. Stress is weird.
posted on 14/4/21
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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That is exactly what is happening
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Absolute nonsense. The guy who trained him stated this is not the case, in court. You can't just make stuff up, there's actual laws and evidence at hand here.
posted on 14/4/21
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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That is exactly what is happening
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Absolute nonsense. The guy who trained him stated this is not the case, in court. You can't just make stuff up, there's actual laws and evidence at hand here.
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You need to listen to the cross examinations too. It’s nowhere near as clear cut as you’re making out.
posted on 14/4/21
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I just cant see that. The issue isnt really the actual restraint anyway fwiw. There's been testimony about the amount of force officers can use when under threat and a man handcuffed behind his back is next no threat apparently.
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It’s not as simple as that mate. It should be in a way because what could an unarmed handcuffed man do even when experiencing what is called ‘excited delirium’.
I can’t see anything other than 2nd degree manslaughter happening at most. Either that or he will be acquitted which will obviously be a cluster fk for a while after. I cannot see 3rd degree murder happening and I’m not sure why it’s even included tbh.
The cross examining of the prosecution witnesses last week was quite damning for the prosecution, in particular for me officer mercil.
We have to remember that all they have to do is present a reasonable doubt.
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It would be no surprise at all to see him get off.
I've just watched the video of the Duante Wright killing. Sounds insane but I almost feel sorry for the officer.
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I haven’t seen it. If it is a genuine error (what an error) then yeah I’m sure they will feel awful for the rest of their life. But jesus, that is some error...
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It's mental. It's quite clearly a large handgun and not a taser and she's got it out for a good while too. Stress is weird.
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The first thing I thought when I heard about it was wondering how long she held it before shooting. Was it an quick draw shoot or longer. By the sounds of it, it was quite a bit longer than that. Still could just be a fk up.
I worry about saying but less so on ja606 but if it was a man that did it, I doubt we would be as understanding.
posted on 14/4/21
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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That is exactly what is happening
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Absolute nonsense. The guy who trained him stated this is not the case, in court. You can't just make stuff up, there's actual laws and evidence at hand here.
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They can say we didn’t train him to be on the guys neck for 9 mins in those specific circumstances without perjuring themselves, but he was definitely taught that method of restraint and it’s stupid to think he wasn’t. He just didn’t assess the situation well and was negligent in causing a death. Now the US needs a murder conviction, which is what will happen. Third degree.
posted on 14/4/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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That is exactly what is happening
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Absolute nonsense. The guy who trained him stated this is not the case, in court. You can't just make stuff up, there's actual laws and evidence at hand here.
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You need to listen to the cross examinations too. It’s nowhere near as clear cut as you’re making out.
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That’s because they aren’t being reported like the prosecution examinations are. Went on Sky News last night - all reporting was skewed to the prosecution case. They’re afraid of reporting facts.
posted on 14/4/21
The prosecution have made a mess of this case trying to throw every conceivable crime at the officer - if they’d just used one and stuck to it, they’d have probably got it - but 2nd degree murder, 3rd degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter altogether. They’ve just confused and blurred the boundaries
He’ll be convicted of 3rd degree murder
Cant see them getting him on 2nd degree murder as he was not committing a crime in the process of GF dying - excessive force will not qualify as a crime in this case
That’s what I think will happen - he’ll still get between 10-20 years inside
posted on 14/4/21
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I do believe that DC did exactly what he was trained to do, and has been subsequently hung out to dry in what will essentially be a conviction out of political necessity.
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That is exactly what is happening
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Absolute nonsense. The guy who trained him stated this is not the case, in court. You can't just make stuff up, there's actual laws and evidence at hand here.
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You need to listen to the cross examinations too. It’s nowhere near as clear cut as you’re making out.
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That’s because they aren’t being reported like the prosecution examinations are. Went on Sky News last night - all reporting was skewed to the prosecution case. They’re afraid of reporting facts.
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Not entirely shocking. I actually went through a similar process last week. I had read on sky watched the testimonies that others are referencing here and said on the politics thread something like ‘ok chauvin is done’. Then I saw the cross examinations and changed my mind completely. Probably naive in the first instance but after hearing the cross and further bits. I actually think it’s going to be very, very difficult for the prosecution to get anything. And that means a huge uproar.
posted on 14/4/21
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 minute ago
The prosecution have made a mess of this case trying to throw every conceivable crime at the officer - if they’d just used one and stuck to it, they’d have probably got it - but 2nd degree murder, 3rd degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter altogether. They’ve just confused and blurred the boundaries
He’ll be convicted of 3rd degree murder
Cant see them getting him on 2nd degree murder as he was not committing a crime in the process of GF dying - excessive force will not qualify as a crime in this case
That’s what I think will happen - he’ll still get between 10-20 years inside
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I cannot see 3rd degree murder happening whatsoever. I think it was thrown out initially but brought back in.
posted on 14/4/21
Also the police force under intense pressure will throw they officer to the dogs
Like any institution, whether political, educational, religious or judicial its main objective to preserve itself and to protect its reputation at all costs - of course they throw this guy to the dogs in order to protect and preserve its own image - typical institutional mindset
Corrupt and sick
posted on 14/4/21
BLM will be rubbing their hands together if he doesn't go down. A few more properties added to the founders portfolio's I'm sure. I wonder when when the penny will drop. I'm sure a lot don't care anyway, they just can't wait to tear it up again. What that achieves is anyone's guess.
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