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posted on 18/4/21

comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 19 minutes ago
Looks like the no relegation thing is taken from the American sports model of a closed league. It definitely creates a higher quality of game. Maybe PL/FA should’ve thought a long while back to limit the ownership model to German one to prevent this.
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having no relegation definitely doesn't create a higher
quality of game. you just have to look at all the borefests in the pl when two top teams play.
if my team abandoned the best league in the world i'd stop watching.

posted on 18/4/21

comment by Oldie@Ride🪑or Die (U21751)
posted 19 seconds ago
Sources have told ESPN that New York-based investment bank JP Morgan will underwrite the project, with $6 billion distributed as loans to the teams in addition, AIG insurance firm will sponsor the new League with up to £6 billion with the proposed amount spread between the permanent members as a cushion against outside pressure.
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That seems more normal, there was a typo in the original post that said $60 billion rather than 6.

posted on 18/4/21

No.

This has been on the cards for decades, but when it eventually happens, that will be it for me. I won't go to any games and I won't pay any type of TV subscription.

Due to greed, my club will be one of the archetypes of potentially killing domestic football. That's a step to far imo.

posted on 18/4/21

comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 19 minutes ago
Looks like the no relegation thing is taken from the American sports model of a closed league. It definitely creates a higher quality of game. Maybe PL/FA should’ve thought a long while back to limit the ownership model to German one to prevent this.
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having no relegation definitely doesn't create a higher
quality of game. you just have to look at all the borefests in the pl when two top teams play.
if my team abandoned the best league in the world i'd stop watching.
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So what did you do between 2004 and 2020?

posted on 18/4/21

comment by Flip Flop Flip Flop (U22503)
posted 2 minutes ago
Even if it did happen Arsenal are not good enough to be in it coz they are crap
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Sources have told ESPN that New York-based investment bank JP Morgan will underwrite the project, with $6 billion distributed as loans to the teams in addition, AIG insurance firm will sponsor the new League with up to £6 billion with the proposed amount spread between the permanent members as a cushion against outside pressure.

That’s a lot of money to buy 10 Parteys, so can understand why Arsenal owners have signed to this.

posted on 18/4/21

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
I will. Can't wait to swap Wolves, Burnley and Fulham for Barca, Juve and Real.
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You will literally be the Fulham of the league though. Don’t understand how any fan could welcome this idea.
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Yet Fulham still have fans. By your logic any team that isn't in the top half should find a new club. How can they welcome the idea of supporting a team that won't do well?
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How can they welcome the idea of being the whipping boys of a competition, by choice? At least Fulham know that if they get relegated they can have a run at promotion. When Arsenal finish rock bottom in this super league nothing happens. Same money for failure as for success. Renders the competition meaningless. This is basically “medals for everyone” with professional football. Makes a mockery of the sport
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Except that Arsenal could finish rock bottom and then the next season have a go at gaining the title. Liverpool went 30 years without winning the league (but never kn danger of relegation) and that didn't mean fans stopped supporting them in that time.

Do you propose getting rid of the fa Cup because there is no risk to going out in the early rounds beyond not winning it?

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No, because clubs down to grass roots level get a crack at the FA Cup, whereas this super league is elitist bullsh*t that does nothing for fans and harms our domestic competitions.
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But that wasn't the point you were making. Your original comment was that there is no point supporting a team who are likely to do badly, if there are no repercussions for dong badly. This is exactly the situation that most clubs have for the FA Cup - if you lose you just try again next year.
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No, my original point was that Arsenal would be the Fulham of this league. My second comment was a broad statement that I don’t understand why any fan would welcome this ESL and was consistent with my earlier comments on the topic, that are reflected in the comment you are also now responding to.

posted on 18/4/21

Fifteen of Europe's biggest clubs are in talks to launch a European Super League, planned to start in time for the 2023-24 season, with a $6 billion (£4.3 billion) fund backing the project, sources have told ESPN.

posted on 18/4/21

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
I will. Can't wait to swap Wolves, Burnley and Fulham for Barca, Juve and Real.
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You will literally be the Fulham of the league though. Don’t understand how any fan could welcome this idea.
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Yet Fulham still have fans. By your logic any team that isn't in the top half should find a new club. How can they welcome the idea of supporting a team that won't do well?
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How can they welcome the idea of being the whipping boys of a competition, by choice? At least Fulham know that if they get relegated they can have a run at promotion. When Arsenal finish rock bottom in this super league nothing happens. Same money for failure as for success. Renders the competition meaningless. This is basically “medals for everyone” with professional football. Makes a mockery of the sport
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Except that Arsenal could finish rock bottom and then the next season have a go at gaining the title. Liverpool went 30 years without winning the league (but never kn danger of relegation) and that didn't mean fans stopped supporting them in that time.

Do you propose getting rid of the fa Cup because there is no risk to going out in the early rounds beyond not winning it?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, because clubs down to grass roots level get a crack at the FA Cup, whereas this super league is elitist bullsh*t that does nothing for fans and harms our domestic competitions.
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But that wasn't the point you were making. Your original comment was that there is no point supporting a team who are likely to do badly, if there are no repercussions for dong badly. This is exactly the situation that most clubs have for the FA Cup - if you lose you just try again next year.
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No, my original point was that Arsenal would be the Fulham of this league. My second comment was a broad statement that I don’t understand why any fan would welcome this ESL and was consistent with my earlier comments on the topic, that are reflected in the comment you are also now responding to.
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In that case I misunderstood your initial comment. I read the second sentence as referring to the first sentence because they were in the same paragraph.

posted on 18/4/21

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
I will. Can't wait to swap Wolves, Burnley and Fulham for Barca, Juve and Real.
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You will literally be the Fulham of the league though. Don’t understand how any fan could welcome this idea.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yet Fulham still have fans. By your logic any team that isn't in the top half should find a new club. How can they welcome the idea of supporting a team that won't do well?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

How can they welcome the idea of being the whipping boys of a competition, by choice? At least Fulham know that if they get relegated they can have a run at promotion. When Arsenal finish rock bottom in this super league nothing happens. Same money for failure as for success. Renders the competition meaningless. This is basically “medals for everyone” with professional football. Makes a mockery of the sport
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Except that Arsenal could finish rock bottom and then the next season have a go at gaining the title. Liverpool went 30 years without winning the league (but never kn danger of relegation) and that didn't mean fans stopped supporting them in that time.

Do you propose getting rid of the fa Cup because there is no risk to going out in the early rounds beyond not winning it?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, because clubs down to grass roots level get a crack at the FA Cup, whereas this super league is elitist bullsh*t that does nothing for fans and harms our domestic competitions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

But that wasn't the point you were making. Your original comment was that there is no point supporting a team who are likely to do badly, if there are no repercussions for dong badly. This is exactly the situation that most clubs have for the FA Cup - if you lose you just try again next year.
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No, my original point was that Arsenal would be the Fulham of this league. My second comment was a broad statement that I don’t understand why any fan would welcome this ESL and was consistent with my earlier comments on the topic, that are reflected in the comment you are also now responding to.
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It doesn’t work like that, all teams will have same revenue source and with no buying of players rather swapping and drafting top players according to league position, it will be competitive just like NBA.

posted on 18/4/21

Who are the fifteen?

I assume 6 from England

Real Madrid
Barca
Atletico Madrid
Dortmund
Bayern
PSG
Ajax
Juve
Inter
One of ac Milan and Napoli ?

What about Porto ?

posted on 18/4/21

The idea of playing Barca and co week in week out holds far less appeal to me that playing the Leeds, Villa and Leicester’s of the world. The nostalgia that I have for ties against English clubs will never be replicated in a European super league. Absolute garbage. The more I read the more confident I can be that I’d be done with United if this goes through. Let those ginger American t*ssers do what they want with the club. No doubt It’ll be Tampa Bay United within 10 years anyway.

posted on 18/4/21

Won’t renew my season ticket.

No relegation goes against the ethos of competitive football. City would be turning their back in over a century of history.

posted on 18/4/21

comment by Oldie@Ride🪑or Die (U21751)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
I will. Can't wait to swap Wolves, Burnley and Fulham for Barca, Juve and Real.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You will literally be the Fulham of the league though. Don’t understand how any fan could welcome this idea.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yet Fulham still have fans. By your logic any team that isn't in the top half should find a new club. How can they welcome the idea of supporting a team that won't do well?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

How can they welcome the idea of being the whipping boys of a competition, by choice? At least Fulham know that if they get relegated they can have a run at promotion. When Arsenal finish rock bottom in this super league nothing happens. Same money for failure as for success. Renders the competition meaningless. This is basically “medals for everyone” with professional football. Makes a mockery of the sport
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Except that Arsenal could finish rock bottom and then the next season have a go at gaining the title. Liverpool went 30 years without winning the league (but never kn danger of relegation) and that didn't mean fans stopped supporting them in that time.

Do you propose getting rid of the fa Cup because there is no risk to going out in the early rounds beyond not winning it?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, because clubs down to grass roots level get a crack at the FA Cup, whereas this super league is elitist bullsh*t that does nothing for fans and harms our domestic competitions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

But that wasn't the point you were making. Your original comment was that there is no point supporting a team who are likely to do badly, if there are no repercussions for dong badly. This is exactly the situation that most clubs have for the FA Cup - if you lose you just try again next year.
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No, my original point was that Arsenal would be the Fulham of this league. My second comment was a broad statement that I don’t understand why any fan would welcome this ESL and was consistent with my earlier comments on the topic, that are reflected in the comment you are also now responding to.
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It doesn’t work like that, all teams will have same revenue source and with no buying of players rather swapping and drafting top players according to league position, it will be competitive just like NBA.
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Drafting of players? What are you on about? Has that even been mooted? Where are said players being drafter from?

posted on 18/4/21

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 19 minutes ago
Looks like the no relegation thing is taken from the American sports model of a closed league. It definitely creates a higher quality of game. Maybe PL/FA should’ve thought a long while back to limit the ownership model to German one to prevent this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
having no relegation definitely doesn't create a higher
quality of game. you just have to look at all the borefests in the pl when two top teams play.
if my team abandoned the best league in the world i'd stop watching.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

So what did you do between 2004 and 2020?
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i watched the second best league in the world with a chance to move up.

posted on 18/4/21

all this rubbish that it ruins the chances of someone outside the big 6 getting into Europes premier competition need to remember we have had only one non big 6 club qualify for the group stages in the last near 19 years.

posted on 18/4/21

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Oldie@Ride🪑or Die (U21751)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
I will. Can't wait to swap Wolves, Burnley and Fulham for Barca, Juve and Real.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You will literally be the Fulham of the league though. Don’t understand how any fan could welcome this idea.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yet Fulham still have fans. By your logic any team that isn't in the top half should find a new club. How can they welcome the idea of supporting a team that won't do well?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

How can they welcome the idea of being the whipping boys of a competition, by choice? At least Fulham know that if they get relegated they can have a run at promotion. When Arsenal finish rock bottom in this super league nothing happens. Same money for failure as for success. Renders the competition meaningless. This is basically “medals for everyone” with professional football. Makes a mockery of the sport
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Except that Arsenal could finish rock bottom and then the next season have a go at gaining the title. Liverpool went 30 years without winning the league (but never kn danger of relegation) and that didn't mean fans stopped supporting them in that time.

Do you propose getting rid of the fa Cup because there is no risk to going out in the early rounds beyond not winning it?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, because clubs down to grass roots level get a crack at the FA Cup, whereas this super league is elitist bullsh*t that does nothing for fans and harms our domestic competitions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

But that wasn't the point you were making. Your original comment was that there is no point supporting a team who are likely to do badly, if there are no repercussions for dong badly. This is exactly the situation that most clubs have for the FA Cup - if you lose you just try again next year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, my original point was that Arsenal would be the Fulham of this league. My second comment was a broad statement that I don’t understand why any fan would welcome this ESL and was consistent with my earlier comments on the topic, that are reflected in the comment you are also now responding to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It doesn’t work like that, all teams will have same revenue source and with no buying of players rather swapping and drafting top players according to league position, it will be competitive just like NBA.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Drafting of players? What are you on about? Has that even been mooted? Where are said players being drafter from?
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Best players in the world will declare to join or want to play in the new Super League and they will be in a pool every season where they will get drafted and the teams that finished poorly will either draft the best players to make the league competitive or, they can swap the new Mbape for maybe a Bruno plus Rashford and Maguire for Mbape.

posted on 18/4/21

comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 7 minutes ago
Who are the fifteen?

I assume 6 from England

Real Madrid
Barca
Atletico Madrid
Dortmund
Bayern
PSG
Ajax
Juve
Inter
One of ac Milan and Napoli ?

What about Porto ?


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germans have that 51% rule so doubt they'd sign up.

surprised PSG haven't since like their fellow oil baron clubs I would have thought they would love to be out from under Uefa restrictions on spending into oblivion

posted on 18/4/21

comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 19 minutes ago
Looks like the no relegation thing is taken from the American sports model of a closed league. It definitely creates a higher quality of game. Maybe PL/FA should’ve thought a long while back to limit the ownership model to German one to prevent this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
having no relegation definitely doesn't create a higher
quality of game. you just have to look at all the borefests in the pl when two top teams play.
if my team abandoned the best league in the world i'd stop watching.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

So what did you do between 2004 and 2020?
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i watched the second best league in the world with a chance to move up.
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Haha fair. It was just a light-hearted dig

posted on 18/4/21

comment by Michael. (U1170)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
The diddums crew would be in tatters seeing us get hammered every week by Barca, Madrid and City
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You’re kidding. The plastics will be all over this.

posted on 18/4/21

If I can support the club when the likes of Mourinho. George graham and the likes have been in charge then I can support the club in any breakaway league. My irrational love for the club costs me money and happiness.

posted on 18/4/21

comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 7 minutes ago
Who are the fifteen?

I assume 6 from England

Real Madrid
Barca
Atletico Madrid
Dortmund
Bayern
PSG
Ajax
Juve
Inter
One of ac Milan and Napoli ?

What about Porto ?


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germans have that 51% rule so doubt they'd sign up.

surprised PSG haven't since like their fellow oil baron clubs I would have thought they would love to be out from under Uefa restrictions on spending into oblivion
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Surprised Leipzig haven't - they've kind of made a mockery of that 51% rule

posted on 18/4/21

Bayern have said no. But they dominate Germany without any serious competition. If they had a sugar daddy oil club in Berlin I think they'd be more on board.

posted on 18/4/21

when i became interested in football i never even thought about starting to watch a league other than the pl.
england was something i could relate to having my grandparents come from wales and england.
all the history would be shot in the garbage and in fifty years or so aston villa or someone would surpass man utd's 20 titles.

posted on 18/4/21

If it did happen, yes I would still support United.

But I would cease been a 'stakeholder' in the club. By that I mean that I would not support them financially anymore which includes, buying 2 x season tickets each season and the add on expenses of match days (programmes, beers and Bovril), buying official merchandise (which is something I do rarely anyway) and subscribing to Sky and BT Sports TV.

And by doing so I'm sure I will eventually lose interest in just following the results in the media and catching highlights shown of free to view TV, if any will be available.

posted on 18/4/21

comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
Bayern have said no. But they dominate Germany without any serious competition. If they had a sugar daddy oil club in Berlin I think they'd be more on board.
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are you trying to justify our involvement?

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