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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Its not about the fans though is it? It is about the owners of the clubs. You think that they will vote for something that sees their asset drop in value by 50%?
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Let's see.

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose

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Football is entertainment.
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And what is more entertaining than seeing an underdog doing well? One of the things that I have really enjoyed this season is seeing West Ham and Leicester out-performing the bigger clubs as they strive for CL qualification and the chance to play in Europe's premier competition. To remove such opportunity in the future goes against everything that the game has always stood for.
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Always? It used to be for Champions of the League only, until UEFA realised more teams equals more games and more money and that than competition containing 3 or 4 best from England or Italy would be more entertaining than the Champions of Iceland, Sweden, Andorra and Norway being involved
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The point is the competition wasn't a closed shop. And back before the CL the other European competitions were valued - finishing in the top few spots still gave the opportunity to play against some big European teams. Creating a European competition that you automatically qualify for goes against what the game was built on.
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It was a closed shop to those who had zero hopes of winning the league and qualifying.

Then it very nearly became a closed shop in its current format with very few outside of the Super League 6 qualifying or even having a hope of doing so.

What about the Championship winning sides who can't qualify for the Champions League?
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As I have already explained, they still had the other European competitions to go for, which at the time were still held in high regard. The advent of the CL devalued the other European trophies.

And yes, it is difficult for the smaller teams to break into the CL spots, but it can be done. Take away they hope and you take away a large piece of what football is about.

I have no idea why you are mentioning Championship teams. If they want to be in the CL that have to first get promoted to the PL and quality.
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It (smaller team qualifying) can be done in the Super League also.

Yes, Championship teams have to gain promotion and qualify, until then it is a closed shop with no hope. Wjy is that OK?
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It is ok because there is a promotion and relegation system in place allowing Championship teams to gain access to the Pl and thus the CL. It isn't a closed shop. You just have to be one of the top 4 teams in the country. Why would a Championship team that is in the second league in the pyramid system have a chance of getting into Europe?

Feck me, you do say some stupid things. No wonder you can't grasp the crux of the argument against the ESL.

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Its not about the fans though is it? It is about the owners of the clubs. You think that they will vote for something that sees their asset drop in value by 50%?
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If epl clubs for example know 100% that the esl is starting and the question is whether or not to kick out the esl clubs from the epl. What will an EPL club do if the ESL said EPL money will only be divided amongst non ESL teams and the highest ranked non ESL team will also qualify for the ESL the following season?

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Football is entertainment.
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And what is more entertaining than seeing an underdog doing well? One of the things that I have really enjoyed this season is seeing West Ham and Leicester out-performing the bigger clubs as they strive for CL qualification and the chance to play in Europe's premier competition. To remove such opportunity in the future goes against everything that the game has always stood for.
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Always? It used to be for Champions of the League only, until UEFA realised more teams equals more games and more money and that than competition containing 3 or 4 best from England or Italy would be more entertaining than the Champions of Iceland, Sweden, Andorra and Norway being involved
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The point is the competition wasn't a closed shop. And back before the CL the other European competitions were valued - finishing in the top few spots still gave the opportunity to play against some big European teams. Creating a European competition that you automatically qualify for goes against what the game was built on.
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It was a closed shop to those who had zero hopes of winning the league and qualifying.

Then it very nearly became a closed shop in its current format with very few outside of the Super League 6 qualifying or even having a hope of doing so.

What about the Championship winning sides who can't qualify for the Champions League?
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As I have already explained, they still had the other European competitions to go for, which at the time were still held in high regard. The advent of the CL devalued the other European trophies.

And yes, it is difficult for the smaller teams to break into the CL spots, but it can be done. Take away they hope and you take away a large piece of what football is about.

I have no idea why you are mentioning Championship teams. If they want to be in the CL that have to first get promoted to the PL and quality.
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It (smaller team qualifying) can be done in the Super League also.

Yes, Championship teams have to gain promotion and qualify, until then it is a closed shop with no hope. Wjy is that OK?
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It is ok because there is a promotion and relegation system in place allowing Championship teams to gain access to the Pl and thus the CL. It isn't a closed shop. You just have to be one of the top 4 teams in the country. Why would a Championship team that is in the second league in the pyramid system have a chance of getting into Europe?

Feck me, you do say some stupid things. No wonder you can't grasp the crux of the argument against the ESL.
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But it isn't a closed shop. Its just now you need to finish above 1 of 6 to qualify instead of 1of 4.

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose
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You do know that 14 clubs or more need to agree to the ESL clubs to memain in the EPL and only 7 or more to vote against them to get them chucked out.

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Its not about the fans though is it? It is about the owners of the clubs. You think that they will vote for something that sees their asset drop in value by 50%?
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Let's see.
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The reason the PL TV rights are so high is because of the bigger teams. If they aren't in the competition then the TV rights drop drastically. As does the value of all the PL teams. Club owners will not vote for that. It would be commercial suicide.

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose
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You do know that 14 clubs or more need to agree to the ESL clubs to memain in the EPL and only 7 or more to vote against them to get them chucked out.
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14 need to vote to remove them. It won't happen.

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The PL won't work though. Viewing figures will drop dramatically and less TV money, fans, sponsorship will kill the domestic game.
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Or maybe it's just what the domestic game needs. Clubs who exist to try and finish 17th or higher would now be able to dream bigger. The money won't be there on the same scale but who gives a toss? That's what killed our game in the first place. Most football fans don't give a f-ck for the arrogance of the big 6 and would be delighted to see them leave. Those of us who have stood on freezing cold open terracing for years will continue to be the lifeblood of the game and all the others can stay in their armchairs.
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But the big 6 don't want to leave - not the PL anyway. If they are allowed to join the ESL yet remain in the PL, the level of financial disparity would be even greater than it already is.
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Yeah but that won't happen. The government will intervene if necessary. It's going to be a case of choosing which cake you want to eat. None of those clubs will get both.
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Oh they will, you think the English game will thrive without the likes of Man United and Liverpool. Just go check viewing figures for games like Wolves vs Sheff Utd, no one cares other than fans of those 2. The government won’t have any real sway, they always follow the money and we know where that is
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the government always follow the money
the initial outrage will quickly disappear as fans start debating whether

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose
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You do know that 14 clubs or more need to agree to the ESL clubs to memain in the EPL and only 7 or more to vote against them to get them chucked out.
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14 need to vote to remove them. It won't happen.
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Why not? Given these 14 wouldnt be allowed admittance into this greedy league no matter what, I would guess they need to look after their own interests, none of which will include existing to make the other 6 richer. The football pyramid would go on with or without the six clubs because it simply has to. Why do you think the PM made a statement about this before it was even confirmed. Whatever needs to happen financially to safeguard the domestic game will be done.

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose
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You do know that 14 clubs or more need to agree to the ESL clubs to memain in the EPL and only 7 or more to vote against them to get them chucked out.
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14 need to vote to remove them. It won't happen.
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Why not? Given these 14 wouldnt be allowed admittance into this greedy league no matter what, I would guess they need to look after their own interests, none of which will include existing to make the other 6 richer. The football pyramid would go on with or without the six clubs because it simply has to. Why do you think the PM made a statement about this before it was even confirmed. Whatever needs to happen financially to safeguard the domestic game will be done.
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But they can qualify. Why remove that potential windfall on top of de valuing your own asset by 1/2, in favour of UEFA's exclusive group?

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose
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You do know that 14 clubs or more need to agree to the ESL clubs to memain in the EPL and only 7 or more to vote against them to get them chucked out.
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They would need 14 clubs to agree to chuck them out. They would also need 14 clubs to block the ESL without those sides just breaking away. We all know that there will be 3 or 4 of the remaining 14 who would vote with the 6 as soon as they see the difference in the TV money without the 6.

The bottom line is, despite over 100 pro clubs in the English game, only a handful have any real power. United and Liverpool are going to get what they want, I’m just glad Spurs have done well enough recently to get pulled into this rather than being one of the left behind

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose
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You do know that 14 clubs or more need to agree to the ESL clubs to memain in the EPL and only 7 or more to vote against them to get them chucked out.
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14 need to vote to remove them. It won't happen.
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Why not? Given these 14 wouldnt be allowed admittance into this greedy league no matter what, I would guess they need to look after their own interests, none of which will include existing to make the other 6 richer. The football pyramid would go on with or without the six clubs because it simply has to. Why do you think the PM made a statement about this before it was even confirmed. Whatever needs to happen financially to safeguard the domestic game will be done.
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like i said in an earlier post
if the esl dangles a carrot that the highest ranked of the 14 clubs can also participate by invitation the following.
Do you honestly think the owners of the likes of leicester, leeds, westham, everton would not fancy being best of the rest and enjoying the massive financial windfall that will come from participating in the ESL?

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*when they could watch two titans go at it against each other
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Some of these 'titans' are going to be sitting bottom of this league year in year out.

Are the supporters of these titan clubs going to be happy with watching their team win a couple of games a season whilst their owners line their pockets?
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I don't think this is really the only possible outcome.

I have come to think that it's better not to try and engage this subject for a week or two. People are upset and that's fine but there's almost no rational discussion about it. There's an awful lot of melodrama at the moment.

I'd really like a discussion which is open, doesn't resort to name calling and tries to see the pros and cons and come to a balanced view of how this could be.

It's just not possible, grown men on meetings at work are basically just crying and not forming coherent sentences. I'll have a go at talking it over when people are a little more calm.

The last 12 hours have just been a huge toddler tantrum. I still don't know how I feel about it because it's not been possible to talk it over. I asked a question about the champions league and was pelted with personal insults and abuse.
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This.

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose
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You do know that 14 clubs or more need to agree to the ESL clubs to memain in the EPL and only 7 or more to vote against them to get them chucked out.
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14 need to vote to remove them. It won't happen.
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Why not? Given these 14 wouldnt be allowed admittance into this greedy league no matter what, I would guess they need to look after their own interests, none of which will include existing to make the other 6 richer. The football pyramid would go on with or without the six clubs because it simply has to. Why do you think the PM made a statement about this before it was even confirmed. Whatever needs to happen financially to safeguard the domestic game will be done.
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But they can qualify. Why remove that potential windfall on top of de valuing your own asset by 1/2, in favour of UEFA's exclusive group?
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Why allow clubs from the new ESL earn countless millions from that closed competition to also compete in the EPL competition to earn a further £100 million plus.

Take the gravy train of the EPL away then that's not only all the prize money,it's also less TV coverage for sponsors and matchday revenue.

It could hit the big teams as much as those that are left behind.

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose
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You do know that 14 clubs or more need to agree to the ESL clubs to memain in the EPL and only 7 or more to vote against them to get them chucked out.
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14 need to vote to remove them. It won't happen.
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Why not? Given these 14 wouldnt be allowed admittance into this greedy league no matter what, I would guess they need to look after their own interests, none of which will include existing to make the other 6 richer. The football pyramid would go on with or without the six clubs because it simply has to. Why do you think the PM made a statement about this before it was even confirmed. Whatever needs to happen financially to safeguard the domestic game will be done.
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But they can qualify. Why remove that potential windfall on top of de valuing your own asset by 1/2, in favour of UEFA's exclusive group?
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Yeah they can qualify. They can also be relegated out unlike the others as well as not being given the same financial windfall as the 'founders'. The arrogance is astounding, if unsurprising. Have a good day.

"Or maybe it's just what the domestic game needs. Clubs who exist to try and finish 17th or higher would now be able to dream bigger. The money won't be there on the same scale but who gives a toss? That's what killed our game in the first place. Most football fans don't give a f-ck for the arrogance of the big 6 and would be delighted to see them leave. Those of us who have stood on freezing cold open terracing for years will continue to be the lifeblood of the game and all the others can stay in their armchairs."

Well said Champers!..

The clubs pushing for this should be told to go feck themselves, the rich nobodys from other countries coming in and taking a sport that they don't even know the correct name to and milking it even further!..

Ok, football,(observe, football spelt the English way!)might lose out for a while, but it will pick up again when the newly invited teams to the leagues get settled, the so called top six had to start
somewhere so this'll be just a new beginning!..

The super league thing will get boring for anyone that wants to watch the same teams that have a given right to stay in their self made Mansion play each other year in year out!..

Most will start following whatever is made of the new leagues, because of the simple fact people want to experience the atmosphere of live stadiums and be able to afford what is already expensive football where you's are!..

What will it cost for fans if they have enough to be able to follow their clubs around the World let alone Country?..

That's something I don't think to many will play along with for to long!..

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose
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You do know that 14 clubs or more need to agree to the ESL clubs to memain in the EPL and only 7 or more to vote against them to get them chucked out.
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14 need to vote to remove them. It won't happen.
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Why not? Given these 14 wouldnt be allowed admittance into this greedy league no matter what, I would guess they need to look after their own interests, none of which will include existing to make the other 6 richer. The football pyramid would go on with or without the six clubs because it simply has to. Why do you think the PM made a statement about this before it was even confirmed. Whatever needs to happen financially to safeguard the domestic game will be done.
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But they can qualify. Why remove that potential windfall on top of de valuing your own asset by 1/2, in favour of UEFA's exclusive group?
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Why allow clubs from the new ESL earn countless millions from that closed competition to also compete in the EPL competition to earn a further £100 million plus.

Take the gravy train of the EPL away then that's not only all the prize money,it's also less TV coverage for sponsors and matchday revenue.

It could hit the big teams as much as those that are left behind.
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The ESL 6 could form their own domestic mini league at the weekends where they play each other 4 times, would it get boring = Yes, would millions of fans Worldwide still tune in though = Yes, would that mini league comfortably out earn the remaining 14 league = you bet your life it would.

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose
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You do know that 14 clubs or more need to agree to the ESL clubs to memain in the EPL and only 7 or more to vote against them to get them chucked out.
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14 need to vote to remove them. It won't happen.
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Why not? Given these 14 wouldnt be allowed admittance into this greedy league no matter what, I would guess they need to look after their own interests, none of which will include existing to make the other 6 richer. The football pyramid would go on with or without the six clubs because it simply has to. Why do you think the PM made a statement about this before it was even confirmed. Whatever needs to happen financially to safeguard the domestic game will be done.
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But they can qualify. Why remove that potential windfall on top of de valuing your own asset by 1/2, in favour of UEFA's exclusive group?
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Why allow clubs from the new ESL earn countless millions from that closed competition to also compete in the EPL competition to earn a further £100 million plus.

Take the gravy train of the EPL away then that's not only all the prize money,it's also less TV coverage for sponsors and matchday revenue.

It could hit the big teams as much as those that are left behind.
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The ESL 6 could form their own domestic mini league at the weekends where they play each other 4 times, would it get boring = Yes, would millions of fans Worldwide still tune in though = Yes, would that mini league comfortably out earn the remaining 14 league = you bet your life it would.
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Yeah that's going to work,playing the same teams 8 times a season with nothing riding on it.

The fans at the grounds and watching on TV aren't going to get bored watching that.

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose
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You do know that 14 clubs or more need to agree to the ESL clubs to memain in the EPL and only 7 or more to vote against them to get them chucked out.
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14 need to vote to remove them. It won't happen.
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Why not? Given these 14 wouldnt be allowed admittance into this greedy league no matter what, I would guess they need to look after their own interests, none of which will include existing to make the other 6 richer. The football pyramid would go on with or without the six clubs because it simply has to. Why do you think the PM made a statement about this before it was even confirmed. Whatever needs to happen financially to safeguard the domestic game will be done.
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But they can qualify. Why remove that potential windfall on top of de valuing your own asset by 1/2, in favour of UEFA's exclusive group?
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Yeah they can qualify. They can also be relegated out unlike the others as well as not being given the same financial windfall as the 'founders'. The arrogance is astounding, if unsurprising. Have a good day.
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Got to kick them out otherwise they will continue to run roughshod over the footballing world, football can go on, with less money maybe but if they have best of both worlds the competition is finished anyway

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose
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You do know that 14 clubs or more need to agree to the ESL clubs to memain in the EPL and only 7 or more to vote against them to get them chucked out.
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14 need to vote to remove them. It won't happen.
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Why not? Given these 14 wouldnt be allowed admittance into this greedy league no matter what, I would guess they need to look after their own interests, none of which will include existing to make the other 6 richer. The football pyramid would go on with or without the six clubs because it simply has to. Why do you think the PM made a statement about this before it was even confirmed. Whatever needs to happen financially to safeguard the domestic game will be done.
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But they can qualify. Why remove that potential windfall on top of de valuing your own asset by 1/2, in favour of UEFA's exclusive group?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why allow clubs from the new ESL earn countless millions from that closed competition to also compete in the EPL competition to earn a further £100 million plus.

Take the gravy train of the EPL away then that's not only all the prize money,it's also less TV coverage for sponsors and matchday revenue.

It could hit the big teams as much as those that are left behind.
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The ESL 6 could form their own domestic mini league at the weekends where they play each other 4 times, would it get boring = Yes, would millions of fans Worldwide still tune in though = Yes, would that mini league comfortably out earn the remaining 14 league = you bet your life it would.
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Yeah that's going to work,playing the same teams 8 times a season with nothing riding on it.

The fans at the grounds and watching on TV aren't going to get bored watching that.
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You don’t need fans at grounds if 10 million people in China are willing to watch. I would wager that by the time Man United meet Liverpool for the 8th time that season, the viewing figures will still be at least 10 times that of what the first meeting between Everton vs Newcastle would be. Your looking at this as a fan rather than a the business enterprise it is going to be, one massively supported club playing another 12 times a season is going to earn more money than 2 globally diddly teams meeting for the first time

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Also, it takes 14 PL clubs to vote on any movement to be passed I believe. Not a chance are any of the other 14 going to take the side of the big 6, so they'll either stay or be voted out imo.
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Why would they devalue their own clubs by voting out the big 6 who bring in the majority of the viewers?
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You really think clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle and Leicester would care about that if they've got a chance to become the new kings of domestic football? I think you're seriously overestimating your own clubs' importance in all of this. Ask fans of those other clubs, many would wave you off in a heartbeat, believe me.
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Haha, yeah Ashley, Gold and Sullivan, they are in it for the glory rather than making money. The ESL 6 only need 1 of those chairman onside and it’s done - go to West Ham’s owners and tell them what the TV pay deal will be without the ESL 6 compared to with the ESL 6 and see which option they choose
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You do know that 14 clubs or more need to agree to the ESL clubs to memain in the EPL and only 7 or more to vote against them to get them chucked out.
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14 need to vote to remove them. It won't happen.
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Why not? Given these 14 wouldnt be allowed admittance into this greedy league no matter what, I would guess they need to look after their own interests, none of which will include existing to make the other 6 richer. The football pyramid would go on with or without the six clubs because it simply has to. Why do you think the PM made a statement about this before it was even confirmed. Whatever needs to happen financially to safeguard the domestic game will be done.
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But they can qualify. Why remove that potential windfall on top of de valuing your own asset by 1/2, in favour of UEFA's exclusive group?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why allow clubs from the new ESL earn countless millions from that closed competition to also compete in the EPL competition to earn a further £100 million plus.

Take the gravy train of the EPL away then that's not only all the prize money,it's also less TV coverage for sponsors and matchday revenue.

It could hit the big teams as much as those that are left behind.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The ESL 6 could form their own domestic mini league at the weekends where they play each other 4 times, would it get boring = Yes, would millions of fans Worldwide still tune in though = Yes, would that mini league comfortably out earn the remaining 14 league = you bet your life it would.
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Yeah that's going to work,playing the same teams 8 times a season with nothing riding on it.

The fans at the grounds and watching on TV aren't going to get bored watching that.
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You don’t need fans at grounds if 10 million people in China are willing to watch. I would wager that by the time Man United meet Liverpool for the 8th time that season, the viewing figures will still be at least 10 times that of what the first meeting between Everton vs Newcastle would be. Your looking at this as a fan rather than a the business enterprise it is going to be, one massively supported club playing another 12 times a season is going to earn more money than 2 globally diddly teams meeting for the first time
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Fans are going to be happy watching what is in essence a series of exhibition matches year in year out.

Yeah ok then

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And what is more entertaining than seeing an underdog doing well? One of the things that I have really enjoyed this season is seeing West Ham and Leicester out-performing the bigger clubs as they strive for CL qualification and the chance to play in Europe's premier competition. To remove such opportunity in the future goes against everything that the game has always stood for.
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This.

I for one will have no interest in a European Super League if you don’t have to qualify to be in it.

comment by *Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
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In theory it's actually the natural progression of the standard we've become used too.

Just look at the CL for proof. The latter stages are more often than not the same teams over and over.
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There has been a massive variety of clubs making the semi finals in just recent years. Roma, Tottenham, Leipzig, Ajax, Lyon. Why are you making things up?