Thing is, looking at Perez's comments where he talks about 18-24 year old not being interested in football, not being intererested in watching Burnley vs Palace or Dinamo Zagreb vs Club brugge, and the idea that the 15 main teams are gonna generate huge viewing figures:
If you try and make every game special, you'll end up with no game, or at least fewer games, being special.
The ESL may start out to be competitive with every game generating high viewing figures,but eventually the richest teams - for arguments sake let's say Real Madrid and Man City, will eventually dominate the league, and these fans that they're looking to attract will lose interest in watching 11th place AC Milan playing 12th place Spurs - only the legacy fans that they want to alienate would watch that, in the same way that fewer people watch Burnley vs Palace or Dynamo Kiev vs Club Brugge.
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
Everything this Govt do is too late. Look at their dealings with Covid. They only added India to the red list yesterday, as they needed to prove beyond doubt how dangerous the new strain was. Surely the logical thing to do would be to add them to the red list immediately, then remove them if it's proven not dangerous.
Now we will need another lockdown in the future, as the vaccine the majority are being given is useless against variants. Cheers Boris
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Both Garner and Wilshere make some good points.
My own view is that the only way to prevent the ESL going ahead, is to negotiate a new financial package within the current Champions League structure. This is simply about money. I'm also fairly sure that the owner's of these clubs will have covered all the potential sanctions available to the other footballing bodies before they went public.
Wilshere's point that watching AC Milan v Spurs will be like eventually be like watching Burnley v Palace is also relevant. I pick and choose my ECL matches because there are so many of them now.
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
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If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 5 minutes ago
Both Garner and Wilshere make some good points.
My own view is that the only way to prevent the ESL going ahead, is to negotiate a new financial package within the current Champions League structure. This is simply about money. I'm also fairly sure that the owner's of these clubs will have covered all the potential sanctions available to the other footballing bodies before they went public.
Wilshere's point that watching AC Milan v Spurs will be like eventually be like watching Burnley v Palace is also relevant. I pick and choose my ECL matches because there are so many of them now.
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like you, I also agree with Wilshere. I think the marketing point of the ESL is that the fixtures are glamorous fixtures between titans of football yo will ordinarily not get to see. Will this still be the case after 3 years? Will the clubs be able to maintain the illusions that they are titans without participating in local leagues?
I agree they have had this coming as much as I don't agree with it nor want it.
If they had done the right thing and blocked the Glazer sake like they should have done none of this would be happening.
Want to buy Manchester United Malc? We'll use your own money. You're not buying a debt free club and riddling them with debt so you can reap the profits.
They also shouldn't be letting Russian Oilgarchs and Arab Sheikh's buy clubs and as toys or sports washing experiments
The PL have had this coming. They have allowed it to happen by not protecting the true values of football.
We must stop it NOW and get these parasites out of the game.
"Consequences of negligence"
Exactly this. They've all sat back and enjoyed the millions they've been collecting since Sky came and have done absolutely nothing to genuinely progress the sport but as soon as 12 clubs decide to take a stand for themselves (right or wrong), now they're all up in arms.
All fans are so quick to pick a side, this is actually the perfect opportunity for all fans to actually ensure the right decisions are made for everyone in the sport.
Everyone should be looking at this whole thing holistically and try to ignite the right changes but already the agendas and battle lines have been drawn for the people and yet still everyone is lapping it up.
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
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If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
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Why do those sponsors not prioritise the CL over the EPL now?
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
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If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the PL revenue it generates for the club, plus the 18 home games. Not being in the PL is a real threat.
Sure, revenue will drop, but the CL and EL will still be a comp people will watch.
It seems no German clubs will join the super league.
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the PL revenue it generates for the club, plus the 18 home games. Not being in the PL is a real threat.
Sure, revenue will drop, but the CL and EL will still be a comp people will watch.
It seems no German clubs will join the super league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s no threat at all, no big 6 in the Prem means the TV deal dwindles to about 20% of what it is now - club owners are going to go for that and the 6 know it.
you also have to look at the way these teams see the sporting landscape. esports is much bigger now and competing for the attentions and money of the younger generation. It is much more valuable than football. They have to do something to compete otherwise over a generation football business and clubs will die.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do those sponsors not prioritise the CL over the EPL now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The biggest sponsors want to reach the biggest audience to market their goods/services. The UCL is currently the best platform for this in club football for the biggest business wanting to reach an europe/worldwide audience. The ESL will be in direct competition with the UCL (for everything including sponsors) hence UEFA's fury among other reasons.
Unlike the UCL, the ESL financial package is such that participating clubs will inevitably prioritise the ESL over any EPL commitment, if they are allowed tos stay. Potentially devaluing the EPL and its appeal to its traditional sponsors. If you are a business owner will you continue to pay the same rate advertise on a website with less traffic because its main attraction (top 6 clubs) is no longer there?
comment by Striketeam7 - supporter of the ESL (U18109)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the PL revenue it generates for the club, plus the 18 home games. Not being in the PL is a real threat.
Sure, revenue will drop, but the CL and EL will still be a comp people will watch.
It seems no German clubs will join the super league.
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It’s no threat at all, no big 6 in the Prem means the TV deal dwindles to about 20% of what it is now - club owners are going to go for that and the 6 know it.
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this
and from what I understand the ESL financial package more than makes up for what the club would have made participating in the UCL and EPL combined
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do those sponsors not prioritise the CL over the EPL now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The biggest sponsors want to reach the biggest audience to market their goods/services. The UCL is currently the best platform for this in club football for the biggest business wanting to reach an europe/worldwide audience. The ESL will be in direct competition with the UCL (for everything including sponsors) hence UEFA's fury among other reasons.
Unlike the UCL, the ESL financial package is such that participating clubs will inevitably prioritise the ESL over any EPL commitment, if they are allowed tos stay. Potentially devaluing the EPL and its appeal to its traditional sponsors. If you are a business owner will you continue to pay the same rate advertise on a website with less traffic because its main attraction (top 6 clubs) is no longer there?
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Everything you say is reasonable, but I just am not sure the assumptions work. The big 6 are not trying to leave the EPL, so sponsors won't be paying for the main attraction to not be there.
I suppose you could make the argument that without needing to qualify the big 6 clubs might not try as hard and so will perform worse and this will cause sponsorship to go down, but again is this likely to happen? The teams and players are still going to be the best in the league and are still going to be trying to win every game, even if just to cement their place in the team. Also, half of the teams will be out of the ESL after round 1 so at that point the only thing those clubs would have left to do is play in the EPL.
yep, gary neville getting a lot of plaudits at the moment, but he's said nothing about the glazers before, and even he admits that whilst he was on their payroll he didn't want to rock the boat. now that sky might lose their position as guardians of the game in the uk, he has a lot to say.
but any united fan, at any point over the last 15 years, could have told you exactly what the glazers were interested in, and exactly what they would do to make more of it.
so all the pearl clutching going on is a little like taking a stray dog into your home and then being surprised when it sh!ts on the carpet.
i personally think the op is bang on. reap what you sew.
As for neville. he is just the worst sort of bile throwing, populist. he has been ball licking the glaziers for years to keep access in and around carrington.
his initial reaction told it all. one word on utd, a brief mention of arsenal and then spewed bile twice not only at lfc but at its fans and anthem. If he targeted a non white ethnic minority like he does us he's be fired in a second.
OP
Excellent article
As you point out this has not just happened overnight, this has been coming for years. Money has been allowed to ruin the game, and this is new league is just an extension of it.
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
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Like the Prem will survive without any of the big clubs. Sky viewing figures would plummet, and with it the money the Prem relies on.
comment by Striketeam7 - supporter of the ESL (U18109)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the PL revenue it generates for the club, plus the 18 home games. Not being in the PL is a real threat.
Sure, revenue will drop, but the CL and EL will still be a comp people will watch.
It seems no German clubs will join the super league.
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It’s no threat at all, no big 6 in the Prem means the TV deal dwindles to about 20% of what it is now - club owners are going to go for that and the 6 know it.
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Just out of interest, where do you get that 80% reduction from?
80% is probably about right, last PL tv deal was £4.5bn, last EFL deal was £600m, if you boot out the big six at the end of the season, and keep relegation as it usually is, then next year's PL is literally half a championship one (or 45%, 9 out of 20).
so the next tv deal, being negotiated this year, falls towards EFL levels.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do those sponsors not prioritise the CL over the EPL now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The biggest sponsors want to reach the biggest audience to market their goods/services. The UCL is currently the best platform for this in club football for the biggest business wanting to reach an europe/worldwide audience. The ESL will be in direct competition with the UCL (for everything including sponsors) hence UEFA's fury among other reasons.
Unlike the UCL, the ESL financial package is such that participating clubs will inevitably prioritise the ESL over any EPL commitment, if they are allowed tos stay. Potentially devaluing the EPL and its appeal to its traditional sponsors. If you are a business owner will you continue to pay the same rate advertise on a website with less traffic because its main attraction (top 6 clubs) is no longer there?
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Everything you say is reasonable, but I just am not sure the assumptions work. The big 6 are not trying to leave the EPL, so sponsors won't be paying for the main attraction to not be there.
I suppose you could make the argument that without needing to qualify the big 6 clubs might not try as hard and so will perform worse and this will cause sponsorship to go down, but again is this likely to happen? The teams and players are still going to be the best in the league and are still going to be trying to win every game, even if just to cement their place in the team. Also, half of the teams will be out of the ESL after round 1 so at that point the only thing those clubs would have left to do is play in the EPL.
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So if we go by this seasons form say if Spurs and Arsenal are out of the ESL first round, and are sitting outside contention for the league title (which is completely conceivable)...what's motivating them to do well? They are already in the following seasons ESL and as long as they are in no danger of relgation they are fine. At least a t moment they have the carrot of European football dangled in front of them to keep them honest
You are relying on professionalism alone to keep teams honest, and there will be other subplots of self interest, like players requiring operations who would normally be playing until the end of the season. All that affects the integrity of the league
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 7 minutes ago
80% is probably about right, last PL tv deal was £4.5bn, last EFL deal was £600m, if you boot out the big six at the end of the season, and keep relegation as it usually is, then next year's PL is literally half a championship one (or 45%, 9 out of 20).
so the next tv deal, being negotiated this year, falls towards EFL levels.
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So a bit of a guess then?
Nothi my to back this figure up as yet.
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posted on 20/4/21
Thing is, looking at Perez's comments where he talks about 18-24 year old not being interested in football, not being intererested in watching Burnley vs Palace or Dinamo Zagreb vs Club brugge, and the idea that the 15 main teams are gonna generate huge viewing figures:
If you try and make every game special, you'll end up with no game, or at least fewer games, being special.
The ESL may start out to be competitive with every game generating high viewing figures,but eventually the richest teams - for arguments sake let's say Real Madrid and Man City, will eventually dominate the league, and these fans that they're looking to attract will lose interest in watching 11th place AC Milan playing 12th place Spurs - only the legacy fans that they want to alienate would watch that, in the same way that fewer people watch Burnley vs Palace or Dynamo Kiev vs Club Brugge.
posted on 20/4/21
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
posted on 20/4/21
Everything this Govt do is too late. Look at their dealings with Covid. They only added India to the red list yesterday, as they needed to prove beyond doubt how dangerous the new strain was. Surely the logical thing to do would be to add them to the red list immediately, then remove them if it's proven not dangerous.
Now we will need another lockdown in the future, as the vaccine the majority are being given is useless against variants. Cheers Boris
posted on 20/4/21
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posted on 20/4/21
Both Garner and Wilshere make some good points.
My own view is that the only way to prevent the ESL going ahead, is to negotiate a new financial package within the current Champions League structure. This is simply about money. I'm also fairly sure that the owner's of these clubs will have covered all the potential sanctions available to the other footballing bodies before they went public.
Wilshere's point that watching AC Milan v Spurs will be like eventually be like watching Burnley v Palace is also relevant. I pick and choose my ECL matches because there are so many of them now.
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 5 minutes ago
Both Garner and Wilshere make some good points.
My own view is that the only way to prevent the ESL going ahead, is to negotiate a new financial package within the current Champions League structure. This is simply about money. I'm also fairly sure that the owner's of these clubs will have covered all the potential sanctions available to the other footballing bodies before they went public.
Wilshere's point that watching AC Milan v Spurs will be like eventually be like watching Burnley v Palace is also relevant. I pick and choose my ECL matches because there are so many of them now.
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like you, I also agree with Wilshere. I think the marketing point of the ESL is that the fixtures are glamorous fixtures between titans of football yo will ordinarily not get to see. Will this still be the case after 3 years? Will the clubs be able to maintain the illusions that they are titans without participating in local leagues?
posted on 20/4/21
I agree they have had this coming as much as I don't agree with it nor want it.
If they had done the right thing and blocked the Glazer sake like they should have done none of this would be happening.
Want to buy Manchester United Malc? We'll use your own money. You're not buying a debt free club and riddling them with debt so you can reap the profits.
They also shouldn't be letting Russian Oilgarchs and Arab Sheikh's buy clubs and as toys or sports washing experiments
The PL have had this coming. They have allowed it to happen by not protecting the true values of football.
We must stop it NOW and get these parasites out of the game.
posted on 20/4/21
"Consequences of negligence"
Exactly this. They've all sat back and enjoyed the millions they've been collecting since Sky came and have done absolutely nothing to genuinely progress the sport but as soon as 12 clubs decide to take a stand for themselves (right or wrong), now they're all up in arms.
All fans are so quick to pick a side, this is actually the perfect opportunity for all fans to actually ensure the right decisions are made for everyone in the sport.
Everyone should be looking at this whole thing holistically and try to ignite the right changes but already the agendas and battle lines have been drawn for the people and yet still everyone is lapping it up.
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do those sponsors not prioritise the CL over the EPL now?
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the PL revenue it generates for the club, plus the 18 home games. Not being in the PL is a real threat.
Sure, revenue will drop, but the CL and EL will still be a comp people will watch.
It seems no German clubs will join the super league.
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the PL revenue it generates for the club, plus the 18 home games. Not being in the PL is a real threat.
Sure, revenue will drop, but the CL and EL will still be a comp people will watch.
It seems no German clubs will join the super league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s no threat at all, no big 6 in the Prem means the TV deal dwindles to about 20% of what it is now - club owners are going to go for that and the 6 know it.
posted on 20/4/21
you also have to look at the way these teams see the sporting landscape. esports is much bigger now and competing for the attentions and money of the younger generation. It is much more valuable than football. They have to do something to compete otherwise over a generation football business and clubs will die.
posted on 20/4/21
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do those sponsors not prioritise the CL over the EPL now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The biggest sponsors want to reach the biggest audience to market their goods/services. The UCL is currently the best platform for this in club football for the biggest business wanting to reach an europe/worldwide audience. The ESL will be in direct competition with the UCL (for everything including sponsors) hence UEFA's fury among other reasons.
Unlike the UCL, the ESL financial package is such that participating clubs will inevitably prioritise the ESL over any EPL commitment, if they are allowed tos stay. Potentially devaluing the EPL and its appeal to its traditional sponsors. If you are a business owner will you continue to pay the same rate advertise on a website with less traffic because its main attraction (top 6 clubs) is no longer there?
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Striketeam7 - supporter of the ESL (U18109)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the PL revenue it generates for the club, plus the 18 home games. Not being in the PL is a real threat.
Sure, revenue will drop, but the CL and EL will still be a comp people will watch.
It seems no German clubs will join the super league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s no threat at all, no big 6 in the Prem means the TV deal dwindles to about 20% of what it is now - club owners are going to go for that and the 6 know it.
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this
and from what I understand the ESL financial package more than makes up for what the club would have made participating in the UCL and EPL combined
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do those sponsors not prioritise the CL over the EPL now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The biggest sponsors want to reach the biggest audience to market their goods/services. The UCL is currently the best platform for this in club football for the biggest business wanting to reach an europe/worldwide audience. The ESL will be in direct competition with the UCL (for everything including sponsors) hence UEFA's fury among other reasons.
Unlike the UCL, the ESL financial package is such that participating clubs will inevitably prioritise the ESL over any EPL commitment, if they are allowed tos stay. Potentially devaluing the EPL and its appeal to its traditional sponsors. If you are a business owner will you continue to pay the same rate advertise on a website with less traffic because its main attraction (top 6 clubs) is no longer there?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everything you say is reasonable, but I just am not sure the assumptions work. The big 6 are not trying to leave the EPL, so sponsors won't be paying for the main attraction to not be there.
I suppose you could make the argument that without needing to qualify the big 6 clubs might not try as hard and so will perform worse and this will cause sponsorship to go down, but again is this likely to happen? The teams and players are still going to be the best in the league and are still going to be trying to win every game, even if just to cement their place in the team. Also, half of the teams will be out of the ESL after round 1 so at that point the only thing those clubs would have left to do is play in the EPL.
posted on 20/4/21
yep, gary neville getting a lot of plaudits at the moment, but he's said nothing about the glazers before, and even he admits that whilst he was on their payroll he didn't want to rock the boat. now that sky might lose their position as guardians of the game in the uk, he has a lot to say.
but any united fan, at any point over the last 15 years, could have told you exactly what the glazers were interested in, and exactly what they would do to make more of it.
so all the pearl clutching going on is a little like taking a stray dog into your home and then being surprised when it sh!ts on the carpet.
posted on 20/4/21
i personally think the op is bang on. reap what you sew.
As for neville. he is just the worst sort of bile throwing, populist. he has been ball licking the glaziers for years to keep access in and around carrington.
his initial reaction told it all. one word on utd, a brief mention of arsenal and then spewed bile twice not only at lfc but at its fans and anthem. If he targeted a non white ethnic minority like he does us he's be fired in a second.
posted on 20/4/21
OP
Excellent article
As you point out this has not just happened overnight, this has been coming for years. Money has been allowed to ruin the game, and this is new league is just an extension of it.
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
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Like the Prem will survive without any of the big clubs. Sky viewing figures would plummet, and with it the money the Prem relies on.
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Striketeam7 - supporter of the ESL (U18109)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
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If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
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And the PL revenue it generates for the club, plus the 18 home games. Not being in the PL is a real threat.
Sure, revenue will drop, but the CL and EL will still be a comp people will watch.
It seems no German clubs will join the super league.
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It’s no threat at all, no big 6 in the Prem means the TV deal dwindles to about 20% of what it is now - club owners are going to go for that and the 6 know it.
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Just out of interest, where do you get that 80% reduction from?
posted on 20/4/21
80% is probably about right, last PL tv deal was £4.5bn, last EFL deal was £600m, if you boot out the big six at the end of the season, and keep relegation as it usually is, then next year's PL is literally half a championship one (or 45%, 9 out of 20).
so the next tv deal, being negotiated this year, falls towards EFL levels.
posted on 20/4/21
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Chester Chesterton III (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stop a Euro Super League? Easy, block entry to the PL.
Sure that’s possible
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If the ESL takes off the EPL status will be greatly reduced (at least in the short term). Revenue will also dwindle as sponsors will most likely prioritise the ESL over the EPL.
All expulsion will do is relieve the ESL clubs from their EPL commitments
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Why do those sponsors not prioritise the CL over the EPL now?
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The biggest sponsors want to reach the biggest audience to market their goods/services. The UCL is currently the best platform for this in club football for the biggest business wanting to reach an europe/worldwide audience. The ESL will be in direct competition with the UCL (for everything including sponsors) hence UEFA's fury among other reasons.
Unlike the UCL, the ESL financial package is such that participating clubs will inevitably prioritise the ESL over any EPL commitment, if they are allowed tos stay. Potentially devaluing the EPL and its appeal to its traditional sponsors. If you are a business owner will you continue to pay the same rate advertise on a website with less traffic because its main attraction (top 6 clubs) is no longer there?
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Everything you say is reasonable, but I just am not sure the assumptions work. The big 6 are not trying to leave the EPL, so sponsors won't be paying for the main attraction to not be there.
I suppose you could make the argument that without needing to qualify the big 6 clubs might not try as hard and so will perform worse and this will cause sponsorship to go down, but again is this likely to happen? The teams and players are still going to be the best in the league and are still going to be trying to win every game, even if just to cement their place in the team. Also, half of the teams will be out of the ESL after round 1 so at that point the only thing those clubs would have left to do is play in the EPL.
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So if we go by this seasons form say if Spurs and Arsenal are out of the ESL first round, and are sitting outside contention for the league title (which is completely conceivable)...what's motivating them to do well? They are already in the following seasons ESL and as long as they are in no danger of relgation they are fine. At least a t moment they have the carrot of European football dangled in front of them to keep them honest
posted on 20/4/21
You are relying on professionalism alone to keep teams honest, and there will be other subplots of self interest, like players requiring operations who would normally be playing until the end of the season. All that affects the integrity of the league
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 7 minutes ago
80% is probably about right, last PL tv deal was £4.5bn, last EFL deal was £600m, if you boot out the big six at the end of the season, and keep relegation as it usually is, then next year's PL is literally half a championship one (or 45%, 9 out of 20).
so the next tv deal, being negotiated this year, falls towards EFL levels.
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So a bit of a guess then?
Nothi my to back this figure up as yet.
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