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the biggest losers from this saga..

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posted on 21/4/21

comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Whitehotlanespur (U9832)
posted 5 minutes ago
awaiting to see what sanction the PL impose on the 6 scambags, if any
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they shouldnt impose anything on the clubs.

its the owners who are to blame here, not the clubs.

punishing the clubs would be punishing the players and fans who have done nothing wrong
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Nonsense. None of these clubs care about all the fans of Bury, Portsmouth, Coventry, Birmingham, Bolton etc when they are docked points for going into administration. That is never the fans or players faults, but they get punished then because of the owners and all these clubs are happy to be part of that system. The FFP system openly promotes that kind of punishment for breaking the rules.

Just because these are bigger clubs, doesn't mean that they should be exempt from punishment. Points deductions and European football bans are all more than fair punishment, in line with what other clubs will get for breaking any rules. Fans of these clubs do not have a given right to European football. Their clubs will still play in the league and they can still support.

Any failure to properly punish these clubs will result in this happening again in the future. We already had project big picture before this. The people behind this are not sorry they upset fans, they are sorry the fans didn't go with them.
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What rules did they break?
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I think the bringing the game into disrepute rule would cover this.
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Lots of clubs have brought the game into disrepute over the years, and just get a slap on the wrist.

I do agree with you though that all six should be punished, and quite heavily.

posted on 21/4/21

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago

What rules did they break?
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The Premier League manual says:

'L.9.Except with the prior written approval of the Board, during the Season a Club shall not enter or play its senior men’s first team in any competition other than:
L.9.1. the UEFA Champions League;
L.9.2. the UEFA Europa League;
L.9.3. the F.A. Cup;
L.9.4. the F.A. Community Shield;
L.9.5. the Football League Cup;
OrL.9.6. competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member'

They broke this rule as soon as they signed the contract to join another competition without permission from the FA. 
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They'll probably just be able to argue they weren't entering the Super League until next season so this doesn't apply.

posted on 21/4/21

comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago

What rules did they break?
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The Premier League manual says:

'L.9.Except with the prior written approval of the Board, during the Season a Club shall not enter or play its senior men’s first team in any competition other than:
L.9.1. the UEFA Champions League;
L.9.2. the UEFA Europa League;
L.9.3. the F.A. Cup;
L.9.4. the F.A. Community Shield;
L.9.5. the Football League Cup;
OrL.9.6. competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member'

They broke this rule as soon as they signed the contract to join another competition without permission from the FA. 
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They'll probably just be able to argue they weren't entering the Super League until next season so this doesn't apply.
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That would be their defence. The prosecution would just point to the intent with signing the contract. There are enough grounds for the Premier League to issue points deductions.

Thats without mentioning the numerous UEFA rules the broke by trying to organise themselves.

It doesn't matter anyway. Nothing will be done. They will get away with it as the authorities go into self preservation mode. Then they will be back to try it again in the future. The Super League organiser have already said they will work on a new proposal.

The damage is already done.

posted on 21/4/21

comment by sandy, Super League here we come, Ryan Mason our new boss (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficio... (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
Understand Spurs total debt is £1.17b which is the real reason why they wanted (along with the rest) wanted to join the ESL.

https://tothelaneandback.com/2021/02/10/daniel-levy-faces-massive-1-17billion-debt-after-tottenham-stadium-construction/
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It could be really crippling this debt. In typical Spursiness fashion, the new ground was built at exactly the wrong time. Who would have guessed it would be shut down a year after opening with absolutely no revenue coming in.

I am afraid Spurs will be in the wilderness for a bit now, until they get this debt down to manageable levels. There will be no spending big on managers, no expensive players coming in, but lots of the better players leaving I suspect.

I can live with that. Better the club survives in the long run, a bit of short term pain aint going to hurt.

No doubt lots of our supporters will be up in arms though if Spurs don`t spend big in the coming couple of seasons.
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Yet again Sandy why would anybody even bother giving your opinions the time of day. After all you assured everybody that Jose wouldnt be sacked and guess what happened!!!!!

posted on 21/4/21

So really, the biggest losers in all of this are the fans and the sport. The greatest trick they are playing now is making them think they have won and this will go away.

posted on 21/4/21

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago

What rules did they break?
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The Premier League manual says:

'L.9.Except with the prior written approval of the Board, during the Season a Club shall not enter or play its senior men’s first team in any competition other than:
L.9.1. the UEFA Champions League;
L.9.2. the UEFA Europa League;
L.9.3. the F.A. Cup;
L.9.4. the F.A. Community Shield;
L.9.5. the Football League Cup;
OrL.9.6. competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member'

They broke this rule as soon as they signed the contract to join another competition without permission from the FA. 
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They'll probably just be able to argue they weren't entering the Super League until next season so this doesn't apply.
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That would be their defence. The prosecution would just point to the intent with signing the contract. There are enough grounds for the Premier League to issue points deductions.

Thats without mentioning the numerous UEFA rules the broke by trying to organise themselves.

It doesn't matter anyway. Nothing will be done. They will get away with it as the authorities go into self preservation mode. Then they will be back to try it again in the future. The Super League organiser have already said they will work on a new proposal.

The damage is already done.
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It doesn't say that the clubs cannot intend to enter a new or play in a new league. It says they cannot do so, and they havent.

You can say you are going to steal from someone next week, but if you don't actually do it then you havent committed a crime.

You could argue that they entered the competition by signing the contract, but the fact that they were able to pull out of this contract so easily suggests it wasn't actually that binding.

posted on 21/4/21

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago

What rules did they break?
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The Premier League manual says:

'L.9.Except with the prior written approval of the Board, during the Season a Club shall not enter or play its senior men’s first team in any competition other than:
L.9.1. the UEFA Champions League;
L.9.2. the UEFA Europa League;
L.9.3. the F.A. Cup;
L.9.4. the F.A. Community Shield;
L.9.5. the Football League Cup;
OrL.9.6. competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member'

They broke this rule as soon as they signed the contract to join another competition without permission from the FA. 
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Did you deliberately miss the bit that says "during the season"?

posted on 21/4/21

Pretty much every contract has an exit clause. You can't claim there was no intent just because of that.

The crime analogy is stupid as well. If you sign a contract to commit a criminal activity, they aren't going to let you off because you hadn't yet committed it. The punishment might be less severe, but you will still be trialled. You're clubs are all basically the Tiger King of football.

There is also this UEFA regulation which I missed off:

Article 49
Jurisdiction 1
UEFA shall have the sole jurisdiction to organise or abolish international competitions in Europe in which Member Associations and/or their clubs participate.

There are plenty of rules they can punish them for breaking. The fact is the authorities won't do it, through cowardice or through their own greed.

posted on 21/4/21

comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago

What rules did they break?
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The Premier League manual says:

'L.9.Except with the prior written approval of the Board, during the Season a Club shall not enter or play its senior men’s first team in any competition other than:
L.9.1. the UEFA Champions League;
L.9.2. the UEFA Europa League;
L.9.3. the F.A. Cup;
L.9.4. the F.A. Community Shield;
L.9.5. the Football League Cup;
OrL.9.6. competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member'

They broke this rule as soon as they signed the contract to join another competition without permission from the FA. 
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Did you deliberately miss the bit that says "during the season"?
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Nope. We already discussed that.

posted on 21/4/21

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
Pretty much every contract has an exit clause. You can't claim there was no intent just because of that.

The crime analogy is stupid as well. If you sign a contract to commit a criminal activity, they aren't going to let you off because you hadn't yet committed it. The punishment might be less severe, but you will still be trialled. You're clubs are all basically the Tiger King of football.

There is also this UEFA regulation which I missed off:

Article 49
Jurisdiction 1
UEFA shall have the sole jurisdiction to organise or abolish international competitions in Europe in which Member Associations and/or their clubs participate.

There are plenty of rules they can punish them for breaking. The fact is the authorities won't do it, through cowardice or through their own greed.
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Yeah exactly think how many convicted terrorists would use the "but I didn't do anything yet" clause for plotting an attack. There are absolutely many cases of people being prosecuted for plotting to commit a crime/break rules.

posted on 21/4/21

Why isn't the UEFA super cup on that list? Does this mean every PL team that has played in that one off game breached L.9? Or do they get written approval each time they participate?

posted on 21/4/21

comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
Pretty much every contract has an exit clause. You can't claim there was no intent just because of that.

The crime analogy is stupid as well. If you sign a contract to commit a criminal activity, they aren't going to let you off because you hadn't yet committed it. The punishment might be less severe, but you will still be trialled. You're clubs are all basically the Tiger King of football.

There is also this UEFA regulation which I missed off:

Article 49
Jurisdiction 1
UEFA shall have the sole jurisdiction to organise or abolish international competitions in Europe in which Member Associations and/or their clubs participate.

There are plenty of rules they can punish them for breaking. The fact is the authorities won't do it, through cowardice or through their own greed.
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Yeah exactly think how many convicted terrorists would use the "but I didn't do anything yet" clause for plotting an attack. There are absolutely many cases of people being prosecuted for plotting to commit a crime/break rules.
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Criminal law isn't relevant.

posted on 21/4/21

The biggest loser is Levy

posted on 21/4/21

I think the 6 clubs or individuals should be rewarded :


For bringing the football family together.

For getting the government to intervene and hopefully putting in place some sort of regultary body or law to prevent this type of behaviour from happening again.

For highlighting to everybody just how much Sky managed to start the GREED train in football by raising prices of tickets, prices of kits, and offering subscriptions to watch football meaning thousands of kids can't watch their team live on tv anymore.

and finally for exposing UEFA and FIFA for the true gangsters that they actually are.

Football on the pitch is still a beautiful game at times but off the pitch it is ugly as hell.

posted on 21/4/21

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 46 minutes ago
Pretty much every contract has an exit clause. You can't claim there was no intent just because of that.

The crime analogy is stupid as well. If you sign a contract to commit a criminal activity, they aren't going to let you off because you hadn't yet committed it. The punishment might be less severe, but you will still be trialled. You're clubs are all basically the Tiger King of football.

There is also this UEFA regulation which I missed off:

Article 49
Jurisdiction 1
UEFA shall have the sole jurisdiction to organise or abolish international competitions in Europe in which Member Associations and/or their clubs participate.

There are plenty of rules they can punish them for breaking. The fact is the authorities won't do it, through cowardice or through their own greed.
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Again, what tournament did any clubs participate in?

posted on 21/4/21

comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
Pretty much every contract has an exit clause. You can't claim there was no intent just because of that.

The crime analogy is stupid as well. If you sign a contract to commit a criminal activity, they aren't going to let you off because you hadn't yet committed it. The punishment might be less severe, but you will still be trialled. You're clubs are all basically the Tiger King of football.

There is also this UEFA regulation which I missed off:

Article 49
Jurisdiction 1
UEFA shall have the sole jurisdiction to organise or abolish international competitions in Europe in which Member Associations and/or their clubs participate.

There are plenty of rules they can punish them for breaking. The fact is the authorities won't do it, through cowardice or through their own greed.
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Yeah exactly think how many convicted terrorists would use the "but I didn't do anything yet" clause for plotting an attack. There are absolutely many cases of people being prosecuted for plotting to commit a crime/break rules.
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Yes, because plotting a terrorist attack is an offence within itself. Not only that, but many of the precursors (having weapons, constructing a bomb) are also crimes that people can be charged with even if they don't go through with an attempt.

posted on 21/4/21

levy comes out of this debarcle looking like a right silly caaant

posted on 21/4/21

comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Why isn't the UEFA super cup on that list? Does this mean every PL team that has played in that one off game breached L.9? Or do they get written approval each time they participate?
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Or L.9.6. competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member'

posted on 21/4/21

comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 55 minutes ago
levy comes out of this debarcle looking like a right silly caaant
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So, no change there.

Sorry, couldn't resist...

posted on 21/4/21

If they punish the club's and in turn the fans, the owners will get even more grief and abuse than they are set for now.

News indicating even some of the top execs at some clubs had no idea they'd even agreed to join the league says it all really. The owners need punishment but fines won't work, as the club's income would be used. They need to enforce some sort of ownership requirements to protect fans in the future.

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