Sounds loathsome to me.
Allegiance or death. How successful has this formula proved to be in history?
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sounds loathsome to me.
Allegiance or death. How successful has this formula proved to be in history?
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Apart from making the PL the strongest, most competitve and watched league in the World?
Nothing really.
And rightly so too. English Football isn't about the team at the top of the 92 team pyramid. It's about them all.
We don't need a super league. The PL is already the super league that the rest of Europe is envious of. What we need is parasite owners thrown out.
I stand with the 14 clubs.
English football is just about 92 teams? The top of the pyramid?
Pathetic idea
Separate from us and you will be punished.
If 10 clubs want to go form their own leagues or cups they should have the freedom to do it.
I hope the top 6 push back on this, they can't be forced to sign this. The PL has no power to enforce this. They need the top 6 - they are just hoping that public pressure makes them sign it.
What are they going to do? Relegate the clubs and deduct points and ruin their cash cow? The PL is nothing without the top 6.
It looks like they can be forced to sign the new charter.
The FA and the PL said in their statement that they are in talks with the government to legislate it into law, to give it legal status.
The government seem pretty clear that they support legislative backing of the charter.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 7 minutes ago
English football is just about 92 teams? The top of the pyramid?
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No you're right it's about the rest too. But I was referring to the professional side of it. Semi pro and grass roots are hugely important too. It's all one big family.
while I am not a fan of the ESL (in its current guise at least)
I also hate this idea even more. Imagine being part of an organisation that will punish you for ever leaving. It is almost tyranical if you ask me. If I was a selfish owner of a football club, I will be inclined to use this as an excuse to actually leave and join the ESL
They should keep things the same, ultimately the fans will decide like they did with the ESL.
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pathetic idea
Separate from us and you will be punished.
If 10 clubs want to go form their own leagues or cups they should have the freedom to do it.
I hope the top 6 push back on this, they can't be forced to sign this. The PL has no power to enforce this. They need the top 6 - they are just hoping that public pressure makes them sign it.
What are they going to do? Relegate the clubs and deduct points and ruin their cash cow? The PL is nothing without the top 6.
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Dear me,what an arrogant tw@
comment by LovešGlazers Hate Utd (U1037)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pathetic idea
Separate from us and you will be punished.
If 10 clubs want to go form their own leagues or cups they should have the freedom to do it.
I hope the top 6 push back on this, they can't be forced to sign this. The PL has no power to enforce this. They need the top 6 - they are just hoping that public pressure makes them sign it.
What are they going to do? Relegate the clubs and deduct points and ruin their cash cow? The PL is nothing without the top 6.
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Dear me,what an arrogant tw@
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He's on a WUM. Nobody is this stupid.
Didnt one of the other European leagues propose or implement something similar ?
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by LovešGlazers Hate Utd (U1037)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pathetic idea
Separate from us and you will be punished.
If 10 clubs want to go form their own leagues or cups they should have the freedom to do it.
I hope the top 6 push back on this, they can't be forced to sign this. The PL has no power to enforce this. They need the top 6 - they are just hoping that public pressure makes them sign it.
What are they going to do? Relegate the clubs and deduct points and ruin their cash cow? The PL is nothing without the top 6.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear me,what an arrogant tw@
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He's on a WUM. Nobody is this stupid.
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A short visit to a Utd match thread would make me beg to differ
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 3 minutes ago
while I am not a fan of the ESL (in its current guise at least)
I also hate this idea even more. Imagine being part of an organisation that will punish you for ever leaving. It is almost tyranical if you ask me. If I was a selfish owner of a football club, I will be inclined to use this as an excuse to actually leave and join the ESL
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But we shouldn't leave. Ever. We are Manchester United from Manchester, England. We play in the English football leagues and always should.
This super League idea is nonsense. The PL is already the best league in the world and we have the Champions league as the 'super league'.
My club would have done very well out of the ESL I'm sure but that doesn't make it right.
I don't get this. The ESL clubs didn't want to leave their domestic leagues.
comment by LovešGlazers Hate Utd (U1037)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by LovešGlazers Hate Utd (U1037)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pathetic idea
Separate from us and you will be punished.
If 10 clubs want to go form their own leagues or cups they should have the freedom to do it.
I hope the top 6 push back on this, they can't be forced to sign this. The PL has no power to enforce this. They need the top 6 - they are just hoping that public pressure makes them sign it.
What are they going to do? Relegate the clubs and deduct points and ruin their cash cow? The PL is nothing without the top 6.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear me,what an arrogant tw@
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's on a WUM. Nobody is this stupid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A short visit to a Utd match thread would make me beg to differ
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Or a trip to blue moon forum. Jesus Christ there's some absolute whoppers in that fanbase. That thread on the caf is hilarious right now.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't get this. The ESL clubs didn't want to leave their domestic leagues.
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For now.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 25 seconds ago
I don't get this. The ESL clubs didn't want to leave their domestic leagues.
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They didn't. But they wanted to ensure that hardly anyone else can prosper again as Super league would have been a closed shop for all but 5 extra clubs. That's not fair on any level is it?
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 25 seconds ago
I don't get this. The ESL clubs didn't want to leave their domestic leagues.
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They didn't. But they wanted to ensure that hardly anyone else can prosper again as Super league would have been a closed shop for all but 5 extra clubs. That's not fair on any level is it?
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No it's not. I hated the idea. I just don't see that this will prevent it. It's UEFA that needs to be doing stuff like this to stop it happening.
This is a perfectly reasonable stance. If a club wants to separate itself from the pyramid of football by creating an alternative competition from which other PL clubs are excluded both from equal sporting participation and the associated financial opportunities, then it abdicates the right to the benefits of participating in the pyramid. We can't undermine the integrity of the competition and what remains of the level playing field and expect everyone to shrug their shoulders.
If anyone thinks the 'PL needs us more than we need them' they should be happy enough to exit the domestic league.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
I don't get this. The ESL clubs didn't want to leave their domestic leagues.
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Correct.
The greedy baa stards wanted their cake, and to eat it, too.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 25 seconds ago
I don't get this. The ESL clubs didn't want to leave their domestic leagues.
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They didn't. But they wanted to ensure that hardly anyone else can prosper again as Super league would have been a closed shop for all but 5 extra clubs. That's not fair on any level is it?
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No it's not. I hated the idea. I just don't see that this will prevent it. It's UEFA that needs to be doing stuff like this to stop it happening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This isn't soley just on the owners. They are by far the worst culprits but This is a problem with a million angles.
Wages
Transfer fees
Sky TV / BT
Capitalism
Oil money clubs
Agents greed
Player power
Theres so many things that led to this ESL idea. Elite level Football has got out of control and the bubble will burst. It has to. It's not sustainable.
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posted on 3/5/21
Sounds loathsome to me.
Allegiance or death. How successful has this formula proved to be in history?
posted on 3/5/21
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sounds loathsome to me.
Allegiance or death. How successful has this formula proved to be in history?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apart from making the PL the strongest, most competitve and watched league in the World?
Nothing really.
posted on 3/5/21
And rightly so too. English Football isn't about the team at the top of the 92 team pyramid. It's about them all.
We don't need a super league. The PL is already the super league that the rest of Europe is envious of. What we need is parasite owners thrown out.
I stand with the 14 clubs.
posted on 3/5/21
English football is just about 92 teams? The top of the pyramid?
posted on 3/5/21
Pathetic idea
Separate from us and you will be punished.
If 10 clubs want to go form their own leagues or cups they should have the freedom to do it.
I hope the top 6 push back on this, they can't be forced to sign this. The PL has no power to enforce this. They need the top 6 - they are just hoping that public pressure makes them sign it.
What are they going to do? Relegate the clubs and deduct points and ruin their cash cow? The PL is nothing without the top 6.
posted on 3/5/21
It looks like they can be forced to sign the new charter.
The FA and the PL said in their statement that they are in talks with the government to legislate it into law, to give it legal status.
The government seem pretty clear that they support legislative backing of the charter.
posted on 3/5/21
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 7 minutes ago
English football is just about 92 teams? The top of the pyramid?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No you're right it's about the rest too. But I was referring to the professional side of it. Semi pro and grass roots are hugely important too. It's all one big family.
posted on 3/5/21
while I am not a fan of the ESL (in its current guise at least)
I also hate this idea even more. Imagine being part of an organisation that will punish you for ever leaving. It is almost tyranical if you ask me. If I was a selfish owner of a football club, I will be inclined to use this as an excuse to actually leave and join the ESL
posted on 3/5/21
They should keep things the same, ultimately the fans will decide like they did with the ESL.
posted on 3/5/21
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pathetic idea
Separate from us and you will be punished.
If 10 clubs want to go form their own leagues or cups they should have the freedom to do it.
I hope the top 6 push back on this, they can't be forced to sign this. The PL has no power to enforce this. They need the top 6 - they are just hoping that public pressure makes them sign it.
What are they going to do? Relegate the clubs and deduct points and ruin their cash cow? The PL is nothing without the top 6.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear me,what an arrogant tw@
posted on 3/5/21
comment by LovešGlazers Hate Utd (U1037)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pathetic idea
Separate from us and you will be punished.
If 10 clubs want to go form their own leagues or cups they should have the freedom to do it.
I hope the top 6 push back on this, they can't be forced to sign this. The PL has no power to enforce this. They need the top 6 - they are just hoping that public pressure makes them sign it.
What are they going to do? Relegate the clubs and deduct points and ruin their cash cow? The PL is nothing without the top 6.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear me,what an arrogant tw@
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's on a WUM. Nobody is this stupid.
posted on 3/5/21
Good news.
posted on 3/5/21
Didnt one of the other European leagues propose or implement something similar ?
posted on 3/5/21
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by LovešGlazers Hate Utd (U1037)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pathetic idea
Separate from us and you will be punished.
If 10 clubs want to go form their own leagues or cups they should have the freedom to do it.
I hope the top 6 push back on this, they can't be forced to sign this. The PL has no power to enforce this. They need the top 6 - they are just hoping that public pressure makes them sign it.
What are they going to do? Relegate the clubs and deduct points and ruin their cash cow? The PL is nothing without the top 6.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear me,what an arrogant tw@
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's on a WUM. Nobody is this stupid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A short visit to a Utd match thread would make me beg to differ
posted on 3/5/21
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 3 minutes ago
while I am not a fan of the ESL (in its current guise at least)
I also hate this idea even more. Imagine being part of an organisation that will punish you for ever leaving. It is almost tyranical if you ask me. If I was a selfish owner of a football club, I will be inclined to use this as an excuse to actually leave and join the ESL
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we shouldn't leave. Ever. We are Manchester United from Manchester, England. We play in the English football leagues and always should.
This super League idea is nonsense. The PL is already the best league in the world and we have the Champions league as the 'super league'.
My club would have done very well out of the ESL I'm sure but that doesn't make it right.
posted on 3/5/21
I don't get this. The ESL clubs didn't want to leave their domestic leagues.
posted on 3/5/21
Good.
posted on 3/5/21
comment by LovešGlazers Hate Utd (U1037)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by LovešGlazers Hate Utd (U1037)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pathetic idea
Separate from us and you will be punished.
If 10 clubs want to go form their own leagues or cups they should have the freedom to do it.
I hope the top 6 push back on this, they can't be forced to sign this. The PL has no power to enforce this. They need the top 6 - they are just hoping that public pressure makes them sign it.
What are they going to do? Relegate the clubs and deduct points and ruin their cash cow? The PL is nothing without the top 6.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear me,what an arrogant tw@
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's on a WUM. Nobody is this stupid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A short visit to a Utd match thread would make me beg to differ
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Or a trip to blue moon forum. Jesus Christ there's some absolute whoppers in that fanbase. That thread on the caf is hilarious right now.
posted on 3/5/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't get this. The ESL clubs didn't want to leave their domestic leagues.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For now.
posted on 3/5/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 25 seconds ago
I don't get this. The ESL clubs didn't want to leave their domestic leagues.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They didn't. But they wanted to ensure that hardly anyone else can prosper again as Super league would have been a closed shop for all but 5 extra clubs. That's not fair on any level is it?
posted on 3/5/21
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 25 seconds ago
I don't get this. The ESL clubs didn't want to leave their domestic leagues.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They didn't. But they wanted to ensure that hardly anyone else can prosper again as Super league would have been a closed shop for all but 5 extra clubs. That's not fair on any level is it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No it's not. I hated the idea. I just don't see that this will prevent it. It's UEFA that needs to be doing stuff like this to stop it happening.
posted on 3/5/21
This is a perfectly reasonable stance. If a club wants to separate itself from the pyramid of football by creating an alternative competition from which other PL clubs are excluded both from equal sporting participation and the associated financial opportunities, then it abdicates the right to the benefits of participating in the pyramid. We can't undermine the integrity of the competition and what remains of the level playing field and expect everyone to shrug their shoulders.
If anyone thinks the 'PL needs us more than we need them' they should be happy enough to exit the domestic league.
posted on 3/5/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
I don't get this. The ESL clubs didn't want to leave their domestic leagues.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct.
The greedy baa stards wanted their cake, and to eat it, too.
posted on 3/5/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 25 seconds ago
I don't get this. The ESL clubs didn't want to leave their domestic leagues.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They didn't. But they wanted to ensure that hardly anyone else can prosper again as Super league would have been a closed shop for all but 5 extra clubs. That's not fair on any level is it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No it's not. I hated the idea. I just don't see that this will prevent it. It's UEFA that needs to be doing stuff like this to stop it happening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This isn't soley just on the owners. They are by far the worst culprits but This is a problem with a million angles.
Wages
Transfer fees
Sky TV / BT
Capitalism
Oil money clubs
Agents greed
Player power
Theres so many things that led to this ESL idea. Elite level Football has got out of control and the bubble will burst. It has to. It's not sustainable.
posted on 3/5/21
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