comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 5 minutes ago
And STILL they'll be desperately trying to allow as much international travel as possible with no quarantine while keeping as much as possible locked down domestically because it's the Brazil variant or it's the India variant or it's the fvcking Algarve variant. It's fvcking nuts. Bloody Australians have been partying it up all year and we just don't learn.
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And this will account for the Kent variant how?

I wasn't happy when I never left level 3 last year whilst Edinburgh and midlothian was pretty much open for all. If I was in Glasgow I'd probably be even more fuming now.

comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Call Sign: Going For 55 Predictor Titles (U3627)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's an absolute disgrace

I agreed with and followed the restrictions but now its a shambles. There is nothing about the stats now that would justify going into a lockdown never mind staying in one
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Personally I just wonder how much data would have changed in a week since the election and how much its isolated to Glasgow and the West.
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And how much it will change in the next week that will allow opening then? How can any business plan when they are given a fairly hard and fast date to have it taken away with less than an hours notice in a working week? And then believe it’ll be ok in 7 days time?

Utter madness.

It’s a never ending cycle. Just change the rules of the game is all.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 5 minutes ago
And STILL they'll be desperately trying to allow as much international travel as possible with no quarantine while keeping as much as possible locked down domestically because it's the Brazil variant or it's the India variant or it's the fvcking Algarve variant. It's fvcking nuts. Bloody Australians have been partying it up all year and we just don't learn.
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And this will account for the Kent variant how?
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It's just step overs and stuff. I remember getting told he's a panic but poor man's paddy Roberts.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 5 minutes ago
And STILL they'll be desperately trying to allow as much international travel as possible with no quarantine while keeping as much as possible locked down domestically because it's the Brazil variant or it's the India variant or it's the fvcking Algarve variant. It's fvcking nuts. Bloody Australians have been partying it up all year and we just don't learn.
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And this will account for the Kent variant how?
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Did I mention the Kent variant?

But since you asked, if it wasn't obvious enough already, the Kent variant evolved from a previous strain which was, surprisingly enough, brought in by international travel.

comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 5 minutes ago
And STILL they'll be desperately trying to allow as much international travel as possible with no quarantine while keeping as much as possible locked down domestically because it's the Brazil variant or it's the India variant or it's the fvcking Algarve variant. It's fvcking nuts. Bloody Australians have been partying it up all year and we just don't learn.
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And this will account for the Kent variant how?
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It's just step overs and stuff. I remember getting told he's a panic but poor man's paddy Roberts.
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Haha. Very good

comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 5 minutes ago
And STILL they'll be desperately trying to allow as much international travel as possible with no quarantine while keeping as much as possible locked down domestically because it's the Brazil variant or it's the India variant or it's the fvcking Algarve variant. It's fvcking nuts. Bloody Australians have been partying it up all year and we just don't learn.
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And this will account for the Kent variant how?
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Did I mention the Kent variant?

But since you asked, if it wasn't obvious enough already, the Kent variant evolved from a previous strain which was, surprisingly enough, brought in by international travel.
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Indeed you didn’t. You studiously ignored it.

So tell us. From what strain, country or whatever did the Kent variant come from?

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Call Sign: Going For 55 Predictor Titles (U3627)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's an absolute disgrace

I agreed with and followed the restrictions but now its a shambles. There is nothing about the stats now that would justify going into a lockdown never mind staying in one
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Personally I just wonder how much data would have changed in a week since the election and how much its isolated to Glasgow and the West.
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And how much it will change in the next week that will allow opening then? How can any business plan when they are given a fairly hard and fast date to have it taken away with less than an hours notice in a working week? And then believe it’ll be ok in 7 days time?

Utter madness.

It’s a never ending cycle. Just change the rules of the game is all.
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Agreed. That's my point exactly.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that we're becoming an over protective mother state. I get we needed to make sacrifices and we did all change our ways.

We're seeing threats and multiplying them by worst case scenarios and using this as basis to close. It's become bonkers

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 5 minutes ago
And STILL they'll be desperately trying to allow as much international travel as possible with no quarantine while keeping as much as possible locked down domestically because it's the Brazil variant or it's the India variant or it's the fvcking Algarve variant. It's fvcking nuts. Bloody Australians have been partying it up all year and we just don't learn.
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And this will account for the Kent variant how?
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Did I mention the Kent variant?

But since you asked, if it wasn't obvious enough already, the Kent variant evolved from a previous strain which was, surprisingly enough, brought in by international travel.
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Indeed you didn’t. You studiously ignored it.

So tell us. From what strain, country or whatever did the Kent variant come from?
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I’ll save you the bother. Every single study suggests with evidence that the Kent variant was first discovered and believed to have evolved in, erm; Kent or nearby.

comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Call Sign: Going For 55 Predictor Titles (U3627)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's an absolute disgrace

I agreed with and followed the restrictions but now its a shambles. There is nothing about the stats now that would justify going into a lockdown never mind staying in one
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Personally I just wonder how much data would have changed in a week since the election and how much its isolated to Glasgow and the West.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

And how much it will change in the next week that will allow opening then? How can any business plan when they are given a fairly hard and fast date to have it taken away with less than an hours notice in a working week? And then believe it’ll be ok in 7 days time?

Utter madness.

It’s a never ending cycle. Just change the rules of the game is all.
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Agreed. That's my point exactly.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that we're becoming an over protective mother state. I get we needed to make sacrifices and we did all change our ways.

We're seeing threats and multiplying them by worst case scenarios and using this as basis to close. It's become bonkers
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With not one single model or projection ever reaching mid case and far less worse case scenarios.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 5 minutes ago
And STILL they'll be desperately trying to allow as much international travel as possible with no quarantine while keeping as much as possible locked down domestically because it's the Brazil variant or it's the India variant or it's the fvcking Algarve variant. It's fvcking nuts. Bloody Australians have been partying it up all year and we just don't learn.
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And this will account for the Kent variant how?
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Did I mention the Kent variant?

But since you asked, if it wasn't obvious enough already, the Kent variant evolved from a previous strain which was, surprisingly enough, brought in by international travel.
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Indeed you didn’t. You studiously ignored it.

So tell us. From what strain, country or whatever did the Kent variant come from?
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I’ll save you the bother. Every single study suggests with evidence that the Kent variant was first discovered and believed to have evolved in, erm; Kent or nearby.


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And taking the absurd simplicity of your reply, every single case throughout the planet started in Wuhan.

Amazing

We should have closed China.

vaccinations are the end game, we have literally done all we can in the general public.

the issues are where they have always been, with looking outward and going "indias a bit messy, hope that doesnt come here"

then allowing a hunner flights a week in, its been 15 months of that exact same mistake. its fvcking moronic quite frankly.

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 26 seconds ago
vaccinations are the end game, we have literally done all we can in the general public.

the issues are where they have always been, with looking outward and going "indias a bit messy, hope that doesnt come here"

then allowing a hunner flights a week in, its been 15 months of that exact same mistake. its fvcking moronic quite frankly.
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In hindsight we could and should have closed borders to certain countries earlier. Like a leak, water will find a way through and we are an “open” country

We could level the same accusation against most of the world. We are now where we are and whilst I rail against these restrictions I’d be far more understanding if they were on consistent message and made sense.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 5 minutes ago
And STILL they'll be desperately trying to allow as much international travel as possible with no quarantine while keeping as much as possible locked down domestically because it's the Brazil variant or it's the India variant or it's the fvcking Algarve variant. It's fvcking nuts. Bloody Australians have been partying it up all year and we just don't learn.
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And this will account for the Kent variant how?
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Did I mention the Kent variant?

But since you asked, if it wasn't obvious enough already, the Kent variant evolved from a previous strain which was, surprisingly enough, brought in by international travel.
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Indeed you didn’t. You studiously ignored it.

So tell us. From what strain, country or whatever did the Kent variant come from?
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I’ll save you the bother. Every single study suggests with evidence that the Kent variant was first discovered and believed to have evolved in, erm; Kent or nearby.


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And taking the absurd simplicity of your reply, every single case throughout the planet started in Wuhan.

Amazing
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So in this conversation you're now just having with yourself are you honestly trying to convince yourself that international travel isn't a major contributor to the spread of the virus?

comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 5 minutes ago
And STILL they'll be desperately trying to allow as much international travel as possible with no quarantine while keeping as much as possible locked down domestically because it's the Brazil variant or it's the India variant or it's the fvcking Algarve variant. It's fvcking nuts. Bloody Australians have been partying it up all year and we just don't learn.
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And this will account for the Kent variant how?
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Did I mention the Kent variant?

But since you asked, if it wasn't obvious enough already, the Kent variant evolved from a previous strain which was, surprisingly enough, brought in by international travel.
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Indeed you didn’t. You studiously ignored it.

So tell us. From what strain, country or whatever did the Kent variant come from?
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I’ll save you the bother. Every single study suggests with evidence that the Kent variant was first discovered and believed to have evolved in, erm; Kent or nearby.


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And taking the absurd simplicity of your reply, every single case throughout the planet started in Wuhan.

Amazing
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So in this conversation you're now just having with yourself are you honestly trying to convince yourself that international travel isn't a major contributor to the spread of the virus?
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In your own words I never said it wasn’t. Pretty obvious bearing in mind every case or variant on the planet started from Wuhan isn’t it?

Care to let us all know from which country the Kent variant “obviously” came from?

I’ll leave you to it. I don’t have enough time, far less the inclination to argue a moot point with someone who sees my user name and uses just that to barge in trying and failing in equal measure to argue a point and be again proved wrong.

So use the free space and tell us where the Kent variant “obviously” came from. Then use the extra time while I get some sleep to point out where I said international travel wasn’t a factor.

Have fun.

comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 5 minutes ago
And STILL they'll be desperately trying to allow as much international travel as possible with no quarantine while keeping as much as possible locked down domestically because it's the Brazil variant or it's the India variant or it's the fvcking Algarve variant. It's fvcking nuts. Bloody Australians have been partying it up all year and we just don't learn.
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And this will account for the Kent variant how?
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Did I mention the Kent variant?

But since you asked, if it wasn't obvious enough already, the Kent variant evolved from a previous strain which was, surprisingly enough, brought in by international travel.
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Indeed you didn’t. You studiously ignored it.

So tell us. From what strain, country or whatever did the Kent variant come from?
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I’ll save you the bother. Every single study suggests with evidence that the Kent variant was first discovered and believed to have evolved in, erm; Kent or nearby.


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And taking the absurd simplicity of your reply, every single case throughout the planet started in Wuhan.

Amazing
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So in this conversation you're now just having with yourself are you honestly trying to convince yourself that international travel isn't a major contributor to the spread of the virus?
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I'm not sure variants can be stopped simply by halting international travel. You can make it less likely but I'm not an immunologist etc can confirm that would eliminate the risk of a variant or even multiple variants arising on anybodys shores.

You're the one who replied to me first here... With a comment about the Kent variant completely irrelevant to the point I was making. And you're saying I saw your username and came in looking to argue?

Again, since you asked, from memory, the best theories seemed to be that the Kent variant underwent numerous mutations within an immunosuppressed person before making the leap and spreading, and it was *probably* evolved from the Italian variant or a derivative thereof. But again, completely irrelevant to the point I was making, as you're well aware.

comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 5 minutes ago
And STILL they'll be desperately trying to allow as much international travel as possible with no quarantine while keeping as much as possible locked down domestically because it's the Brazil variant or it's the India variant or it's the fvcking Algarve variant. It's fvcking nuts. Bloody Australians have been partying it up all year and we just don't learn.
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And this will account for the Kent variant how?
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Did I mention the Kent variant?

But since you asked, if it wasn't obvious enough already, the Kent variant evolved from a previous strain which was, surprisingly enough, brought in by international travel.
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Indeed you didn’t. You studiously ignored it.

So tell us. From what strain, country or whatever did the Kent variant come from?
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I’ll save you the bother. Every single study suggests with evidence that the Kent variant was first discovered and believed to have evolved in, erm; Kent or nearby.


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And taking the absurd simplicity of your reply, every single case throughout the planet started in Wuhan.

Amazing
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So in this conversation you're now just having with yourself are you honestly trying to convince yourself that international travel isn't a major contributor to the spread of the virus?
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I'm not sure variants can be stopped simply by halting international travel. You can make it less likely but I'm not an immunologist etc can confirm that would eliminate the risk of a variant or even multiple variants arising on anybodys shores.
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Don’t worry-none of us Celtic fans were accountants until a few years ago.

The move from corporate law was a logical ndcf step I suppose

Logical next.

You'd almost think I'm drinking here

comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 10 minutes ago
Logical next.

You'd almost think I'm drinking here
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Just watch she doesn’t try to take advantage of you while you’re pi5hed.

I leave my doors unlocked and still wake up not violated. It's my curse

Just back in from Miller's

He was asleep when I got there and asleep when I left