our mfs got injured too, hendo and fab both had injuries this season and missed games so has thiago missed most the first half of it didnt he? Don't even get me started on Keita.
Hindsight.
He might also have ruined both williams and philips by playing them together from the start. Philips in particular has grown through experience of playing beside senior pros like fab hendo.
Yes..I think he made an error but show me one manager that hasn't. If I am correct didn't pep move fernandinho into defence last season when they had CB injuries and that backfired too.
Klopp has learnt...that's the biggest improvement.
You're about where you should be. Your forwards had an unbelievable two or three years, fair play, but once they went back to their level this is where you are.
It was a mistake. So many were asking for Fab and Hendo to move back to midfield.
Most managers wouldn't have given them the chance in the first place.
He probably did make a mistake. But tbh it mostly because Fabinho is so good and it was difficult to see where he plugged obvious gaps most. Did he get it wrong? Probably. But it was hard to know where was best to plug that leak and he seems to have got it right in the end.
Top managers are defined by their mistakes. It might seem harsh but that's the world they're in. From an outside perspective, you've got a grate manager but not without his faults.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 hours, 7 minutes ago
Most managers wouldn't have given them the chance in the first place.
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This should be the end of it. It can't be a mistaken when most managers would never do it.
Also, the OP is based on the recent game where we conceded two goals and needed to score at least 3 to win. That's not sustainable and you can't say Phillips and Williams are competent as a pair.
Has OP analysed our games and seen how we performed in games with them at CB as opposed to games we didn't? I don't think so.
The declaration that these two are competent as a pair at this time sounds like hogwash to me. It only looks like that because of Klopp.
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Fckthglzrs (U1270)
posted 5 hours, 58 minutes ago
You're about where you should be. Your forwards had an unbelievable two or three years, fair play, but once they went back to their level this is where you are.
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Nice try.
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Fckthglzrs (U1270)
posted 5 hours, 58 minutes ago
You're about where you should be. Your forwards had an unbelievable two or three years, fair play, but once they went back to their level this is where you are.
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Nice try.
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There is no harm in trying but this was just a pathetic attempt really.
I just don't get this. As others have pointed out, both have gained a huge amount of experience next to a better defender before being lobbed in together. If we had done this back in December/January I think we could have crushed the pair or them (especially reece). For me, Klopp has made the right calls overall. Does anyone really think many other teams would be within touching distance of 4th with the defensive injuries we have had (ignoring the midfield ones even). Get Phillipe Sandler in that city team for a run of games and see how they get on.
I don't think he made a mistake no. Williams played well in some games but he's very young and began making mistakes and needed protection. Phillips is average but perhaps he could have been used more as he has had several good games. Fabinho has done a great job in defence and Henderson certainly didn't let anyone down when he played there either.
Our issues were more in attack with the amount of missed chances. Of course all the injuries had an impact on all the players, confidence etc but I don't think moving Fabinho back into defence which was the plan for him anyhow as fourth choice, having brought Thiago in, was the issue.
Our issues were more in attack with the amount of missed chances. Of course all the injuries had an impact on all the players, confidence etc but I don't think moving Fabinho back into defence which was the plan for him anyhow as fourth choice, having brought Thiago in, was the issue.
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I agree with this, it’s more a case of the senior players just not turning up.
When you get TAA playing the way he did in the last game and Firmino finally playing to his potential the whole atmosphere changes.
I’m hugely disappointed that so many players haven’t risen to the challenge of defending the title. We depend on too few players to bring a bit of backbone to the team. That’s the issue Klopp needs to address....
Imagine if Klopp did play them, they made a mistake and were then replaced by midfielders in their position.
That would have been utterly soul destroying for them. Nat Philips is the better of the two for sure.
Williams was playing in the conference North and Phillips in Germany's second tier.
I think there are very few managers who would have even considered bringing them into the first team. Williams struggked and was dropped but looks like he's been helped to bulk up a bit and is much improved the kast two games.
All very good management.
Kloppo is second to none when it comes to wringing potential out of the proverbial stone.
For a sell to buy club we have achieved incredible success.
Philips would comfortably go for 10-12m
The biggest gripe was qhen kabak and philipa were available but he still kept on playing fab in defence. That was werw kept on losong by the one goal. Theb as soon as he put fab back in.midfield the results improved.
We weakened too many areas of the pitch made worse with the stikers hitting bad form.
But i think he has already learnt. To play williams at cb at OT took balls. Hell even i wanted fab pur back in cb against them.
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 21 minutes ago
Philips would comfortably go for 10-12m
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Need to keep this guy. Someone who is reliable and maybe happy to play as cover
Will save us good money
Klopp is the best manager Liverpool have had in the last 40 years, I’d go as far as saying he’s better than Dalgleish
What he achieved at Liverpool over the past 5 years is nothing has been incredible - He’s the best manager the Premier League have had in years - not just talking about success, I’m taking about temperament, character and charisma
Ferguson was outstanding, but a miserable sod
Pep is the all round package, and is put Klopp alongside him
Don't think he made a mistake in not starting Williams as he's still very raw, but do think he should have trusted Phillips sooner.
There's quite a few games in December and Jan that we drew 1-1 or lost 1-0 and he was on the bench.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 7 minutes ago
Don't think he made a mistake in not starting Williams as he's still very raw, but do think he should have trusted Phillips sooner.
There's quite a few games in December and Jan that we drew 1-1 or lost 1-0 and he was on the bench.
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Conceding a single goal is par for the course. Scoring 0-1 goal means you rarely win games.
The problem in those games was obviously in attack, not defence.
no, imo klopp got it right. the injuries were just too much to cope with. to me the bigger problem was mane's and firmino's goals drying up.
Very easy to sit here with hindsight and say he shouldve done this that or next thing. If he had played them 2 and we were in a similar situation wed all be screaming "why hasnt he mov3d fabinho back into defence".
Without looking i think our defensive record is in the top 3 or 4 in the league. We have wasted numerous chances at the other end of the field game after game and that has cost us. As I've said repeatedly on threads i dont know what klopp can do about that when world class forward players all of a sudden cant finish their dinners.
Phillps and williams have done ok together but have also made mistakes and been caught out. If they had played more often together I suspect that trend wouldve continued
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posted on 14/5/21
our mfs got injured too, hendo and fab both had injuries this season and missed games so has thiago missed most the first half of it didnt he? Don't even get me started on Keita.
posted on 14/5/21
Hindsight.
He might also have ruined both williams and philips by playing them together from the start. Philips in particular has grown through experience of playing beside senior pros like fab hendo.
posted on 14/5/21
Yes..I think he made an error but show me one manager that hasn't. If I am correct didn't pep move fernandinho into defence last season when they had CB injuries and that backfired too.
Klopp has learnt...that's the biggest improvement.
posted on 14/5/21
You're about where you should be. Your forwards had an unbelievable two or three years, fair play, but once they went back to their level this is where you are.
posted on 15/5/21
It was a mistake. So many were asking for Fab and Hendo to move back to midfield.
posted on 15/5/21
Most managers wouldn't have given them the chance in the first place.
posted on 15/5/21
He probably did make a mistake. But tbh it mostly because Fabinho is so good and it was difficult to see where he plugged obvious gaps most. Did he get it wrong? Probably. But it was hard to know where was best to plug that leak and he seems to have got it right in the end.
posted on 15/5/21
Top managers are defined by their mistakes. It might seem harsh but that's the world they're in. From an outside perspective, you've got a grate manager but not without his faults.
posted on 15/5/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 hours, 7 minutes ago
Most managers wouldn't have given them the chance in the first place.
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This should be the end of it. It can't be a mistaken when most managers would never do it.
Also, the OP is based on the recent game where we conceded two goals and needed to score at least 3 to win. That's not sustainable and you can't say Phillips and Williams are competent as a pair.
Has OP analysed our games and seen how we performed in games with them at CB as opposed to games we didn't? I don't think so.
The declaration that these two are competent as a pair at this time sounds like hogwash to me. It only looks like that because of Klopp.
posted on 15/5/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Fckthglzrs (U1270)
posted 5 hours, 58 minutes ago
You're about where you should be. Your forwards had an unbelievable two or three years, fair play, but once they went back to their level this is where you are.
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Nice try.
posted on 15/5/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Fckthglzrs (U1270)
posted 5 hours, 58 minutes ago
You're about where you should be. Your forwards had an unbelievable two or three years, fair play, but once they went back to their level this is where you are.
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Nice try.
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There is no harm in trying but this was just a pathetic attempt really.
posted on 15/5/21
I just don't get this. As others have pointed out, both have gained a huge amount of experience next to a better defender before being lobbed in together. If we had done this back in December/January I think we could have crushed the pair or them (especially reece). For me, Klopp has made the right calls overall. Does anyone really think many other teams would be within touching distance of 4th with the defensive injuries we have had (ignoring the midfield ones even). Get Phillipe Sandler in that city team for a run of games and see how they get on.
posted on 15/5/21
I don't think he made a mistake no. Williams played well in some games but he's very young and began making mistakes and needed protection. Phillips is average but perhaps he could have been used more as he has had several good games. Fabinho has done a great job in defence and Henderson certainly didn't let anyone down when he played there either.
Our issues were more in attack with the amount of missed chances. Of course all the injuries had an impact on all the players, confidence etc but I don't think moving Fabinho back into defence which was the plan for him anyhow as fourth choice, having brought Thiago in, was the issue.
posted on 15/5/21
Our issues were more in attack with the amount of missed chances. Of course all the injuries had an impact on all the players, confidence etc but I don't think moving Fabinho back into defence which was the plan for him anyhow as fourth choice, having brought Thiago in, was the issue.
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I agree with this, it’s more a case of the senior players just not turning up.
When you get TAA playing the way he did in the last game and Firmino finally playing to his potential the whole atmosphere changes.
I’m hugely disappointed that so many players haven’t risen to the challenge of defending the title. We depend on too few players to bring a bit of backbone to the team. That’s the issue Klopp needs to address....
posted on 15/5/21
Imagine if Klopp did play them, they made a mistake and were then replaced by midfielders in their position.
That would have been utterly soul destroying for them. Nat Philips is the better of the two for sure.
posted on 15/5/21
Williams was playing in the conference North and Phillips in Germany's second tier.
I think there are very few managers who would have even considered bringing them into the first team. Williams struggked and was dropped but looks like he's been helped to bulk up a bit and is much improved the kast two games.
All very good management.
posted on 15/5/21
Kloppo is second to none when it comes to wringing potential out of the proverbial stone.
For a sell to buy club we have achieved incredible success.
posted on 15/5/21
Philips would comfortably go for 10-12m
posted on 15/5/21
The biggest gripe was qhen kabak and philipa were available but he still kept on playing fab in defence. That was werw kept on losong by the one goal. Theb as soon as he put fab back in.midfield the results improved.
We weakened too many areas of the pitch made worse with the stikers hitting bad form.
But i think he has already learnt. To play williams at cb at OT took balls. Hell even i wanted fab pur back in cb against them.
posted on 15/5/21
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 21 minutes ago
Philips would comfortably go for 10-12m
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Need to keep this guy. Someone who is reliable and maybe happy to play as cover
Will save us good money
posted on 15/5/21
Klopp is the best manager Liverpool have had in the last 40 years, I’d go as far as saying he’s better than Dalgleish
What he achieved at Liverpool over the past 5 years is nothing has been incredible - He’s the best manager the Premier League have had in years - not just talking about success, I’m taking about temperament, character and charisma
Ferguson was outstanding, but a miserable sod
Pep is the all round package, and is put Klopp alongside him
posted on 15/5/21
Don't think he made a mistake in not starting Williams as he's still very raw, but do think he should have trusted Phillips sooner.
There's quite a few games in December and Jan that we drew 1-1 or lost 1-0 and he was on the bench.
posted on 15/5/21
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 7 minutes ago
Don't think he made a mistake in not starting Williams as he's still very raw, but do think he should have trusted Phillips sooner.
There's quite a few games in December and Jan that we drew 1-1 or lost 1-0 and he was on the bench.
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Conceding a single goal is par for the course. Scoring 0-1 goal means you rarely win games.
The problem in those games was obviously in attack, not defence.
posted on 15/5/21
no, imo klopp got it right. the injuries were just too much to cope with. to me the bigger problem was mane's and firmino's goals drying up.
posted on 15/5/21
Very easy to sit here with hindsight and say he shouldve done this that or next thing. If he had played them 2 and we were in a similar situation wed all be screaming "why hasnt he mov3d fabinho back into defence".
Without looking i think our defensive record is in the top 3 or 4 in the league. We have wasted numerous chances at the other end of the field game after game and that has cost us. As I've said repeatedly on threads i dont know what klopp can do about that when world class forward players all of a sudden cant finish their dinners.
Phillps and williams have done ok together but have also made mistakes and been caught out. If they had played more often together I suspect that trend wouldve continued
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