and the original Premier League clubs certainly didn't form the Football League (which was founded in 1888). In fact they withdrew from it.
As for "it's all about the sustainability of football", that's such bulls***. The 12 clubs can make their arguments for the ESL, but it takes world class levels of gullibility to believe they were motivated by the interests of the sport as a whole. The Glazers have been fairly open about their motives, which are to grow Manchester United to a business worth $10 billion, something they can't achieve without eliminating the risks inherent in a fair playing field.
The ESL may well have generated more absolute revenue than the CL. It would certainly generate more for the permanent members. I struggle to see how it would benefit the clubs that are excluded from the competition, and those continuing to play in the other competitions which are devalued by the breakaway. Perhaps it is believed that the ESL clubs intended to redistribute an astonishing proportion of the extra revenue they generated, after freeing themselves from the regulatory structures that currently share money around the sport. If anyone does believe that, perhaps they can explain why these top clubs have been lobbying UEFA to restructure elite competitions to increase the revenues of those top clubs.
Football does not matter enough in the grand scheme of things to have a facking independent regulator.
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
and the original Premier League clubs certainly didn't form the Football League (which was founded in 1888). In fact they withdrew from it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In fairness it was by agreement after 2 years negotiation with the FA involved.
the FA however had their own agenda at the time which gave them the ability to lord it over the football league and wrest some control back.
the reality is it was only after everything was agreed that the 22 clubs then "resigned" from the football league and to this day every promoted and relegated teams has to go through a little process by which the clubs are moved between the two structures.
the premier league accepts the promoted club to the 20 and the other has to resign and to the football league.
anyway, the football pyramid is more than just the top 4 divisions.
theres a top organisation, a 3 league organisation and then national leagues below that etc etc.
the theory of football is a club could be founded tomorrow apply to the lowest league and work its way up the various structures to the premier league. If you have a billion or so spare i'm sure you could do it no problem.
The ESL would have locked that club out of the top european level ,thats all.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 34 seconds ago
We welcome the fan-led Government review of the game and hope it leads to lasting change on an array of important concerns; including co-ordinated strategies to deal with racism, supporters’ representation within clubs, LGBTQ issues, ticket costs and the distribution of income. All of those aims can be realised if we take decisive action now.
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All lead by one of the most racist, homophobic, corrupt, 'sort my rich mates out' governments we've ever had. I have NO faith in any of that.....sorry
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True, Joel Glazer and Stan Kronke would have Bojo's number on speed dial.
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Didn't your owners want to join?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 34 seconds ago
We welcome the fan-led Government review of the game and hope it leads to lasting change on an array of important concerns; including co-ordinated strategies to deal with racism, supporters’ representation within clubs, LGBTQ issues, ticket costs and the distribution of income. All of those aims can be realised if we take decisive action now.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
All lead by one of the most racist, homophobic, corrupt, 'sort my rich mates out' governments we've ever had. I have NO faith in any of that.....sorry
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True, Joel Glazer and Stan Kronke would have Bojo's number on speed dial.
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Didn't your owners want to join?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Last in, first out. Still embarrassing though and I’ll informed
RR has said, eloquently, everything I would have said. And all I believe needs to be said.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by TheSpecialWUM (U9028)
posted 1 minute ago
"the £350m a year competition was to replace the £100m a year you get if you WIN the CL, nothing else. "
You really believe that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That was literally the proposal, Please, feel free to actually read it.
All they were withdrawing from was UEFA, who cream insane amounts of money off the top of these clubs.
An extremely corrupt organisation, that were fighting to protect themselves, not football.
The plans werent perfect by any means, But i understand the need for a consistent product, and i understand why the owners of the clubs needed the guaranteed incomes to boost their squad sizes and depth as much as they would have needed to.
The amount of people who didnt even read the proposal but are so vehementley against it staggers me.
It was no different to the top 20 clubs in england taking their ball away from the FA pyramid to form the football league, and Uefa were quite happy to watch the English FA get it stuck to them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
And wit a 'product' that takes all the emotion out of the sport.
I say sport in the same way à circus gymnast is selling sport.
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
and the original Premier League clubs certainly didn't form the Football League (which was founded in 1888). In fact they withdrew from it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In fairness it was by agreement after 2 years negotiation with the FA involved.
the FA however had their own agenda at the time which gave them the ability to lord it over the football league and wrest some control back.
the reality is it was only after everything was agreed that the 22 clubs then "resigned" from the football league and to this day every promoted and relegated teams has to go through a little process by which the clubs are moved between the two structures.
the premier league accepts the promoted club to the 20 and the other has to resign and to the football league.
anyway, the football pyramid is more than just the top 4 divisions.
theres a top organisation, a 3 league organisation and then national leagues below that etc etc.
the theory of football is a club could be founded tomorrow apply to the lowest league and work its way up the various structures to the premier league. If you have a billion or so spare i'm sure you could do it no problem.
The ESL would have locked that club out of the top european level ,thats all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
unbelievable
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 27 minutes ago
Football does not matter enough in the grand scheme of things to have a facking independent regulator.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I does in England. Many communities are identified and bonded within history with their indigenous football and rugby clubs with heritage that goes back over 100 years to the days of Victorian industrialisation and the toil of it's workforce.
You would have to be a philistine to ignore this.
the theory of football is a club could be founded tomorrow apply to the lowest league and work its way up the various structures to the premier league. If you have a billion or so spare i'm sure you could do it no problem.
The ESL would have locked that club out of the top european level ,thats all.
----------------------------------------------------------
Not just that club, but any club that manages to overcome the financial disadvantages of their position and, through hard work and clever strategy, outperform the most valuable clubs. Leicester are the most recent example, but throughout the years of the PL there have been various clubs outside the 'Big 6' that have finished in the CL places, and many times that the so-called Big 6 have failed to do so.
the theory of football is a club could be founded tomorrow apply to the lowest league and work its way up the various structures to the premier league. If you have a billion or so spare i'm sure you could do it no problem.
____
If you had Roy Of The Rovers in your team you might be able to.
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a fact of life, and that won't change.
Football is no different, it's just that people didn't like what they heard and now getting rich/richer is suddenly a bad thing because football is so sacred...nah, EVERYTHING has a price...even our beloved football game.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 41 seconds ago
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a fact of life, and that won't change.
Football is no different, it's just that people didn't like what they heard and now getting rich/richer is suddenly a bad thing because football is so sacred...nah, EVERYTHING has a price...even our beloved football game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Greed is a bad thing, yes.
But you know that already. Your mummy must have told you so when you were young(er)
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 41 seconds ago
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a fact of life, and that won't change.
Football is no different, it's just that people didn't like what they heard and now getting rich/richer is suddenly a bad thing because football is so sacred...nah, EVERYTHING has a price...even our beloved football game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Greed is a bad thing, yes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not what we're taught/shown at all though is it.. in fact quite the opposite...unless it has to do with changing football...then greed is bad.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 41 seconds ago
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a fact of life, and that won't change.
Football is no different, it's just that people didn't like what they heard and now getting rich/richer is suddenly a bad thing because football is so sacred...nah, EVERYTHING has a price...even our beloved football game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Greed is a bad thing, yes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not what we're taught/shown at all though is it.. in fact quite the opposite...unless it has to do with changing football...then greed is bad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it is what I was taught. Greed is always bad. If we cant agree on this then there is no point in continuing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 41 seconds ago
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a fact of life, and that won't change.
Football is no different, it's just that people didn't like what they heard and now getting rich/richer is suddenly a bad thing because football is so sacred...nah, EVERYTHING has a price...even our beloved football game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Greed is a bad thing, yes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not what we're taught/shown at all though is it.. in fact quite the opposite...unless it has to do with changing football...then greed is bad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it is what I was taught. Greed is always bad. If we cant agree on this then there is no point in continuing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
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I'm not talking about your parents...i'm talking about football
Im talking about naked greed. Greed shown in football (like the ESL proposals) and also away from football in general. All bad.
Im certainly not talking about my parents.
Is that our Darren Fletcher; Technical Director of Manchester United?
The hypocrisy is astounding on this thread.
Crying about greed but also crying when the owners of said football clubs don't spend tens or hundreds of MILLIONS of pounds on new players.
I hate the ESL and the lack of competitive edge it offered but I've no issues with football clubs making money
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 35 seconds ago
The hypocrisy is astounding on this thread.
Crying about greed but also crying when the owners of said football clubs don't spend tens or hundreds of MILLIONS of pounds on new players.
I hate the ESL and the lack of competitive edge it offered but I've no issues with football clubs making money
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anybody does. Without profit there is no progression in football.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 19 minutes ago
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a fact of life, and that won't change.
Football is no different, it's just that people didn't like what they heard and now getting rich/richer is suddenly a bad thing because football is so sacred...nah, EVERYTHING has a price...even our beloved football game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nope, not a fact of life, an excuse used by people for disreputable owners.
No, not everything has a price, in fact not most things important. Family, love , health.
Football thrives because of fans, not owners.
Is a fan obliged to like what he hears, of course not, he is within his rights to try and stop it, which we did.
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 6 minutes ago
The hypocrisy is astounding on this thread.
Crying about greed but also crying when the owners of said football clubs don't spend tens or hundreds of MILLIONS of pounds on new players.
I hate the ESL and the lack of competitive edge it offered but I've no issues with football clubs making money
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No hypocrisy at all, crying about greed ? nobody crying, just pointing out the raison d'etre of the ESL.
And what is greedy about wanting your club to spend money on a good player, where do you think the money comes from; ultimately it's the fans.
Im a stakeholder at Man United. I want to see the money I give them, spent in the correct manner. As far as I am concerned.
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
and the original Premier League clubs certainly didn't form the Football League (which was founded in 1888). In fact they withdrew from it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In fairness it was by agreement after 2 years negotiation with the FA involved.
the FA however had their own agenda at the time which gave them the ability to lord it over the football league and wrest some control back.
the reality is it was only after everything was agreed that the 22 clubs then "resigned" from the football league and to this day every promoted and relegated teams has to go through a little process by which the clubs are moved between the two structures.
the premier league accepts the promoted club to the 20 and the other has to resign and to the football league.
anyway, the football pyramid is more than just the top 4 divisions.
theres a top organisation, a 3 league organisation and then national leagues below that etc etc.
the theory of football is a club could be founded tomorrow apply to the lowest league and work its way up the various structures to the premier league. If you have a billion or so spare i'm sure you could do it no problem.
The ESL would have locked that club out of the top european level ,thats all.
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unbelievable
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if you don't want the actual facts of the matter fine but go summaries what happened from 1990 to 1992 then.
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posted on 17/5/21
and the original Premier League clubs certainly didn't form the Football League (which was founded in 1888). In fact they withdrew from it.
posted on 17/5/21
As for "it's all about the sustainability of football", that's such bulls***. The 12 clubs can make their arguments for the ESL, but it takes world class levels of gullibility to believe they were motivated by the interests of the sport as a whole. The Glazers have been fairly open about their motives, which are to grow Manchester United to a business worth $10 billion, something they can't achieve without eliminating the risks inherent in a fair playing field.
The ESL may well have generated more absolute revenue than the CL. It would certainly generate more for the permanent members. I struggle to see how it would benefit the clubs that are excluded from the competition, and those continuing to play in the other competitions which are devalued by the breakaway. Perhaps it is believed that the ESL clubs intended to redistribute an astonishing proportion of the extra revenue they generated, after freeing themselves from the regulatory structures that currently share money around the sport. If anyone does believe that, perhaps they can explain why these top clubs have been lobbying UEFA to restructure elite competitions to increase the revenues of those top clubs.
posted on 17/5/21
Football does not matter enough in the grand scheme of things to have a facking independent regulator.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
and the original Premier League clubs certainly didn't form the Football League (which was founded in 1888). In fact they withdrew from it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In fairness it was by agreement after 2 years negotiation with the FA involved.
the FA however had their own agenda at the time which gave them the ability to lord it over the football league and wrest some control back.
the reality is it was only after everything was agreed that the 22 clubs then "resigned" from the football league and to this day every promoted and relegated teams has to go through a little process by which the clubs are moved between the two structures.
the premier league accepts the promoted club to the 20 and the other has to resign and to the football league.
anyway, the football pyramid is more than just the top 4 divisions.
theres a top organisation, a 3 league organisation and then national leagues below that etc etc.
the theory of football is a club could be founded tomorrow apply to the lowest league and work its way up the various structures to the premier league. If you have a billion or so spare i'm sure you could do it no problem.
The ESL would have locked that club out of the top european level ,thats all.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 34 seconds ago
We welcome the fan-led Government review of the game and hope it leads to lasting change on an array of important concerns; including co-ordinated strategies to deal with racism, supporters’ representation within clubs, LGBTQ issues, ticket costs and the distribution of income. All of those aims can be realised if we take decisive action now.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
All lead by one of the most racist, homophobic, corrupt, 'sort my rich mates out' governments we've ever had. I have NO faith in any of that.....sorry
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True, Joel Glazer and Stan Kronke would have Bojo's number on speed dial.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't your owners want to join?
posted on 17/5/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 34 seconds ago
We welcome the fan-led Government review of the game and hope it leads to lasting change on an array of important concerns; including co-ordinated strategies to deal with racism, supporters’ representation within clubs, LGBTQ issues, ticket costs and the distribution of income. All of those aims can be realised if we take decisive action now.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
All lead by one of the most racist, homophobic, corrupt, 'sort my rich mates out' governments we've ever had. I have NO faith in any of that.....sorry
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True, Joel Glazer and Stan Kronke would have Bojo's number on speed dial.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't your owners want to join?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Last in, first out. Still embarrassing though and I’ll informed
posted on 17/5/21
RR has said, eloquently, everything I would have said. And all I believe needs to be said.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by TheSpecialWUM (U9028)
posted 1 minute ago
"the £350m a year competition was to replace the £100m a year you get if you WIN the CL, nothing else. "
You really believe that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That was literally the proposal, Please, feel free to actually read it.
All they were withdrawing from was UEFA, who cream insane amounts of money off the top of these clubs.
An extremely corrupt organisation, that were fighting to protect themselves, not football.
The plans werent perfect by any means, But i understand the need for a consistent product, and i understand why the owners of the clubs needed the guaranteed incomes to boost their squad sizes and depth as much as they would have needed to.
The amount of people who didnt even read the proposal but are so vehementley against it staggers me.
It was no different to the top 20 clubs in england taking their ball away from the FA pyramid to form the football league, and Uefa were quite happy to watch the English FA get it stuck to them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
And wit a 'product' that takes all the emotion out of the sport.
I say sport in the same way à circus gymnast is selling sport.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
and the original Premier League clubs certainly didn't form the Football League (which was founded in 1888). In fact they withdrew from it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In fairness it was by agreement after 2 years negotiation with the FA involved.
the FA however had their own agenda at the time which gave them the ability to lord it over the football league and wrest some control back.
the reality is it was only after everything was agreed that the 22 clubs then "resigned" from the football league and to this day every promoted and relegated teams has to go through a little process by which the clubs are moved between the two structures.
the premier league accepts the promoted club to the 20 and the other has to resign and to the football league.
anyway, the football pyramid is more than just the top 4 divisions.
theres a top organisation, a 3 league organisation and then national leagues below that etc etc.
the theory of football is a club could be founded tomorrow apply to the lowest league and work its way up the various structures to the premier league. If you have a billion or so spare i'm sure you could do it no problem.
The ESL would have locked that club out of the top european level ,thats all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
unbelievable
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 27 minutes ago
Football does not matter enough in the grand scheme of things to have a facking independent regulator.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I does in England. Many communities are identified and bonded within history with their indigenous football and rugby clubs with heritage that goes back over 100 years to the days of Victorian industrialisation and the toil of it's workforce.
You would have to be a philistine to ignore this.
posted on 17/5/21
the theory of football is a club could be founded tomorrow apply to the lowest league and work its way up the various structures to the premier league. If you have a billion or so spare i'm sure you could do it no problem.
The ESL would have locked that club out of the top european level ,thats all.
----------------------------------------------------------
Not just that club, but any club that manages to overcome the financial disadvantages of their position and, through hard work and clever strategy, outperform the most valuable clubs. Leicester are the most recent example, but throughout the years of the PL there have been various clubs outside the 'Big 6' that have finished in the CL places, and many times that the so-called Big 6 have failed to do so.
posted on 17/5/21
the theory of football is a club could be founded tomorrow apply to the lowest league and work its way up the various structures to the premier league. If you have a billion or so spare i'm sure you could do it no problem.
____
If you had Roy Of The Rovers in your team you might be able to.
posted on 17/5/21
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a fact of life, and that won't change.
Football is no different, it's just that people didn't like what they heard and now getting rich/richer is suddenly a bad thing because football is so sacred...nah, EVERYTHING has a price...even our beloved football game.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 41 seconds ago
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a fact of life, and that won't change.
Football is no different, it's just that people didn't like what they heard and now getting rich/richer is suddenly a bad thing because football is so sacred...nah, EVERYTHING has a price...even our beloved football game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Greed is a bad thing, yes.
But you know that already. Your mummy must have told you so when you were young(er)
posted on 17/5/21
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 41 seconds ago
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a fact of life, and that won't change.
Football is no different, it's just that people didn't like what they heard and now getting rich/richer is suddenly a bad thing because football is so sacred...nah, EVERYTHING has a price...even our beloved football game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Greed is a bad thing, yes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not what we're taught/shown at all though is it.. in fact quite the opposite...unless it has to do with changing football...then greed is bad.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 41 seconds ago
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a fact of life, and that won't change.
Football is no different, it's just that people didn't like what they heard and now getting rich/richer is suddenly a bad thing because football is so sacred...nah, EVERYTHING has a price...even our beloved football game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Greed is a bad thing, yes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not what we're taught/shown at all though is it.. in fact quite the opposite...unless it has to do with changing football...then greed is bad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it is what I was taught. Greed is always bad. If we cant agree on this then there is no point in continuing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
posted on 17/5/21
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 41 seconds ago
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a fact of life, and that won't change.
Football is no different, it's just that people didn't like what they heard and now getting rich/richer is suddenly a bad thing because football is so sacred...nah, EVERYTHING has a price...even our beloved football game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Greed is a bad thing, yes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not what we're taught/shown at all though is it.. in fact quite the opposite...unless it has to do with changing football...then greed is bad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it is what I was taught. Greed is always bad. If we cant agree on this then there is no point in continuing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not talking about your parents...i'm talking about football
posted on 17/5/21
Im talking about naked greed. Greed shown in football (like the ESL proposals) and also away from football in general. All bad.
Im certainly not talking about my parents.
posted on 17/5/21
Is that our Darren Fletcher; Technical Director of Manchester United?
posted on 17/5/21
The hypocrisy is astounding on this thread.
Crying about greed but also crying when the owners of said football clubs don't spend tens or hundreds of MILLIONS of pounds on new players.
I hate the ESL and the lack of competitive edge it offered but I've no issues with football clubs making money
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 35 seconds ago
The hypocrisy is astounding on this thread.
Crying about greed but also crying when the owners of said football clubs don't spend tens or hundreds of MILLIONS of pounds on new players.
I hate the ESL and the lack of competitive edge it offered but I've no issues with football clubs making money
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anybody does. Without profit there is no progression in football.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 19 minutes ago
The fact that any football fan could support it is staggering.
It was designed to make the rich, richer, nothing else.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a fact of life, and that won't change.
Football is no different, it's just that people didn't like what they heard and now getting rich/richer is suddenly a bad thing because football is so sacred...nah, EVERYTHING has a price...even our beloved football game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nope, not a fact of life, an excuse used by people for disreputable owners.
No, not everything has a price, in fact not most things important. Family, love , health.
Football thrives because of fans, not owners.
Is a fan obliged to like what he hears, of course not, he is within his rights to try and stop it, which we did.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 6 minutes ago
The hypocrisy is astounding on this thread.
Crying about greed but also crying when the owners of said football clubs don't spend tens or hundreds of MILLIONS of pounds on new players.
I hate the ESL and the lack of competitive edge it offered but I've no issues with football clubs making money
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No hypocrisy at all, crying about greed ? nobody crying, just pointing out the raison d'etre of the ESL.
And what is greedy about wanting your club to spend money on a good player, where do you think the money comes from; ultimately it's the fans.
posted on 17/5/21
Im a stakeholder at Man United. I want to see the money I give them, spent in the correct manner. As far as I am concerned.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
and the original Premier League clubs certainly didn't form the Football League (which was founded in 1888). In fact they withdrew from it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In fairness it was by agreement after 2 years negotiation with the FA involved.
the FA however had their own agenda at the time which gave them the ability to lord it over the football league and wrest some control back.
the reality is it was only after everything was agreed that the 22 clubs then "resigned" from the football league and to this day every promoted and relegated teams has to go through a little process by which the clubs are moved between the two structures.
the premier league accepts the promoted club to the 20 and the other has to resign and to the football league.
anyway, the football pyramid is more than just the top 4 divisions.
theres a top organisation, a 3 league organisation and then national leagues below that etc etc.
the theory of football is a club could be founded tomorrow apply to the lowest league and work its way up the various structures to the premier league. If you have a billion or so spare i'm sure you could do it no problem.
The ESL would have locked that club out of the top european level ,thats all.
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unbelievable
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if you don't want the actual facts of the matter fine but go summaries what happened from 1990 to 1992 then.
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