It is impossible to say how much VAR has affected clubs points tally`s, gifted penalties, toe nail offsides etc all affect change the entire dynamic of a game.
The only thing you can say with certainty, is that some clubs will have been given a disproportionate amount of `benefit of doubt` and subsequent undeserved extra points, and vice versa.
Or.... they play a high line and Vardy plays off the shoulder so they're just more likely to be involved in more VAR decisions, good or bad.
really can't remember where we benefited from var so i cant really make any sense of this. do remember losing 9 points because of a hand ball rule change though.
"comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
It is impossible to say how much VAR has affected clubs points tally`s, gifted penalties, toe nail offsides etc all affect change the entire dynamic of a game.
The only thing you can say with certainty, is that some clubs will have been given a disproportionate amount of `benefit of doubt` and subsequent undeserved extra points, and vice versa.
"
It's perfectly possible to state with absolute certainty that Spurs have been s****ed over by the refs while clubs like Liverpool and Man Utd have been heavily favoured by them.
So basically it's hardly had any effect at all. Let's just drop it and move on
comment by SFU221 (U22636)
posted 32 seconds ago
"comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
It is impossible to say how much VAR has affected clubs points tally`s, gifted penalties, toe nail offsides etc all affect change the entire dynamic of a game.
The only thing you can say with certainty, is that some clubs will have been given a disproportionate amount of `benefit of doubt` and subsequent undeserved extra points, and vice versa.
"
It's perfectly possible to state with absolute certainty that Spurs have been s****ed over by the refs while clubs like Liverpool and Man Utd have been heavily favoured by them.
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Well, obviously that is a given, and has been for as long as I can remember.
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 1 minute ago
So basically it's hardly had any effect at all. Let's just drop it and move on
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Except for Leicester and West Ham. I mean they benefitted to the tune of 10 pts collectively?
Doesn't effect the positions of the big teams, so what we're saying is that the FA have sub-agendas now?
Depends on how you look at it. This is just a table if no VAR had been used at all. VAR more often than not leads to the right decision and is often only used for very clear errors that would be missed without it, so the non-VAR table would presumably be less fair than the table with VAR included.
Spurs board is like QAnon for conspiracies today
This is pointless. One star again.
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Fckthglzrs (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
Spurs board is like QAnon for conspiracies today
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You have blood on your hands
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
Depends on how you look at it. This is just a table if no VAR had been used at all. VAR more often than not leads to the right decision and is often only used for very clear errors that would be missed without it, so the non-VAR table would presumably be less fair than the table with VAR included.
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exactly!
Some folks are very touchy! This is table that shows how much VAR gets it wrong, and on the whole not too bad.
However, from Spurs point of view, we finished behind 2 teams that had substantially benefitted from VAR when in rare occasions, VAR got it wrong.
It means there is nothing in those team other than VAR made that diff.
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
Depends on how you look at it. This is just a table if no VAR had been used at all. VAR more often than not leads to the right decision and is often only used for very clear errors that would be missed without it, so the non-VAR table would presumably be less fair than the table with VAR included.
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exactly!
Some folks are very touchy! This is table that shows how much VAR gets it wrong, and on the whole not too bad.
However, from Spurs point of view, we finished behind 2 teams that had substantially benefitted from VAR when in rare occasions, VAR got it wrong.
It means there is nothing in those team other than VAR made that diff.
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What did you mean by "I think the officials take their unfancied small Leicester story to their heart way too much." then?
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comment by Legacyton 125.2 (U8879)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15052718/premier-league-table-without-var-arsenal-champions-league/
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We've established on another thread that you don't get enough penalties either
So basically Spurs would have benefited from dodgy referees if there was no VAR. Hmm very interesting Billy 🤔
comment by SFU221 (U22636)
posted 44 minutes ago
"comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
It is impossible to say how much VAR has affected clubs points tally`s, gifted penalties, toe nail offsides etc all affect change the entire dynamic of a game.
The only thing you can say with certainty, is that some clubs will have been given a disproportionate amount of `benefit of doubt` and subsequent undeserved extra points, and vice versa.
"
It's perfectly possible to state with absolute certainty that Spurs have been s****ed over by the refs while clubs like Liverpool and Man Utd have been heavily favoured by them.
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FINAL VAR overturns - decisions against
Liverpool 13
Tottenham 10
Arsenal 9
Man United 9
West Brom 9
Brighton 8
Leicester 7
Southampton 7
Wolves 7
Fulham 6
West Ham 6
Aston Villa 5
Chelsea 5
Crystal Palace 5
Newcastle 5
Leeds 4
Man City 4
Sheffield United 4
Everton 2
Burnley 1
Sure doesn't seem like we've been favoured to me.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by SFU221 (U22636)
posted 44 minutes ago
"comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
It is impossible to say how much VAR has affected clubs points tally`s, gifted penalties, toe nail offsides etc all affect change the entire dynamic of a game.
The only thing you can say with certainty, is that some clubs will have been given a disproportionate amount of `benefit of doubt` and subsequent undeserved extra points, and vice versa.
"
It's perfectly possible to state with absolute certainty that Spurs have been s****ed over by the refs while clubs like Liverpool and Man Utd have been heavily favoured by them.
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FINAL VAR overturns - decisions against
Liverpool 13
Tottenham 10
Arsenal 9
Man United 9
West Brom 9
Brighton 8
Leicester 7
Southampton 7
Wolves 7
Fulham 6
West Ham 6
Aston Villa 5
Chelsea 5
Crystal Palace 5
Newcastle 5
Leeds 4
Man City 4
Sheffield United 4
Everton 2
Burnley 1
Sure doesn't seem like we've been favoured to me.
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Were those decision correctly or incorrectly overturned?
It's just all decisions whether you think they're correct or not.
You are assuming the referees and VAR know what they are doing and don`t have any agendas.
VAR have overturned decisions and got it wrong, and I have also seen them fail to overturn numerous other decisions that are clearly wrong.
Until you eliminate `benefit of doubt` and the `agree with my mate` culture from referees decision making, you will never get a consistent application of the rules.
It is also a matter of opinion, which changes from club to club. All we want is a fair and even application of the rules, but it is a shame the officials do not have the balls to implement it.
I'd question how they came to this conclusion. If they're saying that Dier's handball against Newcastle in the last minute at home shouldn't have been given as a penalty, they're wrong. The rules, at that particular time, were clear that a raised hand in the box, deliberate or not, will result in a penalty. They've since changed that law if it's accidental.
I hope they've applied the laws as it would have been at the time of the decision and not based those that exist today.
Not to throw a spanner in the works but I think we've also been the team with the highest record for hitting the woodwork this season. The bottom line is though that we dropped 22 points from winning positions this season. Assuming you even get half of them back by playing a certain way, we'd have comfortably sat in third place. Sickening.
So we benefited 10points from VAR by having incorrect decisions changed correctly - is that what your saying? That means we were initially screwed by the ref for those 10 points. Cheers
comment by Hamilton Fox (U22508)
posted 1 minute ago
So we benefited 10points from VAR by having incorrect decisions changed correctly - is that what your saying? That means we were initially screwed by the ref for those 10 points. Cheers
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Proves beyond any doubt that there's a pro-Tottenham agenda in on-field refereeing. Thankfully for Leicester there's a method in place to correct this bias.
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posted on 25/5/21
It is impossible to say how much VAR has affected clubs points tally`s, gifted penalties, toe nail offsides etc all affect change the entire dynamic of a game.
The only thing you can say with certainty, is that some clubs will have been given a disproportionate amount of `benefit of doubt` and subsequent undeserved extra points, and vice versa.
posted on 25/5/21
Or.... they play a high line and Vardy plays off the shoulder so they're just more likely to be involved in more VAR decisions, good or bad.
posted on 25/5/21
really can't remember where we benefited from var so i cant really make any sense of this. do remember losing 9 points because of a hand ball rule change though.
posted on 25/5/21
"comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
It is impossible to say how much VAR has affected clubs points tally`s, gifted penalties, toe nail offsides etc all affect change the entire dynamic of a game.
The only thing you can say with certainty, is that some clubs will have been given a disproportionate amount of `benefit of doubt` and subsequent undeserved extra points, and vice versa.
"
It's perfectly possible to state with absolute certainty that Spurs have been s****ed over by the refs while clubs like Liverpool and Man Utd have been heavily favoured by them.
posted on 25/5/21
So basically it's hardly had any effect at all. Let's just drop it and move on
posted on 25/5/21
comment by SFU221 (U22636)
posted 32 seconds ago
"comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
It is impossible to say how much VAR has affected clubs points tally`s, gifted penalties, toe nail offsides etc all affect change the entire dynamic of a game.
The only thing you can say with certainty, is that some clubs will have been given a disproportionate amount of `benefit of doubt` and subsequent undeserved extra points, and vice versa.
"
It's perfectly possible to state with absolute certainty that Spurs have been s****ed over by the refs while clubs like Liverpool and Man Utd have been heavily favoured by them.
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Well, obviously that is a given, and has been for as long as I can remember.
posted on 25/5/21
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 1 minute ago
So basically it's hardly had any effect at all. Let's just drop it and move on
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Except for Leicester and West Ham. I mean they benefitted to the tune of 10 pts collectively?
posted on 25/5/21
Doesn't effect the positions of the big teams, so what we're saying is that the FA have sub-agendas now?
posted on 25/5/21
Depends on how you look at it. This is just a table if no VAR had been used at all. VAR more often than not leads to the right decision and is often only used for very clear errors that would be missed without it, so the non-VAR table would presumably be less fair than the table with VAR included.
posted on 25/5/21
Spurs board is like QAnon for conspiracies today
posted on 25/5/21
This is pointless. One star again.
posted on 25/5/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Fckthglzrs (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
Spurs board is like QAnon for conspiracies today
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You have blood on your hands
posted on 25/5/21
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
Depends on how you look at it. This is just a table if no VAR had been used at all. VAR more often than not leads to the right decision and is often only used for very clear errors that would be missed without it, so the non-VAR table would presumably be less fair than the table with VAR included.
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exactly!
Some folks are very touchy! This is table that shows how much VAR gets it wrong, and on the whole not too bad.
However, from Spurs point of view, we finished behind 2 teams that had substantially benefitted from VAR when in rare occasions, VAR got it wrong.
It means there is nothing in those team other than VAR made that diff.
posted on 25/5/21
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
Depends on how you look at it. This is just a table if no VAR had been used at all. VAR more often than not leads to the right decision and is often only used for very clear errors that would be missed without it, so the non-VAR table would presumably be less fair than the table with VAR included.
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exactly!
Some folks are very touchy! This is table that shows how much VAR gets it wrong, and on the whole not too bad.
However, from Spurs point of view, we finished behind 2 teams that had substantially benefitted from VAR when in rare occasions, VAR got it wrong.
It means there is nothing in those team other than VAR made that diff.
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What did you mean by "I think the officials take their unfancied small Leicester story to their heart way too much." then?
posted on 25/5/21
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posted on 25/5/21
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15052718/premier-league-table-without-var-arsenal-champions-league/
Shows Arsenal in 4th
posted on 25/5/21
comment by Legacyton 125.2 (U8879)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15052718/premier-league-table-without-var-arsenal-champions-league/
Shows Arsenal in 4th
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We've established on another thread that you don't get enough penalties either
posted on 25/5/21
So basically Spurs would have benefited from dodgy referees if there was no VAR. Hmm very interesting Billy 🤔
posted on 25/5/21
comment by SFU221 (U22636)
posted 44 minutes ago
"comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
It is impossible to say how much VAR has affected clubs points tally`s, gifted penalties, toe nail offsides etc all affect change the entire dynamic of a game.
The only thing you can say with certainty, is that some clubs will have been given a disproportionate amount of `benefit of doubt` and subsequent undeserved extra points, and vice versa.
"
It's perfectly possible to state with absolute certainty that Spurs have been s****ed over by the refs while clubs like Liverpool and Man Utd have been heavily favoured by them.
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FINAL VAR overturns - decisions against
Liverpool 13
Tottenham 10
Arsenal 9
Man United 9
West Brom 9
Brighton 8
Leicester 7
Southampton 7
Wolves 7
Fulham 6
West Ham 6
Aston Villa 5
Chelsea 5
Crystal Palace 5
Newcastle 5
Leeds 4
Man City 4
Sheffield United 4
Everton 2
Burnley 1
Sure doesn't seem like we've been favoured to me.
posted on 25/5/21
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by SFU221 (U22636)
posted 44 minutes ago
"comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
It is impossible to say how much VAR has affected clubs points tally`s, gifted penalties, toe nail offsides etc all affect change the entire dynamic of a game.
The only thing you can say with certainty, is that some clubs will have been given a disproportionate amount of `benefit of doubt` and subsequent undeserved extra points, and vice versa.
"
It's perfectly possible to state with absolute certainty that Spurs have been s****ed over by the refs while clubs like Liverpool and Man Utd have been heavily favoured by them.
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FINAL VAR overturns - decisions against
Liverpool 13
Tottenham 10
Arsenal 9
Man United 9
West Brom 9
Brighton 8
Leicester 7
Southampton 7
Wolves 7
Fulham 6
West Ham 6
Aston Villa 5
Chelsea 5
Crystal Palace 5
Newcastle 5
Leeds 4
Man City 4
Sheffield United 4
Everton 2
Burnley 1
Sure doesn't seem like we've been favoured to me.
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Were those decision correctly or incorrectly overturned?
posted on 25/5/21
It's just all decisions whether you think they're correct or not.
posted on 25/5/21
You are assuming the referees and VAR know what they are doing and don`t have any agendas.
VAR have overturned decisions and got it wrong, and I have also seen them fail to overturn numerous other decisions that are clearly wrong.
Until you eliminate `benefit of doubt` and the `agree with my mate` culture from referees decision making, you will never get a consistent application of the rules.
It is also a matter of opinion, which changes from club to club. All we want is a fair and even application of the rules, but it is a shame the officials do not have the balls to implement it.
posted on 25/5/21
I'd question how they came to this conclusion. If they're saying that Dier's handball against Newcastle in the last minute at home shouldn't have been given as a penalty, they're wrong. The rules, at that particular time, were clear that a raised hand in the box, deliberate or not, will result in a penalty. They've since changed that law if it's accidental.
I hope they've applied the laws as it would have been at the time of the decision and not based those that exist today.
Not to throw a spanner in the works but I think we've also been the team with the highest record for hitting the woodwork this season. The bottom line is though that we dropped 22 points from winning positions this season. Assuming you even get half of them back by playing a certain way, we'd have comfortably sat in third place. Sickening.
posted on 25/5/21
So we benefited 10points from VAR by having incorrect decisions changed correctly - is that what your saying? That means we were initially screwed by the ref for those 10 points. Cheers
posted on 25/5/21
comment by Hamilton Fox (U22508)
posted 1 minute ago
So we benefited 10points from VAR by having incorrect decisions changed correctly - is that what your saying? That means we were initially screwed by the ref for those 10 points. Cheers
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Proves beyond any doubt that there's a pro-Tottenham agenda in on-field refereeing. Thankfully for Leicester there's a method in place to correct this bias.
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