He’s basically a less effective Danish Ozil
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
Did this Buendia guy choose Villa over Arsenal?
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We let Villa sign him and didn't try and match the bid. I reckon we saw him as a cheaper option but once the price got to 35-40m then we moved on.
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by Legacyton 125.2 (U8879)
posted 20 minutes ago
Various reputable journalists say Odegaard remains our ‘no.1 target’. Remains, suggests a / the reason we didn’t pursue Buendia harder than we did.
That said, I wonder whether the original plan was: sign Buendia and loan Odegaard, but RM have indicated if he’s to go out again next season, this time it needs to be permanent?
As to the OP, I like him, and thought his contribution for us was a lot better than some give him credit for.
£35-40m would be fine. £50m...
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All of this, really.
Pre-pandemic 50m would have been a great price for him, but who knows what the level is now.
People don't realise we took Ødegaard after him not playing for 6 months, had him adjust to a new league, team and tactical set up and had him carrying an injury for most of his time here. Despite visibly not being at his best, his introduction (along with the brilliant ESR) saw results that, if we could have extrapolated them over a season, would have seen Arteta hailed as the second coming.
He's a lot, lot better than some here think.
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35 mill for a 24 year old who has played and proven himself (scoring and assisting) in the PL and Championship... or a reported 50 mill for a 22 year old who we still are unsure of how well he'd fit into the PL?
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Fair points. For the record I really like Buendia and was excited by the prospect of him joining up with us. I had concerns that he was too similar to ESR in his play, but didn't consider them too big of an issue.
Ødegaard is a little bit better at controlling a game and its tempo . Whereas Buendia is all-action attack, Ødegaard (when he's on song) can dictate the game from slightly deeper. Stylistically, he's much more similar to Fabregas in that way. I'd hazard that that's more important for this Arsenal side right now.
I know the stats paint a story, but I believe in his talent. It seems people are unwilling to look at the potential in players these days, and are only willing to look at statistics. How many players under Wenger were clearly talented but took a while to get going? Henry took 8 games to score a goal. Ødegaard has only played 14 games for us, many of them carrying an injury.
Sometimes, football is about seeing something yet to blossom.
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I have no doubt Odegaard is a talent. I think he will do well. I guess I am just nervous (at this time at least) about bringing in a player who is still about potential rather than the proven thing PLUS potential for growth. I am just nervous about our transfer dealings in general.
Seen enough of Ode to see what the hype is about but he's really not that much farther on in his footballing journey than ESR. He's not the player to be starter to ESR as backup he's more one for a straight split of gametime as there's not much between them.
For me if we're signing a CAM it has to be someone who is a no contest with ESR for 1st team football. He's the No 10 and ESR is his back up. Right now, that player is not Martin Odegaard. He's good but he's not developed enough to warrant booting ESR out of the No 10 spot.
The one factor that I'm unsure of is how much of what we've seen or not seen from Ode has been down to Arteta being an utterly sh !t manager. After all he did hurt the games of Pepe, Martinelli, Auba, Gabriel and Partey so it makes sense he suffed Ode too. I mean how much harder musty a No 10's job be if his manager is going to ban him and the rest of the team from the one area on the pitch where most CAMs work their magic the best?
Odegaard is decent but nothing more than that. Frankly I feel like £40m is a bit much for him, but since we missed out on Buendia (still gutted about that), I’d hate to miss out on MØ too.
Last season Buendia was Norwich‘s player of the season. 14 goals and 16 assists in 37 games. Odegaard for 2 goals and 2 assists in for us. But people are still asking how Buendia is the better player? Buendia was amongst the top creators in Europe for 2 seasons running. Odegaard has never been anywhere close to that conversation.
I honestly hope I’m wrong, but I think that missing out on Buendia will come back to bite us big time. Can’t believe we were haggling over a 10% sell-on clause with Norwich instead of just signing one of the most exciting prospects on the market, if not the most.
Haggling over chump change is how ke's ALWAYS done it NLG. And it's primarily responsible for almost all the hot prospects we've missed out on since that yank got involved with the club and the subsequent decline in all around squad quality over time. The more expensive transfer fees got is the less money he's been willing to cough toward them.
He just doesn't want to play clubs full transfer fees, he prefers the US method of just tapping up the individual player with a fat wage so he pushes for/forces the move for half his value, from his end.
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 23 hours, 7 minutes ago
Seen enough of Ode to see what the hype is about but he's really not that much farther on in his footballing journey than ESR. He's not the player to be starter to ESR as backup he's more one for a straight split of gametime as there's not much between them.
For me if we're signing a CAM it has to be someone who is a no contest with ESR for 1st team football. He's the No 10 and ESR is his back up. Right now, that player is not Martin Odegaard. He's good but he's not developed enough to warrant booting ESR out of the No 10 spot.
The one factor that I'm unsure of is how much of what we've seen or not seen from Ode has been down to Arteta being an utterly sh !t manager. After all he did hurt the games of Pepe, Martinelli, Auba, Gabriel and Partey so it makes sense he suffed Ode too. I mean how much harder musty a No 10's job be if his manager is going to ban him and the rest of the team from the one area on the pitch where most CAMs work their magic the best?
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I agree, but will add that I think the money we would spend on a no 10 to push EsR out of that position would be so much it would be better spent elsewhere. We need a RB, a LB and several CM's. personally I'd be happy to stick with ESR and add the money to the pot for the others, particularly CM. That will win us more points than spending it on Odegaard or another no. 10 imo.
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posted on 7/6/21
He’s basically a less effective Danish Ozil
posted on 7/6/21
Or Norweigan. Whatever
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
Did this Buendia guy choose Villa over Arsenal?
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We let Villa sign him and didn't try and match the bid. I reckon we saw him as a cheaper option but once the price got to 35-40m then we moved on.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by Legacyton 125.2 (U8879)
posted 20 minutes ago
Various reputable journalists say Odegaard remains our ‘no.1 target’. Remains, suggests a / the reason we didn’t pursue Buendia harder than we did.
That said, I wonder whether the original plan was: sign Buendia and loan Odegaard, but RM have indicated if he’s to go out again next season, this time it needs to be permanent?
As to the OP, I like him, and thought his contribution for us was a lot better than some give him credit for.
£35-40m would be fine. £50m...
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All of this, really.
Pre-pandemic 50m would have been a great price for him, but who knows what the level is now.
People don't realise we took Ødegaard after him not playing for 6 months, had him adjust to a new league, team and tactical set up and had him carrying an injury for most of his time here. Despite visibly not being at his best, his introduction (along with the brilliant ESR) saw results that, if we could have extrapolated them over a season, would have seen Arteta hailed as the second coming.
He's a lot, lot better than some here think.
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35 mill for a 24 year old who has played and proven himself (scoring and assisting) in the PL and Championship... or a reported 50 mill for a 22 year old who we still are unsure of how well he'd fit into the PL?
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Fair points. For the record I really like Buendia and was excited by the prospect of him joining up with us. I had concerns that he was too similar to ESR in his play, but didn't consider them too big of an issue.
Ødegaard is a little bit better at controlling a game and its tempo . Whereas Buendia is all-action attack, Ødegaard (when he's on song) can dictate the game from slightly deeper. Stylistically, he's much more similar to Fabregas in that way. I'd hazard that that's more important for this Arsenal side right now.
I know the stats paint a story, but I believe in his talent. It seems people are unwilling to look at the potential in players these days, and are only willing to look at statistics. How many players under Wenger were clearly talented but took a while to get going? Henry took 8 games to score a goal. Ødegaard has only played 14 games for us, many of them carrying an injury.
Sometimes, football is about seeing something yet to blossom.
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I have no doubt Odegaard is a talent. I think he will do well. I guess I am just nervous (at this time at least) about bringing in a player who is still about potential rather than the proven thing PLUS potential for growth. I am just nervous about our transfer dealings in general.
posted on 7/6/21
Seen enough of Ode to see what the hype is about but he's really not that much farther on in his footballing journey than ESR. He's not the player to be starter to ESR as backup he's more one for a straight split of gametime as there's not much between them.
For me if we're signing a CAM it has to be someone who is a no contest with ESR for 1st team football. He's the No 10 and ESR is his back up. Right now, that player is not Martin Odegaard. He's good but he's not developed enough to warrant booting ESR out of the No 10 spot.
The one factor that I'm unsure of is how much of what we've seen or not seen from Ode has been down to Arteta being an utterly sh !t manager. After all he did hurt the games of Pepe, Martinelli, Auba, Gabriel and Partey so it makes sense he suffed Ode too. I mean how much harder musty a No 10's job be if his manager is going to ban him and the rest of the team from the one area on the pitch where most CAMs work their magic the best?
posted on 8/6/21
Odegaard is decent but nothing more than that. Frankly I feel like £40m is a bit much for him, but since we missed out on Buendia (still gutted about that), I’d hate to miss out on MØ too.
Last season Buendia was Norwich‘s player of the season. 14 goals and 16 assists in 37 games. Odegaard for 2 goals and 2 assists in for us. But people are still asking how Buendia is the better player? Buendia was amongst the top creators in Europe for 2 seasons running. Odegaard has never been anywhere close to that conversation.
I honestly hope I’m wrong, but I think that missing out on Buendia will come back to bite us big time. Can’t believe we were haggling over a 10% sell-on clause with Norwich instead of just signing one of the most exciting prospects on the market, if not the most.
posted on 8/6/21
Haggling over chump change is how ke's ALWAYS done it NLG. And it's primarily responsible for almost all the hot prospects we've missed out on since that yank got involved with the club and the subsequent decline in all around squad quality over time. The more expensive transfer fees got is the less money he's been willing to cough toward them.
He just doesn't want to play clubs full transfer fees, he prefers the US method of just tapping up the individual player with a fat wage so he pushes for/forces the move for half his value, from his end.
posted on 8/6/21
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 23 hours, 7 minutes ago
Seen enough of Ode to see what the hype is about but he's really not that much farther on in his footballing journey than ESR. He's not the player to be starter to ESR as backup he's more one for a straight split of gametime as there's not much between them.
For me if we're signing a CAM it has to be someone who is a no contest with ESR for 1st team football. He's the No 10 and ESR is his back up. Right now, that player is not Martin Odegaard. He's good but he's not developed enough to warrant booting ESR out of the No 10 spot.
The one factor that I'm unsure of is how much of what we've seen or not seen from Ode has been down to Arteta being an utterly sh !t manager. After all he did hurt the games of Pepe, Martinelli, Auba, Gabriel and Partey so it makes sense he suffed Ode too. I mean how much harder musty a No 10's job be if his manager is going to ban him and the rest of the team from the one area on the pitch where most CAMs work their magic the best?
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I agree, but will add that I think the money we would spend on a no 10 to push EsR out of that position would be so much it would be better spent elsewhere. We need a RB, a LB and several CM's. personally I'd be happy to stick with ESR and add the money to the pot for the others, particularly CM. That will win us more points than spending it on Odegaard or another no. 10 imo.
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