Not sure Zidane is the man you want if you want to see young talent developed. He was consistently criticised for showing too much faith in the old guard at Real during his second spell.
Arteta is probably a lot like Zidane albeit Zidane has more buy in from players by being one of the best in history.
Probably too big a risk for Zidane, doubt he’d risk tarnishing his reputation with such a gamble.
Kroenke is not serious anyway. His tightwad ways will continue.
Villa took your best keeper and signed a big target of yours form under your noses. Every penny you give the club now only prolongs the madness.
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Villa took your best keeper and signed a big target of yours form under your noses.
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Thats all down to Arteta.
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 3 minutes ago
Not sure Zidane is the man you want if you want to see young talent developed. He was consistently criticised for showing too much faith in the old guard at Real during his second spell.
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Very different to RM here, there he already had in the squad and went to, numerous tried and tested legend veterans at his disposal. Different circumstances, different team goals and most importantly a completely different challenge for ZIdane. And possibly far more desirable one to a manager who is just sick of the Los Blancos/Spanish media BS drama and just wanting to get back to building a team and working with players.
At AFC he gets a strong pool of young talent to mould and mature and the place the club's in at the moment there'll be no "Title or bust" stress. He only has to get a squad already strong enough to have qualified for CL this season who didn't because the manager was stupid all season long. To qualify for CL next season after he gets to add a couple players of his choosing. That's easy street and most of all he can get to MAKE great players instead of having to just put up with their various loads of superstar BS every day. The former is way more enjoyable and satisfying than the latter I'm sure.
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 3 minutes ago
Not sure Zidane is the man you want if you want to see young talent developed. He was consistently criticised for showing too much faith in the old guard at Real during his second spell.
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Very different to RM here, there he already had in the squad and went to, numerous tried and tested legend veterans at his disposal. Different circumstances, different team goals and most importantly a completely different challenge for ZIdane. And possibly far more desirable one to a manager who is just sick of the Los Blancos/Spanish media BS drama and just wanting to get back to building a team and working with players.
At AFC he gets a strong pool of young talent to mould and mature and the place the club's in at the moment there'll be no "Title or bust" stress. He only has to get a squad already strong enough to have qualified for CL this season who didn't because the manager was stupid all season long. To qualify for CL next season after he gets to add a couple players of his choosing. That's easy street and most of all he can get to MAKE great players instead of having to just put up with their various loads of superstar BS every day. The former is way more enjoyable and satisfying than the latter I'm sure.
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Yeah at RM he only had Reguilon, Odegaard, Hakimi, Kubo, Mayoral, Jovic, and Diaz. No young talent there at all. Those are just the ones farmed out within the last year and a half of Zidane. He doesn't build with young players. He sticks by seasoned professionals, which is the exact opposite of what you need, really.
Thats beside the point that he wouldn't come manage you in the first place.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 31 minutes ago
Arteta is probably a lot like Zidane albeit Zidane has more buy in from players by being one of the best in history.
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Zidane actually knows how to manage a football team and win titles, as well as being a playing all time legend. I know he the strict taskmaster type but I'm not sure if he's as obnoxious to all his players as Arteta (I don't think I've seen any manager behave quite as badly and toxicly toward his own squad)
The quality and experience Zidane has say because he can back up his talk with trophies and medals and can actually manage, he gets the player buyin Arteta couldn't giveaway now, so he gets far better results from the off with relative ease I think. And without boring us to death all season in the process either.
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comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 3 minutes ago
Not sure Zidane is the man you want if you want to see young talent developed. He was consistently criticised for showing too much faith in the old guard at Real during his second spell.
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Very different to RM here, there he already had in the squad and went to, numerous tried and tested legend veterans at his disposal. Different circumstances, different team goals and most importantly a completely different challenge for ZIdane. And possibly far more desirable one to a manager who is just sick of the Los Blancos/Spanish media BS drama and just wanting to get back to building a team and working with players.
At AFC he gets a strong pool of young talent to mould and mature and the place the club's in at the moment there'll be no "Title or bust" stress. He only has to get a squad already strong enough to have qualified for CL this season who didn't because the manager was stupid all season long. To qualify for CL next season after he gets to add a couple players of his choosing. That's easy street and most of all he can get to MAKE great players instead of having to just put up with their various loads of superstar BS every day. The former is way more enjoyable and satisfying than the latter I'm sure.
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Yeah at RM he only had Reguilon, Odegaard, Hakimi, Kubo, Mayoral, Jovic, and Diaz. No young talent there at all. Those are just the ones farmed out within the last year and a half of Zidane. He doesn't build with young players. He sticks by seasoned professionals, which is the exact opposite of what you need, really.
Thats beside the point that he wouldn't come manage you in the first place.
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Apart from Hakimi none of those players are ones that have proven to be realiable enough to win a league title, which Real are expected to do.
No such expectation at Arsenal atm.
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 31 minutes ago
Arteta is probably a lot like Zidane albeit Zidane has more buy in from players by being one of the best in history.
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Zidane actually knows how to manage a football team and win titles, as well as being a playing all time legend. I know he the strict taskmaster type but I'm not sure if he's as obnoxious to all his players as Arteta (I don't think I've seen any manager behave quite as badly and toxicly toward his own squad)
The quality and experience Zidane has say because he can back up his talk with trophies and medals and can actually manage, he gets the player buyin Arteta couldn't giveaway now, so he gets far better results from the off with relative ease I think. And without boring us to death all season in the process either.
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Zidane has done that with players at the peak of their ability. I doubt he has the skills or patience to develop younger players. Arteta has the very same issues. Of course Zidane has a better team surrounding him at Real Madrid and I am not sure we will get those coaches to come along. Arteta is surrounded by coaches who wouldn't look out place at a club fighting relegation.
Not sure whether Zidane has what it takes to turn a club around however one thing is for sure-he’s in his own league when it comes to firing up his team from a mental point of view. Klopp and Pep are very good in this aspect, but the way Madrid get out of sticky situations due to their mental toughness in incredible.
Yeah at RM he only had Reguilon, Odegaard, Hakimi, Kubo, Mayoral, Jovic, and Diaz. No young talent there at all. Those are just the ones farmed out within the last year and a half of Zidane. He doesn't build with young players. He sticks by seasoned professionals, which is the exact opposite of what you need, really.
Thats beside the point that he wouldn't come manage you in the first place.
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I never said he didn't HAVE youngsters at Real, I said the expectation environment there isn't exactly conducive to the manager saying to himself "Yeah I'll drop my title winning veteran stars and risk the season on my youngsters."
You say he doesn't work with youngsters and I'm saying maybe he just didn't at the fan/media pressure cooker of title expectation that is Los Blancos and there were already a list of legends to pick ahead of the youngsters. Oh and I've seen Odegaard play, easy enough to see why he couldn't get into a Zidane RM team. He's nowhere near ready for that level of expectation.
Don't know about the others you've mentioned but if they're similar in development to him then none of them are ready to carry a Real Madrid season nor carry the can with the fans for failure. That's A LOT to heap on a kid. So I can see why they weren't used that RM pressure makes all the difference on that sort of call when a manager's making it. If we approach and he doesn't come it will only be for one of 2 reasons. He hates SL so Stan by extension or Stan's too tight with the transfer budget. The 2nd one there being the front runner.
Firstly, I can't see him coming to England, secondly, my understanding is that he doesn't speak English. Whether you like it or not, my view is that you will begin next season with Arteta.
What makes you sure Zidane without money would work at Arsenal?
Zidane has done that with players at the peak of their ability. I doubt he has the skills or patience to develop younger players. Arteta has the very same issues. Of course Zidane has a better team surrounding him at Real Madrid and I am not sure we will get those coaches to come along. Arteta is surrounded by coaches who wouldn't look out place at a club fighting relegation.
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I'm looking at it as how he's done it before being the primary motivator in bringing him to AFC to do it now. He's won everything there is to win, doing it by using the baddest big bank balance team of all. Almost a true test to himself as a manager. He and the world know he can take a team of Galacticos or french dream team to victory. Hoping that he fancies seeing if he can do it with just a plain old one of the world's biggest clubs.
Depending on the man behind the manager (contingent on Stan not being too tight on the budget) it could be an ideal next project for him.
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 39 seconds ago
Zidane has done that with players at the peak of their ability. I doubt he has the skills or patience to develop younger players. Arteta has the very same issues. Of course Zidane has a better team surrounding him at Real Madrid and I am not sure we will get those coaches to come along. Arteta is surrounded by coaches who wouldn't look out place at a club fighting relegation.
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I'm looking at it as how he's done it before being the primary motivator in bringing him to AFC to do it now. He's won everything there is to win, doing it by using the baddest big bank balance team of all. Almost a true test to himself as a manager. He and the world know he can take a team of Galacticos or french dream team to victory. Hoping that he fancies seeing if he can do it with just a plain old one of the world's biggest clubs.
Depending on the man behind the manager (contingent on Stan not being too tight on the budget) it could be an ideal next project for him.
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I understand his attraction to you as an Arsenal fan, but if, and for me it is a big if, you don't start the season with Arteta, then you need a Bielsa type manager, who will bring a backroom team with him.
Zidane's success at Madrid was all about man management and handling the egos in the dressing room, the Arsenal job is a totally different proposition. Also not the right manager to bring through the youth as others have said. Any top manager with common sense would stay well clear of us right now, the job is a bit of a poisoned chalice. Poor squad, not much money, no direction from the owners/board but expectations are still high.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
Zidane's success at Madrid was all about man management and handling the egos in the dressing room, the Arsenal job is a totally different proposition. Also not the right manager to bring through the youth as others have said. Any top manager with common sense would stay well clear of us right now, the job is a bit of a poisoned chalice. Poor squad, not much money, no direction from the owners/board but expectations are still high.
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But to be fair a vacant job is rarely going to be available at a club where everything is rosy.
Lets face it. Only an idiot would back Arteta with bucket loads of money after watching how poorly Partey and Gabriel have performed under Arteta.
But for whatever reason Kroenke doesn't have the balls to sack Arteta either. Which is not surprising because he kept Wenger in charge for far longer than he deserved.
So we are stuck.
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 18 minutes ago
Firstly, I can't see him coming to England, secondly, my understanding is that he doesn't speak English. Whether you like it or not, my view is that you will begin next season with Arteta.
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Neither do I to be honest, I just see it being an enquiry/approach by us is a MUST given his quality and our situation. And an enquiry/approach which would be being made by us shortly, if there was anything the least bit sincere about the ke's statement to back the team with investment.
Kind of a "If you thought they were telling the truth, stop believing that sh !t because if it were true
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 18 minutes ago
Firstly, I can't see him coming to England, secondly, my understanding is that he doesn't speak English. Whether you like it or not, my view is that you will begin next season with Arteta.
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Neither do I to be honest, I just see it being an enquiry/approach by us is a MUST given his quality and our situation. And an enquiry/approach which would be being made by us shortly, if there was anything the least bit sincere about theke's statement to back the team with investment.
Kind of a "If you thought they were telling the truth, stop believing that sh !t because if it were true
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Tbf when you look across the road at the embarrassment of Conte rejecting Spurs and Levy, I can sort of understand why they aren't going for it, even though I agree with you.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
What makes you sure Zidane without money would work at Arsenal?
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His pedigree and experience. He's not someone I see as necessarily HAVING to have a Real bankroll to build a good football team. Just someone who had the quality to be given the job that bankroll came with pretty much straight off the bat. And remember I'm talking about getting this team that would already be in Europe next season if Arteta wasn't totally clueless. Back to EL at the least and maybe even CL for 22/23 (I don't fancy Arteta's chances at all).
Given that the team plus loanees back is already strong enough to get the job done, why you think Zidane would need vast cash injections for that, I don't know. Now if you're talking WIN the PL or CL then yes but our immediate goal is a return to European (preferably CL) football, it's a much lower bar and we already have the players to do it without a big cash outlay first. Once back in CL, then he/we would need to be concerned with needing big money. But for now it just needs a manager with some kinda clue how to manage a team of players and it'll be a cake walk back to Europe for one with as much of a clue as Zidane.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
Lets face it. Only an idiot would back Arteta with bucket loads of money after watching how poorly Partey and Gabriel have performed under Arteta.
But for whatever reason Kroenke doesn't have the balls to sack Arteta either. Which is not surprising because he kept Wenger in charge for far longer than he deserved.
So we are stuck.
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He never kept Wenger because he didn't have the balls to sack him, he kept him because he was a cash cow with CL qualification on a budget nobody else could do it with for 15 years.
Wenger did not ruin AFC KE has. By undermining Wenger's efforts with his "I'm gonna run this like my US franchises approach to his PL team and a repeated hamstringing on fees every transfer market for a decade. Wenger held the rot off as long as it could have been held.
Wenger made his errors but the number one obstacle to him recreating his early success was the ke way of doing things.Same thing we've seen feckin stuff up even worse since Wenger left. So instead of fans still continuing to blame Wenger for the mess we're now in, they should just be grateful it never happened 10 years earlier. He was the dam that finally burst under the pressure of holding all that water back. Not the flooding waters that drowned and still are drowning the the club, THAT WAS STAN and his kid.
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comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
Zidane's success at Madrid was all about man management and handling the egos in the dressing room, the Arsenal job is a totally different proposition. Also not the right manager to bring through the youth as others have said. Any top manager with common sense would stay well clear of us right now, the job is a bit of a poisoned chalice. Poor squad, not much money, no direction from the owners/board but expectations are still high.
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But to be fair a vacant job is rarely going to be available at a club where everything is rosy.
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Managers can underperform but the club can have potential to do much better like Tuchel and Chelsea, the only way was up for him and the squad they have but with Arsenal there's more risk than upside for any top tier established manager.
Tbf when you look across the road at the embarrassment of Conte rejecting Spurs and Levy, I can sort of understand why they aren't going for it, even though I agree with you.
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posted on 7/6/21
Not sure Zidane is the man you want if you want to see young talent developed. He was consistently criticised for showing too much faith in the old guard at Real during his second spell.
posted on 7/6/21
Arteta is probably a lot like Zidane albeit Zidane has more buy in from players by being one of the best in history.
posted on 7/6/21
Probably too big a risk for Zidane, doubt he’d risk tarnishing his reputation with such a gamble.
posted on 7/6/21
Kroenke is not serious anyway. His tightwad ways will continue.
Villa took your best keeper and signed a big target of yours form under your noses. Every penny you give the club now only prolongs the madness.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Villa took your best keeper and signed a big target of yours form under your noses.
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Thats all down to Arteta.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 3 minutes ago
Not sure Zidane is the man you want if you want to see young talent developed. He was consistently criticised for showing too much faith in the old guard at Real during his second spell.
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Very different to RM here, there he already had in the squad and went to, numerous tried and tested legend veterans at his disposal. Different circumstances, different team goals and most importantly a completely different challenge for ZIdane. And possibly far more desirable one to a manager who is just sick of the Los Blancos/Spanish media BS drama and just wanting to get back to building a team and working with players.
At AFC he gets a strong pool of young talent to mould and mature and the place the club's in at the moment there'll be no "Title or bust" stress. He only has to get a squad already strong enough to have qualified for CL this season who didn't because the manager was stupid all season long. To qualify for CL next season after he gets to add a couple players of his choosing. That's easy street and most of all he can get to MAKE great players instead of having to just put up with their various loads of superstar BS every day. The former is way more enjoyable and satisfying than the latter I'm sure.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 3 minutes ago
Not sure Zidane is the man you want if you want to see young talent developed. He was consistently criticised for showing too much faith in the old guard at Real during his second spell.
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Very different to RM here, there he already had in the squad and went to, numerous tried and tested legend veterans at his disposal. Different circumstances, different team goals and most importantly a completely different challenge for ZIdane. And possibly far more desirable one to a manager who is just sick of the Los Blancos/Spanish media BS drama and just wanting to get back to building a team and working with players.
At AFC he gets a strong pool of young talent to mould and mature and the place the club's in at the moment there'll be no "Title or bust" stress. He only has to get a squad already strong enough to have qualified for CL this season who didn't because the manager was stupid all season long. To qualify for CL next season after he gets to add a couple players of his choosing. That's easy street and most of all he can get to MAKE great players instead of having to just put up with their various loads of superstar BS every day. The former is way more enjoyable and satisfying than the latter I'm sure.
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Yeah at RM he only had Reguilon, Odegaard, Hakimi, Kubo, Mayoral, Jovic, and Diaz. No young talent there at all. Those are just the ones farmed out within the last year and a half of Zidane. He doesn't build with young players. He sticks by seasoned professionals, which is the exact opposite of what you need, really.
Thats beside the point that he wouldn't come manage you in the first place.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 31 minutes ago
Arteta is probably a lot like Zidane albeit Zidane has more buy in from players by being one of the best in history.
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Zidane actually knows how to manage a football team and win titles, as well as being a playing all time legend. I know he the strict taskmaster type but I'm not sure if he's as obnoxious to all his players as Arteta (I don't think I've seen any manager behave quite as badly and toxicly toward his own squad)
The quality and experience Zidane has say because he can back up his talk with trophies and medals and can actually manage, he gets the player buyin Arteta couldn't giveaway now, so he gets far better results from the off with relative ease I think. And without boring us to death all season in the process either.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 3 minutes ago
Not sure Zidane is the man you want if you want to see young talent developed. He was consistently criticised for showing too much faith in the old guard at Real during his second spell.
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Very different to RM here, there he already had in the squad and went to, numerous tried and tested legend veterans at his disposal. Different circumstances, different team goals and most importantly a completely different challenge for ZIdane. And possibly far more desirable one to a manager who is just sick of the Los Blancos/Spanish media BS drama and just wanting to get back to building a team and working with players.
At AFC he gets a strong pool of young talent to mould and mature and the place the club's in at the moment there'll be no "Title or bust" stress. He only has to get a squad already strong enough to have qualified for CL this season who didn't because the manager was stupid all season long. To qualify for CL next season after he gets to add a couple players of his choosing. That's easy street and most of all he can get to MAKE great players instead of having to just put up with their various loads of superstar BS every day. The former is way more enjoyable and satisfying than the latter I'm sure.
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Yeah at RM he only had Reguilon, Odegaard, Hakimi, Kubo, Mayoral, Jovic, and Diaz. No young talent there at all. Those are just the ones farmed out within the last year and a half of Zidane. He doesn't build with young players. He sticks by seasoned professionals, which is the exact opposite of what you need, really.
Thats beside the point that he wouldn't come manage you in the first place.
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Apart from Hakimi none of those players are ones that have proven to be realiable enough to win a league title, which Real are expected to do.
No such expectation at Arsenal atm.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 31 minutes ago
Arteta is probably a lot like Zidane albeit Zidane has more buy in from players by being one of the best in history.
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Zidane actually knows how to manage a football team and win titles, as well as being a playing all time legend. I know he the strict taskmaster type but I'm not sure if he's as obnoxious to all his players as Arteta (I don't think I've seen any manager behave quite as badly and toxicly toward his own squad)
The quality and experience Zidane has say because he can back up his talk with trophies and medals and can actually manage, he gets the player buyin Arteta couldn't giveaway now, so he gets far better results from the off with relative ease I think. And without boring us to death all season in the process either.
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Zidane has done that with players at the peak of their ability. I doubt he has the skills or patience to develop younger players. Arteta has the very same issues. Of course Zidane has a better team surrounding him at Real Madrid and I am not sure we will get those coaches to come along. Arteta is surrounded by coaches who wouldn't look out place at a club fighting relegation.
posted on 7/6/21
Not sure whether Zidane has what it takes to turn a club around however one thing is for sure-he’s in his own league when it comes to firing up his team from a mental point of view. Klopp and Pep are very good in this aspect, but the way Madrid get out of sticky situations due to their mental toughness in incredible.
posted on 7/6/21
Yeah at RM he only had Reguilon, Odegaard, Hakimi, Kubo, Mayoral, Jovic, and Diaz. No young talent there at all. Those are just the ones farmed out within the last year and a half of Zidane. He doesn't build with young players. He sticks by seasoned professionals, which is the exact opposite of what you need, really.
Thats beside the point that he wouldn't come manage you in the first place.
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I never said he didn't HAVE youngsters at Real, I said the expectation environment there isn't exactly conducive to the manager saying to himself "Yeah I'll drop my title winning veteran stars and risk the season on my youngsters."
You say he doesn't work with youngsters and I'm saying maybe he just didn't at the fan/media pressure cooker of title expectation that is Los Blancos and there were already a list of legends to pick ahead of the youngsters. Oh and I've seen Odegaard play, easy enough to see why he couldn't get into a Zidane RM team. He's nowhere near ready for that level of expectation.
Don't know about the others you've mentioned but if they're similar in development to him then none of them are ready to carry a Real Madrid season nor carry the can with the fans for failure. That's A LOT to heap on a kid. So I can see why they weren't used that RM pressure makes all the difference on that sort of call when a manager's making it. If we approach and he doesn't come it will only be for one of 2 reasons. He hates SL so Stan by extension or Stan's too tight with the transfer budget. The 2nd one there being the front runner.
posted on 7/6/21
Firstly, I can't see him coming to England, secondly, my understanding is that he doesn't speak English. Whether you like it or not, my view is that you will begin next season with Arteta.
posted on 7/6/21
What makes you sure Zidane without money would work at Arsenal?
posted on 7/6/21
Zidane has done that with players at the peak of their ability. I doubt he has the skills or patience to develop younger players. Arteta has the very same issues. Of course Zidane has a better team surrounding him at Real Madrid and I am not sure we will get those coaches to come along. Arteta is surrounded by coaches who wouldn't look out place at a club fighting relegation.
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I'm looking at it as how he's done it before being the primary motivator in bringing him to AFC to do it now. He's won everything there is to win, doing it by using the baddest big bank balance team of all. Almost a true test to himself as a manager. He and the world know he can take a team of Galacticos or french dream team to victory. Hoping that he fancies seeing if he can do it with just a plain old one of the world's biggest clubs.
Depending on the man behind the manager (contingent on Stan not being too tight on the budget) it could be an ideal next project for him.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 39 seconds ago
Zidane has done that with players at the peak of their ability. I doubt he has the skills or patience to develop younger players. Arteta has the very same issues. Of course Zidane has a better team surrounding him at Real Madrid and I am not sure we will get those coaches to come along. Arteta is surrounded by coaches who wouldn't look out place at a club fighting relegation.
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I'm looking at it as how he's done it before being the primary motivator in bringing him to AFC to do it now. He's won everything there is to win, doing it by using the baddest big bank balance team of all. Almost a true test to himself as a manager. He and the world know he can take a team of Galacticos or french dream team to victory. Hoping that he fancies seeing if he can do it with just a plain old one of the world's biggest clubs.
Depending on the man behind the manager (contingent on Stan not being too tight on the budget) it could be an ideal next project for him.
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I understand his attraction to you as an Arsenal fan, but if, and for me it is a big if, you don't start the season with Arteta, then you need a Bielsa type manager, who will bring a backroom team with him.
posted on 7/6/21
Zidane's success at Madrid was all about man management and handling the egos in the dressing room, the Arsenal job is a totally different proposition. Also not the right manager to bring through the youth as others have said. Any top manager with common sense would stay well clear of us right now, the job is a bit of a poisoned chalice. Poor squad, not much money, no direction from the owners/board but expectations are still high.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
Zidane's success at Madrid was all about man management and handling the egos in the dressing room, the Arsenal job is a totally different proposition. Also not the right manager to bring through the youth as others have said. Any top manager with common sense would stay well clear of us right now, the job is a bit of a poisoned chalice. Poor squad, not much money, no direction from the owners/board but expectations are still high.
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But to be fair a vacant job is rarely going to be available at a club where everything is rosy.
posted on 7/6/21
Lets face it. Only an idiot would back Arteta with bucket loads of money after watching how poorly Partey and Gabriel have performed under Arteta.
But for whatever reason Kroenke doesn't have the balls to sack Arteta either. Which is not surprising because he kept Wenger in charge for far longer than he deserved.
So we are stuck.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 18 minutes ago
Firstly, I can't see him coming to England, secondly, my understanding is that he doesn't speak English. Whether you like it or not, my view is that you will begin next season with Arteta.
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Neither do I to be honest, I just see it being an enquiry/approach by us is a MUST given his quality and our situation. And an enquiry/approach which would be being made by us shortly, if there was anything the least bit sincere about the ke's statement to back the team with investment.
Kind of a "If you thought they were telling the truth, stop believing that sh !t because if it were true
posted on 7/6/21
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 18 minutes ago
Firstly, I can't see him coming to England, secondly, my understanding is that he doesn't speak English. Whether you like it or not, my view is that you will begin next season with Arteta.
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Neither do I to be honest, I just see it being an enquiry/approach by us is a MUST given his quality and our situation. And an enquiry/approach which would be being made by us shortly, if there was anything the least bit sincere about theke's statement to back the team with investment.
Kind of a "If you thought they were telling the truth, stop believing that sh !t because if it were true
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Tbf when you look across the road at the embarrassment of Conte rejecting Spurs and Levy, I can sort of understand why they aren't going for it, even though I agree with you.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
What makes you sure Zidane without money would work at Arsenal?
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His pedigree and experience. He's not someone I see as necessarily HAVING to have a Real bankroll to build a good football team. Just someone who had the quality to be given the job that bankroll came with pretty much straight off the bat. And remember I'm talking about getting this team that would already be in Europe next season if Arteta wasn't totally clueless. Back to EL at the least and maybe even CL for 22/23 (I don't fancy Arteta's chances at all).
Given that the team plus loanees back is already strong enough to get the job done, why you think Zidane would need vast cash injections for that, I don't know. Now if you're talking WIN the PL or CL then yes but our immediate goal is a return to European (preferably CL) football, it's a much lower bar and we already have the players to do it without a big cash outlay first. Once back in CL, then he/we would need to be concerned with needing big money. But for now it just needs a manager with some kinda clue how to manage a team of players and it'll be a cake walk back to Europe for one with as much of a clue as Zidane.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
Lets face it. Only an idiot would back Arteta with bucket loads of money after watching how poorly Partey and Gabriel have performed under Arteta.
But for whatever reason Kroenke doesn't have the balls to sack Arteta either. Which is not surprising because he kept Wenger in charge for far longer than he deserved.
So we are stuck.
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He never kept Wenger because he didn't have the balls to sack him, he kept him because he was a cash cow with CL qualification on a budget nobody else could do it with for 15 years.
Wenger did not ruin AFC KE has. By undermining Wenger's efforts with his "I'm gonna run this like my US franchises approach to his PL team and a repeated hamstringing on fees every transfer market for a decade. Wenger held the rot off as long as it could have been held.
Wenger made his errors but the number one obstacle to him recreating his early success was the ke way of doing things.Same thing we've seen feckin stuff up even worse since Wenger left. So instead of fans still continuing to blame Wenger for the mess we're now in, they should just be grateful it never happened 10 years earlier. He was the dam that finally burst under the pressure of holding all that water back. Not the flooding waters that drowned and still are drowning the the club, THAT WAS STAN and his kid.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Kroenke_out (U21076)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
Zidane's success at Madrid was all about man management and handling the egos in the dressing room, the Arsenal job is a totally different proposition. Also not the right manager to bring through the youth as others have said. Any top manager with common sense would stay well clear of us right now, the job is a bit of a poisoned chalice. Poor squad, not much money, no direction from the owners/board but expectations are still high.
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But to be fair a vacant job is rarely going to be available at a club where everything is rosy.
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Managers can underperform but the club can have potential to do much better like Tuchel and Chelsea, the only way was up for him and the squad they have but with Arsenal there's more risk than upside for any top tier established manager.
posted on 7/6/21
Tbf when you look across the road at the embarrassment of Conte rejecting Spurs and Levy, I can sort of understand why they aren't going for it, even though I agree with you.
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