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Has Levy Raised The White Flag?

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posted on 10/6/21

comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Huddlestone's Afro - Rock you like a Hurr... (U15375)
posted 5 minutes ago
I'd take new owners in a flash but I think we lose our perspective sometimes about where the club is - tell it to Saints fans who lose their best players every year, or Newcastle fans with Ashley in charge, or anybody outside of the top 6-8.

Spurs were in a cycle that should have ended with a trophy won in the first year of the new stadium - we didn't. Levy got desperate and tried to force the window open for an extra season or 2 with 'Mr Trophy' himself, that failed too.

Look, bottom line is that Levy should have gone, instead he's hired a DoF to start the cycle again. Spurs are rebuilding and this talk of not being ambitious enough is just naive in my opinion.
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This is why we will never get anywhere. We as fans need to not just go easy and accept our lot.

We are and have been in the top 10 revenue/wealthiest clubs in the world for a long time. So we shouldnt be comparing ourselves to NUFC or Saints with all respect.
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I appreciate that and I certainly think ENIC have now reached their end with us but until the leave (and let's face it, they aren't listening to us) we are where we are. It ultimately goes beyond Spurs though, we're seemingly powerless as fans these day.

posted on 10/6/21

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 minutes ago
I get that it's not Fonseca's fault but I honestly don't care what that guy thinks. I'd like to think every Spurs fan will be walking down the High Road with burning torches after this. We can't let ENIC keep doing this.

Building the stadium was like the marquee, world class signing for the business. The business. Not the pitch. Revenue is gained from TV rights these days, not gate receipts so it will make little difference to our transfer budget. It just lines the coffers of the owners a little more. They will never, ever spend money. Not really. We had a chance, when Poch was here to really kick on. We didn't. That's the true measure of the club.

I want them gone now and I don't really care who comes in to replace them. We're in purgatory right now.
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Agreed.

Conte and Poch not going through showed Levy has no ambition. I thought at the very least we'd get Ten Hag in and potentially progress.

However, Fonseca is a joke. I have no issue with the bloke himself, it's a great job for him. But he is not good enough and highly likely to fail.

If it goes through I will try to get a refund on my season ticket. If that doesn't work I will try and sell every ticket i can. If there are no takers I will turn up and watch the game, but I will happily boo at half time and full time if we're rubbish. I will not abuse the manager, it's not his fault. But I will join in with every ENIC/Levy out chant.

Imo we will not be playing CL football again under ENIC. They have well and truly given up if Fonseca comes in and no money us is spent this summer.
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100% agree. I think Fonseca is the final straw for me. If Poch and Conte proved out of reach then the sensible choice was Ten Hag. How the hell can he be out of reach? If we're refusing to pay off Ajax for him yet we're willing to match Conte's wage demands of 20m a year then something is off. To cast them all aside and go for a man that hasn't achieved a thing in management just to save a couple of mill is frankly staggering.

If this is true about Paratici's involvement in the deal then how the hell can someone just barge in and take control of the managerial appointment? He has no track record in that regard. I get that a DoF needs to have a say in the appointment to create the necessary harmony but he's made an absolute guff choice. My feeling is that he knows him and he's giving the role to his mate. A "do us a favour, son" job.

posted on 10/6/21

The rumours are we have been turned down by everyone we have approached and this Roma bloke is the best we could get that would accept.

If that’s true then wow. Just wow.

posted on 10/6/21

comment by Serial WUManiser™© 🇵🇸 (U1410)
posted 46 minutes ago
Is the club’s finances in more dire straights than we are aware of?
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Genuine interest, Spurs fans have seen arsenal move to a new stadium and undergo 10 years of financial struggles. Did y'all seriously think Spurs would be anything different?
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Yes, for apparent and obvious reasons. How come?

comment by Ace (U22467)

posted on 10/6/21

comment by Serial WUManiser™© 🇵🇸 (U1410)
posted 50 minutes ago
Is the club’s finances in more dire straights than we are aware of?
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Genuine interest, Spurs fans have seen arsenal move to a new stadium and undergo 10 years of financial struggles. Did y'all seriously think Spurs would be anything different?
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Y’all? Are you from Texas now or something?

posted on 10/6/21

If someone pumped x-amount off money into your club and it didn't work, what would happen?..

And anybody that did, if it went bad and they decided to sell up, would they not expect monies spent back, or would they expect what fans seem to and lose it?..

What people should be hoping is that if someone did take the club over, they get it with the Stadium, because I'd think paying for that along with money they might want to invest would leave you no better off than you now are!..

posted on 10/6/21

comment by Huddlestone's Afro - Rock you like a HurriKane! (U15375)
posted 16 minutes ago
I'd take new owners in a flash but I think we lose our perspective sometimes about where the club is - tell it to Saints fans who lose their best players every year, or Newcastle fans with Ashley in charge, or anybody outside of the top 6-8.

Spurs were in a cycle that should have ended with a trophy won in the first year of the new stadium - we didn't. Levy got desperate and tried to force the window open for an extra season or 2 with 'Mr Trophy' himself, that failed too.

Look, bottom line is that Levy should have gone, instead he's hired a DoF to start the cycle again. Spurs are rebuilding and this talk of not being ambitious enough is just naive in my opinion.
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Why is it naive?

If you look at the possible appointments Levy could have made then this has all the hallmarks of a club lacking in ambition. Removing Poch and Conte from the debate for a second, if you're looking for the types that share the same progressive ethos the club wants then you'd probably say that Ten Hag and Potter are the two that share that profile. One has taken Ajax to the CL semis playing amazing football and dominating the Dutch League. The other has taken a stagnant Brighton team that previously defended their way to scrape survival every year and turned them into a smart, well oiled attacking team with an xG the top clubs look at with envy. These are just two managers that fit the profile AND have a clear pedigree of success. They're also both at clubs meaning they will require a compensation fee for their services.

Then theres Fonseca. A journeyman with 11 clubs in 15 years as manager. His only real experience of top level management is in Serie A, where he failed to get Roman anywhere near CL football and won 4 out of 24 games against the top 8 in the league. They finished 7th last year before he was sacked and replaced with the man we've just sacked. He's also one of very few managers to take charge of Porto and not win the league. I believe he finished third. He has virtually no track record that would suggest this is a man on the up. He's plateaued at being very, very average. He's been at it for 15 years. He's not exactly an apprentice. Oh, but guess what, he's free and won't cost the club a penny.

THAT's why this stinks of a lack of ambition. I'd love to hear your reasons to the contrary.

posted on 10/6/21

Fonseca is much better than some of the overzealous comments on here

posted on 10/6/21

*would leave you to believe

posted on 10/6/21

comment by Edinspur - voted Spurs poster of the year 20-21 (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
Fonseca is much better than some of the overzealous comments on here
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Care to elaborate? It's very easy to come on here and play the pragmatist but what hard evidence do you have that this is anything other than a financially driven, cut costs appointment.

My guess is you don't know diddlysquat about Fonseca. Not saying I do other than the bits I've read in the last 24 hours but I can't stand it when fans start pouring cold water on our anger just because they think they know more than than the rest of us. Prove it.

posted on 10/6/21

comment by Citizen Smeg. Viva la revolution (U6574)
posted 26 minutes ago
The rumours are we have been turned down by everyone we have approached and this Roma bloke is the best we could get that would accept.

If that’s true then wow. Just wow.
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Can't imagine why Ten Hag would turn Spurs down, when it's been publicly and repeatedly made clear that he's 5th choice at best

This really has been bungled.

posted on 10/6/21

Lolol look here Fridge, I know it’s your M.O. to come on here and get unnecessarily hysterical and petulant. However there is no ‘pragmatism’ about it, it’s reacting to the situation like a grown up.

We hired a DOF to be in charge for footballing issues - one of his main jobs is to appoint the manager. Our DOF has Fonseca as one of his top candidates - it’s pretty simple.

Regarding the manager himself? I’ve known about him for a while and have said on numerous occasions that Everton should have signed him when he left Shakhtar. He did a brilliant job both there and at Braga.

I’ve actually been less impressed with him regarding the job he did at Roma, however the heavy European trouncing’s can be excused as that’s part of their DNA.

posted on 10/6/21

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Huddlestone's Afro - Rock you like a HurriKane! (U15375)
posted 16 minutes ago
I'd take new owners in a flash but I think we lose our perspective sometimes about where the club is - tell it to Saints fans who lose their best players every year, or Newcastle fans with Ashley in charge, or anybody outside of the top 6-8.

Spurs were in a cycle that should have ended with a trophy won in the first year of the new stadium - we didn't. Levy got desperate and tried to force the window open for an extra season or 2 with 'Mr Trophy' himself, that failed too.

Look, bottom line is that Levy should have gone, instead he's hired a DoF to start the cycle again. Spurs are rebuilding and this talk of not being ambitious enough is just naive in my opinion.
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Why is it naive?

If you look at the possible appointments Levy could have made then this has all the hallmarks of a club lacking in ambition. Removing Poch and Conte from the debate for a second, if you're looking for the types that share the same progressive ethos the club wants then you'd probably say that Ten Hag and Potter are the two that share that profile. One has taken Ajax to the CL semis playing amazing football and dominating the Dutch League. The other has taken a stagnant Brighton team that previously defended their way to scrape survival every year and turned them into a smart, well oiled attacking team with an xG the top clubs look at with envy. These are just two managers that fit the profile AND have a clear pedigree of success. They're also both at clubs meaning they will require a compensation fee for their services.

Then theres Fonseca. A journeyman with 11 clubs in 15 years as manager. His only real experience of top level management is in Serie A, where he failed to get Roman anywhere near CL football and won 4 out of 24 games against the top 8 in the league. They finished 7th last year before he was sacked and replaced with the man we've just sacked. He's also one of very few managers to take charge of Porto and not win the league. I believe he finished third. He has virtually no track record that would suggest this is a man on the up. He's plateaued at being very, very average. He's been at it for 15 years. He's not exactly an apprentice. Oh, but guess what, he's free and won't cost the club a penny.

THAT's why this stinks of a lack of ambition. I'd love to hear your reasons to the contrary.
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I respect your point of view here and I'm as frustrated as anyone but I personally think that there's ambition and then there's blind foolishness. Going for Poch and Conte WAS ambitious, paying the price to get either of them was too much to ask - that's not a lack of ambition it's pragmatism.

Levy then handed the search over to the new DoF and he picked his man. I'm sure the lack of compensation helped but I personally think that anybody outside of Poch and Conte is a complete coin filp, so why not go for someone who will gel with the new DoF.

posted on 10/6/21

comment by Huddlestone's Afro - Rock you like a HurriKane! (U15375)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Huddlestone's Afro - Rock you like a HurriKane! (U15375)
posted 16 minutes ago
I'd take new owners in a flash but I think we lose our perspective sometimes about where the club is - tell it to Saints fans who lose their best players every year, or Newcastle fans with Ashley in charge, or anybody outside of the top 6-8.

Spurs were in a cycle that should have ended with a trophy won in the first year of the new stadium - we didn't. Levy got desperate and tried to force the window open for an extra season or 2 with 'Mr Trophy' himself, that failed too.

Look, bottom line is that Levy should have gone, instead he's hired a DoF to start the cycle again. Spurs are rebuilding and this talk of not being ambitious enough is just naive in my opinion.
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Why is it naive?

If you look at the possible appointments Levy could have made then this has all the hallmarks of a club lacking in ambition. Removing Poch and Conte from the debate for a second, if you're looking for the types that share the same progressive ethos the club wants then you'd probably say that Ten Hag and Potter are the two that share that profile. One has taken Ajax to the CL semis playing amazing football and dominating the Dutch League. The other has taken a stagnant Brighton team that previously defended their way to scrape survival every year and turned them into a smart, well oiled attacking team with an xG the top clubs look at with envy. These are just two managers that fit the profile AND have a clear pedigree of success. They're also both at clubs meaning they will require a compensation fee for their services.

Then theres Fonseca. A journeyman with 11 clubs in 15 years as manager. His only real experience of top level management is in Serie A, where he failed to get Roman anywhere near CL football and won 4 out of 24 games against the top 8 in the league. They finished 7th last year before he was sacked and replaced with the man we've just sacked. He's also one of very few managers to take charge of Porto and not win the league. I believe he finished third. He has virtually no track record that would suggest this is a man on the up. He's plateaued at being very, very average. He's been at it for 15 years. He's not exactly an apprentice. Oh, but guess what, he's free and won't cost the club a penny.

THAT's why this stinks of a lack of ambition. I'd love to hear your reasons to the contrary.
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I respect your point of view here and I'm as frustrated as anyone but I personally think that there's ambition and then there's blind foolishness. Going for Poch and Conte WAS ambitious, paying the price to get either of them was too much to ask - that's not a lack of ambition it's pragmatism.

Levy then handed the search over to the new DoF and he picked his man. I'm sure the lack of compensation helped but I personally think that anybody outside of Poch and Conte is a complete coin filp, so why not go for someone who will gel with the new DoF.


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Because surely he has to show some semblance of a manager on an upward trajectory. Sure, he won at Shakhtar but who doesn't?! There might be plenty of managers in League Two that would get on well with Paratici but you wouldn't want them taking charge of the team. You can't just plump for the nearest yes man. Where was Fonseca on his list when he was helping to appoint 4 managers after Conte left Juve? Nowhere.

This is clearly an appointment advised by Paratici based on the financial restrictions the club have laid out. It seems convenient that he's gone for a manager in Serie A and not looked elsewhere. What's wrong with Potter? He's employed so he'd cost money.

Sorry, if you pay the most for season tickets in the Premier League then you expect the same level of investment from the club elsewhere. If they can be frugal, so can we. I'll pocket that money and spend it on something worthwhile.

posted on 10/6/21

someone who failed to get Roma into the CL positions in Italy and was then sacked as a result.

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He wasn't sacked, they just didn't renew his contract. It might seem like a minor difference but facts are important.

posted on 10/6/21

comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 10 hours, 4 minutes ago
We are essentially owned by a multi billionaire, if there is a reason why Lewis could not loan the club £200m - £300m or whatever, I would love to hear it.

The problem is, ENIC are insistent on running the club at a profit at all times, they will not speculate to accumulate or compromise the balance sheet.

Best business practice this may be, but it has already proven that it will not put trophies in the cabinet, or keep top players.
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As I have said previously, Joe Lewis and Tavistock expect all their satellite companies like THFC Plc to operate as stand alone businesses. If they cannot manage that then Lewis and Tavistock will not bail them out.
Would you rather have the Glazers, who have robbed United blind?🤔🤬😤

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