" but he could be the Portuguese Christian Gross !!"

No, he's the Portuguese Dean Saunders

Could Ten Hag not be the dutch Christian Gross, if we're gonna be assuming the worst about Fonseca?

I cannot understand that, if he's available, we're not all in on Ten Hag. He's perfect for a club with little in the way of budget, he can work with the youth set up and we'll pay him a damn sight more than Ajax. He was second choice for Bayern after Nagelsmann. That should tell us enough. His pedigree far outstrips Fonseca, who has been at this for 15 with moderate success at lower clubs and top level failings. Ten Hag is in another league to him.

That said, we don't know the true facts. He may have said thanks but no thanks. If he was once being courted by Bayern, he's probably not interested in us. I'd be happy with his appointment though. That for me would be a sign of a club still with a little shred of ambition left. Get Fonseca in and it's such a flat, underwhelming choice I can see us flirting with the bottom half next year.

I've heard people say that Poch wasn't fancied when he joined us but that's rubbish. He'd previously taken a team close to relegation and turned them into a top 8 team. Fonseca is NOT that guy.

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Maybe it is a `jobs for the boys` situation and Paratici wants Fonseca

Potter > ten Hag > Fonseca

Would be my order of preference but that doesn't make Fonseca an awful appointment

comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 17 minutes ago
I am not against the idea of Fonseca having read more and looked into him more.

But if he’s available I would prefer ETH as I think he’s more of an up and coming manager who will go further in the game.

I had read here and there that he had turned us down, due to being 5th choice and the general circus that has been our manager hunt.

I think any ambitious manager would look at Spurs and think twice as it’s definitely the kind of job that has the potential to harm your reputation, working with someone with as bad a reputation as Levy seems to have these days.

Rodgers for example would’ve stomped his own mother to death for the job if we’d approached him while he was at Celtic, when Leicester did. But now, having shown his worth there, he wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole because it has the potential to damage his current good stock and prevent him getting one of the A list jobs that he undoubtedly has his eye on. Why take a sideways step from Leicester to Spurs to have Levy make you look a mug, when Ole might not see out the season at Utd?

Ten Hag may have a similar stance. Ajax is a solid European club and the top club in Holland. If he keeps doing well a better opportunity than Spurs may arrive, but the way Levy has treated managers - not backing then sacking, would have you question whether it would do you more harm than good in the long run to take that job. Always in life you have to calculate risk vs reward, and I do think certain managers may view us as too risky for their careers.

Fonseca on the other hand - he’s unemployed and realistically this is the best opportunity he’s gonna get so not only is he easier to get over the line, but he’ll also be perceived by Levy to be more malleable to his way of running a club.

I’d be stunned at this point if it was anyone other than Fonseca.
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Exactly. Fonseca is the grateful type and we all know what they tend to look like.

I think a lot of fans are coming around to Fonseca as they just can't bear the idea that this is an appointment driven by frugality and nothing else. They prefer to believe this is a well crafted plan and that we've spotted a flicker of genius in a man who's entire managerial career is defined by mediocrity, aside from some success at Shakhtar, which is par for the course for them.

It's not a genius plan. It's a cheap plan for a club that has found itself, through a combination of bad luck and terrible decision making, effing broke without a pot to piddle in. THAT's why Fonseca is coming in. He's a plan based on the fact we have an ownership not prepared to spend.

comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Could Ten Hag not be the dutch Christian Gross, if we're gonna be assuming the worst about Fonseca?
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This...its easier to win dutch league with Ajax than win Ukrainian league with Donesk 3 timed in a row plus win first Cup for Portuguese club in 50 years.

Plus Fonseca outmanouvered Tag with tactics in Europa league. But hey..because some fans only know Ajax as a club, Fonseca must be worst than Ten Hag.

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posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Could Ten Hag not be the dutch Christian Gross, if we're gonna be assuming the worst about Fonseca?
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This...its easier to win dutch league with Ajax than win Ukrainian league with Donesk 3 timed in a row plus win first Cup for Portuguese club in 50 years.

Plus Fonseca outmanouvered Tag with tactics in Europa league. But hey..because some fans only know Ajax as a club, Fonseca must be worst than Ten Hag.
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https://youtu.be/bgO5qm4chYs

Fonsecas Roma beat Ten Hags Ajax over two legs. Fonseca has silverware in 2 different leagues compared to Ten Hag obe

Fonseca has managed in 3 different leagues compared to Ten Hag one

But yet to some Ten Hag still more qualified.

*one

This Fonseca saga reminds me a lot of the time we hired Woy.

Wrong man for the job but fans will cling onto the “brighter” spells in his career in the hope he can recreate it

comment by Shark Lives Matter #SLM 🐟 (U22339)
posted 1 minute ago
This Fonseca saga reminds me a lot of the time we hired Woy.

Wrong man for the job but fans will cling onto the “brighter” spells in his career in the hope he can recreate it
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More like Jose appointment

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comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Shark Lives Matter #SLM 🐟 (U22339)
posted 1 minute ago
This Fonseca saga reminds me a lot of the time we hired Woy.

Wrong man for the job but fans will cling onto the “brighter” spells in his career in the hope he can recreate it
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More like Jose appointment
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Unlike Jose, it seems Fonseca's best achievements have been in his last 6 year's of coaching. In other words, he's on the way up rather than the way down. He's still only 48, not exactly old in football management terms.

comment by Firkin (U19526)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Shark Lives Matter #SLM 🐟 (U22339)
posted 1 minute ago
This Fonseca saga reminds me a lot of the time we hired Woy.

Wrong man for the job but fans will cling onto the “brighter” spells in his career in the hope he can recreate it
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More like Jose appointment
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Unlike Jose, it seems Fonseca's best achievements have been in his last 6 year's of coaching. In other words, he's on the way up rather than the way down. He's still only 48, not exactly old in football management terms.
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On the way up? He took over a team in the CL in Roma and in two seasons finished 5th and 7th, out of not only the CL but the EL too.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Firkin (U19526)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Shark Lives Matter #SLM 🐟 (U22339)
posted 1 minute ago
This Fonseca saga reminds me a lot of the time we hired Woy.

Wrong man for the job but fans will cling onto the “brighter” spells in his career in the hope he can recreate it
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More like Jose appointment
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Unlike Jose, it seems Fonseca's best achievements have been in his last 6 year's of coaching. In other words, he's on the way up rather than the way down. He's still only 48, not exactly old in football management terms.
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On the way up? He took over a team in the CL in Roma and in two seasons finished 5th and 7th, out of not only the CL but the EL too.
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Not true: under Ranieri they finished 6th. He left, then Fonseca joined as manager.

comment by Shark Lives Matter #SLM 🐟 (U22339)
posted 58 minutes ago
This Fonseca saga reminds me a lot of the time we hired Woy.

Wrong man for the job but fans will cling onto the “brighter” spells in his career in the hope he can recreate it
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Who is the right man? Appointments are time and chance. Nothing more. Many Arsenal fans didn't want Wenger, Many United fans didn't want Sir Alex, Many Chelsea fans didn't want Tuchel.

There's no quick fix or guarantees. The only thing we can control is how we spend our transfer budgets. This is what I want to see done properly. Its not about spending..its about improving. Our defence needs big improvements.

A good coach is great but it's the players that are most important.

In other words you can't polish a 💩 but you can sprinkle glitter on it.

Spurs need to get their summer transfer absolutely spot on this year, there's little room for error.

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
A good coach is great but it's the players that are most important.

In other words you can't polish a 💩 but you can sprinkle glitter on it.

Spurs need to get their summer transfer absolutely spot on this year, there's little room for error.
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Spurs will either stumble totally by accident into a set up that works, or, more likely get it as far away from spot on as is humanly possible.

Ten Haag has no option but to nurture talent, let’s be honest here