No, not really. But having a set piece coach can’t be a bad thing. Though I think some of our issues are down to the players as well, we don’t have that many that are good in the air and we all know De Gea’s problems with coming to collect the ball.

But if Henderson is number one, Varane comes in and we have a set piece coach that should see us concede fewer from set pieces over the course of the season, you’d expect.

Losing Pogba could be an issue, however. He’s very good in air.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
United agreed personal terms with Sancho long before agreeing a fee with Dortmund

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Not according to the club website.

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/man-utd-statement-on-transfer-of-jadon-sancho-from-borussia-dortmund

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Do you really think the club are going to come out and say we had this agreed with him months ago he just needs to sign it?

It isn't how you do transfers either. Contract talks generally come after the two clubs have reached an agreement. Not before. That could well be deemed as unlawful.
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It could but we all know it happens.

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I am sure it does, but it isn't standard practice. For us to talk to Varane without Real's permission is called tapping up.

It isn't unlawful if you have the permission of the selling club

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I know.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
United agreed personal terms with Sancho long before agreeing a fee with Dortmund

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Not according to the club website.

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/man-utd-statement-on-transfer-of-jadon-sancho-from-borussia-dortmund

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In fairness, his salary and length of contract do seem to have been agreed right back to last year. Obviously United are going to report it as the official process would have it. I'm pretty sure the contract has been long agreed, at least in principle.

Once he's announced, we can check the reports from a year ago and a month ago which suggest these details and if they match then either there's some very good guessing going on or this sort of thing is unofficially sounded out and agreed before all the details are then ironed out with the club.

To be fair, this seems to be a more common thing these days. Even with Varane, it seems we've approached Real and his people, both parties have given the green light to talk further, we want to agree the terms with Varane in principle and then go about the bid. I thin Romano had said Real have said we can talon to the player and then we will make a bid, my best guess is its to stop with time wsdting in agreeing everything with the club and then finding out the player doesn't want to come.

Do you really think the club are going to come out and say we had this agreed with him months ago he just needs to sign it?

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I see, I back up what I say with something from the club and you don't like it. At least I know not to take you seriously.

I wait anxiously for your proof contrary to this.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It isn't how you do transfers either. Contract talks generally come after the two clubs have reached an agreement. Not before. That could well be deemed as unlawful.
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It could but we all know it happens.

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I am sure it does, but it isn't standard practice. For us to talk to Varane without Real's permission is called tapping up.
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They seem to have given permission though - based on reports. We just haven't agreed a fee with them yet.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 34 seconds ago
Do you really think the club are going to come out and say we had this agreed with him months ago he just needs to sign it?

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I see, I back up what I say with something from the club and you don't like it. At least I know not to take you seriously.

I wait anxiously for your proof contrary to this.
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I don’t have any proof but I have as much proof as you at the same time.

comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It isn't how you do transfers either. Contract talks generally come after the two clubs have reached an agreement. Not before. That could well be deemed as unlawful.
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It could but we all know it happens.

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I am sure it does, but it isn't standard practice. For us to talk to Varane without Real's permission is called tapping up.
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They seem to have given permission though - based on reports. We just haven't agreed a fee with them yet.
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Even if they didn't, I think it's pretty common knowledge that the 'tapping up' rule is complete nonsense and largely ignored anyway.

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It isn't how you do transfers either. Contract talks generally come after the two clubs have reached an agreement. Not before. That could well be deemed as unlawful.
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It could but we all know it happens.

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I am sure it does, but it isn't standard practice. For us to talk to Varane without Real's permission is called tapping up.
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They seem to have given permission though - based on reports. We just haven't agreed a fee with them yet.
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Even if they didn't, I think it's pretty common knowledge that the 'tapping up' rule is complete nonsense and largely ignored anyway.
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Yeah, I expect it would only really matter when the selling club has absolutely no intention or desire to sell the player and feel he's been disrupted. At that point I imagine a complaint would be lodged but outside of that, especially with the tech and communication we have these days, it's probably almost impossible to police.

I'm pretty sure the contract has been long agreed, at least in principle.

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Hopefully you will be able to find some kind of evidence of this then, bearing in mind we only recently reached agreement with Dortmund.

I very much doubt Judge is competent enough to do this without any journalist finding out.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm pretty sure the contract has been long agreed, at least in principle.

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Hopefully you will be able to find some kind of evidence of this then, bearing in mind we only recently reached agreement with Dortmund.

I very much doubt Judge is competent enough to do this without any journalist finding out.
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Credible journalists reported terms were agreed with Sancho long before the fee was agreed.

'Tapping up' feels like a very 1990s concept. Whatever the rules are, they have become impossible to police and therefore obsolete in an era where intermediaries can freely have hypothetical conversations about interest in joining another club and what their terms would be in that eventuality.

The days of manager wearing dark glasses and collars turned up while meeting player in motorway service station are long gone. I remember thinking the same thing when Beckham agreed terms with Real Madrid less than 24 hours after United relented and agreed to sell him.

My god, tweeted by Mohamed Bouhafsi, got to be correct Yesssss




Who the fack is Mohamed Bouhafsi ?

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
I'm pretty sure the contract has been long agreed, at least in principle.

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Hopefully you will be able to find some kind of evidence of this then, bearing in mind we only recently reached agreement with Dortmund.

I very much doubt Judge is competent enough to do this without any journalist finding out.
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It's fairly widely reported, Romano has said for quite some time now - even before the window opened - that terms were agreed last year, these won't be a problem in getting the deal done etc.

Once he signs, we can find out the length of the contract and his salary and will ultimately know for sure if they were right or not but I don't see what Romano has to gain from just making it up though. He's made his reputation on being right more often than he's not and he's been pretty much on the money about the progression of this transfer since last July.

Liverpool tap players up all the time and nothing ever happens, even when clubs actually try to do something like Southampton did.

Credible journalists reported terms were agreed with Sancho long before the fee was agreed.

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Not that credible then are they, as that is what is happening now.

comment by Gareth The King Southgate (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
Liverpool tap players up all the time and nothing ever happens, even when clubs actually try to do something like Southampton did.
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Didn't Liverpool abruptly drop their pursuit of VVD because they got caught with their pants down trying to tap him up.

It was widely reported last summer that United and Sancho had agreed contracts and the stumbling block was the fee with Dortmund. Pretty sure it’s common practise these days, I even remember Real agreeing contracts with Ronaldo before we agreed a fee.

Teams agree contract details with players before fees all the time.

There is a.difdernce.betqeen the buying club negotiating wages with the player.via.his agent, and signing a contract with a player.without agreeing a deal with the club first.

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm pretty sure the contract has been long agreed, at least in principle.

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Hopefully you will be able to find some kind of evidence of this then, bearing in mind we only recently reached agreement with Dortmund.

I very much doubt Judge is competent enough to do this without any journalist finding out.
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Credible journalists reported terms were agreed with Sancho long before the fee was agreed.
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Credible my ar5e

I don’t have any proof

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And yet I did. Imagine that.

comment by Who's Kissing Cameras (U1703)
posted 38 minutes ago
Teams agree contract details with players before fees all the time.
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All the time is a stretch. A very big one. Yes it happens. Especially when the clubs are in agreement.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 44 minutes ago
I don’t have any proof

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And yet I did. Imagine that.
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What proof? Writing on a club website? About as credible as a managers press conference.