If White is worth 50 million, how much would we get for Llorente?
comment by All the Bielsa ringing (U19827)
posted 7 minutes ago
If White is worth 50 million, how much would we get for Llorente?
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Probably about £25m
I think the fair values are more like £40m for White & £20m for Llorente.
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by All the Bielsa ringing (U19827)
posted 7 minutes ago
If White is worth 50 million, how much would we get for Llorente?
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Probably about £25m
I think the fair values are more like £40m for White & £20m for Llorente.
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Faith, you've got that the wrong way surely, White has potential but at this point in his career twice the value of a multi-capped Spanish international, don't see it.
Multi capped international doesn’t mean nearly as much as watching them play. We have seen plenty of both of them now.
And White is the better player in almost every aspect. Llorente is a better passer of the ball but can’t think of anywhere else White doesn’t have the edge.
Also White is 4 years his junior and has a better injury record.
He was clearly a gifted ball player but I was never that convinced by white defensively/physically at Leeds but he’s had a good a very good year at Brighton and he’s the right age. Wound I rather have him or lorrente? Not much in it in terms of what they would bring to the team today. Who’s worth the most money? White by a distance, it’s the age and nationality. Llorente is 28 next month. Arsenal have themselves a ball playing centre half just maturing into his prime who can be a mainstay of the team for years to come. He’s an investment and valued accordingly.
Llorente and koch together are much better value and I'd take signing the two of them over signing white any day of the week
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 8 minutes ago
Llorente and koch together are much better value and I'd take signing the two of them over signing white any day of the week
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Exactly what we needed. Much better to get two cbs the quality we have for 31M than white for 30M.
Good player but we wouldn't have finished in 9th if we had got just white imo.
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 8 minutes ago
Llorente and koch together are much better value and I'd take signing the two of them over signing white any day of the week
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Exactly what we needed. Much better to get two cbs the quality we have for 31M than white for 30M.
Good player but we wouldn't have finished in 9th if we had got just white imo.
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yup, white was inducted into the marcelo ethos & performed admirably how ever for £18 mill less, the combined price for llorente and koch are outstanding signings
Reading we are in for Farid Boulaya, never heard of him but that's no surprise
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 6 hours, 36 minutes ago
Multi capped international doesn’t mean nearly as much as watching them play. We have seen plenty of both of them now.
And White is the better player in almost every aspect. Llorente is a better passer of the ball but can’t think of anywhere else White doesn’t have the edge.
Also White is 4 years his junior and has a better injury record.
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Did we really see enough of Llorente to judge, and 27, the guy is at his prime, White played for us in a division below. It was noticeable how much better we were defensively when we had Diego at the heart of our defence. Hardly saw Koch at all, 25 year old german international. Much rather have the options of those two for less money.
But back to the original point, White double the value of Llorente surely not?
comment by Elsbels - Just Some Guy (U21658)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 6 hours, 36 minutes ago
Multi capped international doesn’t mean nearly as much as watching them play. We have seen plenty of both of them now.
And White is the better player in almost every aspect. Llorente is a better passer of the ball but can’t think of anywhere else White doesn’t have the edge.
Also White is 4 years his junior and has a better injury record.
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Did we really see enough of Llorente to judge, and 27, the guy is at his prime, White played for us in a division below. It was noticeable how much better we were defensively when we had Diego at the heart of our defence. Hardly saw Koch at all, 25 year old german international. Much rather have the options of those two for less money.
But back to the original point, White double the value of Llorente surely not?
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I too would prefer to have the two we have for the money.
And yes still think White is worth twice the amount of Llorente for the reasons I stated.
I disagree about White’s quality in the Premiership. He played well against us but often at Brighton, he looked unsure of himself, and got caught out between defense and midfield. I think he looked a lot better under Bielsa under Cooper’s wing, where he was given license to run from the back. That’s not to say he won’t improve, but he does not compare to Llorente at the moment. It is no coincidence that our final 10 games coincided with Llorente’s longest run in the team and we gave virtually nothing away. If Llorente can stay injury free this season, we will see the difference between the potential of Ben White and the finesse of a Spanish international.
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 3 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - Just Some Guy (U21658)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 6 hours, 36 minutes ago
Multi capped international doesn’t mean nearly as much as watching them play. We have seen plenty of both of them now.
And White is the better player in almost every aspect. Llorente is a better passer of the ball but can’t think of anywhere else White doesn’t have the edge.
Also White is 4 years his junior and has a better injury record.
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Did we really see enough of Llorente to judge, and 27, the guy is at his prime, White played for us in a division below. It was noticeable how much better we were defensively when we had Diego at the heart of our defence. Hardly saw Koch at all, 25 year old german international. Much rather have the options of those two for less money.
But back to the original point, White double the value of Llorente surely not?
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I too would prefer to have the two we have for the money.
And yes still think White is worth twice the amount of Llorente for the reasons I stated.
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He is worth more than two Llorente's because the market says he is, but I have to say Faith, I think you are talking nonsense, ATBR has it spot on.
At this point White got into the England squad by default, both Diego and Robin were in their international squads on merit.
I get that you think I'm talking nonsense but you're reasoning is so weak.
8 Apps (4 Starts) for Spain doesn't mean much at all. How many of those games did you watch? How did he do?
Do you really think that clubs are valuing players on this basis? Or do you think they watch them play?
If you think that clubs watch them play to value players why are you arguing about value on the basis of a few appearances for Spain?
If you want to argue that White isn't worth more than Llorente because Llorente is the better player then that makes sense. What have you seen in each other games that bring you to this conclusion.
If you think White & Llorente are a similar standard right now then White is worth a lot more than Llorente because of age difference, White's performance trajectory, and Llorente's injury record.
I'm not sure why there it is so controversial to say White is worth more tbh. It doesn't mean that White is twice the player of Llorente, because he isn't. It doesn't mean we should have signed White, because we shouldn't have.
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
I get that you think I'm talking nonsense but you're reasoning is so weak.
8 Apps (4 Starts) for Spain doesn't mean much at all. How many of those games did you watch? How did he do?
Do you really think that clubs are valuing players on this basis? Or do you think they watch them play?
If you think that clubs watch them play to value players why are you arguing about value on the basis of a few appearances for Spain?
If you want to argue that White isn't worth more than Llorente because Llorente is the better player then that makes sense. What have you seen in each other games that bring you to this conclusion.
If you think White & Llorente are a similar standard right now then White is worth a lot more than Llorente because of age difference, White's performance trajectory, and Llorente's injury record.
I'm not sure why there it is so controversial to say White is worth more tbh. It doesn't mean that White is twice the player of Llorente, because he isn't. It doesn't mean we should have signed White, because we shouldn't have.
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Faith, are you taking into account the English factor, where the value of players is automatically inflated by the fact the play in the Premier League, in my view we got both Llorente and Klich at a snip and Arsenal are paying way over the odds because of the way the market is in England.
Absurd to say White is worth twice that of a seasoned international let alone three times the value.
I said I think White is worth £40m and Llorente £20m.
Arsenal are paying £10m more probably because of the English bias. Which does have some value because experience in the current league reduces the risk of the player being able to adapt. But I am not taking that into account anyway.
I'm saying that White is worth double because he's the better player, he's 4 years younger with higher potential and he's got a better injury record. He will likely move on from Arsenal in a couple of season for an even greater fee. We will not be able to make a profit on Llorente if we were to sell.
You seem to be putting a massive proportion of value on Llorente being a 'seasoned international' which I don't think is how it works at all. It's about how good the player is, his age and potential.
Llorente is also not a seasoned international. He's started two competitive games, both qualifiers, the second he was subbed off at half time when Spain were 1-0 down to Gibraltar. This is a player that is about to turn 28 next month.
You also seem to be confusing all of the above with a different subject which is 'which is the better signing for us?' and at the prices we have definitely made the correct decision in signing both Koch & Llorente for £19m less than White. Koch & Llorente at those prices were far better signings for us.
I would say White is more valuable than Llorente, but would have it as more 40 vs 30, and not 40 vs 20. Llorente was signed for 17ish off the back of a mediocre season, but prior to that has been consistently highly rated. Would probably have more caps, but CB has hardly been a position that Spain have been in lacking in during his younger years.
I'd be disappointed if we got less than 30 for Llorente, so thats where I roughly consider his value to be.
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posted on 18/7/21
If White is worth 50 million, how much would we get for Llorente?
posted on 18/7/21
comment by All the Bielsa ringing (U19827)
posted 7 minutes ago
If White is worth 50 million, how much would we get for Llorente?
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Probably about £25m
I think the fair values are more like £40m for White & £20m for Llorente.
posted on 18/7/21
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by All the Bielsa ringing (U19827)
posted 7 minutes ago
If White is worth 50 million, how much would we get for Llorente?
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Probably about £25m
I think the fair values are more like £40m for White & £20m for Llorente.
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Faith, you've got that the wrong way surely, White has potential but at this point in his career twice the value of a multi-capped Spanish international, don't see it.
posted on 18/7/21
Multi capped international doesn’t mean nearly as much as watching them play. We have seen plenty of both of them now.
And White is the better player in almost every aspect. Llorente is a better passer of the ball but can’t think of anywhere else White doesn’t have the edge.
Also White is 4 years his junior and has a better injury record.
posted on 18/7/21
He was clearly a gifted ball player but I was never that convinced by white defensively/physically at Leeds but he’s had a good a very good year at Brighton and he’s the right age. Wound I rather have him or lorrente? Not much in it in terms of what they would bring to the team today. Who’s worth the most money? White by a distance, it’s the age and nationality. Llorente is 28 next month. Arsenal have themselves a ball playing centre half just maturing into his prime who can be a mainstay of the team for years to come. He’s an investment and valued accordingly.
posted on 18/7/21
Llorente and koch together are much better value and I'd take signing the two of them over signing white any day of the week
posted on 18/7/21
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 8 minutes ago
Llorente and koch together are much better value and I'd take signing the two of them over signing white any day of the week
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Exactly what we needed. Much better to get two cbs the quality we have for 31M than white for 30M.
Good player but we wouldn't have finished in 9th if we had got just white imo.
posted on 18/7/21
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 8 minutes ago
Llorente and koch together are much better value and I'd take signing the two of them over signing white any day of the week
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Exactly what we needed. Much better to get two cbs the quality we have for 31M than white for 30M.
Good player but we wouldn't have finished in 9th if we had got just white imo.
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yup, white was inducted into the marcelo ethos & performed admirably how ever for £18 mill less, the combined price for llorente and koch are outstanding signings
posted on 18/7/21
Reading we are in for Farid Boulaya, never heard of him but that's no surprise
posted on 18/7/21
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 6 hours, 36 minutes ago
Multi capped international doesn’t mean nearly as much as watching them play. We have seen plenty of both of them now.
And White is the better player in almost every aspect. Llorente is a better passer of the ball but can’t think of anywhere else White doesn’t have the edge.
Also White is 4 years his junior and has a better injury record.
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Did we really see enough of Llorente to judge, and 27, the guy is at his prime, White played for us in a division below. It was noticeable how much better we were defensively when we had Diego at the heart of our defence. Hardly saw Koch at all, 25 year old german international. Much rather have the options of those two for less money.
But back to the original point, White double the value of Llorente surely not?
posted on 18/7/21
comment by Elsbels - Just Some Guy (U21658)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 6 hours, 36 minutes ago
Multi capped international doesn’t mean nearly as much as watching them play. We have seen plenty of both of them now.
And White is the better player in almost every aspect. Llorente is a better passer of the ball but can’t think of anywhere else White doesn’t have the edge.
Also White is 4 years his junior and has a better injury record.
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Did we really see enough of Llorente to judge, and 27, the guy is at his prime, White played for us in a division below. It was noticeable how much better we were defensively when we had Diego at the heart of our defence. Hardly saw Koch at all, 25 year old german international. Much rather have the options of those two for less money.
But back to the original point, White double the value of Llorente surely not?
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I too would prefer to have the two we have for the money.
And yes still think White is worth twice the amount of Llorente for the reasons I stated.
posted on 18/7/21
I disagree about White’s quality in the Premiership. He played well against us but often at Brighton, he looked unsure of himself, and got caught out between defense and midfield. I think he looked a lot better under Bielsa under Cooper’s wing, where he was given license to run from the back. That’s not to say he won’t improve, but he does not compare to Llorente at the moment. It is no coincidence that our final 10 games coincided with Llorente’s longest run in the team and we gave virtually nothing away. If Llorente can stay injury free this season, we will see the difference between the potential of Ben White and the finesse of a Spanish international.
posted on 18/7/21
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 3 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - Just Some Guy (U21658)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 6 hours, 36 minutes ago
Multi capped international doesn’t mean nearly as much as watching them play. We have seen plenty of both of them now.
And White is the better player in almost every aspect. Llorente is a better passer of the ball but can’t think of anywhere else White doesn’t have the edge.
Also White is 4 years his junior and has a better injury record.
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Did we really see enough of Llorente to judge, and 27, the guy is at his prime, White played for us in a division below. It was noticeable how much better we were defensively when we had Diego at the heart of our defence. Hardly saw Koch at all, 25 year old german international. Much rather have the options of those two for less money.
But back to the original point, White double the value of Llorente surely not?
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I too would prefer to have the two we have for the money.
And yes still think White is worth twice the amount of Llorente for the reasons I stated.
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He is worth more than two Llorente's because the market says he is, but I have to say Faith, I think you are talking nonsense, ATBR has it spot on.
At this point White got into the England squad by default, both Diego and Robin were in their international squads on merit.
posted on 19/7/21
I get that you think I'm talking nonsense but you're reasoning is so weak.
8 Apps (4 Starts) for Spain doesn't mean much at all. How many of those games did you watch? How did he do?
Do you really think that clubs are valuing players on this basis? Or do you think they watch them play?
If you think that clubs watch them play to value players why are you arguing about value on the basis of a few appearances for Spain?
If you want to argue that White isn't worth more than Llorente because Llorente is the better player then that makes sense. What have you seen in each other games that bring you to this conclusion.
If you think White & Llorente are a similar standard right now then White is worth a lot more than Llorente because of age difference, White's performance trajectory, and Llorente's injury record.
I'm not sure why there it is so controversial to say White is worth more tbh. It doesn't mean that White is twice the player of Llorente, because he isn't. It doesn't mean we should have signed White, because we shouldn't have.
posted on 19/7/21
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
I get that you think I'm talking nonsense but you're reasoning is so weak.
8 Apps (4 Starts) for Spain doesn't mean much at all. How many of those games did you watch? How did he do?
Do you really think that clubs are valuing players on this basis? Or do you think they watch them play?
If you think that clubs watch them play to value players why are you arguing about value on the basis of a few appearances for Spain?
If you want to argue that White isn't worth more than Llorente because Llorente is the better player then that makes sense. What have you seen in each other games that bring you to this conclusion.
If you think White & Llorente are a similar standard right now then White is worth a lot more than Llorente because of age difference, White's performance trajectory, and Llorente's injury record.
I'm not sure why there it is so controversial to say White is worth more tbh. It doesn't mean that White is twice the player of Llorente, because he isn't. It doesn't mean we should have signed White, because we shouldn't have.
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Faith, are you taking into account the English factor, where the value of players is automatically inflated by the fact the play in the Premier League, in my view we got both Llorente and Klich at a snip and Arsenal are paying way over the odds because of the way the market is in England.
Absurd to say White is worth twice that of a seasoned international let alone three times the value.
posted on 19/7/21
I said I think White is worth £40m and Llorente £20m.
Arsenal are paying £10m more probably because of the English bias. Which does have some value because experience in the current league reduces the risk of the player being able to adapt. But I am not taking that into account anyway.
I'm saying that White is worth double because he's the better player, he's 4 years younger with higher potential and he's got a better injury record. He will likely move on from Arsenal in a couple of season for an even greater fee. We will not be able to make a profit on Llorente if we were to sell.
You seem to be putting a massive proportion of value on Llorente being a 'seasoned international' which I don't think is how it works at all. It's about how good the player is, his age and potential.
Llorente is also not a seasoned international. He's started two competitive games, both qualifiers, the second he was subbed off at half time when Spain were 1-0 down to Gibraltar. This is a player that is about to turn 28 next month.
You also seem to be confusing all of the above with a different subject which is 'which is the better signing for us?' and at the prices we have definitely made the correct decision in signing both Koch & Llorente for £19m less than White. Koch & Llorente at those prices were far better signings for us.
posted on 19/7/21
I would say White is more valuable than Llorente, but would have it as more 40 vs 30, and not 40 vs 20. Llorente was signed for 17ish off the back of a mediocre season, but prior to that has been consistently highly rated. Would probably have more caps, but CB has hardly been a position that Spain have been in lacking in during his younger years.
I'd be disappointed if we got less than 30 for Llorente, so thats where I roughly consider his value to be.
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