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Love this use of the word “continued”
Again, until when?
What is it that those who disagree with loosening the restrictions want? What measurables are the target.
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More of the population to be fully vaccinated I would expect.
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How many? What percentage? What happens when everyone who wants to take the vaccination has had it but the total doesn’t meet that target?
Just saying “more” means nothing really
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Not every adult has had the opportunity to have both vaccines so I’d imagine that would be a start.
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Ok. So is it safe to say that your target is that everyone over 18 (plus the few exceptions who are younger) have had the two jabs who want them is the time we loosen all restrictions?
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If by that point every adult in the UK has had two vaccinations minus a small percentage who can’t have it and the case numbers stop rising to scarily high numbers you’d think that would be the time to ease restrictions. Right now to use a cooking analogy it would seem the cake was put in the oven but taken out 20 mins too soon.
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Ok. But we all know that even then case numbers will continue to rise. At a time when seasonality of the virus is at the worst stage and all those other killer respiratory diseases start to hit the vulnerable and the NHS.
There is no easy answer as this clearly demonstrates.
The alternative of course is we keep the restrictions until next summer by which time they become the “norm” and compounded collateral damage is done to the economy and to people with all the other health issues not being recognised or treated.
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It probably would have made more sense to keep restrictions until next year (doesn’t make any difference to me, I’m not even in the Uk but gave family there). From the sounds of things it’s probably gonna end up that way anyway. IE another lockdown in October onwards. Was life really that bad before freedom day? From the looks of things it wasn’t really that bad.
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I find it interesting that none of this affects you yet you are quite adamant that restrictions remain in all honesty. I do understand it but it is a very nuanced position to take.
For what it’s worth I don’t believe there will be another lockdown unless some wild new variant appears on the horizon. Cases are beginning to come down in Scotland already which was worst hit and the next month will hopefully see the same in the rest of the U.K.
We’re continuing a superb vaccination programme and as blunt as it sounds we have a definitive population size. If 50,000 are being newly affected every day we run out of people to infect at some point. And yes I understand that the risk of new variants is constantly with us. That won’t ever change.
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I have family in the Uk who I have a vested interest in seeing not be affected by a useless government putting boasting rights about opening up the UK ahead of people’s lives. Plus my country (Australia) is being affected by the litany of new variants coming out of the UK so it would be great to see the UK stop being a breeding ground for every new variant which becomes a problem for the rest of the world every few months.
In terms of real freedoms (rather than “I don’t like wearing a face nappy in shops or on the train&rdquo, the best way to protect those now is by being cautious with the minor inconveniences.
The govt here has said that mask-wearing will remain in place as long as it is required to protect current freedoms. Hopefully that sees us reach something looking like herd immunity against Delta through vaccination without returning to lockdown, an outcome which looks like just a matter of time for the UK.
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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Love this use of the word “continued”
Again, until when?
What is it that those who disagree with loosening the restrictions want? What measurables are the target.
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More of the population to be fully vaccinated I would expect.
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How many? What percentage? What happens when everyone who wants to take the vaccination has had it but the total doesn’t meet that target?
Just saying “more” means nothing really
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Not every adult has had the opportunity to have both vaccines so I’d imagine that would be a start.
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Ok. So is it safe to say that your target is that everyone over 18 (plus the few exceptions who are younger) have had the two jabs who want them is the time we loosen all restrictions?
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If by that point every adult in the UK has had two vaccinations minus a small percentage who can’t have it and the case numbers stop rising to scarily high numbers you’d think that would be the time to ease restrictions. Right now to use a cooking analogy it would seem the cake was put in the oven but taken out 20 mins too soon.
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Ok. But we all know that even then case numbers will continue to rise. At a time when seasonality of the virus is at the worst stage and all those other killer respiratory diseases start to hit the vulnerable and the NHS.
There is no easy answer as this clearly demonstrates.
The alternative of course is we keep the restrictions until next summer by which time they become the “norm” and compounded collateral damage is done to the economy and to people with all the other health issues not being recognised or treated.
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It probably would have made more sense to keep restrictions until next year (doesn’t make any difference to me, I’m not even in the Uk but gave family there). From the sounds of things it’s probably gonna end up that way anyway. IE another lockdown in October onwards. Was life really that bad before freedom day? From the looks of things it wasn’t really that bad.
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I find it interesting that none of this affects you yet you are quite adamant that restrictions remain in all honesty. I do understand it but it is a very nuanced position to take.
For what it’s worth I don’t believe there will be another lockdown unless some wild new variant appears on the horizon. Cases are beginning to come down in Scotland already which was worst hit and the next month will hopefully see the same in the rest of the U.K.
We’re continuing a superb vaccination programme and as blunt as it sounds we have a definitive population size. If 50,000 are being newly affected every day we run out of people to infect at some point. And yes I understand that the risk of new variants is constantly with us. That won’t ever change.
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I have family in the Uk who I have a vested interest in seeing not be affected by a useless government putting boasting rights about opening up the UK ahead of people’s lives. Plus my country (Australia) is being affected by the litany of new variants coming out of the UK so it would be great to see the UK stop being a breeding ground for every new variant which becomes a problem for the rest of the world every few months.
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Eh?
What new variant has Britain been a breeding ground for? Other than the Kent variant they all started elsewhere.
As for Australia being affected by the U.K. that’s simply not true. All cases discovered coming into the country have been from other countries. Not the U.K.
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
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In terms of real freedoms (rather than “I don’t like wearing a face nappy in shops or on the train&rdquo, the best way to protect those now is by being cautious with the minor inconveniences.
The govt here has said that mask-wearing will remain in place as long as it is required to protect current freedoms. Hopefully that sees us reach something looking like herd immunity against Delta through vaccination without returning to lockdown, an outcome which looks like just a matter of time for the UK.
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Well I disagree that we will be in lockdown soon. On here we’ve heard anything between 2 weeks to 2 months. We can all revisit and see if it happened come middle of September.
The son of a former United (and many other clubs!) player lives in a nearby town and he's an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker. His Facebook posts are comedy gold at times.
I don't think it's about control at all. It's just Boris Johnson and Co have handled it terribly. It's not a big Bill Gates conspiracy. It's just a virus that got out of control and there's just a lot of flailing going on now.
If it were up to me I'd have kept restrictions until everyone has been offered both jabs. Then, I think we'd probably have got to the point where people would rightly begin to think they want normality back. We were so close to it as well.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
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The son of a former United (and many other clubs!) player lives in a nearby town and he's an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker. His Facebook posts are comedy gold at times.
I don't think it's about control at all. It's just Boris Johnson and Co have handled it terribly. It's not a big Bill Gates conspiracy. It's just a virus that got out of control and there's just a lot of flailing going on now.
If it were up to me I'd have kept restrictions until everyone has been offered both jabs. Then, I think we'd probably have got to the point where people would rightly begin to think they want normality back. We were so close to it as well.
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But the timing of that couldn’t be any worse as I mentioned previously.
It is either now or leave it until end of next Spring.
I think I can guess your preference mind
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In terms of real freedoms (rather than “I don’t like wearing a face nappy in shops or on the train&rdquo, the best way to protect those now is by being cautious with the minor inconveniences.
The govt here has said that mask-wearing will remain in place as long as it is required to protect current freedoms. Hopefully that sees us reach something looking like herd immunity against Delta through vaccination without returning to lockdown, an outcome which looks like just a matter of time for the UK.
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Well I disagree that we will be in lockdown soon. On here we’ve heard anything between 2 weeks to 2 months. We can all revisit and see if it happened come middle of September.
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Define “lockdown” I guess.
But I think it’s absolutely inevitable that there will be a reintroduction of mandatory restrictive measures by the end of Sept if the current trend continues, let alone accelerates.
The hospitalisation and bed occupancy rates and the numbers of people self-isolating and the impact that has on business front ends, supply chains, and healthcare and other services are probably the key metrics this time around I think.
I’m sure you appreciate Ginger that there are a lot of people and businesses who wanted the mask mandate and some distancing measures to remain in place precisely *because* they’re desperate to see freedoms protected and no return to stay-at-home measures, business closures, etc.
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In terms of real freedoms (rather than “I don’t like wearing a face nappy in shops or on the train&rdquo, the best way to protect those now is by being cautious with the minor inconveniences.
The govt here has said that mask-wearing will remain in place as long as it is required to protect current freedoms. Hopefully that sees us reach something looking like herd immunity against Delta through vaccination without returning to lockdown, an outcome which looks like just a matter of time for the UK.
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Well I disagree that we will be in lockdown soon. On here we’ve heard anything between 2 weeks to 2 months. We can all revisit and see if it happened come middle of September.
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Define “lockdown” I guess.
But I think it’s absolutely inevitable that there will be a reintroduction of mandatory restrictive measures by the end of Sept if the current trend continues, let alone accelerates.
The hospitalisation and bed occupancy rates and the numbers of people self-isolating and the impact that has on business front ends, supply chains, and healthcare and other services are probably the key metrics this time around I think.
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The only things I can see being introduced again are the wearing of masks on public transport, theatres and cinemas and maybe a roll out of the requirement of the Covid pass.
Think that’s about it barring some new and unknown.
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I’m sure you appreciate Ginger that there are a lot of people and businesses who wanted the mask mandate and some distancing measures to remain in place precisely *because* they’re desperate to see freedoms protected and no return to stay-at-home measures, business closures, etc.
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Of course. I’m one of them. It was an easy win for the government and they fwcked it up.
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posted 47 seconds ago
The son of a former United (and many other clubs!) player lives in a nearby town and he's an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker. His Facebook posts are comedy gold at times.
I don't think it's about control at all. It's just Boris Johnson and Co have handled it terribly. It's not a big Bill Gates conspiracy. It's just a virus that got out of control and there's just a lot of flailing going on now.
If it were up to me I'd have kept restrictions until everyone has been offered both jabs. Then, I think we'd probably have got to the point where people would rightly begin to think they want normality back. We were so close to it as well.
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But the timing of that couldn’t be any worse as I mentioned previously.
It is either now or leave it until end of next Spring.
I think I can guess your preference mind
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I'd love to be wrong and that everything will be OK. I just see a big spike again rippling through the population. I'm just glad that Wales is taking a bit more of a sensible approach at present although don't think that'll last long either as pressure is bound to be put on.
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 47 seconds ago
The son of a former United (and many other clubs!) player lives in a nearby town and he's an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker. His Facebook posts are comedy gold at times.
I don't think it's about control at all. It's just Boris Johnson and Co have handled it terribly. It's not a big Bill Gates conspiracy. It's just a virus that got out of control and there's just a lot of flailing going on now.
If it were up to me I'd have kept restrictions until everyone has been offered both jabs. Then, I think we'd probably have got to the point where people would rightly begin to think they want normality back. We were so close to it as well.
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But the timing of that couldn’t be any worse as I mentioned previously.
It is either now or leave it until end of next Spring.
I think I can guess your preference mind
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I'd love to be wrong and that everything will be OK. I just see a big spike again rippling through the population. I'm just glad that Wales is taking a bit more of a sensible approach at present although don't think that'll last long either as pressure is bound to be put on.
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There’s absolutely a huge element of the unknown here. That I agree with but I’m positive this is the right time to loosen restrictions albeit with the caveats I mentioned above.
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I’m sure you appreciate Ginger that there are a lot of people and businesses who wanted the mask mandate and some distancing measures to remain in place precisely *because* they’re desperate to see freedoms protected and no return to stay-at-home measures, business closures, etc.
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Of course. I’m one of them. It was an easy win for the government and they fwcked it up.
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Ah. Peace at last.
I’m off to the pool
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
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The son of a former United (and many other clubs!) player lives in a nearby town and he's an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker. His Facebook posts are comedy gold at times.
I don't think it's about control at all. It's just Boris Johnson and Co have handled it terribly. It's not a big Bill Gates conspiracy. It's just a virus that got out of control and there's just a lot of flailing going on now.
If it were up to me I'd have kept restrictions until everyone has been offered both jabs. Then, I think we'd probably have got to the point where people would rightly begin to think they want normality back. We were so close to it as well.
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But the timing of that couldn’t be any worse as I mentioned previously.
It is either now or leave it until end of next Spring.
I think I can guess your preference mind
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I'd love to be wrong and that everything will be OK. I just see a big spike again rippling through the population. I'm just glad that Wales is taking a bit more of a sensible approach at present although don't think that'll last long either as pressure is bound to be put on.
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There’s absolutely a huge element of the unknown here. That I agree with but I’m positive this is the right time to loosen restrictions albeit with the caveats I mentioned above.
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I have no issue with the outdoors restrictions being loosened. That seems OK to me based on what I've read. It's the nightclubs etc that I'm nervous about. As I said though I do hope I'm wrong. I'd much rather be wrong and you saying 'told you' than me being right and people being ill.
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Ah. Peace at last.
I’m off to the pool
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Enjoy!
(Don’t forget your mask…And snorkel )
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Ah. Peace at last.
I’m off to the pool
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Enjoy!
(Don’t forget your mask…And snorkel)
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Aye, he's a right ugly cant.
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Sandy. People used to be far less selfish.
The sense of doing something for the greater good would inspire people to make a sacrifice.
Now, despite wearing a mask proven to protect yourself and others, people will not make the smallest of sacrifices like wearing one in a shop because "they're uncomfortable" or "it's too hot".
Your comparison with WWII is slightly off but certainly they would laugh at people now. We don't feckin know what a true sacrifice is. Having to wear a mask in enclosed public spaces.....ahhh, poor little lambs!
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Again, what’s the “greater good”? What you want it to be?
As for sacrifice you’re essentially asking those who’ve given up the most to just keep on giving up their basic human rights.
I could turn your argument on its head and suggest it’s a virus we’re dealing with here. It’s a natural occurrence and mankind have had many in our time. We have to live with it instead of being as you crudely label “poor little lambs”. I wouldn’t be so crass though but it’s a pathetic argument to make on either side.
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What basic human rights are we talking about that would have been violated by an extension to mandatory mask wearing on public transport and in retail and leisure environments, some social distancing measures in the same settings, and in some instances, either a negative test result or proof of vaccination to access services?
I’ve seen this argument made a few times, but never the actual rights people are referring to mentioned.
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human rights
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ECHR,Timmy. You've got work to do.
Two issues I have
1) with masks the purpose of them is to protect others, but why is it my job to protect someone else, pre-vaccine yes fair enough human compassion etc but now why is it still my job? Surely the vaccine has taken that job
2) I don’t like how they’re trying to coerce and force it upon young people (especially when 2/3 have already had it. Because being real with the evidence we have nobody under 30 or 40 really needs it for themselves so they are essentially taking it for someone else. And again why do they have to take it for someone else, surely again that’s the “vaccines job” to protect an older person not a young person having a vaccine. Makes me question what they’re actually playing at, especially as under 40’s that are not vulnerable or key workers will never be offered the vaccine again after this year
3) We’ve seen the last 2 weeks the majority of new cases are in fully vaccinated people, so what benefit is a vaccine passport even forgetting all the other issues (legality, morality, discriminatory) ? Surely the best form of defense if we did want to make it safer in the winter is to make people have a test? Because the vaccine evidently doesn’t stop you getting it just dying or badly ill thankfully does it’s job in that regard. (But again that entwines into #2, what is the point in someone under 30 or 40 having it because it doesn’t significantly reduce transmission in the community which was the only purpose, no need for healthy under 40’s / key workers to be offered it like with flu vaccine isn’t offered to them)
But we’ll see, I agreed with making them mandatory for care homes as they’re most at risk / high settings, but for under 30’s when they don’t even need it seems very Hitlerish
Funnily enough if this was earlier in the year, over the last week seeing what’s been said (a week after the governments review and commission said vaccine passports are of no benefit and wouldn’t work) and the minster Nadim saying they wouldn’t be introduced 3 days before he did yesterday, it would have actually put me off having the vaccine purely because I’d find it odd and weird purely how much they’re trying to push it onto people / sell it. Seems way too OTT
And finally, even forgetting that cloth / fabric masks do not work and do absolutely nothing other than make you feel safer subconsciously and equally keep the fear factor up (as SAGE even admitted), I agree with Don about the summer factor.
I would feel a lot more uncomfortable sitting next to someone on a train that’s wearing a hot sweaty sweat and germ ridden mask as opposed to someone that’s not Lol
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Two issues I have
1) with masks the purpose of them is to protect others, but why is it my job to protect someone else, pre-vaccine yes fair enough human compassion etc but now why is it still my job? Surely the vaccine has taken that job
2) I don’t like how they’re trying to coerce and force it upon young people (especially when 2/3 have already had it. Because being real with the evidence we have nobody under 30 or 40 really needs it for themselves so they are essentially taking it for someone else. And again why do they have to take it for someone else, surely again that’s the “vaccines job” to protect an older person not a young person having a vaccine. Makes me question what they’re actually playing at, especially as under 40’s that are not vulnerable or key workers will never be offered the vaccine again after this year
3) We’ve seen the last 2 weeks the majority of new cases are in fully vaccinated people, so what benefit is a vaccine passport even forgetting all the other issues (legality, morality, discriminatory) ? Surely the best form of defense if we did want to make it safer in the winter is to make people have a test? Because the vaccine evidently doesn’t stop you getting it just dying or badly ill thankfully does it’s job in that regard. (But again that entwines into #2, what is the point in someone under 30 or 40 having it because it doesn’t significantly reduce transmission in the community which was the only purpose, no need for healthy under 40’s / key workers to be offered it like with flu vaccine isn’t offered to them)
But we’ll see, I agreed with making them mandatory for care homes as they’re most at risk / high settings, but for under 30’s when they don’t even need it seems very Hitlerish
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1) It’s called social responsibility. It’s a concept that exists widely in modern liberal democracies and is, for example, the reason why there are speed bumps outside primary schools, no smoking in restaurants, and gun control.
2) Depending on the country, it looks like between 2% and 4% of COVID-19 fatalities relate to patients under the age of 40, meaning the virus has probably killed over 100,000 in the age group and hospitalised over a million.
It will leave millions in the age group with Long COVID and lingering symptoms.
The idea that there is no risk to young people from COVID-19 is nonsense.
I assume you also understand the importance of us working to keep the case rate down whilst there is still not enough of the population vaccinated to achieve something like herd immunity against the Delta variant, and to work to ensure no new immunity-evading variants emerge.
3) Nobody is talking about mandatory vaccination.
There are many things that people can be prohibited from doing if they’ve been drinking heavily (including enter a football stadium), have taken drugs, or are smoking, for example, because in doing so they would represent a danger to those immediately around them or the public more widely.
The science also does suggest that as well as being less likely to be infected, vaccinated individuals are less likely transmit to others than non-vaccinated individuals, and that the viral loads that they may pass on are likely to be lower.
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The son of a former United (and many other clubs!) player lives in a nearby town and he's an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker. His Facebook posts are comedy gold at times.
I don't think it's about control at all. It's just Boris Johnson and Co have handled it terribly. It's not a big Bill Gates conspiracy. It's just a virus that got out of control and there's just a lot of flailing going on now.
If it were up to me I'd have kept restrictions until everyone has been offered both jabs. Then, I think we'd probably have got to the point where people would rightly begin to think they want normality back. We were so close to it as well.
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But the timing of that couldn’t be any worse as I mentioned previously.
It is either now or leave it until end of next Spring.
I think I can guess your preference mind
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I'd love to be wrong and that everything will be OK. I just see a big spike again rippling through the population. I'm just glad that Wales is taking a bit more of a sensible approach at present although don't think that'll last long either as pressure is bound to be put on.
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There’s absolutely a huge element of the unknown here. That I agree with but I’m positive this is the right time to loosen restrictions albeit with the caveats I mentioned above.
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I have no issue with the outdoors restrictions being loosened. That seems OK to me based on what I've read. It's the nightclubs etc that I'm nervous about. As I said though I do hope I'm wrong. I'd much rather be wrong and you saying 'told you' than me being right and people being ill.
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And finally, even forgetting that cloth / fabric masks do not work and do absolutely nothing other than make you feel safer subconsciously and equally keep the fear factor up (as SAGE even admitted), I agree with Don about the summer factor.
I would feel a lot more uncomfortable sitting next to someone on a train that’s wearing a hot sweaty sweat and germ ridden mask as opposed to someone that’s not Lol
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Talk about misinformation. Cloth/fabric masks may not be as effective as medical level masks but they absolute do something, certainly at a community level, that has been shown time and time again in tests and studies.
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Love this use of the word “continued”
Again, until when?
What is it that those who disagree with loosening the restrictions want? What measurables are the target.
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More of the population to be fully vaccinated I would expect.
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How many? What percentage? What happens when everyone who wants to take the vaccination has had it but the total doesn’t meet that target?
Just saying “more” means nothing really
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Not every adult has had the opportunity to have both vaccines so I’d imagine that would be a start.
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Ok. So is it safe to say that your target is that everyone over 18 (plus the few exceptions who are younger) have had the two jabs who want them is the time we loosen all restrictions?
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If by that point every adult in the UK has had two vaccinations minus a small percentage who can’t have it and the case numbers stop rising to scarily high numbers you’d think that would be the time to ease restrictions. Right now to use a cooking analogy it would seem the cake was put in the oven but taken out 20 mins too soon.
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Ok. But we all know that even then case numbers will continue to rise. At a time when seasonality of the virus is at the worst stage and all those other killer respiratory diseases start to hit the vulnerable and the NHS.
There is no easy answer as this clearly demonstrates.
The alternative of course is we keep the restrictions until next summer by which time they become the “norm” and compounded collateral damage is done to the economy and to people with all the other health issues not being recognised or treated.
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It probably would have made more sense to keep restrictions until next year (doesn’t make any difference to me, I’m not even in the Uk but gave family there). From the sounds of things it’s probably gonna end up that way anyway. IE another lockdown in October onwards. Was life really that bad before freedom day? From the looks of things it wasn’t really that bad.
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I find it interesting that none of this affects you yet you are quite adamant that restrictions remain in all honesty. I do understand it but it is a very nuanced position to take.
For what it’s worth I don’t believe there will be another lockdown unless some wild new variant appears on the horizon. Cases are beginning to come down in Scotland already which was worst hit and the next month will hopefully see the same in the rest of the U.K.
We’re continuing a superb vaccination programme and as blunt as it sounds we have a definitive population size. If 50,000 are being newly affected every day we run out of people to infect at some point. And yes I understand that the risk of new variants is constantly with us. That won’t ever change.
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I have family in the Uk who I have a vested interest in seeing not be affected by a useless government putting boasting rights about opening up the UK ahead of people’s lives. Plus my country (Australia) is being affected by the litany of new variants coming out of the UK so it would be great to see the UK stop being a breeding ground for every new variant which becomes a problem for the rest of the world every few months.
posted on 20/7/21
In terms of real freedoms (rather than “I don’t like wearing a face nappy in shops or on the train&rdquo, the best way to protect those now is by being cautious with the minor inconveniences.
The govt here has said that mask-wearing will remain in place as long as it is required to protect current freedoms. Hopefully that sees us reach something looking like herd immunity against Delta through vaccination without returning to lockdown, an outcome which looks like just a matter of time for the UK.
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Love this use of the word “continued”
Again, until when?
What is it that those who disagree with loosening the restrictions want? What measurables are the target.
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More of the population to be fully vaccinated I would expect.
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How many? What percentage? What happens when everyone who wants to take the vaccination has had it but the total doesn’t meet that target?
Just saying “more” means nothing really
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Not every adult has had the opportunity to have both vaccines so I’d imagine that would be a start.
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Ok. So is it safe to say that your target is that everyone over 18 (plus the few exceptions who are younger) have had the two jabs who want them is the time we loosen all restrictions?
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If by that point every adult in the UK has had two vaccinations minus a small percentage who can’t have it and the case numbers stop rising to scarily high numbers you’d think that would be the time to ease restrictions. Right now to use a cooking analogy it would seem the cake was put in the oven but taken out 20 mins too soon.
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Ok. But we all know that even then case numbers will continue to rise. At a time when seasonality of the virus is at the worst stage and all those other killer respiratory diseases start to hit the vulnerable and the NHS.
There is no easy answer as this clearly demonstrates.
The alternative of course is we keep the restrictions until next summer by which time they become the “norm” and compounded collateral damage is done to the economy and to people with all the other health issues not being recognised or treated.
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It probably would have made more sense to keep restrictions until next year (doesn’t make any difference to me, I’m not even in the Uk but gave family there). From the sounds of things it’s probably gonna end up that way anyway. IE another lockdown in October onwards. Was life really that bad before freedom day? From the looks of things it wasn’t really that bad.
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I find it interesting that none of this affects you yet you are quite adamant that restrictions remain in all honesty. I do understand it but it is a very nuanced position to take.
For what it’s worth I don’t believe there will be another lockdown unless some wild new variant appears on the horizon. Cases are beginning to come down in Scotland already which was worst hit and the next month will hopefully see the same in the rest of the U.K.
We’re continuing a superb vaccination programme and as blunt as it sounds we have a definitive population size. If 50,000 are being newly affected every day we run out of people to infect at some point. And yes I understand that the risk of new variants is constantly with us. That won’t ever change.
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I have family in the Uk who I have a vested interest in seeing not be affected by a useless government putting boasting rights about opening up the UK ahead of people’s lives. Plus my country (Australia) is being affected by the litany of new variants coming out of the UK so it would be great to see the UK stop being a breeding ground for every new variant which becomes a problem for the rest of the world every few months.
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Eh?
What new variant has Britain been a breeding ground for? Other than the Kent variant they all started elsewhere.
As for Australia being affected by the U.K. that’s simply not true. All cases discovered coming into the country have been from other countries. Not the U.K.
posted on 20/7/21
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
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In terms of real freedoms (rather than “I don’t like wearing a face nappy in shops or on the train&rdquo, the best way to protect those now is by being cautious with the minor inconveniences.
The govt here has said that mask-wearing will remain in place as long as it is required to protect current freedoms. Hopefully that sees us reach something looking like herd immunity against Delta through vaccination without returning to lockdown, an outcome which looks like just a matter of time for the UK.
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Well I disagree that we will be in lockdown soon. On here we’ve heard anything between 2 weeks to 2 months. We can all revisit and see if it happened come middle of September.
posted on 20/7/21
The son of a former United (and many other clubs!) player lives in a nearby town and he's an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker. His Facebook posts are comedy gold at times.
I don't think it's about control at all. It's just Boris Johnson and Co have handled it terribly. It's not a big Bill Gates conspiracy. It's just a virus that got out of control and there's just a lot of flailing going on now.
If it were up to me I'd have kept restrictions until everyone has been offered both jabs. Then, I think we'd probably have got to the point where people would rightly begin to think they want normality back. We were so close to it as well.
posted on 20/7/21
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The son of a former United (and many other clubs!) player lives in a nearby town and he's an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker. His Facebook posts are comedy gold at times.
I don't think it's about control at all. It's just Boris Johnson and Co have handled it terribly. It's not a big Bill Gates conspiracy. It's just a virus that got out of control and there's just a lot of flailing going on now.
If it were up to me I'd have kept restrictions until everyone has been offered both jabs. Then, I think we'd probably have got to the point where people would rightly begin to think they want normality back. We were so close to it as well.
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But the timing of that couldn’t be any worse as I mentioned previously.
It is either now or leave it until end of next Spring.
I think I can guess your preference mind
posted on 20/7/21
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In terms of real freedoms (rather than “I don’t like wearing a face nappy in shops or on the train&rdquo, the best way to protect those now is by being cautious with the minor inconveniences.
The govt here has said that mask-wearing will remain in place as long as it is required to protect current freedoms. Hopefully that sees us reach something looking like herd immunity against Delta through vaccination without returning to lockdown, an outcome which looks like just a matter of time for the UK.
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Well I disagree that we will be in lockdown soon. On here we’ve heard anything between 2 weeks to 2 months. We can all revisit and see if it happened come middle of September.
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Define “lockdown” I guess.
But I think it’s absolutely inevitable that there will be a reintroduction of mandatory restrictive measures by the end of Sept if the current trend continues, let alone accelerates.
The hospitalisation and bed occupancy rates and the numbers of people self-isolating and the impact that has on business front ends, supply chains, and healthcare and other services are probably the key metrics this time around I think.
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I’m sure you appreciate Ginger that there are a lot of people and businesses who wanted the mask mandate and some distancing measures to remain in place precisely *because* they’re desperate to see freedoms protected and no return to stay-at-home measures, business closures, etc.
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In terms of real freedoms (rather than “I don’t like wearing a face nappy in shops or on the train&rdquo, the best way to protect those now is by being cautious with the minor inconveniences.
The govt here has said that mask-wearing will remain in place as long as it is required to protect current freedoms. Hopefully that sees us reach something looking like herd immunity against Delta through vaccination without returning to lockdown, an outcome which looks like just a matter of time for the UK.
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Well I disagree that we will be in lockdown soon. On here we’ve heard anything between 2 weeks to 2 months. We can all revisit and see if it happened come middle of September.
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Define “lockdown” I guess.
But I think it’s absolutely inevitable that there will be a reintroduction of mandatory restrictive measures by the end of Sept if the current trend continues, let alone accelerates.
The hospitalisation and bed occupancy rates and the numbers of people self-isolating and the impact that has on business front ends, supply chains, and healthcare and other services are probably the key metrics this time around I think.
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The only things I can see being introduced again are the wearing of masks on public transport, theatres and cinemas and maybe a roll out of the requirement of the Covid pass.
Think that’s about it barring some new and unknown.
posted on 20/7/21
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 7 seconds ago
I’m sure you appreciate Ginger that there are a lot of people and businesses who wanted the mask mandate and some distancing measures to remain in place precisely *because* they’re desperate to see freedoms protected and no return to stay-at-home measures, business closures, etc.
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Of course. I’m one of them. It was an easy win for the government and they fwcked it up.
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posted 47 seconds ago
The son of a former United (and many other clubs!) player lives in a nearby town and he's an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker. His Facebook posts are comedy gold at times.
I don't think it's about control at all. It's just Boris Johnson and Co have handled it terribly. It's not a big Bill Gates conspiracy. It's just a virus that got out of control and there's just a lot of flailing going on now.
If it were up to me I'd have kept restrictions until everyone has been offered both jabs. Then, I think we'd probably have got to the point where people would rightly begin to think they want normality back. We were so close to it as well.
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But the timing of that couldn’t be any worse as I mentioned previously.
It is either now or leave it until end of next Spring.
I think I can guess your preference mind
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I'd love to be wrong and that everything will be OK. I just see a big spike again rippling through the population. I'm just glad that Wales is taking a bit more of a sensible approach at present although don't think that'll last long either as pressure is bound to be put on.
posted on 20/7/21
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 47 seconds ago
The son of a former United (and many other clubs!) player lives in a nearby town and he's an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker. His Facebook posts are comedy gold at times.
I don't think it's about control at all. It's just Boris Johnson and Co have handled it terribly. It's not a big Bill Gates conspiracy. It's just a virus that got out of control and there's just a lot of flailing going on now.
If it were up to me I'd have kept restrictions until everyone has been offered both jabs. Then, I think we'd probably have got to the point where people would rightly begin to think they want normality back. We were so close to it as well.
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But the timing of that couldn’t be any worse as I mentioned previously.
It is either now or leave it until end of next Spring.
I think I can guess your preference mind
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I'd love to be wrong and that everything will be OK. I just see a big spike again rippling through the population. I'm just glad that Wales is taking a bit more of a sensible approach at present although don't think that'll last long either as pressure is bound to be put on.
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There’s absolutely a huge element of the unknown here. That I agree with but I’m positive this is the right time to loosen restrictions albeit with the caveats I mentioned above.
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comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
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I’m sure you appreciate Ginger that there are a lot of people and businesses who wanted the mask mandate and some distancing measures to remain in place precisely *because* they’re desperate to see freedoms protected and no return to stay-at-home measures, business closures, etc.
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Of course. I’m one of them. It was an easy win for the government and they fwcked it up.
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Ah. Peace at last.
I’m off to the pool
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 47 seconds ago
The son of a former United (and many other clubs!) player lives in a nearby town and he's an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker. His Facebook posts are comedy gold at times.
I don't think it's about control at all. It's just Boris Johnson and Co have handled it terribly. It's not a big Bill Gates conspiracy. It's just a virus that got out of control and there's just a lot of flailing going on now.
If it were up to me I'd have kept restrictions until everyone has been offered both jabs. Then, I think we'd probably have got to the point where people would rightly begin to think they want normality back. We were so close to it as well.
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But the timing of that couldn’t be any worse as I mentioned previously.
It is either now or leave it until end of next Spring.
I think I can guess your preference mind
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I'd love to be wrong and that everything will be OK. I just see a big spike again rippling through the population. I'm just glad that Wales is taking a bit more of a sensible approach at present although don't think that'll last long either as pressure is bound to be put on.
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There’s absolutely a huge element of the unknown here. That I agree with but I’m positive this is the right time to loosen restrictions albeit with the caveats I mentioned above.
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I have no issue with the outdoors restrictions being loosened. That seems OK to me based on what I've read. It's the nightclubs etc that I'm nervous about. As I said though I do hope I'm wrong. I'd much rather be wrong and you saying 'told you' than me being right and people being ill.
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Ah. Peace at last.
I’m off to the pool
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Enjoy!
(Don’t forget your mask…And snorkel )
posted on 20/7/21
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 22 minutes ago
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Ah. Peace at last.
I’m off to the pool
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Enjoy!
(Don’t forget your mask…And snorkel)
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Aye, he's a right ugly cant.
posted on 20/7/21
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Sandy. People used to be far less selfish.
The sense of doing something for the greater good would inspire people to make a sacrifice.
Now, despite wearing a mask proven to protect yourself and others, people will not make the smallest of sacrifices like wearing one in a shop because "they're uncomfortable" or "it's too hot".
Your comparison with WWII is slightly off but certainly they would laugh at people now. We don't feckin know what a true sacrifice is. Having to wear a mask in enclosed public spaces.....ahhh, poor little lambs!
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Again, what’s the “greater good”? What you want it to be?
As for sacrifice you’re essentially asking those who’ve given up the most to just keep on giving up their basic human rights.
I could turn your argument on its head and suggest it’s a virus we’re dealing with here. It’s a natural occurrence and mankind have had many in our time. We have to live with it instead of being as you crudely label “poor little lambs”. I wouldn’t be so crass though but it’s a pathetic argument to make on either side.
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What basic human rights are we talking about that would have been violated by an extension to mandatory mask wearing on public transport and in retail and leisure environments, some social distancing measures in the same settings, and in some instances, either a negative test result or proof of vaccination to access services?
I’ve seen this argument made a few times, but never the actual rights people are referring to mentioned.
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human rights
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ECHR,Timmy. You've got work to do.
posted on 20/7/21
Two issues I have
1) with masks the purpose of them is to protect others, but why is it my job to protect someone else, pre-vaccine yes fair enough human compassion etc but now why is it still my job? Surely the vaccine has taken that job
2) I don’t like how they’re trying to coerce and force it upon young people (especially when 2/3 have already had it. Because being real with the evidence we have nobody under 30 or 40 really needs it for themselves so they are essentially taking it for someone else. And again why do they have to take it for someone else, surely again that’s the “vaccines job” to protect an older person not a young person having a vaccine. Makes me question what they’re actually playing at, especially as under 40’s that are not vulnerable or key workers will never be offered the vaccine again after this year
3) We’ve seen the last 2 weeks the majority of new cases are in fully vaccinated people, so what benefit is a vaccine passport even forgetting all the other issues (legality, morality, discriminatory) ? Surely the best form of defense if we did want to make it safer in the winter is to make people have a test? Because the vaccine evidently doesn’t stop you getting it just dying or badly ill thankfully does it’s job in that regard. (But again that entwines into #2, what is the point in someone under 30 or 40 having it because it doesn’t significantly reduce transmission in the community which was the only purpose, no need for healthy under 40’s / key workers to be offered it like with flu vaccine isn’t offered to them)
But we’ll see, I agreed with making them mandatory for care homes as they’re most at risk / high settings, but for under 30’s when they don’t even need it seems very Hitlerish
posted on 20/7/21
Funnily enough if this was earlier in the year, over the last week seeing what’s been said (a week after the governments review and commission said vaccine passports are of no benefit and wouldn’t work) and the minster Nadim saying they wouldn’t be introduced 3 days before he did yesterday, it would have actually put me off having the vaccine purely because I’d find it odd and weird purely how much they’re trying to push it onto people / sell it. Seems way too OTT
posted on 20/7/21
And finally, even forgetting that cloth / fabric masks do not work and do absolutely nothing other than make you feel safer subconsciously and equally keep the fear factor up (as SAGE even admitted), I agree with Don about the summer factor.
I would feel a lot more uncomfortable sitting next to someone on a train that’s wearing a hot sweaty sweat and germ ridden mask as opposed to someone that’s not Lol
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posted on 20/7/21
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury. ITS COMING HOME ITS COMING HOME ITS COMING FOOTBALLS COMING HOME (U12980)
posted 35 seconds ago
Two issues I have
1) with masks the purpose of them is to protect others, but why is it my job to protect someone else, pre-vaccine yes fair enough human compassion etc but now why is it still my job? Surely the vaccine has taken that job
2) I don’t like how they’re trying to coerce and force it upon young people (especially when 2/3 have already had it. Because being real with the evidence we have nobody under 30 or 40 really needs it for themselves so they are essentially taking it for someone else. And again why do they have to take it for someone else, surely again that’s the “vaccines job” to protect an older person not a young person having a vaccine. Makes me question what they’re actually playing at, especially as under 40’s that are not vulnerable or key workers will never be offered the vaccine again after this year
3) We’ve seen the last 2 weeks the majority of new cases are in fully vaccinated people, so what benefit is a vaccine passport even forgetting all the other issues (legality, morality, discriminatory) ? Surely the best form of defense if we did want to make it safer in the winter is to make people have a test? Because the vaccine evidently doesn’t stop you getting it just dying or badly ill thankfully does it’s job in that regard. (But again that entwines into #2, what is the point in someone under 30 or 40 having it because it doesn’t significantly reduce transmission in the community which was the only purpose, no need for healthy under 40’s / key workers to be offered it like with flu vaccine isn’t offered to them)
But we’ll see, I agreed with making them mandatory for care homes as they’re most at risk / high settings, but for under 30’s when they don’t even need it seems very Hitlerish
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1) It’s called social responsibility. It’s a concept that exists widely in modern liberal democracies and is, for example, the reason why there are speed bumps outside primary schools, no smoking in restaurants, and gun control.
2) Depending on the country, it looks like between 2% and 4% of COVID-19 fatalities relate to patients under the age of 40, meaning the virus has probably killed over 100,000 in the age group and hospitalised over a million.
It will leave millions in the age group with Long COVID and lingering symptoms.
The idea that there is no risk to young people from COVID-19 is nonsense.
I assume you also understand the importance of us working to keep the case rate down whilst there is still not enough of the population vaccinated to achieve something like herd immunity against the Delta variant, and to work to ensure no new immunity-evading variants emerge.
3) Nobody is talking about mandatory vaccination.
There are many things that people can be prohibited from doing if they’ve been drinking heavily (including enter a football stadium), have taken drugs, or are smoking, for example, because in doing so they would represent a danger to those immediately around them or the public more widely.
The science also does suggest that as well as being less likely to be infected, vaccinated individuals are less likely transmit to others than non-vaccinated individuals, and that the viral loads that they may pass on are likely to be lower.
posted on 20/7/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 4 hours, 50 minutes ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 13 seconds ago
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posted 47 seconds ago
The son of a former United (and many other clubs!) player lives in a nearby town and he's an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker. His Facebook posts are comedy gold at times.
I don't think it's about control at all. It's just Boris Johnson and Co have handled it terribly. It's not a big Bill Gates conspiracy. It's just a virus that got out of control and there's just a lot of flailing going on now.
If it were up to me I'd have kept restrictions until everyone has been offered both jabs. Then, I think we'd probably have got to the point where people would rightly begin to think they want normality back. We were so close to it as well.
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But the timing of that couldn’t be any worse as I mentioned previously.
It is either now or leave it until end of next Spring.
I think I can guess your preference mind
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I'd love to be wrong and that everything will be OK. I just see a big spike again rippling through the population. I'm just glad that Wales is taking a bit more of a sensible approach at present although don't think that'll last long either as pressure is bound to be put on.
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There’s absolutely a huge element of the unknown here. That I agree with but I’m positive this is the right time to loosen restrictions albeit with the caveats I mentioned above.
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I have no issue with the outdoors restrictions being loosened. That seems OK to me based on what I've read. It's the nightclubs etc that I'm nervous about. As I said though I do hope I'm wrong. I'd much rather be wrong and you saying 'told you' than me being right and people being ill.
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Dont go then
posted on 20/7/21
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury. ITS COMING HOME ITS COMING HOME ITS COMING FOOTBALLS COMING HOME (U12980)
posted 55 minutes ago
And finally, even forgetting that cloth / fabric masks do not work and do absolutely nothing other than make you feel safer subconsciously and equally keep the fear factor up (as SAGE even admitted), I agree with Don about the summer factor.
I would feel a lot more uncomfortable sitting next to someone on a train that’s wearing a hot sweaty sweat and germ ridden mask as opposed to someone that’s not Lol
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Talk about misinformation. Cloth/fabric masks may not be as effective as medical level masks but they absolute do something, certainly at a community level, that has been shown time and time again in tests and studies.
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