Liverpool were top at Christmas and top of the form table the last 10-12 games.
We had a bad run when all our injuries took their toll but happy to be not fancied.
Such double standards. Rival fans questioning signings like Varane and Sancho just because we are getting them. Both are world class and will dominate the league, guarantee these same people would say the same thing if they went to Chelsea, City etc just anyone but United.
I am technically right in saying…. We haven’t officially signed ANYONE yet!!!
Glazers Out!!!
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posted 34 seconds ago
I am technically right in saying…. We haven’t officially signed ANYONE yet!!!
Glazers Out!!!
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LOL
But to the OPs point, while his record does factually show progression, This season, Ole does walk the finest of lines, does stand on the thinnest of ice…
This season, we have to put in a solid Title challenge.
Then that would solidify for me, that we are a bonafide force again…
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 40 minutes ago
Such double standards. Rival fans questioning signings like Varane and Sancho just because we are getting them. Both are world class and will dominate the league, guarantee these same people would say the same thing if they went to Chelsea, City etc just anyone but United.
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I think they're both great signing. Still reckon 4th though.
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comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 40 minutes ago
Such double standards. Rival fans questioning signings like Varane and Sancho just because we are getting them. Both are world class and will dominate the league, guarantee these same people would say the same thing if they went to Chelsea, City etc just anyone but United.
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I love Sancho, great player. Varane isn't the player he was 3 years ago and has been worse year on year.
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Yawn. Varane is a world class category 1 CB.
Varane and Sancho are very good players and are good signings for United. Unfortunately, it still doesn't make your team better than the likes of Liverpool and City yet either.
I'm not convinced you've got a consistent number 9 and the centre of your midfield is still by far your weakest area and your goalkeeper situation is less than ideal at the moment as well. Some pretty crucial areas where you're still quite a ways behind yet.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 55 seconds ago
I think Varane is a very good signing but even with him unless they get Bruno back to form I make it the weakest squad in the top four.
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Really? Weakest squad? If you think first 11, fair enough but in depth we've got the likes of Telles, Bailly, Henderson/De Gea, Lindelof, Martial, Greenwood, DVB, Matic is like 4th choice.
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Really? Weakest squad? If you think first 11, fair enough but in depth we've got the likes of Telles, Bailly, Henderson/De Gea, Lindelof, Martial, Greenwood, DVB, Matic is like 4th choice.
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That's kind of my point tbh. Not rating any of those, at all, bar maybe Greenwood and that's touch and go.
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Your opinion is your opinion, I disagree. I would say that referring to Greenwood as 'touch and go' is a touch ridiculous though and I'd question whether you've really watched him outside of the odd match of the day or something.
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
I think some people forget how bad it was around November 18. I don't think I've really experienced it that toxic before, we were a complete shambles.
No recognisable culture or philosophy. Poor form, barely making the champions league year after year. Aged players on high wages, we needed a huge clear out. The likes of Lukaku and Smalling were getting pelted - some people are now choosing to forget this - we had the likes of Sanchez not performing, rashford and Martial seemed disillusioned and were getting subbed for one and other. The football was poor, the results were poor. One particular game against Newcastle, we came back to win but at half time it was like Jose had given up, we went to a back 3 or something, with Pogba at cb? Can't remember exactly but it was a complete farce.
Fast forward less than 3 years and it's night and day. I know some people want instant change but that was never going to happen. We've cleared a lot of the deadwood, we have a structure and cohesive strategy in place, our results, performances and infrastructure are significantly better. Ole brought back the cameras at training to work on fitness and heat maps etc which Jose had scrapped. Returned the changing room setup so the youth squads mix with the first team again, reinforced investment into the academy which Jose had stopped. He's shown superb man management and has tactically beaten the likes of Klopp and Pep multiple times. He gets it wrong as well, sure but those who point that out tend to ignore the times he's got it spot on and we've had some great results against the likes of City, Chelsea, Liverpool etc. It just seems the poor results stick around in people's mind.
We've had some brilliant results in that time, from the 17 game unbeaten streak at the start of his tenure, to 9 nil against Southampton, the battering of Leipzig, coming back in the CL against PSG. We're bringing through youth and building a young squad that clearly centers around a particular culture, players who seem to enjoy playing together. We're a more attractive proposition, not a chance we lure the likes of Varane two years ago. We're finishing in the top and reaching semi finals and finals again. Yes, we need to go a step further and win something but we have to earn that, it doesn't just come by grace of our history.
I can totally get someone feeling we need someone else to take us up another level. Not my opinion but I can see and understand the argument. It's a game of opinions after all. What does get me though is the 'fans' who personally abuse the manager. Someone who not only gave us so many brilliant playing memories, scored an absolutely historic winner in the CL final for us, came in at no notice to bridge the gap after Jose left and has made us feel like Manchester United again. To say he isn't up to it is one thing, to call him names, say he's an idiot etc just shows that you don't actually care about the club, it's people and history, you just jumped on a winning band wagon and are annoyed that you aren't getting those bragging rights anymore. I have no time for people like that and we've got a good section of our fan base who are just an embarrassment in that regard. These are the people who don't care about culture, traditions, history, they will sell their Nan for a trophy and for me, it's about so much more than that. There's zero need to personally abuse a club legend, you can be critical whilst respecting that boundary.
We are in a very, very different place to just a couple of years ago. We've just signed one of the brightest, young, attacking talents in the world and look set to bring in one of the best defenders. It boggles my mind that it seems to be met with so much apathy from certain fans. If you can't get up for signings like that, what will you get excited for? Even if they don't work out, the optimism in the here and now should be there. We'll line up in some games next season with Rashford, Mason and Sancho, 2 of those 3 are from our academy and Marcus is the oldest of the lot at 23. In a few years time it could arguably be one of, if not the best attacking line up in the Premier League. We've got a reinvigorated Shaw, who only a year ago people were saying wasn't in the top 5 full backs in the league.
I've gone on plenty enough, I could continue on, I honestly feel we've come a long way, even if that isn't the full job done. I posted a link to a YouTube video with an interview with a lad at the athletic, in that he goes into quite a bit of detail of just how much Ole has done dbehind tthe scenes. Almost none of it were things I was aware of. I'd recommend having a watch at least.
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Makes me chuckle that because Varane is joining United, he's in decline and has been for years. On the other hand though, if he'd signed for City, Liverpool or Chelsea he'd be seen as the messiah himself.
Anyone but United eh!
Oh come on, it ain’t lost on us the spinning that goes on… you watch, Pogba leaves us. ‘Oh World Class Pogba dumps UTD’ or something like that anyway…
We get. You hate UTD, but be fair with it.
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 55 seconds ago
Makes me chuckle that because Varane is joining United, he's in decline and has been for years. On the other hand though, if he'd signed for City, Liverpool or Chelsea he'd be seen as the messiah himself.
Anyone but United eh!
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Nobody actually said Varane is a bad player though. It isn't wrong really to say he isn't as good as he once was though either. He's still very good, just not as good as he was. I think that's a pretty fair assessment of him myself.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 55 seconds ago
Makes me chuckle that because Varane is joining United, he's in decline and has been for years. On the other hand though, if he'd signed for City, Liverpool or Chelsea he'd be seen as the messiah himself.
Anyone but United eh!
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Nobody actually said Varane is a bad player though. It isn't wrong really to say he isn't as good as he once was though either. He's still very good, just not as good as he was. I think that's a pretty fair assessment of him myself.
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I think United fans will settle on an decent upgrade on Lindelof.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
Varane and Sancho are very good players and are good signings for United. Unfortunately, it still doesn't make your team better than the likes of Liverpool and City yet either.
I'm not convinced you've got a consistent number 9 and the centre of your midfield is still by far your weakest area and your goalkeeper situation is less than ideal at the moment as well. Some pretty crucial areas where you're still quite a ways behind yet.
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I wouldn't disagree that we're still behind those teams. Makes sense, football goes in cycles and both of those clubs have had their managers in place and squads developed for longer. We are playing catch up. The plus side is we have a lot of youth, we've got a pretty young squad. City will spend their way through keeping up but I think Liverpool probably need to really take advantage of the next couple of years because that's when they'll lreally be going into or through a transition and depending on whether Klopp stays or goes, it could be a tricky few years whilst they replace some pretty big performers and influential players. At that point it flips a bit and United should really have a settled squad, mostly around their mid to late 20s and aren't needing to plug gaps and play catch up.
Varane is in his prime, but apparently he's nothing like as good as he was in his pomp too!
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 55 seconds ago
I think Varane is a very good signing but even with him unless they get Bruno back to form I make it the weakest squad in the top four.
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Really? Weakest squad? If you think first 11, fair enough but in depth we've got the likes of Telles, Bailly, Henderson/De Gea, Lindelof, Martial, Greenwood, DVB, Matic is like 4th choice.
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Really? Weakest squad? If you think first 11, fair enough but in depth we've got the likes of Telles, Bailly, Henderson/De Gea, Lindelof, Martial, Greenwood, DVB, Matic is like 4th choice.
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That's kind of my point tbh. Not rating any of those, at all, bar maybe Greenwood and that's touch and go.
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Your opinion is your opinion, I disagree. I would say that referring to Greenwood as 'touch and go' is a touch ridiculous though and I'd question whether you've really watched him outside of the odd match of the day or something.
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He had a really difficult season last year but improved at the end.
Half of them don't even play for their country,
There’s this other rubbish about Ole, that he was only selected cos he’s an ex player who scored the winner in ‘99. Thinking that would play on the UTD fan heartstrings…..
But I’m sure he was selected, cos he had worked with UTDs youth team years before he left for Molde.
Maybe he created a good impression on the owners, and players.
Utd never forgot about. He was only brought in as caretaker, so he deffo wasn’t their first choice. But then that epic run of games, put the pressure on, and they gave him the job.
I wonder if they had held out til the end of that season, would Ole have been given it full-time?
But I’m happy with Ole, but will jump on his neck for foolishness. The pragmatic approach in the Big games and Arsenal shouldn’t be happening. We have a devastating attack.
I think it depends who the club sign within the next couple of years. Klopp's departure is probably closer to the end than not, but it depends who the club bring in over the next couple of seasons as well in certain positions that will decide if the club can sustain Klopp's level over the last few years, or at least a slight drop off but still at the top end of the table.
Of course that would depend on the manager as well, but for example players like TAA, Robertson, Fabinho etc will still be around then and the likes of Konate and Jota may have really pushed on and flourished. Similar situation to United in some ways, bring players in of a good age that can develop into first team quality and ultimately replace the ageing players would be ideal, but of course that's a tall order when looking at some of the players that will be declining in roughly the same period one would assume (VVD, Henderson, Mane, Salah, Firmino etc).
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 55 seconds ago
Makes me chuckle that because Varane is joining United, he's in decline and has been for years. On the other hand though, if he'd signed for City, Liverpool or Chelsea he'd be seen as the messiah himself.
Anyone but United eh!
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Nobody actually said Varane is a bad player though. It isn't wrong really to say he isn't as good as he once was though either. He's still very good, just not as good as he was. I think that's a pretty fair assessment of him myself.
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I think the issue is it (seems to be) coming from people who probably don't watch him that much. The amount of people I've seen say this absolutely won't watch Madrid more than a handful of times each year, if that. Madrid hasn't been rosy for a bit and his talent doesn't just disappear, he hasn't physically regressed. It's not so much that people are saying he's bad but these same people would almost certainly welcome him at their club. I didn't see one person mention him as a potential weakness before the Euros, France were pretty hot favourites for most people and of all the discussions I watched and listened to, nobody mentioned Varane regressing and being a potential concern. Fast forward a month and suddenly everyone's been watching him against the likes of Eibar and he's been in decline for 'years'.
I'd rather people just drop the club bias nonsense and just have a sensible debate/discussion. It does seem people are getting a tad concerned and it comes across as more wishful than an analytical opinion. That's what I think grinds people's gears a bit.
I'm not really fussed, I'm happy with the business we're doing. If a Liverpool fan isn't, fair enough. Considering this is a fan base who spent 30 says saying it's their year next year, I'd question the validity of their ability to accurately analyse and predict the forthcoming season anyway.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
I think it depends who the club sign within the next couple of years. Klopp's departure is probably closer to the end than not, but it depends who the club bring in over the next couple of seasons as well in certain positions that will decide if the club can sustain Klopp's level over the last few years, or at least a slight drop off but still at the top end of the table.
Of course that would depend on the manager as well, but for example players like TAA, Robertson, Fabinho etc will still be around then and the likes of Konate and Jota may have really pushed on and flourished. Similar situation to United in some ways, bring players in of a good age that can develop into first team quality and ultimately replace the ageing players would be ideal, but of course that's a tall order when looking at some of the players that will be declining in roughly the same period one would assume (VVD, Henderson, Mane, Salah, Firmino etc).
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Yeah I think that's fair. It will potentially coincide though with a United squad that is much more developed than it is now and unless your recruitment is bang on over the next couple of years, I think you could quite easily slip behind in terms of squad quality.
Everyone's opinion is as good as anyone else's at this stage. We won't know anything until the shooting starts.
Next the scousers and City fans will be telling us Rashford and Sancho are past their best too, and have lost all of their pace
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 5 minutes ago
Next the scousers and City fans will be telling us Rashford and Sancho are past their best too, and have lost all of their pace
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Why would they do that?
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posted on 21/7/21
Liverpool were top at Christmas and top of the form table the last 10-12 games.
We had a bad run when all our injuries took their toll but happy to be not fancied.
posted on 21/7/21
Such double standards. Rival fans questioning signings like Varane and Sancho just because we are getting them. Both are world class and will dominate the league, guarantee these same people would say the same thing if they went to Chelsea, City etc just anyone but United.
posted on 21/7/21
I am technically right in saying…. We haven’t officially signed ANYONE yet!!!
Glazers Out!!!
posted on 21/7/21
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 34 seconds ago
I am technically right in saying…. We haven’t officially signed ANYONE yet!!!
Glazers Out!!!
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LOL
posted on 21/7/21
But to the OPs point, while his record does factually show progression, This season, Ole does walk the finest of lines, does stand on the thinnest of ice…
This season, we have to put in a solid Title challenge.
Then that would solidify for me, that we are a bonafide force again…
posted on 21/7/21
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 40 minutes ago
Such double standards. Rival fans questioning signings like Varane and Sancho just because we are getting them. Both are world class and will dominate the league, guarantee these same people would say the same thing if they went to Chelsea, City etc just anyone but United.
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I think they're both great signing. Still reckon 4th though.
posted on 21/7/21
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posted on 21/7/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 40 minutes ago
Such double standards. Rival fans questioning signings like Varane and Sancho just because we are getting them. Both are world class and will dominate the league, guarantee these same people would say the same thing if they went to Chelsea, City etc just anyone but United.
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I love Sancho, great player. Varane isn't the player he was 3 years ago and has been worse year on year.
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Yawn. Varane is a world class category 1 CB.
posted on 21/7/21
Varane and Sancho are very good players and are good signings for United. Unfortunately, it still doesn't make your team better than the likes of Liverpool and City yet either.
I'm not convinced you've got a consistent number 9 and the centre of your midfield is still by far your weakest area and your goalkeeper situation is less than ideal at the moment as well. Some pretty crucial areas where you're still quite a ways behind yet.
posted on 21/7/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 55 seconds ago
I think Varane is a very good signing but even with him unless they get Bruno back to form I make it the weakest squad in the top four.
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Really? Weakest squad? If you think first 11, fair enough but in depth we've got the likes of Telles, Bailly, Henderson/De Gea, Lindelof, Martial, Greenwood, DVB, Matic is like 4th choice.
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Really? Weakest squad? If you think first 11, fair enough but in depth we've got the likes of Telles, Bailly, Henderson/De Gea, Lindelof, Martial, Greenwood, DVB, Matic is like 4th choice.
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That's kind of my point tbh. Not rating any of those, at all, bar maybe Greenwood and that's touch and go.
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Your opinion is your opinion, I disagree. I would say that referring to Greenwood as 'touch and go' is a touch ridiculous though and I'd question whether you've really watched him outside of the odd match of the day or something.
posted on 21/7/21
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
I think some people forget how bad it was around November 18. I don't think I've really experienced it that toxic before, we were a complete shambles.
No recognisable culture or philosophy. Poor form, barely making the champions league year after year. Aged players on high wages, we needed a huge clear out. The likes of Lukaku and Smalling were getting pelted - some people are now choosing to forget this - we had the likes of Sanchez not performing, rashford and Martial seemed disillusioned and were getting subbed for one and other. The football was poor, the results were poor. One particular game against Newcastle, we came back to win but at half time it was like Jose had given up, we went to a back 3 or something, with Pogba at cb? Can't remember exactly but it was a complete farce.
Fast forward less than 3 years and it's night and day. I know some people want instant change but that was never going to happen. We've cleared a lot of the deadwood, we have a structure and cohesive strategy in place, our results, performances and infrastructure are significantly better. Ole brought back the cameras at training to work on fitness and heat maps etc which Jose had scrapped. Returned the changing room setup so the youth squads mix with the first team again, reinforced investment into the academy which Jose had stopped. He's shown superb man management and has tactically beaten the likes of Klopp and Pep multiple times. He gets it wrong as well, sure but those who point that out tend to ignore the times he's got it spot on and we've had some great results against the likes of City, Chelsea, Liverpool etc. It just seems the poor results stick around in people's mind.
We've had some brilliant results in that time, from the 17 game unbeaten streak at the start of his tenure, to 9 nil against Southampton, the battering of Leipzig, coming back in the CL against PSG. We're bringing through youth and building a young squad that clearly centers around a particular culture, players who seem to enjoy playing together. We're a more attractive proposition, not a chance we lure the likes of Varane two years ago. We're finishing in the top and reaching semi finals and finals again. Yes, we need to go a step further and win something but we have to earn that, it doesn't just come by grace of our history.
I can totally get someone feeling we need someone else to take us up another level. Not my opinion but I can see and understand the argument. It's a game of opinions after all. What does get me though is the 'fans' who personally abuse the manager. Someone who not only gave us so many brilliant playing memories, scored an absolutely historic winner in the CL final for us, came in at no notice to bridge the gap after Jose left and has made us feel like Manchester United again. To say he isn't up to it is one thing, to call him names, say he's an idiot etc just shows that you don't actually care about the club, it's people and history, you just jumped on a winning band wagon and are annoyed that you aren't getting those bragging rights anymore. I have no time for people like that and we've got a good section of our fan base who are just an embarrassment in that regard. These are the people who don't care about culture, traditions, history, they will sell their Nan for a trophy and for me, it's about so much more than that. There's zero need to personally abuse a club legend, you can be critical whilst respecting that boundary.
We are in a very, very different place to just a couple of years ago. We've just signed one of the brightest, young, attacking talents in the world and look set to bring in one of the best defenders. It boggles my mind that it seems to be met with so much apathy from certain fans. If you can't get up for signings like that, what will you get excited for? Even if they don't work out, the optimism in the here and now should be there. We'll line up in some games next season with Rashford, Mason and Sancho, 2 of those 3 are from our academy and Marcus is the oldest of the lot at 23. In a few years time it could arguably be one of, if not the best attacking line up in the Premier League. We've got a reinvigorated Shaw, who only a year ago people were saying wasn't in the top 5 full backs in the league.
I've gone on plenty enough, I could continue on, I honestly feel we've come a long way, even if that isn't the full job done. I posted a link to a YouTube video with an interview with a lad at the athletic, in that he goes into quite a bit of detail of just how much Ole has done dbehind tthe scenes. Almost none of it were things I was aware of. I'd recommend having a watch at least.
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posted on 21/7/21
Makes me chuckle that because Varane is joining United, he's in decline and has been for years. On the other hand though, if he'd signed for City, Liverpool or Chelsea he'd be seen as the messiah himself.
Anyone but United eh!
posted on 21/7/21
Oh come on, it ain’t lost on us the spinning that goes on… you watch, Pogba leaves us. ‘Oh World Class Pogba dumps UTD’ or something like that anyway…
We get. You hate UTD, but be fair with it.
posted on 21/7/21
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 55 seconds ago
Makes me chuckle that because Varane is joining United, he's in decline and has been for years. On the other hand though, if he'd signed for City, Liverpool or Chelsea he'd be seen as the messiah himself.
Anyone but United eh!
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Nobody actually said Varane is a bad player though. It isn't wrong really to say he isn't as good as he once was though either. He's still very good, just not as good as he was. I think that's a pretty fair assessment of him myself.
posted on 21/7/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 55 seconds ago
Makes me chuckle that because Varane is joining United, he's in decline and has been for years. On the other hand though, if he'd signed for City, Liverpool or Chelsea he'd be seen as the messiah himself.
Anyone but United eh!
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Nobody actually said Varane is a bad player though. It isn't wrong really to say he isn't as good as he once was though either. He's still very good, just not as good as he was. I think that's a pretty fair assessment of him myself.
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I think United fans will settle on an decent upgrade on Lindelof.
posted on 21/7/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
Varane and Sancho are very good players and are good signings for United. Unfortunately, it still doesn't make your team better than the likes of Liverpool and City yet either.
I'm not convinced you've got a consistent number 9 and the centre of your midfield is still by far your weakest area and your goalkeeper situation is less than ideal at the moment as well. Some pretty crucial areas where you're still quite a ways behind yet.
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I wouldn't disagree that we're still behind those teams. Makes sense, football goes in cycles and both of those clubs have had their managers in place and squads developed for longer. We are playing catch up. The plus side is we have a lot of youth, we've got a pretty young squad. City will spend their way through keeping up but I think Liverpool probably need to really take advantage of the next couple of years because that's when they'll lreally be going into or through a transition and depending on whether Klopp stays or goes, it could be a tricky few years whilst they replace some pretty big performers and influential players. At that point it flips a bit and United should really have a settled squad, mostly around their mid to late 20s and aren't needing to plug gaps and play catch up.
posted on 21/7/21
Varane is in his prime, but apparently he's nothing like as good as he was in his pomp too!
posted on 21/7/21
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 55 seconds ago
I think Varane is a very good signing but even with him unless they get Bruno back to form I make it the weakest squad in the top four.
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Really? Weakest squad? If you think first 11, fair enough but in depth we've got the likes of Telles, Bailly, Henderson/De Gea, Lindelof, Martial, Greenwood, DVB, Matic is like 4th choice.
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Really? Weakest squad? If you think first 11, fair enough but in depth we've got the likes of Telles, Bailly, Henderson/De Gea, Lindelof, Martial, Greenwood, DVB, Matic is like 4th choice.
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That's kind of my point tbh. Not rating any of those, at all, bar maybe Greenwood and that's touch and go.
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Your opinion is your opinion, I disagree. I would say that referring to Greenwood as 'touch and go' is a touch ridiculous though and I'd question whether you've really watched him outside of the odd match of the day or something.
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He had a really difficult season last year but improved at the end.
Half of them don't even play for their country,
posted on 21/7/21
There’s this other rubbish about Ole, that he was only selected cos he’s an ex player who scored the winner in ‘99. Thinking that would play on the UTD fan heartstrings…..
But I’m sure he was selected, cos he had worked with UTDs youth team years before he left for Molde.
Maybe he created a good impression on the owners, and players.
Utd never forgot about. He was only brought in as caretaker, so he deffo wasn’t their first choice. But then that epic run of games, put the pressure on, and they gave him the job.
I wonder if they had held out til the end of that season, would Ole have been given it full-time?
But I’m happy with Ole, but will jump on his neck for foolishness. The pragmatic approach in the Big games and Arsenal shouldn’t be happening. We have a devastating attack.
posted on 21/7/21
I think it depends who the club sign within the next couple of years. Klopp's departure is probably closer to the end than not, but it depends who the club bring in over the next couple of seasons as well in certain positions that will decide if the club can sustain Klopp's level over the last few years, or at least a slight drop off but still at the top end of the table.
Of course that would depend on the manager as well, but for example players like TAA, Robertson, Fabinho etc will still be around then and the likes of Konate and Jota may have really pushed on and flourished. Similar situation to United in some ways, bring players in of a good age that can develop into first team quality and ultimately replace the ageing players would be ideal, but of course that's a tall order when looking at some of the players that will be declining in roughly the same period one would assume (VVD, Henderson, Mane, Salah, Firmino etc).
posted on 21/7/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 55 seconds ago
Makes me chuckle that because Varane is joining United, he's in decline and has been for years. On the other hand though, if he'd signed for City, Liverpool or Chelsea he'd be seen as the messiah himself.
Anyone but United eh!
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Nobody actually said Varane is a bad player though. It isn't wrong really to say he isn't as good as he once was though either. He's still very good, just not as good as he was. I think that's a pretty fair assessment of him myself.
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I think the issue is it (seems to be) coming from people who probably don't watch him that much. The amount of people I've seen say this absolutely won't watch Madrid more than a handful of times each year, if that. Madrid hasn't been rosy for a bit and his talent doesn't just disappear, he hasn't physically regressed. It's not so much that people are saying he's bad but these same people would almost certainly welcome him at their club. I didn't see one person mention him as a potential weakness before the Euros, France were pretty hot favourites for most people and of all the discussions I watched and listened to, nobody mentioned Varane regressing and being a potential concern. Fast forward a month and suddenly everyone's been watching him against the likes of Eibar and he's been in decline for 'years'.
I'd rather people just drop the club bias nonsense and just have a sensible debate/discussion. It does seem people are getting a tad concerned and it comes across as more wishful than an analytical opinion. That's what I think grinds people's gears a bit.
I'm not really fussed, I'm happy with the business we're doing. If a Liverpool fan isn't, fair enough. Considering this is a fan base who spent 30 says saying it's their year next year, I'd question the validity of their ability to accurately analyse and predict the forthcoming season anyway.
posted on 21/7/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
I think it depends who the club sign within the next couple of years. Klopp's departure is probably closer to the end than not, but it depends who the club bring in over the next couple of seasons as well in certain positions that will decide if the club can sustain Klopp's level over the last few years, or at least a slight drop off but still at the top end of the table.
Of course that would depend on the manager as well, but for example players like TAA, Robertson, Fabinho etc will still be around then and the likes of Konate and Jota may have really pushed on and flourished. Similar situation to United in some ways, bring players in of a good age that can develop into first team quality and ultimately replace the ageing players would be ideal, but of course that's a tall order when looking at some of the players that will be declining in roughly the same period one would assume (VVD, Henderson, Mane, Salah, Firmino etc).
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Yeah I think that's fair. It will potentially coincide though with a United squad that is much more developed than it is now and unless your recruitment is bang on over the next couple of years, I think you could quite easily slip behind in terms of squad quality.
posted on 21/7/21
Everyone's opinion is as good as anyone else's at this stage. We won't know anything until the shooting starts.
posted on 21/7/21
Next the scousers and City fans will be telling us Rashford and Sancho are past their best too, and have lost all of their pace
posted on 21/7/21
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 5 minutes ago
Next the scousers and City fans will be telling us Rashford and Sancho are past their best too, and have lost all of their pace
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Why would they do that?
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