Robb
But what you are talking about are societal measures, raising taxes, making things inconvenient.
They are not direct medical interventions and shouldn't be judged in the same way. There is a massive difference between a sugar tax on soft drinks and standing next to someone and saying is you ever have a full sugar soft drink again then no more holidays, going out to pubs or restaurants, or social and sports events for you.
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
comment by Just go already (U21166)
posted 14 minutes ago
Robb
But what you are talking about are societal measures, raising taxes, making things inconvenient.
They are not direct medical interventions and shouldn't be judged in the same way. There is a massive difference between a sugar tax on soft drinks and standing next to someone and saying is you ever have a full sugar soft drink again then no more holidays, going out to pubs or restaurants, or social and sports events for you.
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Firstly I’d imagine the passport would only be for a year or so and some kind of law would have to be passed where MPs would vote after a set period of time to stop it just being there forever .
And regarding the smoking ban - for now and the rest of time no one will be able to smoke in a pub or restaurant ever again. I’m sure once upon a time that would have been thought as a draconian law. But it was a necessary evil.
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 59 minutes ago
Unless you have a specific medical reason and a doctor says you shouldn't have it there is literally no rational reason not to have this jab.
This nonsense about it being rushed etc makes me laugh. You would rather be exposed to a virus which we don't know much about the long term effects than a vaccine which has been worked on tirelessly by the best science has to offer and has been used on over a billion people?
If people want to be ignorant that's up to them. But I am all for vaccine passports (once everyone has had the opportunity to be jabbed twice). I would suggest children and those genuinely unable to take the jab would be except.
But the uneducated who refuse to take the jab deserve to be left on the sidelines.
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In your view, why should children be exempt then? Because, based on what you say then there is no risk to them and they could also be carriers.
Why are children exempt?
I should be able to choose whether I have a vaccination without being ostracised.
And I repeat, I do NOT agree that the vaccine significantly reduces transmission. It doesn't.
comment by Just go already (U21166)
posted 26 minutes ago
Robb
But what you are talking about are societal measures, raising taxes, making things inconvenient.
They are not direct medical interventions and shouldn't be judged in the same way. There is a massive difference between a sugar tax on soft drinks and standing next to someone and saying is you ever have a full sugar soft drink again then no more holidays, going out to pubs or restaurants, or social and sports events for you.
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I do see what you mean but I think (or rather, hope) that other medical interventions would have no public appetite and so there would be no incentive for politicians to act
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
I find it harsh why some people slate those choosing not to have the vaccine. I'm not anti vaccine, but I currently have chosen not to have the vaccine so far. That may change in the future, but currently I'm not going to have it.
Why should that stop me doing things? Those jabbed are exactly that, jabbed. Therefore, if you feel "protected" then why worry. We still know those vaccinated pass it on, just less likely to be seriously ill from covid. Infact, as much as anyone says otherwise, I am not convinced those vaccinated reduce infection rates whatsoever.
The way this government is going about getting people to have the vaccine is clever. Looking at the age groups for those with fewer vaccinated and make it mandatory for them to attend things that those in the age group want to do. They said it would never be compulsory, yet it sort of is.
I don't understand why testing isn't used as an alternative to being vaccinated.
People have bene conditioned to feel that if they are vaccinated that they are superior to those who aren't. Been conditioned to thinking those not vaccinated are selfish.
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Bake em. I agree I don`t think people should be forced to have a vaccine. But how will it affect you getting into WHL if you have not had the jabs, when it seems the requirement will be to have had both vaccines to get entry. Seems a bit unfair. Nothing is going to be 100 per cent safe, so don`t see much difference with just lifting all the restrictions if they think now is the right time. And that will include entry whether you have been vaccinated or not.
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Sorry Sandy, wasn't ignoring you.
I'm seriously at risk of not being let in. I know that. I bought my ST again for this year prior to knowing this. If it's the way it goes then I will not have the vaccine to get me to football. That's the wrong reason to have it, I'd suggest the government know exactly what they ate doing.
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comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 59 minutes ago
Unless you have a specific medical reason and a doctor says you shouldn't have it there is literally no rational reason not to have this jab.
This nonsense about it being rushed etc makes me laugh. You would rather be exposed to a virus which we don't know much about the long term effects than a vaccine which has been worked on tirelessly by the best science has to offer and has been used on over a billion people?
If people want to be ignorant that's up to them. But I am all for vaccine passports (once everyone has had the opportunity to be jabbed twice). I would suggest children and those genuinely unable to take the jab would be except.
But the uneducated who refuse to take the jab deserve to be left on the sidelines.
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In your view, why should children be exempt then? Because, based on what you say then there is no risk to them and they could also be carriers.
Why are children exempt?
I should be able to choose whether I have a vaccination without being ostracised.
And I repeat, I do NOT agree that the vaccine significantly reduces transmission. It doesn't.
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Children ARE carriers of the disease but, crucially, vaccine efficacy tests haven't been trialed on those age groups yet so whether it is safe to vaccinate them isn't known - until it is they won't receive jabs. That hampers our overall immunity levels which is why we need every adult we can get to receive the vax until we know it's safe to give to younger ages.
And I'm sorry but you are wrong on that last point - there's no margin for opinion versus medical fact:
In April, Public Health England reported the results of a large study of COVID-19 transmission involving more than 365,000 households with a mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated members.
It found immunisation with either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine reduced the chance of onward virus transmission by 40-60%. This means that if someone became infected after being vaccinated, they were only around half as likely to pass their infection on to others compared to infected people who weren’t vaccinated.
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
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That answer doesn't cut it for me. Children haven't been trialled yet
Why? What's the issue? They are carriers yet still we don't know if they can have the vaccine.
You crack on with it and good luck to you. You live your life, il live mine.
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
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comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
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That answer doesn't cut it for me. Children haven't been trialled yet
Why? What's the issue? They are carriers yet still we don't know if they can have the vaccine.
You crack on with it and good luck to you. You live your life, il live mine.
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It's just the way vaccine studies work - they start with healthy adults and then move down to vulnerable adults and then pregnant women and eventually children (age-by-age). Often the whole process takes years but when you have a pandemic you don't wait to move forward once you've confirmed safety in each group
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
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comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
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That answer doesn't cut it for me. Children haven't been trialled yet
Why? What's the issue? They are carriers yet still we don't know if they can have the vaccine.
You crack on with it and good luck to you. You live your life, il live mine.
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It’s always the dumbest people who don’t want the vaccine. At least the world should be smarter in a year or so.
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
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comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
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Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
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That answer doesn't cut it for me. Children haven't been trialled yet
Why? What's the issue? They are carriers yet still we don't know if they can have the vaccine.
You crack on with it and good luck to you. You live your life, il live mine.
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It's just the way vaccine studies work - they start with healthy adults and then move down to vulnerable adults and then pregnant women and eventually children (age-by-age). Often the whole process takes years but when you have a pandemic you don't wait to move forward once you've confirmed safety in each group
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That's not the way it's been rolled out though. Vulnerable went first. I understand why and to be fair it's about disk and reward, if you are seriously at risk of covid then get the vaccine.
We are now what, 6 months or more into vaccine roll out? Everyone is OK, except our most precious of our kind: children.
Risk and reward. The risk for children is not worth the reward of the vaccine.
As I say, I'm not ruling out having the vaccine at a later stage. I have looked at as much neutral research as I can...i haven't pressed my views on others, my wife has had the vaccine. My Mum, my in laws etc.
My own opinion is that I need alot more reassuring. That may take a little time, I believe I have every right to take my time on this.
Whether I'm called abusive names on here or not, at least try to understand rather than slate.
Robb
I think you are almost certainly correct medically concerning the safety of the vaccine.
Your just wrong how you wish to force a medical procedure on others.
As I stated earlier I'm double jabbed, my decision. What others do should be thier decision and that decision shouldn't be enforced by the government making normal life practically impossible for those who for whatever reason haven't been vaccinated.
Yes, yes there may well be a small possibility the "Bake em'" not being vaccinated may mean that me, my family or anyone else may be at a slight higher risk of illness; so what?
We never have before and shouldn't start now curtailing personal choice when it comes to medical interventions.
Let people access the risk for themselves, yes it's possible an unvaccinated person may potentially put the vaccinated at risk, that's called living in society. We all put each other at risk in a multitude of ways every day, if you can't accept that go and live as an off grid spoon whittling entrepreneur.
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posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
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That answer doesn't cut it for me. Children haven't been trialled yet
Why? What's the issue? They are carriers yet still we don't know if they can have the vaccine.
You crack on with it and good luck to you. You live your life, il live mine.
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It’s always the dumbest people who don’t want the vaccine. At least the world should be smarter in a year or so.
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You have no idea who does and doesn't want it. You literqllt haven't contributed at all, except my keep calling me names. Crack on mate, try not to get angry all the time.
Il be here in a years time, don't you worry about that.
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Robb
I think you are almost certainly correct medically concerning the safety of the vaccine.
Your just wrong how you wish to force a medical procedure on others.
As I stated earlier I'm double jabbed, my decision. What others do should be thier decision and that decision shouldn't be enforced by the government making normal life practically impossible for those who for whatever reason haven't been vaccinated.
Yes, yes there may well be a small possibility the "Bake em'" not being vaccinated may mean that me, my family or anyone else may be at a slight higher risk of illness; so what?
We never have before and shouldn't start now curtailing personal choice when it comes to medical interventions.
Let people access the risk for themselves, yes it's possible an unvaccinated person may potentially put the vaccinated at risk, that's called living in society. We all put each other at risk in a multitude of ways every day, if you can't accept that go and live as an off grid spoon whittling entrepreneur.
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Spot on. Plus, don't forget that is Robb is double jabbed then he has nothing to worry about in his view.
I do genuinely get the arguement around protecting those that can't have it. And to be fair this is a strong arguement for me to have it. I would definitely have it today if it meant I would be able to stop others being ill. I am just yet to be convinced by researching neutral data.
I have reviewed government data around the vaccine. I was suprised by the amount of issues people have following it. Including deaths. Yes it's significantly lower than covid itself but the stats turn away from vulnerable and more towards "average".
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posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Just go already (U21166)
posted 42 seconds ago
Robb
I think you are almost certainly correct medically concerning the safety of the vaccine.
Your just wrong how you wish to force a medical procedure on others.
As I stated earlier I'm double jabbed, my decision. What others do should be thier decision and that decision shouldn't be enforced by the government making normal life practically impossible for those who for whatever reason haven't been vaccinated.
Yes, yes there may well be a small possibility the "Bake em'" not being vaccinated may mean that me, my family or anyone else may be at a slight higher risk of illness; so what?
We never have before and shouldn't start now curtailing personal choice when it comes to medical interventions.
Let people access the risk for themselves, yes it's possible an unvaccinated person may potentially put the vaccinated at risk, that's called living in society. We all put each other at risk in a multitude of ways every day, if you can't accept that go and live as an off grid spoon whittling entrepreneur.
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Spot on. Plus, don't forget that is Robb is double jabbed then he has nothing to worry about in his view.
I do genuinely get the arguement around protecting those that can't have it. And to be fair this is a strong arguement for me to have it. I would definitely have it today if it meant I would be able to stop others being ill. I am just yet to be convinced by researching neutral data.
I have reviewed government data around the vaccine. I was suprised by the amount of issues people have following it. Including deaths. Yes it's significantly lower than covid itself but the stats turn away from vulnerable and more towards "average".
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It was given to vulnerable people early because there were vulnerable people in the trials, there haven't been children in trails yet because their bodies and immune systems are so different to adults, they are always the last to be tested in a trial.
I don't know if it reassures you or not but the chances of adverse effects from the vaccine is really low (1 in 31,000) which is about the same chance as a women dying from taking the pill (or most normal medicines). You probably have more chance of getting hit by a car or from alcohol. Ultimately, if you're really not sure then talk to your GP, they know better than anyone on the internet.
Not trying to preach, it is your choice, but know that opponents to your view can be angry because people are ultimately scared.
Interestingly a similar thing is now starting to happen in the US - private companies are starting to get annoyed by the Government and have started to implement covid passports to get into their venues (or to go to work) so that they don't get outbreaks and lose more money.
I don't think most people realize that the vaccine has been rolled out under emergency legislation and has not be tested as thoroughly as traditional vaccines. The fact is that we still don't know the long term effects.
Another thing about it is that the vaccine is not a protection against the virus. More a protein that is consistent with the virus which is an ingenious way to provide protection and ensure protection against variants, however it does not stop you from spreading the virus either. Simply it gives your immune system a head start on defending itself from the virus which is fantastic, but there are a lot of people out there that think that they will be able to beat it without the help of a vaccine.
I don't blame people for not wanting to get vaccinated with the above information available to us and the fact that we are putting in place these "quasi mandates" stinks and I understand the concerns of people that want to defend their civil liberties. Things like this start small and then grow. It is like a frog in boiling water; if you boil it slowly enough it won't realize what has happened until it is too late.
I would support these vaccine passports so long as we have a clear, unextendible expiration date for the vaccine passport mandate. We should not be making this a permanent requirement.
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comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
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That answer doesn't cut it for me. Children haven't been trialled yet
Why? What's the issue? They are carriers yet still we don't know if they can have the vaccine.
You crack on with it and good luck to you. You live your life, il live mine.
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What a priiickish viewpoint. If only it was "you do you and I'll do me". Unfortunately it isn't and this attitude will keep us in the midst of this for longer than needed.
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Actually, to be fair you can easily pick this one comment I made and choose to just reply to this. I'd actually say that I replied like this due to the comments I was getting from this poster.
If you read my other replies, I was more balanced and even said that I would have the vaccine if I was convinced it would mean I stopped the spread. But I am yet to be convinced of this, based on my own extensive research.
You are the type of poster who picks the comments he wants to reply to.
I find it interesting that you ignored my recent comments such as:
"I do genuinely get the arguement around protecting those that can't have it. And to be fair this is a strong arguement for me to have it. I would definitely have it today if it meant I would be able to stop others being ill. I am just yet to be convinced by researching neutral data".
Instead you choose the one comment I made where I sort of "but" back.
Accept I am my own person who wants to make an informed choice based on my own concerns.
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posted on 28/7/21
Robb
But what you are talking about are societal measures, raising taxes, making things inconvenient.
They are not direct medical interventions and shouldn't be judged in the same way. There is a massive difference between a sugar tax on soft drinks and standing next to someone and saying is you ever have a full sugar soft drink again then no more holidays, going out to pubs or restaurants, or social and sports events for you.
posted on 28/7/21
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Just go already (U21166)
posted 14 minutes ago
Robb
But what you are talking about are societal measures, raising taxes, making things inconvenient.
They are not direct medical interventions and shouldn't be judged in the same way. There is a massive difference between a sugar tax on soft drinks and standing next to someone and saying is you ever have a full sugar soft drink again then no more holidays, going out to pubs or restaurants, or social and sports events for you.
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Firstly I’d imagine the passport would only be for a year or so and some kind of law would have to be passed where MPs would vote after a set period of time to stop it just being there forever .
And regarding the smoking ban - for now and the rest of time no one will be able to smoke in a pub or restaurant ever again. I’m sure once upon a time that would have been thought as a draconian law. But it was a necessary evil.
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 59 minutes ago
Unless you have a specific medical reason and a doctor says you shouldn't have it there is literally no rational reason not to have this jab.
This nonsense about it being rushed etc makes me laugh. You would rather be exposed to a virus which we don't know much about the long term effects than a vaccine which has been worked on tirelessly by the best science has to offer and has been used on over a billion people?
If people want to be ignorant that's up to them. But I am all for vaccine passports (once everyone has had the opportunity to be jabbed twice). I would suggest children and those genuinely unable to take the jab would be except.
But the uneducated who refuse to take the jab deserve to be left on the sidelines.
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In your view, why should children be exempt then? Because, based on what you say then there is no risk to them and they could also be carriers.
Why are children exempt?
I should be able to choose whether I have a vaccination without being ostracised.
And I repeat, I do NOT agree that the vaccine significantly reduces transmission. It doesn't.
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Just go already (U21166)
posted 26 minutes ago
Robb
But what you are talking about are societal measures, raising taxes, making things inconvenient.
They are not direct medical interventions and shouldn't be judged in the same way. There is a massive difference between a sugar tax on soft drinks and standing next to someone and saying is you ever have a full sugar soft drink again then no more holidays, going out to pubs or restaurants, or social and sports events for you.
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I do see what you mean but I think (or rather, hope) that other medical interventions would have no public appetite and so there would be no incentive for politicians to act
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
posted on 28/7/21
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 4 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
I find it harsh why some people slate those choosing not to have the vaccine. I'm not anti vaccine, but I currently have chosen not to have the vaccine so far. That may change in the future, but currently I'm not going to have it.
Why should that stop me doing things? Those jabbed are exactly that, jabbed. Therefore, if you feel "protected" then why worry. We still know those vaccinated pass it on, just less likely to be seriously ill from covid. Infact, as much as anyone says otherwise, I am not convinced those vaccinated reduce infection rates whatsoever.
The way this government is going about getting people to have the vaccine is clever. Looking at the age groups for those with fewer vaccinated and make it mandatory for them to attend things that those in the age group want to do. They said it would never be compulsory, yet it sort of is.
I don't understand why testing isn't used as an alternative to being vaccinated.
People have bene conditioned to feel that if they are vaccinated that they are superior to those who aren't. Been conditioned to thinking those not vaccinated are selfish.
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Bake em. I agree I don`t think people should be forced to have a vaccine. But how will it affect you getting into WHL if you have not had the jabs, when it seems the requirement will be to have had both vaccines to get entry. Seems a bit unfair. Nothing is going to be 100 per cent safe, so don`t see much difference with just lifting all the restrictions if they think now is the right time. And that will include entry whether you have been vaccinated or not.
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Sorry Sandy, wasn't ignoring you.
I'm seriously at risk of not being let in. I know that. I bought my ST again for this year prior to knowing this. If it's the way it goes then I will not have the vaccine to get me to football. That's the wrong reason to have it, I'd suggest the government know exactly what they ate doing.
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 59 minutes ago
Unless you have a specific medical reason and a doctor says you shouldn't have it there is literally no rational reason not to have this jab.
This nonsense about it being rushed etc makes me laugh. You would rather be exposed to a virus which we don't know much about the long term effects than a vaccine which has been worked on tirelessly by the best science has to offer and has been used on over a billion people?
If people want to be ignorant that's up to them. But I am all for vaccine passports (once everyone has had the opportunity to be jabbed twice). I would suggest children and those genuinely unable to take the jab would be except.
But the uneducated who refuse to take the jab deserve to be left on the sidelines.
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In your view, why should children be exempt then? Because, based on what you say then there is no risk to them and they could also be carriers.
Why are children exempt?
I should be able to choose whether I have a vaccination without being ostracised.
And I repeat, I do NOT agree that the vaccine significantly reduces transmission. It doesn't.
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Children ARE carriers of the disease but, crucially, vaccine efficacy tests haven't been trialed on those age groups yet so whether it is safe to vaccinate them isn't known - until it is they won't receive jabs. That hampers our overall immunity levels which is why we need every adult we can get to receive the vax until we know it's safe to give to younger ages.
And I'm sorry but you are wrong on that last point - there's no margin for opinion versus medical fact:
In April, Public Health England reported the results of a large study of COVID-19 transmission involving more than 365,000 households with a mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated members.
It found immunisation with either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine reduced the chance of onward virus transmission by 40-60%. This means that if someone became infected after being vaccinated, they were only around half as likely to pass their infection on to others compared to infected people who weren’t vaccinated.
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Robb - Dean Boxall is a legend (U22311)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Dean Boxall is a legend (U22311)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Robb - Dean Boxall is a legend (U22311)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Dean Boxall is a legend (U22311)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
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That answer doesn't cut it for me. Children haven't been trialled yet
Why? What's the issue? They are carriers yet still we don't know if they can have the vaccine.
You crack on with it and good luck to you. You live your life, il live mine.
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - Dean Boxall is a legend (U22311)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Dean Boxall is a legend (U22311)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
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That answer doesn't cut it for me. Children haven't been trialled yet
Why? What's the issue? They are carriers yet still we don't know if they can have the vaccine.
You crack on with it and good luck to you. You live your life, il live mine.
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It's just the way vaccine studies work - they start with healthy adults and then move down to vulnerable adults and then pregnant women and eventually children (age-by-age). Often the whole process takes years but when you have a pandemic you don't wait to move forward once you've confirmed safety in each group
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Dean Boxall is a legend (U22311)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Dean Boxall is a legend (U22311)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
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That answer doesn't cut it for me. Children haven't been trialled yet
Why? What's the issue? They are carriers yet still we don't know if they can have the vaccine.
You crack on with it and good luck to you. You live your life, il live mine.
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It’s always the dumbest people who don’t want the vaccine. At least the world should be smarter in a year or so.
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Huddlestone's Afro - Rock you like a HurriKane! (U15375)
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comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
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Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
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That answer doesn't cut it for me. Children haven't been trialled yet
Why? What's the issue? They are carriers yet still we don't know if they can have the vaccine.
You crack on with it and good luck to you. You live your life, il live mine.
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It's just the way vaccine studies work - they start with healthy adults and then move down to vulnerable adults and then pregnant women and eventually children (age-by-age). Often the whole process takes years but when you have a pandemic you don't wait to move forward once you've confirmed safety in each group
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That's not the way it's been rolled out though. Vulnerable went first. I understand why and to be fair it's about disk and reward, if you are seriously at risk of covid then get the vaccine.
We are now what, 6 months or more into vaccine roll out? Everyone is OK, except our most precious of our kind: children.
Risk and reward. The risk for children is not worth the reward of the vaccine.
As I say, I'm not ruling out having the vaccine at a later stage. I have looked at as much neutral research as I can...i haven't pressed my views on others, my wife has had the vaccine. My Mum, my in laws etc.
My own opinion is that I need alot more reassuring. That may take a little time, I believe I have every right to take my time on this.
Whether I'm called abusive names on here or not, at least try to understand rather than slate.
posted on 28/7/21
Robb
I think you are almost certainly correct medically concerning the safety of the vaccine.
Your just wrong how you wish to force a medical procedure on others.
As I stated earlier I'm double jabbed, my decision. What others do should be thier decision and that decision shouldn't be enforced by the government making normal life practically impossible for those who for whatever reason haven't been vaccinated.
Yes, yes there may well be a small possibility the "Bake em'" not being vaccinated may mean that me, my family or anyone else may be at a slight higher risk of illness; so what?
We never have before and shouldn't start now curtailing personal choice when it comes to medical interventions.
Let people access the risk for themselves, yes it's possible an unvaccinated person may potentially put the vaccinated at risk, that's called living in society. We all put each other at risk in a multitude of ways every day, if you can't accept that go and live as an off grid spoon whittling entrepreneur.
posted on 28/7/21
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comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
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That answer doesn't cut it for me. Children haven't been trialled yet
Why? What's the issue? They are carriers yet still we don't know if they can have the vaccine.
You crack on with it and good luck to you. You live your life, il live mine.
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It’s always the dumbest people who don’t want the vaccine. At least the world should be smarter in a year or so.
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You have no idea who does and doesn't want it. You literqllt haven't contributed at all, except my keep calling me names. Crack on mate, try not to get angry all the time.
Il be here in a years time, don't you worry about that.
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Just go already (U21166)
posted 42 seconds ago
Robb
I think you are almost certainly correct medically concerning the safety of the vaccine.
Your just wrong how you wish to force a medical procedure on others.
As I stated earlier I'm double jabbed, my decision. What others do should be thier decision and that decision shouldn't be enforced by the government making normal life practically impossible for those who for whatever reason haven't been vaccinated.
Yes, yes there may well be a small possibility the "Bake em'" not being vaccinated may mean that me, my family or anyone else may be at a slight higher risk of illness; so what?
We never have before and shouldn't start now curtailing personal choice when it comes to medical interventions.
Let people access the risk for themselves, yes it's possible an unvaccinated person may potentially put the vaccinated at risk, that's called living in society. We all put each other at risk in a multitude of ways every day, if you can't accept that go and live as an off grid spoon whittling entrepreneur.
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Spot on. Plus, don't forget that is Robb is double jabbed then he has nothing to worry about in his view.
I do genuinely get the arguement around protecting those that can't have it. And to be fair this is a strong arguement for me to have it. I would definitely have it today if it meant I would be able to stop others being ill. I am just yet to be convinced by researching neutral data.
I have reviewed government data around the vaccine. I was suprised by the amount of issues people have following it. Including deaths. Yes it's significantly lower than covid itself but the stats turn away from vulnerable and more towards "average".
posted on 28/7/21
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Just go already (U21166)
posted 42 seconds ago
Robb
I think you are almost certainly correct medically concerning the safety of the vaccine.
Your just wrong how you wish to force a medical procedure on others.
As I stated earlier I'm double jabbed, my decision. What others do should be thier decision and that decision shouldn't be enforced by the government making normal life practically impossible for those who for whatever reason haven't been vaccinated.
Yes, yes there may well be a small possibility the "Bake em'" not being vaccinated may mean that me, my family or anyone else may be at a slight higher risk of illness; so what?
We never have before and shouldn't start now curtailing personal choice when it comes to medical interventions.
Let people access the risk for themselves, yes it's possible an unvaccinated person may potentially put the vaccinated at risk, that's called living in society. We all put each other at risk in a multitude of ways every day, if you can't accept that go and live as an off grid spoon whittling entrepreneur.
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Spot on. Plus, don't forget that is Robb is double jabbed then he has nothing to worry about in his view.
I do genuinely get the arguement around protecting those that can't have it. And to be fair this is a strong arguement for me to have it. I would definitely have it today if it meant I would be able to stop others being ill. I am just yet to be convinced by researching neutral data.
I have reviewed government data around the vaccine. I was suprised by the amount of issues people have following it. Including deaths. Yes it's significantly lower than covid itself but the stats turn away from vulnerable and more towards "average".
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It was given to vulnerable people early because there were vulnerable people in the trials, there haven't been children in trails yet because their bodies and immune systems are so different to adults, they are always the last to be tested in a trial.
I don't know if it reassures you or not but the chances of adverse effects from the vaccine is really low (1 in 31,000) which is about the same chance as a women dying from taking the pill (or most normal medicines). You probably have more chance of getting hit by a car or from alcohol. Ultimately, if you're really not sure then talk to your GP, they know better than anyone on the internet.
Not trying to preach, it is your choice, but know that opponents to your view can be angry because people are ultimately scared.
posted on 28/7/21
Interestingly a similar thing is now starting to happen in the US - private companies are starting to get annoyed by the Government and have started to implement covid passports to get into their venues (or to go to work) so that they don't get outbreaks and lose more money.
posted on 28/7/21
I don't think most people realize that the vaccine has been rolled out under emergency legislation and has not be tested as thoroughly as traditional vaccines. The fact is that we still don't know the long term effects.
Another thing about it is that the vaccine is not a protection against the virus. More a protein that is consistent with the virus which is an ingenious way to provide protection and ensure protection against variants, however it does not stop you from spreading the virus either. Simply it gives your immune system a head start on defending itself from the virus which is fantastic, but there are a lot of people out there that think that they will be able to beat it without the help of a vaccine.
I don't blame people for not wanting to get vaccinated with the above information available to us and the fact that we are putting in place these "quasi mandates" stinks and I understand the concerns of people that want to defend their civil liberties. Things like this start small and then grow. It is like a frog in boiling water; if you boil it slowly enough it won't realize what has happened until it is too late.
I would support these vaccine passports so long as we have a clear, unextendible expiration date for the vaccine passport mandate. We should not be making this a permanent requirement.
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posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures.
There is not a single rational reason for someone who is able to not to get the vaccine. It's in their interests, their family and friends but most importantly society as a whole. The higher the vaccine rates the less susceptible we are to further restrictions in future.
Imo this is very different to obesity, smoking etc. They are far more complex deep rooted issues.
Asking people to take a vaccine which has been universally approved by the best in science to continue to be allowed into certain venues is just common sense to me.
I'm getting quite sick of pandering to the idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Time for a tougher stance. They are too uneducated to realise people like them increase the chances of future restrictions.
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Clearly your mind is made up. People like you will never consider other people's point of view. That's fine.
But I am not having the vaccine until I feel more confident with it. I have seen someone I know become seriously ill with Bells Palsy as a result. I also don't give a shet what you say, but long terms impacts cannot be confirmed. That's partly why children have not been made to have it. There is no reason all children shouldn't be offered it if it's as safe as you believe.
Il wait abit. Feel more confident with the vaccine when I'm ready, not when you say or when society says. If all those that need it have it, then I say fair game and let's reopen.
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You sound like an absolute dumbass. What long term impacts would there even be? The MRNA vaccine leaves the body a few hours after it’s done it’s job.
As for the children not having it - its because it hasn’t been trialled in children yet (or that might be happening now and the results will be in soon).
You are part of a massive experiment by not having the vaccine now so well done, you’re actually making a worse medical decision than if you did have the vaccine 👏
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You are just a poster online following the guidance of those who want you to have the vaccine. They won't highlight issues.
Without being abusive, tell me why children are currently exempt then....
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The answers are above ^^
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That answer doesn't cut it for me. Children haven't been trialled yet
Why? What's the issue? They are carriers yet still we don't know if they can have the vaccine.
You crack on with it and good luck to you. You live your life, il live mine.
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What a priiickish viewpoint. If only it was "you do you and I'll do me". Unfortunately it isn't and this attitude will keep us in the midst of this for longer than needed.
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Actually, to be fair you can easily pick this one comment I made and choose to just reply to this. I'd actually say that I replied like this due to the comments I was getting from this poster.
If you read my other replies, I was more balanced and even said that I would have the vaccine if I was convinced it would mean I stopped the spread. But I am yet to be convinced of this, based on my own extensive research.
You are the type of poster who picks the comments he wants to reply to.
I find it interesting that you ignored my recent comments such as:
"I do genuinely get the arguement around protecting those that can't have it. And to be fair this is a strong arguement for me to have it. I would definitely have it today if it meant I would be able to stop others being ill. I am just yet to be convinced by researching neutral data".
Instead you choose the one comment I made where I sort of "but" back.
Accept I am my own person who wants to make an informed choice based on my own concerns.
posted on 28/7/21
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