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comment by Ron (U1646)

posted on 27/7/21

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 15 minutes ago
If we got an elite goalkeeper, cdm and manager then we would have a great chance of winning the league or champions league.

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So you want to replace the manager that has built a good squad to the strengths that he wants? Surely you let him see what he can do with that squad first?
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What strengths? This squad hasn't looked like winning a major trophy since he took over. Despite spending 300 million pounds.

I think Ole should have been sacked after the europa League final, and a replacement brought in.

Maybe I am delusional, but I expect United to be winning trophies.

The performances on the pitch have been disjointed, we haven't won anything, and he has never matched the 81 points United managed the season before he took over.

This whole progression idea has very little substance. League was over with 10 games to go last year, exited group stages of the champions league, and didn't win a trophy.

If that is seen as a good season for a United manager we obviously aren't a massive club anymore.

posted on 28/7/21

comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 12 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 15 minutes ago
If we got an elite goalkeeper, cdm and manager then we would have a great chance of winning the league or champions league.

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So you want to replace the manager that has built a good squad to the strengths that he wants? Surely you let him see what he can do with that squad first?
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What strengths? This squad hasn't looked like winning a major trophy since he took over. Despite spending 300 million pounds.

I think Ole should have been sacked after the europa League final, and a replacement brought in.

Maybe I am delusional, but I expect United to be winning trophies.

The performances on the pitch have been disjointed, we haven't won anything, and he has never matched the 81 points United managed the season before he took over.

This whole progression idea has very little substance. League was over with 10 games to go last year, exited group stages of the champions league, and didn't win a trophy.

If that is seen as a good season for a United manager we obviously aren't a massive club anymore.
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With the amount of money that we generate and spend we should certainly be challenging for titles. But I find your view very simplistic. Ole took over a squad that had players from 4 different managers. It was old, unbalanced and contained a lot of deadwood. It required the biggest overhaul that we have seen at OT since SAF took over.

It is always going to be difficult to undertake such an overhaul whilst remaining competitive for the biggest trophies. Especially at a time when Liverpool and City have raised the bar so high. We now have a squad that is much younger and more balanced and I believe that we are in a much stronger position moving forwards. There are still a couple of areas that need strengthening, but if Ole were to leave tomorrow, the squad is in a much better place then when Jose left.

Whether or not Ole has the ability to win us big trophies remains to be seen. But having built a squad that is pretty close to being complete, I think that he deserves the chance to show whether he is capable of making that step up. If he isn't then by all means he should get the bullet, but so far I have been happy with the job that he has done. Albeit I would like to see some more expansive football from us.

posted on 28/7/21

comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 15 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 3 minutes ago
oh not the manager thing again.

Ole is learning his trade, and is improving, the decision to hire a set piece specialist coach shows he has the ability to recognize weaknesses and address them.

why as a club are we so keen to see our youth and patient to develop it but we dont extend that same courtesy to one of our own in management?

winning the PL in this era of state run clubs and oil barons is not what it was in the 90's and early 00's. even the great SAF would struggle to dominate like he did in this era.
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Bang on. I do get tired of fans of Man Utd criticising our manager, OUR manager when he's had a third and second. Even à blind man can see he is improving every aspect of the football side.
Youth, first team, coaches. Whether it will be enough, I don't know. City, Chelsea, Pool at à minimum are aiming for the same.
But I so much more prefer shouting for Ole, our manager, United my team.
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Ole isn't responsible for hiring coaches or the youth development.
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isnt responsible for developing the youth?

so he doesn't invite them to first team training? promote those good enough to the first team? manage their growth in their first team?

geez he really does nothing
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That's pretty much Fletchers role.

posted on 28/7/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 15 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 3 minutes ago
oh not the manager thing again.

Ole is learning his trade, and is improving, the decision to hire a set piece specialist coach shows he has the ability to recognize weaknesses and address them.

why as a club are we so keen to see our youth and patient to develop it but we dont extend that same courtesy to one of our own in management?

winning the PL in this era of state run clubs and oil barons is not what it was in the 90's and early 00's. even the great SAF would struggle to dominate like he did in this era.
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Bang on. I do get tired of fans of Man Utd criticising our manager, OUR manager when he's had a third and second. Even à blind man can see he is improving every aspect of the football side.
Youth, first team, coaches. Whether it will be enough, I don't know. City, Chelsea, Pool at à minimum are aiming for the same.
But I so much more prefer shouting for Ole, our manager, United my team.
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Ole isn't responsible for hiring coaches or the youth development.
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isnt responsible for developing the youth?

so he doesn't invite them to first team training? promote those good enough to the first team? manage their growth in their first team?

geez he really does nothing
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That's pretty much Fletchers role.
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To decide who trains and plays with the first team? I don't think it is.

posted on 28/7/21

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 15 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 3 minutes ago
oh not the manager thing again.

Ole is learning his trade, and is improving, the decision to hire a set piece specialist coach shows he has the ability to recognize weaknesses and address them.

why as a club are we so keen to see our youth and patient to develop it but we dont extend that same courtesy to one of our own in management?

winning the PL in this era of state run clubs and oil barons is not what it was in the 90's and early 00's. even the great SAF would struggle to dominate like he did in this era.
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Bang on. I do get tired of fans of Man Utd criticising our manager, OUR manager when he's had a third and second. Even à blind man can see he is improving every aspect of the football side.
Youth, first team, coaches. Whether it will be enough, I don't know. City, Chelsea, Pool at à minimum are aiming for the same.
But I so much more prefer shouting for Ole, our manager, United my team.
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Ole isn't responsible for hiring coaches or the youth development.
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isnt responsible for developing the youth?

so he doesn't invite them to first team training? promote those good enough to the first team? manage their growth in their first team?

geez he really does nothing
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That's pretty much Fletchers role.
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To decide who trains and plays with the first team? I don't think it is.
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Darren will work closely with John to add technical input and direction into all football and performance areas. He will focus on a co-ordinated and long-term approach to player and squad development, helping maintain the integral link between the Academy and the first team, aligned with Manchester United’s values and culture.

Darren Fletcher said: “It is great to be back with the club and I am delighted to be taking on this new role. We are moving in the right direction and I am looking forward to continuing to work with Ole and his coaching team, and now with John as the Football Director, to help bring young players through and further develop the football side of the club. It’s fantastic to see that all the staff here are driving Manchester United forward towards a new era of success.”



posted on 28/7/21

Darren will work closely with John to add technical input and direction into all football and performance areas. He will focus on a co-ordinated and long-term approach to player and squad development, helping maintain the integral link between the Academy and the first team, aligned with Manchester United’s values and culture.

posted on 28/7/21

Fletcher said: "We are moving in the right direction and I am looking forward to continuing to work with Ole and his coaching team, and now with John as the football director, to help bring young players through and further develop the football side of the club."

posted on 28/7/21

Where does it say that he decides which of the youngsters train and play with the first team?

posted on 28/7/21

That's pretty much Fletchers role.
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posted on 28/7/21

Focus on long term player and squad development.

Maintaining the link between academy and first team.

Helping bring young players through (to the first team)

I don’t have time to have a day long back and forth over this. My suggestion, go and read up on Fletchers role, discuss it with some other fans, and if you still disagree that Fletchers role is to develop kids and help bring them through to the first team then say why.

Cheers.



posted on 28/7/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 1 minute ago
Focus on long term player and squad development.

Maintaining the link between academy and first team.

Helping bring young players through (to the first team)

I don’t have time to have a day long back and forth over this. My suggestion, go and read up on Fletchers role, discuss it with some other fans, and if you still disagree that Fletchers role is to develop kids and help bring them through to the first team then say why.

Cheers.
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Yeh, you said that it is pretty much Fletcher's role to invite the youngsters to train with the first team, to promote those good enough and to then manage their growth in the first team. Everyone laughed at you because you're stupid. Then you posted some irrelevant details on Fletcher's role at the club.

posted on 28/7/21

I'm sure Fletcher wouldn't be in the position if Ole didn't want him so he is pretty much responsible for the hiring of his staff

posted on 28/7/21

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 1 minute ago
Focus on long term player and squad development.

Maintaining the link between academy and first team.

Helping bring young players through (to the first team)

I don’t have time to have a day long back and forth over this. My suggestion, go and read up on Fletchers role, discuss it with some other fans, and if you still disagree that Fletchers role is to develop kids and help bring them through to the first team then say why.

Cheers.
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Yeh, you said that it is pretty much Fletcher's role to invite the youngsters to train with the first team, to promote those good enough and to then manage their growth in the first team. Everyone laughed at you because you're stupid. Then you posted some irrelevant details on Fletcher's role at the club.
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No. I said the role of

"developing the youth, inviting them to first team training, promoting those good enough to the first team squad and managing their growth in the first team"

Was Fletchers.

Obviously any promotion to the first team squad would be done with Oles consent, but this is Fletcher role.

Go and read up on Flwtchers role, speak to some other fans and if you still disagree, come back with specifically what you disagree would fall within Fletchers role.

posted on 28/7/21

comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 45 minutes ago
I'm sure Fletcher wouldn't be in the position if Ole didn't want him so he is pretty much responsible for the hiring of his staff
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No. Murtough would be responsible for the hiring of staff / allocation of roles.

Go look up their specific roles

posted on 28/7/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 1 minute ago
Focus on long term player and squad development.

Maintaining the link between academy and first team.

Helping bring young players through (to the first team)

I don’t have time to have a day long back and forth over this. My suggestion, go and read up on Fletchers role, discuss it with some other fans, and if you still disagree that Fletchers role is to develop kids and help bring them through to the first team then say why.

Cheers.
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Yeh, you said that it is pretty much Fletcher's role to invite the youngsters to train with the first team, to promote those good enough and to then manage their growth in the first team. Everyone laughed at you because you're stupid. Then you posted some irrelevant details on Fletcher's role at the club.
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No. I said the role of

"developing the youth, inviting them to first team training, promoting those good enough to the first team squad and managing their growth in the first team"

Was Fletchers.

Obviously any promotion to the first team squad would be done with Oles consent, but this is Fletcher role.

Go and read up on Flwtchers role, speak to some other fans and if you still disagree, come back with specifically what you disagree would fall within Fletchers role.
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I don't need to look anything up. Ole will be the one that invites youth players to train with the first team. Or do you think that Fletcher has carte blanche to send whoever he wants? Ole will have a keen eye on the youngsters and will have an idea of who is ready and when. He will also have a better idea of when a youngster might be needed/get a chance and bring the into first team training at an appropriate time. Of course, he will discuss that with Fletcher.

If they are good enough in training then Ole promotes them to the first team squad. Again, that isn't Fletcher's decision to make.

Once they are in the first team Ole (and the other first team coaches) then manage their progress in the first team.

posted on 28/7/21

I'd be amazed if it was Fletcher's decision and also amused because that's a terrible idea.

posted on 28/7/21

Elvis I think you do need to look it up.

I said Ole would give his consent to players joining his squad for training, but in terms of monitoring the youngsters, identifying who might be ready for promotion and supporting the transition to the senior squad, that would be the role of Fletcher.

posted on 28/7/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
Elvis I think you do need to look it up.

I said Ole would give his consent to players joining his squad for training, but in terms of monitoring the youngsters, identifying who might be ready for promotion and supporting the transition to the senior squad, that would be the role of Fletcher.
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I don't need to look anything up. I read it when he joined. I've read it again now. I've heard Rio talk about his role. At no point as anyone said that Fletcher decides when a player trains with the first team. When he is promoted to the first team squad. Or that it is his responsibility to develop young players once they have been promoted to the first team squad. It is just something you've made up because you can't let Ole have any credit.

posted on 28/7/21

Id read it again then, or ask a grown up.

posted on 28/7/21

For a laugh, why don't you tell us what you understand Fletchers role to be, and specific tasks this involves.

posted on 28/7/21

Today's Ole out article

posted on 28/7/21

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
Today's Ole out article
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Nope

posted on 28/7/21

Fletcher will also take a longer term view of recruitment and squad development- for example, determining the pathway of a promising academy player, and whether they will go out on loan one year, or be integrated into the first team squad.

Taken from the Independent Weds 10 March.

Maybe next time you will listen to others instead of making yourself look silly trying to be clever.

posted on 28/7/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 29 minutes ago
Fletcher will also take a longer term view of recruitment and squad development- for example, determining the pathway of a promising academy player, and whether they will go out on loan one year, or be integrated into the first team squad.

Taken from the Independent Weds 10 March.

Maybe next time you will listen to others instead of making yourself look silly trying to be clever.
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And yet Ole said himself that Fletcher would do less coaching then he'd previously done and be more involved in recruitment, selling the club to potential players etc.

Whilst Woodward said:

‘In this new role, the first in our history, he will deliver technical advice across all aspects of the football department as well as contributing to the communication and delivery of our football philosophy across all areas of the club.’

Nothing about deciding who gets promoted to the first team?

Are there any direct quotes from anyone at the club in the piece you've quoted from the independent?

posted on 28/7/21

Its a wide ranging role, but part of it is as i have said.

Iv provided you with the club press release re his role and the independents understanding of it.

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