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posted on 28/7/21

You said it isn't Fletchers role to decide which youth products train and play with the first team.

Yet the club have said part of his role is to -

Focus on long term player and squad development.

Maintaining the link between academy and first team

Helping bring young players through (to the first team)

In addition the Independent have reported how Fletcher will be responsible for deciding which youth products get a loan or move upto the first team squad.

Come on man. Admit it. I haven't made this up as you said.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 28/7/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 5 minutes ago
Its a wide ranging role, but part of it is as i have said.

Iv provided you with the club press release re his role and the independents understanding of it.


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Nothing direct there from the club saying he gets the say on who is integrated into the first team. I'd be amazed if anyone but Ole makes that decision. He will of course get some guidance from Fletcher and the youth coaches, but he's not going to have youngsters training with the first team squad if he doesn't believe they are ready. Nor do I believe that Fletcher would try to force players on Ole that he didn't think were ready. The whole idea is laughable. As is your opiinion that Ole doesn't do anything to develop youth.

posted on 28/7/21

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 5 minutes ago
Its a wide ranging role, but part of it is as i have said.

Iv provided you with the club press release re his role and the independents understanding of it.


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Nothing direct there from the club saying he gets the say on who is integrated into the first team. I'd be amazed if anyone but Ole makes that decision. He will of course get some guidance from Fletcher and the youth coaches, but he's not going to have youngsters training with the first team squad if he doesn't believe they are ready. Nor do I believe that Fletcher would try to force players on Ole that he didn't think were ready. The whole idea is laughable. As is your opiinion that Ole doesn't do anything to develop youth.
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The club specifically say one of his responsibilities is to help bring young players through (to the first team)

Another is to focus on long term player and squad development (obviously involving promotion of youth products)

Never have I said Fletcher would force players on Ole. In fact i said the exact opposite.

I also haven't said Ole does nothing to develop youth.

It's clear you are begrudgingly accepting what iv said but don't want to admit it and instead have chosen to make things up.

Poor

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 28/7/21

Youre all over the place lad. You specifically said that Ole isn't responsible for youth development. Of course he is. He decides when they get a chance with the first team and develops them from there. He is just as responsible as the youth coaches that get them ready.

You also said that Fletcher invites them to first team training, promotes them to the first team squad and manages their development in the first team.

Nowhere is there any suggestion from the club that this is the case.

And I know you didn't say that Fletcher would force players on Ole. But that would be the reality if you/the independent are correct in that he decides who goes on loan/is integrated into the first team. Fletcher will have input, but Ole will make the decision.

So no, I'm not making anything up or begrudgingly accepting what you've said, as it's there in black and white what you've posted and it's all horsesh!t.

posted on 28/7/21

Il correct you in the morning you moron.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 28/7/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 9 minutes ago
Il correct you in the morning you moron.
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* I'll

posted on 29/7/21

The youth coaches develop the youth products.

Part of Fletchers role is to liaise with these coaches and determine the future of these players (loan or promotion to senior squad).

That’s not to say Ole will turn up with a load of kids present and no idea why, or refuse to coach them once with the senior squad. Obviously there will be communication between Ole and Fletcher.

This is clearly covered in the clubs press release and reports from credible sports journalists at the independent and such.

As I have said, go and look at Fletchers role, objectives and discuss with others United fans.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 29/7/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 9 minutes ago
The youth coaches develop the youth products.

Part of Fletchers role is to liaise with these coaches and determine the future of these players (loan or promotion to senior squad).

That’s not to say Ole will turn up with a load of kids present and no idea why, or refuse to coach them once with the senior squad. Obviously there will be communication between Ole and Fletcher.

This is clearly covered in the clubs press release and reports from credible sports journalists at the independent and such.

As I have said, go and look at Fletchers role, objectives and discuss with others United fans.
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Answer these simple questions:

1. Does Fletcher choose who is sent to train with the firs team?

2. Does Fletcher decide who is promoted to the first team squad?

3. Does Fletcher have sole responsibility for developing youth players once they have been promoted to the first tea squad?

posted on 29/7/21

1& 2
1 & 2 Yes. Fletcher will also take a longer term view of recruitment and squad development- for example, determining the pathway of a promising academy player, and whether they will go out on loan one year, or be integrated into the first team squad.

3 - No. Ole and his coaches would be rwsponsi le for training the first team squad, however Fletcher would monitor all training and development as part of his role.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 29/7/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 40 minutes ago
1& 2
1 & 2 Yes. Fletcher will also take a longer term view of recruitment and squad development- for example, determining the pathway of a promising academy player, and whether they will go out on loan one year, or be integrated into the first team squad.

3 - No. Ole and his coaches would be rwsponsi le for training the first team squad, however Fletcher would monitor all training and development as part of his role.
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You keep spewing out this para from the independent as fact. Has the club given any indication that this is the case? Has this been reported anywhere else? To me it reads like a speculative line to fatten out the article. And we both know how much you hate it when papers do that and that you only trust what the club days. I suspect that he will have some input to Ole as to where he thinks the player is at, but only Ole knows what/who he wants in and around the first team and when.

And you've admitted that Ole has input in developing the youth that makes it into the first team. So your attempt at detracting from Ole's influence on developing youth is based on nothing but an unsubstantiated line in a newspaper. Despite the fact you never believe such sources.

I think we are done here.

posted on 29/7/21

This started off with you questioning if it was Fletchers role to decide which youth products join the first team squad.

I have shown the clubs press release re Fletchers role and how it covers this, and supporting info from a reliable source.

Fletcher is in effect, our director of football, responsible for ensuring our football continues to reflect the clubs beliefs, now and after ole has gone. Part of this is to ensure promising prospects continue to make the first team squad.

Like iv said repeatedly, go and have another look at Fletchers role, what it entails, think about how he would achieve his objectives, maybe speak to friends or others on here, and if you are still struggling, give up.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 29/7/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 25 minutes ago
This started off with you questioning if it was Fletchers role to decide which youth products join the first team squad.
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No it didn't. It started out by someone saying that Ole had improved every area of the club, including youth. Nothing about development. Nothing about bringing through players or who does it. You then said that Ole has nothing to do with youth development. When someone questioned whether Ole had anything to do with inviting the youngsters to train with the first team, promoting them to the first team and developing them on from there, you doubled down on your stupidity by claiming that was Fletcher's role. Now you are clinging to your argument based on one speculative line in a media outlet with not direct quotes from the club.

Please stop lying. Its all there in black and white.

posted on 29/7/21

Elvis, quit making stuff up.

I never once said Ole has nothing to do with youth development. I said it (the academy) was not his responsibility. It isn't. It's the responsibility of the youth coaches, with Flether monitoring their development.

I also didn't say he had nothing to do with the youngsters training with the first team squad.

What I said was that Fletcher would decide who was ready for promotion and arrange this. Fletcher himself said "I am looking forward to working with Ole and his coaching team to help bring young players through" (to the senior squad)

I have been asking you since yesterday to clarify what specifically you believe to be Fletchers role and specifically what this entails but you have failed to do so, I expect because you either don't know OR realise I'm correct.

Now, please stop making stuff up. It's all there in black and white

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 29/7/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 12 minutes ago
Elvis, quit making stuff up.

I never once said Ole has nothing to do with youth development. I said it (the academy) was not his responsibility. It isn't. It's the responsibility of the youth coaches, with Flether monitoring their development.

I also didn't say he had nothing to do with the youngsters training with the first team squad.

What I said was that Fletcher would decide who was ready for promotion and arrange this. Fletcher himself said "I am looking forward to working with Ole and his coaching team to help bring young players through" (to the senior squad)

I have been asking you since yesterday to clarify what specifically you believe to be Fletchers role and specifically what this entails but you have failed to do so, I expect because you either don't know OR realise I'm correct.

Now, please stop making stuff up. It's all there in black and white
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You replied to a question about all of those elements of developing youth and said that it was Fletcher's role. Its there in black and white. I haven't made anything up. You are that mental that you can't even keep a track of what you have posted.

And yes, you did say that Ole wasn't responsible for youth development. Again, it is there in black and white. Fletcher has a role to play in youth development at the club - no-one has said anything different. But Ole also has a role to play in youth development. They are both responsible for it, as will be many other staff members at the club. But because you are so hellbent on not giving Ole any credit, you said something stupid and now can't admit it.

Its all there on page 3. Go and refresh your memory.

I'll leave you to your own stupidity now.

posted on 29/7/21

This is nothing to do with discrediting Ole you paranoid moron. This is simply me explaining to you the roles of Fletcher and Ole re youth prospects

I said Ole wasn't responsible for youth development (the academy) He isn't. The youth coaches are, with Fletcher monitoring the development and deciding their next step (loan or first team squad)

I have also said that Fletcher would speak with Ole if he wanted a youth product promoted to train with the first team squad.

I have also said Ole and his coaches would then be responsible for coaching that youth product along with the senior squad.

Again, go read up on Fletchers role and responsibilities, maybe discuss it with friends or others on here, and if you remain convinced I'm wrong,.say specifically what about and so tell us what you believe Fletchers role is.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 29/7/21

Nobody needed Fletcher's role explaining. And it's irrelevant. You said that Ole isn't responsible for youth. He is and he has done a good job of developing it. The fact that Fletcher also has a responsibility to develop youth is irrelevant as we were discussing Ole and his impact.

posted on 29/7/21

He isn't unless they join the senior squad, and even then, Fletcher is involved in monitoring their progress.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 29/7/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 54 minutes ago
He isn't unless they join the senior squad, and even then, Fletcher is involved in monitoring their progress.
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How does youth get a chance at United? By getting picked by the first team manager. Do young players develop once they train with and join the first team? Of course they do. Ergo, Ole is responsible for developing youth. Hell, its one of the reasons we got rid of Jose; because he didn't develop the youngsters enough.

posted on 29/7/21

Fletcher will talk to the senior manager (currently Ole) and say I want him to train with the seniors.

The post I originally replied to, which triggered you, clearly differentiated between the first team and youth (academy) and was not referring to.younhsters In the first team squad.

posted on 29/7/21

Elvis is so right on this it's actually painful. Nearly as painful as this keep popping up on my feed.

posted on 29/7/21

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Elvis is so right on this it's actually painful. Nearly as painful as this keep popping up on my feed.
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Let's see if you can tell us specifically what Fletchers role is and entails, and how I'm wrong.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 29/7/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Elvis is so right on this it's actually painful. Nearly as painful as this keep popping up on my feed.
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Let's see if you can tell us specifically what Fletchers role is and entails, and how I'm wrong.
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Why are you so obsessed with Fletcher? We were talking about what Ole has acheived during his time at United and a poster said that he has improved the youth. Which he has by bringing through the kids and developing them. That's not to say that Fletcher hasn't also had an impact on youth. But you made out like only Flatcher is responsible because of the role he has. Even though his role at the club is hugely wide ranging. To suggest that only Fletcher is responsible for developing the youngsters at a club the size of United is absolutely mental. But that's what you are.

posted on 29/7/21

Fletchers job is to coach youth and that's it. So he sets up passing drills and so on. He will have absolutely no decisions to make on who trains with the first team and saying otherwise is absolute bollox.

He may give some advice and opinion but that's it.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 29/7/21

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
Fletchers job is to coach youth and that's it. So he sets up passing drills and so on. He will have absolutely no decisions to make on who trains with the first team and saying otherwise is absolute bollox.

He may give some advice and opinion but that's it.
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But the independent said different!

posted on 29/7/21

Our exchange started after I said that managing progression of academy kids to the senior squad was Fletchers role.

For what must be the 4th time now, Iv.not said Fletcher and only Fletcher is responsible for the development of the youth prospects.

The youth coaches coach the youth prospects.

Fletcher monitors their development and will decide their next move (loan or move to the senior squad)

Once Fletcher has agreed with Ole tfpr the prospect to join the seniorn squad, Ole and his coaches will be responsible for their coaching.

Iv examined this about 4 times now. Please,.please talk to another United fan or 2, or someone on here and I'm confident they will set you right.

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