Not down with this idea.
If the player isnt happy then do not sign a deal that ties you to a club long term
Don't take the £10m a year in wages offered.
How would he like it if we suddenly decided to pay him less?
Football is a team game. As good as Kane is he hasnt won anything for us even when we were much stronger than we are now. He has been excellent but he has also been culpable in our failure to win trophies and reach the top 4.
If he wants to go he is not entirely blameless for the reasons for him wanting to go (no trophies). SO may be he should just suck it up and wait until he has more power to demand a move, when his contract is 1 or 2 years unexpired.
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Time for the premier league to set some sort of salary cap, expenditure limitations that is the same for all clubs even up the competition some
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Sounds like you want to support an NFL or NBA franchise team. Stick around because Levy just might grant you your wish when we have a team from the NFL using our stadium. We don't want that American football pitch going to waste now do we?
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Gone off subject there, salary caps work successfully in lots of sports around the world, surely your not happy with the "rich getting richer " system that operates in the premier league, you can name the top 6 before the season has even started
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Wages don't win leagues. Arsenal used to pay Ozil £350k a week. Utd used to pay Sanchez £500k a week.
This salary cap business is hocus pocus. We are at a point where it is too late to change. I am happy with FFP as long as it is adhered to properly.
Obviously City have gotten away with murder but at least there are some people out there who are still hunting them down with evidence. We live in hope justice is served.
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You obviously don't know how it works, those players wouldn't be on those wages and probably not at those clubs
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Ozil was defo on £350k a week at Arsenal. Sanchez was probably on less than £500k a week at Utd but he was on alot.
Google Ozil wages at Arsenal and get back to me. Apology accepted.
Wages don't win leagues Dave
Salary caps won't work unless the rest of the world follow suit and with varying bodies controlling these rules and tax variables it'll do nothing but devalue the Premier League. The best players will leave, the best English players will play abroad and we'll be left with the scraps.
It's the Jeremy Corbyn of football policies. In theory it's nice to balance out wealth but in practice its basically communism, a denial of enterprise and hope and a slow financial death. Can you tell I'm not his biggest fan?
Wages do tend win leagues.
Wage cap won’t happen, nor should it. Rather the players get big wages than greedy owners get all the profits.
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Time for the premier league to set some sort of salary cap, expenditure limitations that is the same for all clubs even up the competition some
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Sounds like you want to support an NFL or NBA franchise team. Stick around because Levy just might grant you your wish when we have a team from the NFL using our stadium. We don't want that American football pitch going to waste now do we?
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Gone off subject there, salary caps work successfully in lots of sports around the world, surely your not happy with the "rich getting richer " system that operates in the premier league, you can name the top 6 before the season has even started
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Wages don't win leagues. Arsenal used to pay Ozil £350k a week. Utd used to pay Sanchez £500k a week.
This salary cap business is hocus pocus. We are at a point where it is too late to change. I am happy with FFP as long as it is adhered to properly.
Obviously City have gotten away with murder but at least there are some people out there who are still hunting them down with evidence. We live in hope justice is served.
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You obviously don't know how it works, those players wouldn't be on those wages and probably not at those clubs
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Ozil was defo on £350k a week at Arsenal. Sanchez was probably on less than £500k a week at Utd but he was on alot.
Google Ozil wages at Arsenal and get back to me. Apology accepted.
Wages don't win leagues Dave
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Listen what I'm saying is that under a salary cap system then would not be on those wages, comprende, Google that
Imagine you didn't have TV money distorting your wage discussions, Harry Kane would be on £1500 a week.
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Time for the premier league to set some sort of salary cap, expenditure limitations that is the same for all clubs even up the competition some
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Sounds like you want to support an NFL or NBA franchise team. Stick around because Levy just might grant you your wish when we have a team from the NFL using our stadium. We don't want that American football pitch going to waste now do we?
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Gone off subject there, salary caps work successfully in lots of sports around the world, surely your not happy with the "rich getting richer " system that operates in the premier league, you can name the top 6 before the season has even started
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Wages don't win leagues. Arsenal used to pay Ozil £350k a week. Utd used to pay Sanchez £500k a week.
This salary cap business is hocus pocus. We are at a point where it is too late to change. I am happy with FFP as long as it is adhered to properly.
Obviously City have gotten away with murder but at least there are some people out there who are still hunting them down with evidence. We live in hope justice is served.
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You obviously don't know how it works, those players wouldn't be on those wages and probably not at those clubs
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Ozil was defo on £350k a week at Arsenal. Sanchez was probably on less than £500k a week at Utd but he was on alot.
Google Ozil wages at Arsenal and get back to me. Apology accepted.
Wages don't win leagues Dave
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Listen what I'm saying is that under a salary cap system then would not be on those wages, comprende, Google that
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Under a salary cap system you would be allowed one or two players who are above the cap. That's how it works in America.
Salary caps only really work in closed structures. Football doesn’t have that.
A salary cap would work best if is was an overall club cap, not an individual cap. Probably related to the clubs turn over.
So you could pay Messi £100m a year but if it was 2 thirds of your allowed salary budget then you have to cut your cloth accordingly.
Not sure how that helps the league become more competitive. Most of the clubs with the highest wage to revenue ratio are the clubs with the least revenue. All the salary cap does is remove the ability of the smaller clubs to take risks on their wage bill to improve the team.
Everyone talks about how well Leicester are run but they wouldn’t be if their salaries were capped. They spend something like 75% of their revenue on the wage bill.
Salary caps work in America (only in certain sports) because it’s a closed shop, without transfer fees and similar corporate structures across the leagues.
It’s just not comparable to football.
And what happens when the Harry Kane who couldn’t hit a barn door at Norwich has a release clause of £20m after his first couple of good seasons for Spurs?
https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1422463473045417995?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1422463473045417995%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html1422463473045417995
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posted 38 minutes ago
I am also in favour of the salary cap system really, I think it would make for a more competitive league and it doesn't just cap wages, it would cap clubs spending as well in general. Less cost on wages, more that can be pumped into improved infrastructures, youth development etc.
The longer we go without one, the harder is it, practically, to implement successfully.
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100 per cent needed. The sooner the financially doped clubs are brought back to the rest of the field the better. Astonishing the way the authorities have just sat back, and let the money men take over the game.
Ridiculous that City can just outspend every other team because of their oil money, same with Chelsea.
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What's to prevent clubs from finding 'creative' ways of paying their players more than anyone else, just like they've found ludicrous sponsorship deals beyond their competitors' reach to flout FFP rules?
I remember at one point that PSG's deal with Neymar was said to include a large stake in a Neymar-branded hotel chain or some other ridiculous scheme.
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Nothing to stop them trying, Saracens were giving players property as part of deal, they were found out and deducted points which lead to relegation, always going to be clubs that stretch the rules, even as it is now
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Yeah, Rangers died doing that.
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Not sure how that helps the league become more competitive. Most of the clubs with the highest wage to revenue ratio are the clubs with the least revenue. All the salary cap does is remove the ability of the smaller clubs to take risks on their wage bill to improve the team.
Everyone talks about how well Leicester are run but they wouldn’t be if their salaries were capped. They spend something like 75% of their revenue on the wage bill.
Salary caps work in America (only in certain sports) because it’s a closed shop, without transfer fees and similar corporate structures across the leagues.
It’s just not comparable to football.
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Agreed. May be a max % of turner over and an high level cap. So say 60% of turn over but no greater than 250m.
The impact it.would.have would be to prevent the bigger clubs accumulating so much of the top talent which means lesser clubs may be able to hold on to their best players or players may have to chose between winning stuff and wages.
The reality would be that they’d just go abroad, because none of those leagues would be stupid enough to follow suit when they know the financial advantage they’d have. It’ll never happen here for this reason.
If they don't bring in some kind of financial equality, then by the next decade football will be finished as a competitive sport. The authorities have a choice.
The thing about salary caps etc is that they essentially just assure the status quo.
@Sandy, people have been saying that for decades and the game is still going, stronger than ever.
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posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
If they don't bring in some kind of financial equality, then by the next decade football will be finished as a competitive sport. The authorities have a choice.
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In fairness, I think this was the argument when the Premier League was formed, yet it's still competitive these days.
Ultimately, you will always have a richer club than another, who are likely to be doing better than the clubs who do not have that wealth.
Would this financial equity argument stretch to CL places?
Wages don't win leagues. Arsenal used to pay Ozil £350k a week. Utd used to pay Sanchez £500k a week.
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Flawed argument. Those are just poor and individual examples.
If you categorically pay higher wages across the squad then you can and will attract better players, or players will be incentivised to choose for you. It works like that in any business.
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Would this financial equity argument stretch to CL places?
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I'd argue that it should do really, it should be European-wide, rather than just strictly England. The wage bills at both Real and Barca and their off the field issues should highlight why this would be important.
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posted on 3/8/21
Not down with this idea.
If the player isnt happy then do not sign a deal that ties you to a club long term
Don't take the £10m a year in wages offered.
How would he like it if we suddenly decided to pay him less?
Football is a team game. As good as Kane is he hasnt won anything for us even when we were much stronger than we are now. He has been excellent but he has also been culpable in our failure to win trophies and reach the top 4.
If he wants to go he is not entirely blameless for the reasons for him wanting to go (no trophies). SO may be he should just suck it up and wait until he has more power to demand a move, when his contract is 1 or 2 years unexpired.
posted on 3/8/21
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
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comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 25 minutes ago
Time for the premier league to set some sort of salary cap, expenditure limitations that is the same for all clubs even up the competition some
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Sounds like you want to support an NFL or NBA franchise team. Stick around because Levy just might grant you your wish when we have a team from the NFL using our stadium. We don't want that American football pitch going to waste now do we?
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Gone off subject there, salary caps work successfully in lots of sports around the world, surely your not happy with the "rich getting richer " system that operates in the premier league, you can name the top 6 before the season has even started
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Wages don't win leagues. Arsenal used to pay Ozil £350k a week. Utd used to pay Sanchez £500k a week.
This salary cap business is hocus pocus. We are at a point where it is too late to change. I am happy with FFP as long as it is adhered to properly.
Obviously City have gotten away with murder but at least there are some people out there who are still hunting them down with evidence. We live in hope justice is served.
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You obviously don't know how it works, those players wouldn't be on those wages and probably not at those clubs
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Ozil was defo on £350k a week at Arsenal. Sanchez was probably on less than £500k a week at Utd but he was on alot.
Google Ozil wages at Arsenal and get back to me. Apology accepted.
Wages don't win leagues Dave
posted on 3/8/21
Salary caps won't work unless the rest of the world follow suit and with varying bodies controlling these rules and tax variables it'll do nothing but devalue the Premier League. The best players will leave, the best English players will play abroad and we'll be left with the scraps.
It's the Jeremy Corbyn of football policies. In theory it's nice to balance out wealth but in practice its basically communism, a denial of enterprise and hope and a slow financial death. Can you tell I'm not his biggest fan?
posted on 3/8/21
Wages do tend win leagues.
Wage cap won’t happen, nor should it. Rather the players get big wages than greedy owners get all the profits.
posted on 3/8/21
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comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 25 minutes ago
Time for the premier league to set some sort of salary cap, expenditure limitations that is the same for all clubs even up the competition some
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Sounds like you want to support an NFL or NBA franchise team. Stick around because Levy just might grant you your wish when we have a team from the NFL using our stadium. We don't want that American football pitch going to waste now do we?
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Gone off subject there, salary caps work successfully in lots of sports around the world, surely your not happy with the "rich getting richer " system that operates in the premier league, you can name the top 6 before the season has even started
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Wages don't win leagues. Arsenal used to pay Ozil £350k a week. Utd used to pay Sanchez £500k a week.
This salary cap business is hocus pocus. We are at a point where it is too late to change. I am happy with FFP as long as it is adhered to properly.
Obviously City have gotten away with murder but at least there are some people out there who are still hunting them down with evidence. We live in hope justice is served.
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You obviously don't know how it works, those players wouldn't be on those wages and probably not at those clubs
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Ozil was defo on £350k a week at Arsenal. Sanchez was probably on less than £500k a week at Utd but he was on alot.
Google Ozil wages at Arsenal and get back to me. Apology accepted.
Wages don't win leagues Dave
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Listen what I'm saying is that under a salary cap system then would not be on those wages, comprende, Google that
posted on 3/8/21
Imagine you didn't have TV money distorting your wage discussions, Harry Kane would be on £1500 a week.
posted on 3/8/21
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posted 4 minutes ago
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comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 25 minutes ago
Time for the premier league to set some sort of salary cap, expenditure limitations that is the same for all clubs even up the competition some
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Sounds like you want to support an NFL or NBA franchise team. Stick around because Levy just might grant you your wish when we have a team from the NFL using our stadium. We don't want that American football pitch going to waste now do we?
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Gone off subject there, salary caps work successfully in lots of sports around the world, surely your not happy with the "rich getting richer " system that operates in the premier league, you can name the top 6 before the season has even started
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Wages don't win leagues. Arsenal used to pay Ozil £350k a week. Utd used to pay Sanchez £500k a week.
This salary cap business is hocus pocus. We are at a point where it is too late to change. I am happy with FFP as long as it is adhered to properly.
Obviously City have gotten away with murder but at least there are some people out there who are still hunting them down with evidence. We live in hope justice is served.
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You obviously don't know how it works, those players wouldn't be on those wages and probably not at those clubs
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Ozil was defo on £350k a week at Arsenal. Sanchez was probably on less than £500k a week at Utd but he was on alot.
Google Ozil wages at Arsenal and get back to me. Apology accepted.
Wages don't win leagues Dave
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Listen what I'm saying is that under a salary cap system then would not be on those wages, comprende, Google that
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Under a salary cap system you would be allowed one or two players who are above the cap. That's how it works in America.
posted on 3/8/21
Salary caps only really work in closed structures. Football doesn’t have that.
posted on 3/8/21
A salary cap would work best if is was an overall club cap, not an individual cap. Probably related to the clubs turn over.
So you could pay Messi £100m a year but if it was 2 thirds of your allowed salary budget then you have to cut your cloth accordingly.
posted on 3/8/21
Not sure how that helps the league become more competitive. Most of the clubs with the highest wage to revenue ratio are the clubs with the least revenue. All the salary cap does is remove the ability of the smaller clubs to take risks on their wage bill to improve the team.
Everyone talks about how well Leicester are run but they wouldn’t be if their salaries were capped. They spend something like 75% of their revenue on the wage bill.
Salary caps work in America (only in certain sports) because it’s a closed shop, without transfer fees and similar corporate structures across the leagues.
It’s just not comparable to football.
posted on 3/8/21
And what happens when the Harry Kane who couldn’t hit a barn door at Norwich has a release clause of £20m after his first couple of good seasons for Spurs?
posted on 3/8/21
https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1422463473045417995?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1422463473045417995%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html1422463473045417995
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comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 5 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 38 minutes ago
I am also in favour of the salary cap system really, I think it would make for a more competitive league and it doesn't just cap wages, it would cap clubs spending as well in general. Less cost on wages, more that can be pumped into improved infrastructures, youth development etc.
The longer we go without one, the harder is it, practically, to implement successfully.
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100 per cent needed. The sooner the financially doped clubs are brought back to the rest of the field the better. Astonishing the way the authorities have just sat back, and let the money men take over the game.
Ridiculous that City can just outspend every other team because of their oil money, same with Chelsea.
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What's to prevent clubs from finding 'creative' ways of paying their players more than anyone else, just like they've found ludicrous sponsorship deals beyond their competitors' reach to flout FFP rules?
I remember at one point that PSG's deal with Neymar was said to include a large stake in a Neymar-branded hotel chain or some other ridiculous scheme.
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Nothing to stop them trying, Saracens were giving players property as part of deal, they were found out and deducted points which lead to relegation, always going to be clubs that stretch the rules, even as it is now
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Yeah, Rangers died doing that.
posted on 3/8/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
Not sure how that helps the league become more competitive. Most of the clubs with the highest wage to revenue ratio are the clubs with the least revenue. All the salary cap does is remove the ability of the smaller clubs to take risks on their wage bill to improve the team.
Everyone talks about how well Leicester are run but they wouldn’t be if their salaries were capped. They spend something like 75% of their revenue on the wage bill.
Salary caps work in America (only in certain sports) because it’s a closed shop, without transfer fees and similar corporate structures across the leagues.
It’s just not comparable to football.
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Agreed. May be a max % of turner over and an high level cap. So say 60% of turn over but no greater than 250m.
The impact it.would.have would be to prevent the bigger clubs accumulating so much of the top talent which means lesser clubs may be able to hold on to their best players or players may have to chose between winning stuff and wages.
posted on 3/8/21
The reality would be that they’d just go abroad, because none of those leagues would be stupid enough to follow suit when they know the financial advantage they’d have. It’ll never happen here for this reason.
posted on 4/8/21
If they don't bring in some kind of financial equality, then by the next decade football will be finished as a competitive sport. The authorities have a choice.
posted on 4/8/21
The thing about salary caps etc is that they essentially just assure the status quo.
@Sandy, people have been saying that for decades and the game is still going, stronger than ever.
posted on 4/8/21
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
If they don't bring in some kind of financial equality, then by the next decade football will be finished as a competitive sport. The authorities have a choice.
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In fairness, I think this was the argument when the Premier League was formed, yet it's still competitive these days.
Ultimately, you will always have a richer club than another, who are likely to be doing better than the clubs who do not have that wealth.
posted on 4/8/21
Would this financial equity argument stretch to CL places?
posted on 4/8/21
Wages don't win leagues. Arsenal used to pay Ozil £350k a week. Utd used to pay Sanchez £500k a week.
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Flawed argument. Those are just poor and individual examples.
If you categorically pay higher wages across the squad then you can and will attract better players, or players will be incentivised to choose for you. It works like that in any business.
posted on 4/8/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 16 minutes ago
Would this financial equity argument stretch to CL places?
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I'd argue that it should do really, it should be European-wide, rather than just strictly England. The wage bills at both Real and Barca and their off the field issues should highlight why this would be important.
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