There's glimpses of ability but his footballing brain seems non-existent at times. A bit like Barkley.
Needs to play regularly at a club and not as a RWB. Wasted talent.
We have had some bad luck with some of our younger players getting injured at the wrong times and never recovering. CHO was to set the world alight but he just lost that confidence since the injury. The best thing for him would be to go somewhere and play week in week out as an attacking player - he may regain it - but not as a bit part right back.
When you look at Van Ginkel and even Loftus Cheek, they have never fulfilled their potential after serious injury.
I think he can be, as even as of now he’s fine as a squad player, so even if he doesn’t improve he can be good for that.
Not fantastic at any one thing unfortunately although has the obvious talent. Not particularly quick, skillfull, technical or strong.
As you say time on his side but I thought he was very underwhelming yesterday…again
As a squad player yeah, I could imagine him becoming our Walcott/Arsenal (and I don't mind that in a bad way lol). Patches of good form, disappear for a while, nagging injuries, rinse & repeat.
I would push for a move personally, get away from the expectations & embrace a fresh challenge with ambitions to come back to us stronger (being a Chelsea fan & all). Now's the time for something like that, not when he's 17 y/o & getting p!ssy cos he's not immediately ahead of PL & CL winners in the team.
Boy did we miss a trick when the Germans offered silly money for him
A loan move to a PL club where he'll play every game like Gallagher and Gilmour are doing would be good for him.
He's not really been helped thus far by being in and out the team without being given an extended run since he came back from injury.
I don't think we can really evaluate his potential until that happens. I also think he's disadvantaged here, especially given the competition, that as a home grown player he's easy to drop in favour of big money signings.
Combine that to the fact he's being played in a position alien to him when he does get a chance, it feels to me like the cards are being stacked against him.
The formation doesn’t suit him that well. He’s best as a winger in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3
At wingback there’s too much defensive responsibility, and in our current front 3 the position is more like an inside forward, much narrower.
I think the best move for him would be a team like Dortmund, or a mid table PL side. Ideally a loan but he might want to push for a permanent move, depending on how it goes.
comment by CSTP (U1453)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
The formation doesn’t suit him that well. He’s best as a winger in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3
At wingback there’s too much defensive responsibility, and in our current front 3 the position is more like an inside forward, much narrower.
I think the best move for him would be a team like Dortmund, or a mid table PL side. Ideally a loan but he might want to push for a permanent move, depending on how it goes.
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I think you may have identified the issue for CHO under Tuchel. However, I think he could learn that inside forward role tbh.
From an outside view, I think he is a very underrated player. His end product might not be all there, but he is a threat when he carries the ball, statistically one of the best as well. A quick player as well, he will be difficult for a lot of defenders to defend against.
If he can become more consistent with his end product, he has the potential to become one of the best wide players in the world. Whether that happens at Chelsea or not is a different story entirely.
Looks like I'm a minority that likes him as a RWB? Stretches play well & for a winger defends surprisingly competently from the position.
Basically anywhere on the right I think he's decent. Don't like him from the left.
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 10 hours, 26 minutes ago
He's not really been helped thus far by being in and out the team without being given an extended run since he came back from injury.
I don't think we can really evaluate his potential until that happens. I also think he's disadvantaged here, especially given the competition, that as a home grown player he's easy to drop in favour of big money signings.
Combine that to the fact he's being played in a position alien to him when he does get a chance, it feels to me like the cards are being stacked against him.
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I could be wrong but didn’t he get some good game time last year when tuchel first come in?
I'm reading with interest. Undoubtedly, CHO has talent, ability and potential. But he's not a right wing back - Villa attacked our right side on Saturday and we could have lost - yes, Saúl has most of the blame, but CHO has to help out Chalobah more. Chalobah was being overrun because Saúl and CHO were not in position.
Also, there is absolutely no doubt that he is not as threatening, not as confident as he was before his injury a couple of years back when you terrorised defences. He seems hesitant to try and beat his man now.
Maybe he needs a season out on loan playing week in week out. I think he should have been allowed to go to Dortmund this year because he is not going to develop and regain his confidence as a bit part right back.
He has a lot of talent, but I don’t think he has a great footballing brain. He reminds me of Joe Cole - skillful and quick (faster than Cole), but inevitably chooses the wrong options. At least with Cole he put in the effort, whereas I don’t see that with CHO. He’s forced to track back as a wing back, but you can see he just wants to stay upfront. He may be better as a winger in a different formation, but it will likely have to be at another club. Our forwards are just better than CHO - I can’t see him getting a look in as a winger/forward at Chelsea.
He reminds me of Joe Cole - skillful and quick (faster than Cole), but inevitably chooses the wrong options?
I would never have thought or have never seen anyone critique joe Cole about this? I thought his decision making was pretty good.
Joe Cole was great
RWB is fine for CHO against bad or defensive teams. But Villa weren’t like that.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
From an outside view, I think he is a very underrated player. His end product might not be all there, but he is a threat when he carries the ball, statistically one of the best as well. A quick player as well, he will be difficult for a lot of defenders to defend against.
If he can become more consistent with his end product, he has the potential to become one of the best wide players in the world. Whether that happens at Chelsea or not is a different story entirely.
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Well, color me shocked...you as an outsider is close to the mark and more clued-up on Hudson-Odoi than the clueless sheep with useless viewpoints that have commented on the subject will ever be (not the first or the last time I'll see inane remarks from these posters, with regards to certain players).
Callum' obvious talent, variety, mental capacity and the concept of development is way beyond the comprehension of these numbskulls (with the exception of 1 or 2).
You hit the post on the end product perspective though.
Disingenious and a fallacy (which I'll never subscribe to) to claim that his end product is lacking...
How can one be a top chance creator, top for progressive dribling and ball carrying into the box, top for passing/crossing into the penalty area, top for switching play, top for key passes, top for shot and goal creating actions in the underlying (advanced) metrics for two seasons-in-a-row and not have end product, a pure contradiction.
The epitome of consistent end product, highlights his extraordinary uniqueness & footballing IQ in comparison to the rest.
Not even to mention in the 19/20 was our highest assist-maker, bear in mind had just comeback from horrific (potentially) career ending injury (the worst injury an explosive attacker can incur..lost alot of calf muscle mass), damining indicment on the rest of the forwards.
Stupendous output is a testament to his tremendous mental fortitude. (If there is one thing lacking it's the managers trust & gametime, talent is head and shoulders above the rest)
I notice your lot have been sniffing around, making tentative enquires for some months.
Lets face it, your going to need to replace Mane very soon he's at the end of his shelf-life and Hudson-Odoi would be a perfect replacement on the left.
Your efforts will ultimately be in vain and futile though, just like Bayern' tried with their utmost charm offensive, to the extent that they offered him the iconic number 10 shirt (previously worn by Robben).
The club catagorically said no, value him highly.
If it were down to the loons on here he'd be sold and that would be the modern day equivalent of losing De Bruyne.
The day he's actually on the market (club won't ever do that, don't get any ideas), he'll be highly coveted (if not the most sought-after player)
Disingenious and a fallacy (which I'll never subscribe to) to claim that his end product is lacking...
How can one be a top chance creator, top for progressive dribling and ball carrying into the box, top for passing/crossing into the penalty area, top for switching play, top for key passes, top for shot and goal creating actions in the underlying (advanced) metrics for two seasons-in-a-row and not have end product, a pure contradiction.
The epitome of consistent end product, highlights his extraordinary uniqueness & footballing IQ in comparison to the rest.
Because being top of the progressive dribbles metric isn't an example of an end product. Goals and assists are and I'd argue chance creation as well, but even that's subjective. Top for switching play and key passes also isn't an example of having a consistent end product, goals and assists are the top metric.
I rate him highly and, like I said, if he improves his end product and his numbers, he will be one of the world's best. But when you consider he got 5 goals and 5 assists in 37 appearances last season for Chelsea and Mane has 3 goals in 5 appearances this season as well as 16 goals and 9 assists in 48 appearances last season, somebody "coming to the end of his shelf life" isn't doing too badly considering he's averaging a goal involvement every 0.53 games whereas an ideal replacement is averaging a goal involvement every 0.27 games. That's what I mean by end product.
He's obviously not as good as Mane and his potential is there and probably does need more consistent starts as well, but his end product needs to improve. As I say, I think he is very underrated, but his numbers need to look better if he is to be one of the world's best in his position.
Hudson-odoi's end product is great.
Assists is not the greatest metric.
Hudson-odoi's level of ingenuity doesn't truly reflect in assists stat.
Doesn't do Cal' outrageous output & playmaking ability justice, a massive disserve in fact.
Should already have been on double assists figure past two season, if not for the fact that he had to rely on (bad) finishing.
Assist numbers will improve when players start putting his high quality clearcut chances he creates in the back of the net.
Big chances created & key passes is the best metric for creativity, not assists.
I do agree he has been let down by poor finishing and yes, big chances and key passes are good metrics to use, but they are still subjective because what is classed as a big chance for example.
Poor finishing does knock his assist figures down, but he still has more to prove for me and he needs to get those numbers up. He probably does need to move away from Chelsea to do it though.
Once Hudson-odoi starts playing as a forward consistently, will 100% start scoring. Especially from the left.
For now as wingback he's restricted to just creating, and the best at it (which is pretty embarassing for the rest playing in their favoured positions).
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 5 hours, 53 minutes ago
Once Hudson-odoi starts playing as a forward consistently, will 100% start scoring. Especially from the left.
For now as wingback he's restricted to just creating, and the best at it (which is pretty embarassing for the rest playing in their favoured positions).
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posted on 12/9/21
There's glimpses of ability but his footballing brain seems non-existent at times. A bit like Barkley.
posted on 12/9/21
Needs to play regularly at a club and not as a RWB. Wasted talent.
posted on 12/9/21
We have had some bad luck with some of our younger players getting injured at the wrong times and never recovering. CHO was to set the world alight but he just lost that confidence since the injury. The best thing for him would be to go somewhere and play week in week out as an attacking player - he may regain it - but not as a bit part right back.
When you look at Van Ginkel and even Loftus Cheek, they have never fulfilled their potential after serious injury.
posted on 12/9/21
I think he can be, as even as of now he’s fine as a squad player, so even if he doesn’t improve he can be good for that.
posted on 12/9/21
Not fantastic at any one thing unfortunately although has the obvious talent. Not particularly quick, skillfull, technical or strong.
As you say time on his side but I thought he was very underwhelming yesterday…again
posted on 12/9/21
As a squad player yeah, I could imagine him becoming our Walcott/Arsenal (and I don't mind that in a bad way lol). Patches of good form, disappear for a while, nagging injuries, rinse & repeat.
I would push for a move personally, get away from the expectations & embrace a fresh challenge with ambitions to come back to us stronger (being a Chelsea fan & all). Now's the time for something like that, not when he's 17 y/o & getting p!ssy cos he's not immediately ahead of PL & CL winners in the team.
posted on 12/9/21
Boy did we miss a trick when the Germans offered silly money for him
posted on 12/9/21
A loan move to a PL club where he'll play every game like Gallagher and Gilmour are doing would be good for him.
posted on 12/9/21
He's not really been helped thus far by being in and out the team without being given an extended run since he came back from injury.
I don't think we can really evaluate his potential until that happens. I also think he's disadvantaged here, especially given the competition, that as a home grown player he's easy to drop in favour of big money signings.
Combine that to the fact he's being played in a position alien to him when he does get a chance, it feels to me like the cards are being stacked against him.
posted on 13/9/21
The formation doesn’t suit him that well. He’s best as a winger in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3
At wingback there’s too much defensive responsibility, and in our current front 3 the position is more like an inside forward, much narrower.
I think the best move for him would be a team like Dortmund, or a mid table PL side. Ideally a loan but he might want to push for a permanent move, depending on how it goes.
posted on 13/9/21
comment by CSTP (U1453)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
The formation doesn’t suit him that well. He’s best as a winger in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3
At wingback there’s too much defensive responsibility, and in our current front 3 the position is more like an inside forward, much narrower.
I think the best move for him would be a team like Dortmund, or a mid table PL side. Ideally a loan but he might want to push for a permanent move, depending on how it goes.
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I think you may have identified the issue for CHO under Tuchel. However, I think he could learn that inside forward role tbh.
posted on 13/9/21
From an outside view, I think he is a very underrated player. His end product might not be all there, but he is a threat when he carries the ball, statistically one of the best as well. A quick player as well, he will be difficult for a lot of defenders to defend against.
If he can become more consistent with his end product, he has the potential to become one of the best wide players in the world. Whether that happens at Chelsea or not is a different story entirely.
posted on 13/9/21
Looks like I'm a minority that likes him as a RWB? Stretches play well & for a winger defends surprisingly competently from the position.
Basically anywhere on the right I think he's decent. Don't like him from the left.
posted on 13/9/21
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 10 hours, 26 minutes ago
He's not really been helped thus far by being in and out the team without being given an extended run since he came back from injury.
I don't think we can really evaluate his potential until that happens. I also think he's disadvantaged here, especially given the competition, that as a home grown player he's easy to drop in favour of big money signings.
Combine that to the fact he's being played in a position alien to him when he does get a chance, it feels to me like the cards are being stacked against him.
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I could be wrong but didn’t he get some good game time last year when tuchel first come in?
posted on 13/9/21
I'm reading with interest. Undoubtedly, CHO has talent, ability and potential. But he's not a right wing back - Villa attacked our right side on Saturday and we could have lost - yes, Saúl has most of the blame, but CHO has to help out Chalobah more. Chalobah was being overrun because Saúl and CHO were not in position.
Also, there is absolutely no doubt that he is not as threatening, not as confident as he was before his injury a couple of years back when you terrorised defences. He seems hesitant to try and beat his man now.
Maybe he needs a season out on loan playing week in week out. I think he should have been allowed to go to Dortmund this year because he is not going to develop and regain his confidence as a bit part right back.
posted on 13/9/21
He has a lot of talent, but I don’t think he has a great footballing brain. He reminds me of Joe Cole - skillful and quick (faster than Cole), but inevitably chooses the wrong options. At least with Cole he put in the effort, whereas I don’t see that with CHO. He’s forced to track back as a wing back, but you can see he just wants to stay upfront. He may be better as a winger in a different formation, but it will likely have to be at another club. Our forwards are just better than CHO - I can’t see him getting a look in as a winger/forward at Chelsea.
posted on 13/9/21
He reminds me of Joe Cole - skillful and quick (faster than Cole), but inevitably chooses the wrong options?
I would never have thought or have never seen anyone critique joe Cole about this? I thought his decision making was pretty good.
posted on 13/9/21
Joe Cole was great
RWB is fine for CHO against bad or defensive teams. But Villa weren’t like that.
posted on 21/9/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
From an outside view, I think he is a very underrated player. His end product might not be all there, but he is a threat when he carries the ball, statistically one of the best as well. A quick player as well, he will be difficult for a lot of defenders to defend against.
If he can become more consistent with his end product, he has the potential to become one of the best wide players in the world. Whether that happens at Chelsea or not is a different story entirely.
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Well, color me shocked...you as an outsider is close to the mark and more clued-up on Hudson-Odoi than the clueless sheep with useless viewpoints that have commented on the subject will ever be (not the first or the last time I'll see inane remarks from these posters, with regards to certain players).
Callum' obvious talent, variety, mental capacity and the concept of development is way beyond the comprehension of these numbskulls (with the exception of 1 or 2).
You hit the post on the end product perspective though.
Disingenious and a fallacy (which I'll never subscribe to) to claim that his end product is lacking...
How can one be a top chance creator, top for progressive dribling and ball carrying into the box, top for passing/crossing into the penalty area, top for switching play, top for key passes, top for shot and goal creating actions in the underlying (advanced) metrics for two seasons-in-a-row and not have end product, a pure contradiction.
The epitome of consistent end product, highlights his extraordinary uniqueness & footballing IQ in comparison to the rest.
Not even to mention in the 19/20 was our highest assist-maker, bear in mind had just comeback from horrific (potentially) career ending injury (the worst injury an explosive attacker can incur..lost alot of calf muscle mass), damining indicment on the rest of the forwards.
Stupendous output is a testament to his tremendous mental fortitude. (If there is one thing lacking it's the managers trust & gametime, talent is head and shoulders above the rest)
I notice your lot have been sniffing around, making tentative enquires for some months.
Lets face it, your going to need to replace Mane very soon he's at the end of his shelf-life and Hudson-Odoi would be a perfect replacement on the left.
Your efforts will ultimately be in vain and futile though, just like Bayern' tried with their utmost charm offensive, to the extent that they offered him the iconic number 10 shirt (previously worn by Robben).
The club catagorically said no, value him highly.
If it were down to the loons on here he'd be sold and that would be the modern day equivalent of losing De Bruyne.
The day he's actually on the market (club won't ever do that, don't get any ideas), he'll be highly coveted (if not the most sought-after player)
posted on 21/9/21
Disingenious and a fallacy (which I'll never subscribe to) to claim that his end product is lacking...
How can one be a top chance creator, top for progressive dribling and ball carrying into the box, top for passing/crossing into the penalty area, top for switching play, top for key passes, top for shot and goal creating actions in the underlying (advanced) metrics for two seasons-in-a-row and not have end product, a pure contradiction.
The epitome of consistent end product, highlights his extraordinary uniqueness & footballing IQ in comparison to the rest.
Because being top of the progressive dribbles metric isn't an example of an end product. Goals and assists are and I'd argue chance creation as well, but even that's subjective. Top for switching play and key passes also isn't an example of having a consistent end product, goals and assists are the top metric.
I rate him highly and, like I said, if he improves his end product and his numbers, he will be one of the world's best. But when you consider he got 5 goals and 5 assists in 37 appearances last season for Chelsea and Mane has 3 goals in 5 appearances this season as well as 16 goals and 9 assists in 48 appearances last season, somebody "coming to the end of his shelf life" isn't doing too badly considering he's averaging a goal involvement every 0.53 games whereas an ideal replacement is averaging a goal involvement every 0.27 games. That's what I mean by end product.
He's obviously not as good as Mane and his potential is there and probably does need more consistent starts as well, but his end product needs to improve. As I say, I think he is very underrated, but his numbers need to look better if he is to be one of the world's best in his position.
posted on 21/9/21
Hudson-odoi's end product is great.
Assists is not the greatest metric.
Hudson-odoi's level of ingenuity doesn't truly reflect in assists stat.
Doesn't do Cal' outrageous output & playmaking ability justice, a massive disserve in fact.
Should already have been on double assists figure past two season, if not for the fact that he had to rely on (bad) finishing.
Assist numbers will improve when players start putting his high quality clearcut chances he creates in the back of the net.
Big chances created & key passes is the best metric for creativity, not assists.
posted on 21/9/21
I do agree he has been let down by poor finishing and yes, big chances and key passes are good metrics to use, but they are still subjective because what is classed as a big chance for example.
Poor finishing does knock his assist figures down, but he still has more to prove for me and he needs to get those numbers up. He probably does need to move away from Chelsea to do it though.
posted on 21/9/21
Once Hudson-odoi starts playing as a forward consistently, will 100% start scoring. Especially from the left.
For now as wingback he's restricted to just creating, and the best at it (which is pretty embarassing for the rest playing in their favoured positions).
posted on 21/9/21
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 5 hours, 53 minutes ago
Once Hudson-odoi starts playing as a forward consistently, will 100% start scoring. Especially from the left.
For now as wingback he's restricted to just creating, and the best at it (which is pretty embarassing for the rest playing in their favoured positions).
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This statement lacks a little something... probably fact based evidence
Call me old-fashioned but I think this is important
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