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posted on 13/9/21

I thought Bielsa had been chasing Dan James for years? Surely he is responsible for some of the poor recruitment if so?

comment by Cloggy (U1250)

posted on 13/9/21

Leeds are going to do a Leeds

posted on 13/9/21

Bit harsh including firpo and james in that list asking if we have got value for money - need to give them two at least until Christmas.

Llorente and Koch not played enough games and Rodrigo is playing a position he’s not played in before.

Costa - no.

posted on 13/9/21

Against 14 teams we’ll be alright have no doubts about that. Bielsa playing open football against top 6 just isn’t working but he’s not going to change that so let’s just accept we will get a few spankings this season from
The top guns. Won’t define our season though

posted on 13/9/21

Isn't Bielsa responsible fro signings? Or at least heavily involved?

posted on 13/9/21

I said last season Leeds will need to survive their first three years. One down two to go. If they do that then they should be fine afterwards IMO.

posted on 13/9/21

Firpo looked good in moments yesterday, I thought. Salah is the best RW in the world, so not going to be on top of him a game, but stood up to him well. Struggled with their overload down that side, but seemed to be left isolated to me.

Llorente and Firpo are value for money, with question marks surrounding others (except Costa, who probably wasn't).

posted on 13/9/21

Rodrigo isn't a midfielder.
Roberts isn't a game changer
Cooper isn't Premier League quality

These are facts of the season so far for me.

posted on 13/9/21


posted 8 minutes ago
Firpo looked good in moments yesterday, I thought. Salah is the best RW in the world, so not going to be on top of him a game, but stood up to him well. Struggled with their overload down that side, but seemed to be left isolated to me.
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I agree with that, thought he got better as the game went on.

Just at the moment, doesn’t look value for money, hopefully will change

No A14, they are opinions, not fact.

And disagree totally about the the Cooper one

posted on 13/9/21

Firpo has only played two and a half games of PL football, and they were against Man United and Liverpool, as well as Everton. That's not the baptism I think he should be judged on. Add into that the fact he's moving to a new country, and that he has had Covid, think he could be given a bit more time.

posted on 13/9/21

Llorente is looking like a big waste of money unless itsLeeds coaches overworking him. A professional athlete shouldn't be picking up 3 hamstring tears in 17 matches. Rodrigo is being played out of position and im starting to question why we didn't let Barca buy him. Wasn't a good game for James to come on to but he looked like a decimal place was missing from his price. Firpo ain't no better than Alioski atm and we should have kept Pablo.

Poor recruitment as LIW said

posted on 13/9/21

I don’t get the criticism of Firpo at all. Thought he did a great job against Salah one on one.

He was far better than Llorente who again is way too eager to nick the ball and can easily be turned. It’s also Coopers biggest fault defensively.

Comments are right that Bielsa has to take a fair share of the responsibility for signings. His desperation to get James made it easy for Man U to dig their heels in on price. Bielsa’s choice to bring in JKA.

Rodrigo is a huge problem and I wish we could have let him go for £15m in the summer. I don’t think he wa ever signed to play in midfield. Cuisance failed medical couples with Bamfords form has made it necessary and it just hasn’t worked.

posted on 13/9/21

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I said last season Leeds will need to survive their first three years. One down two to go. If they do that then they should be fine afterwards IMO.
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Bournemouth looked fine until they picked up loads of injuries. Anyone outside the top 8 can get relegated if they get there transfers wrong

posted on 13/9/21

comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 29 minutes ago
I don’t get the criticism of Firpo at all. Thought he did a great job against Salah one on one.

He was far better than Llorente who again is way too eager to nick the ball and can easily be turned. It’s also Coopers biggest fault defensively.

Comments are right that Bielsa has to take a fair share of the responsibility for signings. His desperation to get James made it easy for Man U to dig their heels in on price. Bielsa’s choice to bring in JKA.

Rodrigo is a huge problem and I wish we could have let him go for £15m in the summer. I don’t think he wa ever signed to play in midfield. Cuisance failed medical couples with Bamfords form has made it necessary and it just hasn’t worked.


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Got to disagree with this. Think second half firpo got better but first half thought he got ripped to shreds - everything was on their right side. Don’t think he was supported too well either - the man marking and strictness of staying with your man has its fair share of disadvantages

Were you at the game?

posted on 13/9/21

comment by A14... ( ليدز_يونايتد )You gotta l... (U2805)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
Against 14 teams we’ll be alright have no doubts about that. Bielsa playing open football against top 6 just isn’t working but he’s not going to change that so let’s just accept we will get a few spankings this season from
The top guns. Won’t define our season though
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I think that drubbings against Man Utd and Liverpool will have an impact not the least on confidence but you are right games against other lower half teams will define our season, teams like Burnley who we scraped a draw against.
We have looked disjointed so far this season and the recruitment and retention over the transfer window was very poor, the jury is out on Firpo and I have seen nothing to date that points to him having been at Barcelona and why we paid such a shocking amount of money for James is beyond me.
Add to that the poor form of Ayling, Dallas, Rodrigo, Rapha and Harrison and we are team struggling at the moment.
Carry on the way we are and we will go down.

posted on 13/9/21

Firpo won a few 1 v 1 tackles but got ravaged numerous times also. In terms of getting forward and doing what Alioski did with Harrison, he barely did anything of note. Its early doors for him though

posted on 13/9/21

comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Rapinha with you! (U9955)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I said last season Leeds will need to survive their first three years. One down two to go. If they do that then they should be fine afterwards IMO.
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Bournemouth looked fine until they picked up loads of injuries. Anyone outside the top 8 can get relegated if they get there transfers wrong
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Remains to be seen if Leeds have got theirs wrong. Was always going to be tough for Leeds but I genuinely think it'll get easier because better players will slowly start joining the club. I reckon the team will be very different 5 years from now so long as they stay up.

posted on 13/9/21

Newcastle (A)
West Ham (H)
Watford (H)
Southampton (A)
Wolves (H)
Norwich (A)


10 points minimum. 13 ideal. 15 great.

posted on 13/9/21

Not sure why we didnt sign a quality CM in the summer. Looks like we are crying out for one.

God knows whats happening with Llorente he seems made of glass. Kochs a worry too. I think Struijk has been our best defender so far this season!

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 13/9/21

"I think Struijk has been our best defender so far this season!"

I wouldn't disagree and that's a concern.

posted on 13/9/21

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 17 minutes ago
"I think Struijk has been our best defender so far this season!"

I wouldn't disagree and that's a concern.

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He's probably first choice atm. Never seen such a quiet centre back lol. We look lost for leaders atm, what the hell is up with Forshaw now?

posted on 13/9/21

Hard to quantify whether these players are providing the level expected for the money spent.
If you spend big on one player - £50M plus then the chances are he is going to be a very good player for your club. Cant name too many £50M flops if any.
When you are fishing in our pool at with prices of £10m - £28m its a different kettle of fish. Every club in the premier league is buying these players are many do not improve the side. You only have to look at Everton for evidence of buying lots of £20-30m pound players and not really improving their league position. Its not an easy job.

If you were to look at those signings positively then.
Rodrigo - think everyone would agree he has been the main disappointment at £28m.

Costa - The fee may have been too high but he contributed massively in getting us into the top flight. A £16m fee to help earn us £300m for seasons in the Premier League. I cant call that a bad signing or bad value.

Koch - £12m is a pretty cheap sum of money at this level and unfortunately he has just been injured a lot or had to play out of position. In each of his previous 6 seaons he has played 29 / 24 / 27 / 32 / 25 / 34 games so he does not appear to have been injury prone prior to signing him. On that front we appear to have been unlucky. He picked up an injury on his debut and played on with injury until the New Year when he had the operation. It is far too early therefore to judge a player who has played the majority of his games carrying an injury or playing out of position for us.

Lloente - prior to coming to Leeds he played 31 / 32 / 32 / 37 / 27 / 28 / 23 / 30 games in his seasons in Spain. He managed 15 for Leeds. Again he was not signed as a injury prone player so again we appear to have been unlucky here. 3 hamstring injuries - do they need to modify training for him now? At £19m when he has played i think he has looked like a £19m player. Just unlucky that he has not played more.

Firpo - give the lad a break. New to the country. Barely played last season. Just had covid and plays against one the worlds best forwards and people are considering writing him off already. At £12m he falls into the category of a fairly decent chance that he wont be brilliant. Its a cheap Premier signing.

James - whilst i agree i would not have spent £25m on him lets give him the chance. Hes played half an hour in a team that was down to 10-men against one of the best sides in the world.

posted on 13/9/21

comment by A14... ( ليدز_يونايتد )You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 29 minutes ago
I don’t get the criticism of Firpo at all. Thought he did a great job against Salah one on one.

He was far better than Llorente who again is way too eager to nick the ball and can easily be turned. It’s also Coopers biggest fault defensively.

Comments are right that Bielsa has to take a fair share of the responsibility for signings. His desperation to get James made it easy for Man U to dig their heels in on price. Bielsa’s choice to bring in JKA.

Rodrigo is a huge problem and I wish we could have let him go for £15m in the summer. I don’t think he wa ever signed to play in midfield. Cuisance failed medical couples with Bamfords form has made it necessary and it just hasn’t worked.


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Got to disagree with this. Think second half firpo got better but first half thought he got ripped to shreds - everything was on their right side. Don’t think he was supported too well either - the man marking and strictness of staying with your man has its fair share of disadvantages

Were you at the game?
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Yes was at the game.

Liverpool attacked a lot down that side and yet he kept Salah a lot quieter than Ayling managed to with Mane. We are very lucky that Mane had such a shocker because he could have scored 3 or 4.

There were plenty of times where Firpo was really exposed and I could see the amount of space he had to defend. And he did well plenty of times. You have to remember how many left backs Salah has torn to shreds and I don't think Salah found it easy.

He certainly wasn't done as easy as both Llorente & Cooper which led to their bookings.

posted on 13/9/21

comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by A14... ( ليدز_يونايتد )You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 29 minutes ago
I don’t get the criticism of Firpo at all. Thought he did a great job against Salah one on one.

He was far better than Llorente who again is way too eager to nick the ball and can easily be turned. It’s also Coopers biggest fault defensively.

Comments are right that Bielsa has to take a fair share of the responsibility for signings. His desperation to get James made it easy for Man U to dig their heels in on price. Bielsa’s choice to bring in JKA.

Rodrigo is a huge problem and I wish we could have let him go for £15m in the summer. I don’t think he wa ever signed to play in midfield. Cuisance failed medical couples with Bamfords form has made it necessary and it just hasn’t worked.


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Got to disagree with this. Think second half firpo got better but first half thought he got ripped to shreds - everything was on their right side. Don’t think he was supported too well either - the man marking and strictness of staying with your man has its fair share of disadvantages

Were you at the game?
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Yes was at the game.

Liverpool attacked a lot down that side and yet he kept Salah a lot quieter than Ayling managed to with Mane. We are very lucky that Mane had such a shocker because he could have scored 3 or 4.

There were plenty of times where Firpo was really exposed and I could see the amount of space he had to defend. And he did well plenty of times. You have to remember how many left backs Salah has torn to shreds and I don't think Salah found it easy.

He certainly wasn't done as easy as both Llorente & Cooper which led to their bookings.
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Fair points there. Maybe I was overalls focussed on the firpo aspect as was sat around that right hand side and cringed everytime salah got the ball. Spot on about Mane - could easily have had 4

posted on 13/9/21

To me the problem is obvious which is our lightweight midfield which Bielsa loads with wingers and forwards and only one recognised midfielder.

Against Man U he put a defender in Koch in their along with Klich our one recognised midfielder and then like yesterday Harrison Raphina and Rodrigo, wingers and forwards.

I just wish Bielsa would not keep doing this and for the Newcastle game play 4 defenders in defence 3 midfielders in midfield two wingers and a forward.

The midfielders we have are KP, Klich, Shackleton and a returning from long term injury Foreshaw and then a couple of U23s which is not enough for the rigours of the Premier League and the club are guilty of neglect in not signing at least one new midfielder after their pursuit of Gallagher fell through.

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