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posted on 17/9/21

comment by Anne is ruled out on medical grounds (U8366)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
He is unbelievably talented, but has to work harder. His control is Dembele level but defensively he needs to do more.

He is though legitimately capable of becoming a world class player, the raw talent is incredible.
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What's lazy is fans saying "he needs to do more defensively". Why should he? It's not his game. You don't say a CB needs to score more goals.

And never mind all this, I saw him doing a huge amount of defensive work, clearances in our own box, making tackles etc. The one tackle he didn't make, they score from and again its "he needs to do more". Ridiculous
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posted on 17/9/21

comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 8 minutes ago
Dele best contributions have been defensively this season
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I agree, but that itself is worrying, as other than the Pen at Wolves he has contributed little going forwards. I would like a midfielder who can do both, we should have cloned Dembele
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Ironically Dembele didn't score or assist. So as much as I rated Dembele I think some have a very exaggerated view of his contributions. Wanyama and Eriksen were just as key in his best season.
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Dembele was a monster

He could do everything …..his defensive work was not exaggerated enough ….he would win the ball back countless times

Much like modric I think his assists were down as he was always the pass before the assist ….the space he opened up with the drop of his shoulder

I miss seeing him play ….was a rolls Royce of a player

posted on 17/9/21

comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Anne is ruled out on medical grounds (U8366)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
He is unbelievably talented, but has to work harder. His control is Dembele level but defensively he needs to do more.

He is though legitimately capable of becoming a world class player, the raw talent is incredible.
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What's lazy is fans saying "he needs to do more defensively". Why should he? It's not his game. You don't say a CB needs to score more goals.

And never mind all this, I saw him doing a huge amount of defensive work, clearances in our own box, making tackles etc. The one tackle he didn't make, they score from and again its "he needs to do more". Ridiculous
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He does either have to do more or the side have to be able to cope with the defensive deficiency. Poch got this, Jose didn’t and Nuno looks a bit confused as well.

No way can we have 3 up top and then Dele and Tanguy in the same midfield, we would be over run. Tanguy will dominate against bottom 10 Prem sides and European fodder, but when has he ever done that for us against City, United, Liverpool or Chelsea - that’s where he has to do more. Kane and Son do more by creating chances as well as scoring and they are our two best players, no excuses for Tanguy.
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If can dominate below top 6 clubs its good enough.
Palace were quaking in their boots for that midfield last week

posted on 17/9/21

The narrative that Ndombele is lazy is lazy in itself, but on the flip side of that he does need to work a bit harder.

We have had plenty of quality that didnt really put a foot in or compete physically and Eriksen comes to mind. But he put in the yards, often covering the most distance. NDombele needs to be disciplined in his postioning and maintain his effort, not necessarily getting stuck in. I have seen him standing around a bit too much at times, his effort is a bit sporadic. You can get away with that if you are Messi but he needs to deliver before he gets any slack given.

Having said that he needs to be in the team. vs someone like Chelsea, may be not alongside PEH. And if we are missing some wide players at the weekend, maybe NDombele in Dele's position, moving him wider

posted on 17/9/21

Players stand around all the time during a football game

People just notice it more with Tanguy because they're looking for it

posted on 17/9/21

comment by Troy'sTanguyTanganga (U6468)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
comment by Anne is ruled out on medical grounds (U8366)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
He is unbelievably talented, but has to work harder. His control is Dembele level but defensively he needs to do more.

He is though legitimately capable of becoming a world class player, the raw talent is incredible.
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What's lazy is fans saying "he needs to do more defensively". Why should he? It's not his game. You don't say a CB needs to score more goals.

And never mind all this, I saw him doing a huge amount of defensive work, clearances in our own box, making tackles etc. The one tackle he didn't make, they score from and again its "he needs to do more". Ridiculous
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posted on 17/9/21

comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 30 minutes ago

People just notice it more with Tanguy because they're looking for it
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You most certainly are

comment by Ace (U22467)

posted on 17/9/21

If he’s fit he walks into our first 11 not the slightest question about it, he’s our most talented midfielder by far and the only like to get on the ball and keep it or create something moving forward that’s more than a long diagonal pass. He has to start on Sunday, if I see PEH, Skipp and Winks as the starting MF three then I’m done.

comment by Ace (U22467)

posted on 17/9/21

comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 8 minutes ago
Dele best contributions have been defensively this season
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I agree, but that itself is worrying, as other than the Pen at Wolves he has contributed little going forwards. I would like a midfielder who can do both, we should have cloned Dembele
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Ironically Dembele didn't score or assist. So as much as I rated Dembele I think some have a very exaggerated view of his contributions. Wanyama and Eriksen were just as key in his best season.
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Wanyama was a destroyer, but as a footballer he wasn’t fit to lace Dembeles boots, as Eriksen was an entirely different type of player. Dembele at his best owned the central mid area, winning tackles, holding possession, driving the ball forward with oppo players bouncing off of him. His strength on the ball was insane and as a resulted his presence created so much room for others. He could carry the ball 35 yards with ease after winning it on the D, his transitional play was so important to us.

Different player to Ndombele - both can carry the ball, but where Ndom lacks Dembeles strength he has better creative ability. For the record I’d say Dembeles best season was 17/18, when Wanyama was mostly out injured.

posted on 17/9/21

comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 7 hours, 44 minutes ago
If he’s fit he walks into our first 11 not the slightest question about it, he’s our most talented midfielder by far and the only like to get on the ball and keep it or create something moving forward that’s more than a long diagonal pass. He has to start on Sunday, if I see PEH, Skipp and Winks as the starting MF three then I’m done.
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I've said all along Ndombele should be given the chance to prove himself.
The players say it too...based on what he does in practice.
The fact that he wants away should not matter......after all Kane wants away too!

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