or to join or start a new Discussion

Articles/all comments
These 72 comments are related to an article called:

Who would you rather play under?

Page 3 of 3

posted on 17/9/21

I have heard from various reliable sources such as RDD and Goat-fiddler that Ole's treatment of Lukaku and VDB has been pretty much Kim Jong un-esque. So I'm not so sure about the 'soft-touch' label.

posted on 17/9/21

comment by Pidier Pogba (U11414)
posted on 17/09/21

Jurgen Klopp for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
<eek>

posted on 17/9/21

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 15 minutes ago

Just on the op, that’s one of the myths about Pep. His style I’d argue is more regimented than any other.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, I don't see Guardiola as 'freeform'. The criticism that Solskjaer gets is that (like Mourinho) there's relatively little emphasis on drilled attacking patterns.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Structured attacking patterns is more what I'm referring to in the OP.

Obviously all these managers have a regimented system, however Pep allows his players to be fluid under a certain framework whereas Tuchel's systems always see players do it under structure. Player x does this, player y does this.

posted on 17/9/21

comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 15 minutes ago

Just on the op, that’s one of the myths about Pep. His style I’d argue is more regimented than any other.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, I don't see Guardiola as 'freeform'. The criticism that Solskjaer gets is that (like Mourinho) there's relatively little emphasis on drilled attacking patterns.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Structured attacking patterns is more what I'm referring to in the OP.

Obviously all these managers have a regimented system, however Pep allows his players to be fluid under a certain framework whereas Tuchel's systems always see players do it under structure. Player x does this, player y does this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think this is true - Pep has a system but it is more fluid and more progressive. He has a clear style and system of play and buys who he thinks are the players who he thinks implement this system the best.

Klopp also has a clearly identifiable style and system and he too has been able to get a first 11 who play his system perfectly.

Despite being "fluid" systems, they are also rigid in their style - TAA can't just pop up on the left and Mane can't just decide not to give width or play central at a whim.

Tuchel is a pragmatist. He is quite prepared to have 75% possession and play slow possession football against smaller teams but he is also intelligent enough to know Man City will have more possession than Chelsea and he will make his players cover the open spaces so as not to allow them to attack the back 4. Against Liverpool we saw him counter vs counter with 11 men and then cover spaces with 10 men. His is the hardest job as the players have to be more adaptable and play both defence and attack - press and deep.

My problem with Solskjaer are not his result but I fail to see a system. It seems to be an ability to win a fair amount of games out of tactical confusion. Do United want the ball or do they counter-attack? Are they pragmatic or do they just have that quality to come through the majority of games despite the lack of leadership and direction? I believe it is the latter. I think united are a runaway bus always at the point of crashing and destruction but somehow always managing to just about stay on the road - Keystone Cops style. But if it works, who's to say it's wrong?

posted on 17/9/21

Lole for me. I was a right back and I'd actually have a chance of getting a game. Couldn't play as a right back under Klopp as I was never fit enough to get high up the pitch and then quickly get back when the ball is lost.

posted on 17/9/21

comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 15 minutes ago

Just on the op, that’s one of the myths about Pep. His style I’d argue is more regimented than any other.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, I don't see Guardiola as 'freeform'. The criticism that Solskjaer gets is that (like Mourinho) there's relatively little emphasis on drilled attacking patterns.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Structured attacking patterns is more what I'm referring to in the OP.

Obviously all these managers have a regimented system, however Pep allows his players to be fluid under a certain framework whereas Tuchel's systems always see players do it under structure. Player x does this, player y does this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think this is true - Pep has a system but it is more fluid and more progressive. He has a clear style and system of play and buys who he thinks are the players who he thinks implement this system the best.

Klopp also has a clearly identifiable style and system and he too has been able to get a first 11 who play his system perfectly.

Despite being "fluid" systems, they are also rigid in their style - TAA can't just pop up on the left and Mane can't just decide not to give width or play central at a whim.

Tuchel is a pragmatist. He is quite prepared to have 75% possession and play slow possession football against smaller teams but he is also intelligent enough to know Man City will have more possession than Chelsea and he will make his players cover the open spaces so as not to allow them to attack the back 4. Against Liverpool we saw him counter vs counter with 11 men and then cover spaces with 10 men. His is the hardest job as the players have to be more adaptable and play both defence and attack - press and deep.

My problem with Solskjaer are not his result but I fail to see a system. It seems to be an ability to win a fair amount of games out of tactical confusion. Do United want the ball or do they counter-attack? Are they pragmatic or do they just have that quality to come through the majority of games despite the lack of leadership and direction? I believe it is the latter. I think united are a runaway bus always at the point of crashing and destruction but somehow always managing to just about stay on the road - Keystone Cops style. But if it works, who's to say it's wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good post however Mane often plays central, as does Salah. The front three are fluid. In fact it was only last season when TAA and Robertson stopped ending up on opposite sides multiple times per game. TAA was taking corners from both sides and having taken from the left, they would often spend several minutes in a game on opposite sides before switching back.

posted on 17/9/21

I don't think this is true - Pep has a system but it is more fluid and more progressive. He has a clear style and system of play and buys who he thinks are the players who he thinks implement this system the best.

Klopp also has a clearly identifiable style and system and he too has been able to get a first 11 who play his system perfectly.

Despite being "fluid" systems, they are also rigid in their style - TAA can't just pop up on the left and Mane can't just decide not to give width or play central at a whim.

----------------------------

That's what I was referencing, both teams have a "fluid" system, but it's performed under a framework that neither will want to be broken.

Infamously, Henry used to comment on Pep and he said he once subbed him at half time at Barca because the former wasn't doing his role despite scoring. Ruthless man.

posted on 17/9/21

comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 15 minutes ago

Just on the op, that’s one of the myths about Pep. His style I’d argue is more regimented than any other.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, I don't see Guardiola as 'freeform'. The criticism that Solskjaer gets is that (like Mourinho) there's relatively little emphasis on drilled attacking patterns.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Structured attacking patterns is more what I'm referring to in the OP.

Obviously all these managers have a regimented system, however Pep allows his players to be fluid under a certain framework whereas Tuchel's systems always see players do it under structure. Player x does this, player y does this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think this is true - Pep has a system but it is more fluid and more progressive. He has a clear style and system of play and buys who he thinks are the players who he thinks implement this system the best.

Klopp also has a clearly identifiable style and system and he too has been able to get a first 11 who play his system perfectly.

Despite being "fluid" systems, they are also rigid in their style - TAA can't just pop up on the left and Mane can't just decide not to give width or play central at a whim.

Tuchel is a pragmatist. He is quite prepared to have 75% possession and play slow possession football against smaller teams but he is also intelligent enough to know Man City will have more possession than Chelsea and he will make his players cover the open spaces so as not to allow them to attack the back 4. Against Liverpool we saw him counter vs counter with 11 men and then cover spaces with 10 men. His is the hardest job as the players have to be more adaptable and play both defence and attack - press and deep.

My problem with Solskjaer are not his result but I fail to see a system. It seems to be an ability to win a fair amount of games out of tactical confusion. Do United want the ball or do they counter-attack? Are they pragmatic or do they just have that quality to come through the majority of games despite the lack of leadership and direction? I believe it is the latter. I think united are a runaway bus always at the point of crashing and destruction but somehow always managing to just about stay on the road - Keystone Cops style. But if it works, who's to say it's wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
errrr. the above is not true.

mane can go anywhere. and does.

trent is a right full. but he can go into midfield.

Its a bit unrealistic to expect players to swap sides on a whi mand they have starting positions but just last weekend jota and mane switched it up between central and left wing and they are expected to go move about.


pep if anything is less fluid. he tucks fullback into quasis dcm roles and wants wide players to stay wide to stretch teams while is 423 attacking cms do the moving about.

its all about system and then add the player intelligence to go do what they think is best.

agent ole likes a low block defence with a high line, hard running, but defensive minded players and randomly sprinkle attackers in anything but thier correct position. only a genius like him could keep his job that long and still shoot them in the foot so often.

posted on 17/9/21

Big Sam or Pulis

posted on 17/9/21

I’d play for Ole so I’d get the chance to play for United…

Pep’s attacking is very regimented and well drilled, Henry talked about it on MNF when looking at his time playing at Barca, speaking about how he wasn’t supposed to cross an imagery line into the other wide players attacking space and got a b*llocking when he did.

posted on 17/9/21

comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 1 minute ago
I’d play for Ole so I’d get the chance to play for United…

Pep’s attacking is very regimented and well drilled, Henry talked about it on MNF when looking at his time playing at Barca, speaking about how he wasn’t supposed to cross an imagery line into the other wide players attacking space and got a b*llocking when he did.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Referenced that above, I thought he was subbed at half time, could be wrong but I know it didn't go down well either way.

posted on 17/9/21

dunno why peopel are being literal and associating managers with clubs.

you can imagine these managers at your own club if you like i guess

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 17/9/21

comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 2 minutes ago
It depends on how strong minded and independent you are,but if you want an easy ride sort of thing,I'd go for Ole !
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True, if your strong minded and independent you certainly don't want Pep.or Klopp, it has to be their way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Could you not argue a lack of scrutiny is an example of poor management?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It wasn't who was good or bad.
If I play for Ole I'm playing at a club I support, playing for a club legend, getting top wages, currently top of the league. I don't need to think about it. It would be a dream come true
----------------------------------------------------------------------

What if it’s Ole at Cardiff? You’d be getting relegated
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only if the owner is still picking the team.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 17/9/21

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Ole-dirty-baztard - You want ole in, ole out, in, out, in, out, shake it all about. Do the ole Koke-Penited (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ole winning. Just shows how valued he is by Utd and opposition fans..
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that really a good thing?

People wanting to work under the soft touch manager, that's hardly much of a surprise. But not exactly what you'd want from a managerial point of view. You can't just be everyone's friend.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So it should be a manager everybody hates right??? Or am I missing something???
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No it shouldn't, but successful managers are not those who try to befriend everybody that they manage. You can like your manager and your manager can like you, but when all is said and done, the manager is there to manage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Has he made friends with Tzuanabe, Beaky, James, de gea, Lingard, Lindelof?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Or Lukaku?

posted on 17/9/21

comment by Kingdom of Davids (U21957)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Big Sam or Pulis
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd kill for a place in Harry Redknapp's little black book.

You could play for 10 different top flight clubs over your career, and still not have to move your family away from London.

posted on 17/9/21

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 2 minutes ago
It depends on how strong minded and independent you are,but if you want an easy ride sort of thing,I'd go for Ole !
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True, if your strong minded and independent you certainly don't want Pep.or Klopp, it has to be their way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

posted on 17/9/21

Of you want to win anything worthwhile in your career then its either Pep or Klopp.

posted on 17/9/21

*Pep, Klopp or Tuchel

comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted on 17/9/21

Ole being top of the list surprised me, until I remembered that the only reason this site is so popular is because none of us want to actually do any work

posted on 17/9/21

Klopp

His style and his personality are the most entertaining.

comment by Devil (U6522)

posted on 17/9/21

Out of those five probably Rodgers personally. Looks like a fun guy to work for & has a great record of improving players.

Definitely not Pep or Klopp. I can 100% see why a certain personality type would view either of them like a god... but I'm not that guy . Both WAY too intense, would drive me insane seeing them every single day.

comment by #4zA (U22472)

posted on 18/9/21

Ole Soulscar becuse i cud just ignore him n do whut I want, when I want then d-mand 300,000 per weak from that dumbass sporting directer fooktard.
n b near the dreambote El Matador every day

Page 3 of 3

Sign in if you want to comment