The players generally mirror the fans. A few already consigned themselves to a loss.
Some fans don't see conference league as a priority then are shocked when players behave the same way.
Some fans already think Nuno isn't good enough yet have no better options that are available, then are shocked when players don't listen to instructions or give 100%
Some fans think Arsenal will beat us before we have even played the game and I bet there are some players that will mirror this also.
In short Nuno needs to get rid of any players that think of behave like some defeatist fans.
Some fans don't see conference league as a priority then are shocked when players behave the same way.
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comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 22 minutes ago
The players generally mirror the fans. A few already consigned themselves to a loss.
Some fans don't see conference league as a priority then are shocked when players behave the same way.
Some fans already think Nuno isn't good enough yet have no better options that are available, then are shocked when players don't listen to instructions or give 100%
Some fans think Arsenal will beat us before we have even played the game and I bet there are some players that will mirror this also.
In short Nuno needs to get rid of any players that think of behave like some defeatist fans.
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This is a very interesting way at looking at it. Really well put
Lack of leadership on the pitch has been a big problem for years. You need a couple of characters in your side who will believe and fight - Lamela was the last one we had like this.
It comes from the top though, as far as I am concerned all roads lead back to Levy - Some transfers are too difficult to do - some games are too difficult to win. There is a a loser mentality seeped into the club at the moment and it has to change.
Unfortunately these things usually get much worse before they get better - look at Arsenal.
Would love us to bring big Martin Jol or Harry back, that’s the sort of manager we need now, a character, someone who knows when the carrot or the stick is needed and who will get a bit of passion out of the players. If the fans see the players fighting for it then they will back them to the hilt and turn WHL back into what always used to be a cacophony noise.
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure I’ve seen anyone say it’s acceptable. I did an article saying there at least some small positives in the intent of Nunos set up and the first half effort before the shocking capitulation. Could be classed as looking for crumbs if comfort perhaps, but certainly not an acceptance of what’s going on, far from it. I’m deeply concerned by how average and thin our squad is, how we are not creating or scoring at all, and how Nuno is largely getting it all wrong before and during games.
I think we’ll finish between 8th and 12th with no trophy as usual, and that Nuno will not be our head coach at the start of next season. There’s very little to be optimistic about right now.
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This is exactly it. To think we've accepted a 0-3 result at home is absurd. Context is everything. Chelsea are exceptional. I think we can separate the loss from the first half performance and say that if this is a process, then that first 45 is a stepping stone on that path. We're not the finished article but I think we all saw moments of promise during that time.
I think too many fans coo over a result and never really analyse a performance. There was more to be positive about in yesterday's 0-3 loss, than either of the two victories over Wolves and Watford. Both of those were fortuitous moments in an otherwise uninspiring display against teams considered beneath us. The first half yesterday saw us dominate the European champions for 45 mins, albeit without creating many true clear cut chances.
There are big issues, sure, but we need to take the positives where there are some. If the OP can't see the positive parts of yesterday then that says more about his inability to analyse a game beyond the final result.
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure I’ve seen anyone say it’s acceptable. I did an article saying there at least some small positives in the intent of Nunos set up and the first half effort before the shocking capitulation. Could be classed as looking for crumbs if comfort perhaps, but certainly not an acceptance of what’s going on, far from it. I’m deeply concerned by how average and thin our squad is, how we are not creating or scoring at all, and how Nuno is largely getting it all wrong before and during games.
I think we’ll finish between 8th and 12th with no trophy as usual, and that Nuno will not be our head coach at the start of next season. There’s very little to be optimistic about right now.
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Well I have read countless comments saying we did well and can be proud of the first 45mins.
Is it not mental that we should be coming 8th-12th though? Kane, Son, N'Dombele, Lloris, Hoijberg. These guys are top 4 standard. Even if the others are useless (which they are not, there are many top 6 players in the squad too), why is the sum of all our parts making us think 8th-12th is where we will be?
That said, he does have the funniest username on JA606, without question.
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comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure I’ve seen anyone say it’s acceptable. I did an article saying there at least some small positives in the intent of Nunos set up and the first half effort before the shocking capitulation. Could be classed as looking for crumbs if comfort perhaps, but certainly not an acceptance of what’s going on, far from it. I’m deeply concerned by how average and thin our squad is, how we are not creating or scoring at all, and how Nuno is largely getting it all wrong before and during games.
I think we’ll finish between 8th and 12th with no trophy as usual, and that Nuno will not be our head coach at the start of next season. There’s very little to be optimistic about right now.
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Well I have read countless comments saying we did well and can be proud of the first 45mins.
Is it not mental that we should be coming 8th-12th though? Kane, Son, N'Dombele, Lloris, Hoijberg. These guys are top 4 standard. Even if the others are useless (which they are not, there are many top 6 players in the squad too), why is the sum of all our parts making us think 8th-12th is where we will be?
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We'll finish higher than that. I'm sure of it. With Leicester and West Ham in Europe it opens things up for us. I'm expecting around 6th, maybe 5th.
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure I’ve seen anyone say it’s acceptable. I did an article saying there at least some small positives in the intent of Nunos set up and the first half effort before the shocking capitulation. Could be classed as looking for crumbs if comfort perhaps, but certainly not an acceptance of what’s going on, far from it. I’m deeply concerned by how average and thin our squad is, how we are not creating or scoring at all, and how Nuno is largely getting it all wrong before and during games.
I think we’ll finish between 8th and 12th with no trophy as usual, and that Nuno will not be our head coach at the start of next season. There’s very little to be optimistic about right now.
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This is exactly it. To think we've accepted a 0-3 result at home is absurd. Context is everything. Chelsea are exceptional. I think we can separate the loss from the first half performance and say that if this is a process, then that first 45 is a stepping stone on that path. We're not the finished article but I think we all saw moments of promise during that time.
I think too many fans coo over a result and never really analyse a performance. There was more to be positive about in yesterday's 0-3 loss, than either of the two victories over Wolves and Watford. Both of those were fortuitous moments in an otherwise uninspiring display against teams considered beneath us. The first half yesterday saw us dominate the European champions for 45 mins, albeit without creating many true clear cut chances.
There are big issues, sure, but we need to take the positives where there are some. If the OP can't see the positive parts of yesterday then that says more about his inability to analyse a game beyond the final result.
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These comments here
Nobody thinks it’s acceptable!
comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 11 minutes ago
Lack of leadership on the pitch has been a big problem for years. You need a couple of characters in your side who will believe and fight - Lamela was the last one we had like this.
It comes from the top though, as far as I am concerned all roads lead back to Levy - Some transfers are too difficult to do - some games are too difficult to win. There is a a loser mentality seeped into the club at the moment and it has to change.
Unfortunately these things usually get much worse before they get better - look at Arsenal.
Would love us to bring big Martin Jol or Harry back, that’s the sort of manager we need now, a character, someone who knows when the carrot or the stick is needed and who will get a bit of passion out of the players. If the fans see the players fighting for it then they will back them to the hilt and turn WHL back into what always used to be a cacophony noise.
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Sadly as soon as we started paying 6 figure wages we had to change as a club. We now have divas and diva agents. Dare I say...the English players seems to regress faster with higher wages. Dele, Winks and to a lesser extent Dier have all got worse since they began believing their hype and their salaries.
I dont think Harry or Jol would cope with modern footballers. This is where I think a DoF is key. Paratici can focus more on the psychology of a player not just the headlines.
It will be interesting to see what our squad looks like after 3 windows.
How is it that this was so obviously a Spurs thread without even opening it...
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How is it that this was so obviously a Spurs thread without even opening it...
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As obvious as it was that you would comment on a Spurs article, even though you are not obsessed with Spurs Rusty
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How is it that this was so obviously a Spurs thread without even opening it...
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We have to give the guy some credit. That is pretty funny.
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posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 11 minutes ago
Lack of leadership on the pitch has been a big problem for years. You need a couple of characters in your side who will believe and fight - Lamela was the last one we had like this.
It comes from the top though, as far as I am concerned all roads lead back to Levy - Some transfers are too difficult to do - some games are too difficult to win. There is a a loser mentality seeped into the club at the moment and it has to change.
Unfortunately these things usually get much worse before they get better - look at Arsenal.
Would love us to bring big Martin Jol or Harry back, that’s the sort of manager we need now, a character, someone who knows when the carrot or the stick is needed and who will get a bit of passion out of the players. If the fans see the players fighting for it then they will back them to the hilt and turn WHL back into what always used to be a cacophony noise.
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Sadly as soon as we started paying 6 figure wages we had to change as a club. We now have divas and diva agents. Dare I say...the English players seems to regress faster with higher wages. Dele, Winks and to a lesser extent Dier have all got worse since they began believing their hype and their salaries.
I dont think Harry or Jol would cope with modern footballers. This is where I think a DoF is key. Paratici can focus more on the psychology of a player not just the headlines.
It will be interesting to see what our squad looks like after 3 windows.
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You two sound like a proper pair of old timers. The good old fashioned half time rollicking is just a football relic these days. I'd be loathed to go that route.
It's jut about good players and good recruitment. It always has been. We've made some terrible decisions in the market in the last few years and it's really showing on the pitch. Every side needs characters, but more than that, they need talent. We've got a lot less than we think we do and no manager can change that.
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 27 seconds ago
Harry Redknapp and Martin Jol were sacked by Spurs 9 and 15 years ago respectively. I’ll never understand this nostalgia of wanting to get old managers or players back, Redknapp had a mare in management after us and is now in his 70’s and retired, Jol is managing in the facking Egyptian league. We should be looking forward and should’ve committed to the mantra that Levy himself laid out when he said what our plan for appointing a new coach was - Nagelsmaan was the obvious choice but when it became clear we couldn’t get him then Potter fit the bill as another Poch type appointment of an up & coming coach but we were only interested in coaches that were out of work and cheap.
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comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure I’ve seen anyone say it’s acceptable. I did an article saying there at least some small positives in the intent of Nunos set up and the first half effort before the shocking capitulation. Could be classed as looking for crumbs if comfort perhaps, but certainly not an acceptance of what’s going on, far from it. I’m deeply concerned by how average and thin our squad is, how we are not creating or scoring at all, and how Nuno is largely getting it all wrong before and during games.
I think we’ll finish between 8th and 12th with no trophy as usual, and that Nuno will not be our head coach at the start of next season. There’s very little to be optimistic about right now.
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Well I have read countless comments saying we did well and can be proud of the first 45mins.
Is it not mental that we should be coming 8th-12th though? Kane, Son, N'Dombele, Lloris, Hoijberg. These guys are top 4 standard. Even if the others are useless (which they are not, there are many top 6 players in the squad too), why is the sum of all our parts making us think 8th-12th is where we will be?
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SO after 5 games Nuno is supposed to have us playing greater than the sum of our parts. These things take time and after 18 months where we have not focussed on key parts of our game it is not a quick fix in changing that.
Yesterdays game was not a capitulation, it was just an even 45 minutes followed by Chelsea adapting, adding even more quality and upping their performance. We could not live with it.....is anyone surprised given the relative trajectory of the clubs? and this is not accepting mediocrity, this is acknowledging the circumstances of each club. They are in a different place right now. I had many greater concerns from our Palace game than this one.
Why do people view or current situation any different from when Poch arrived. Poor time under AVB, a slightly crazy period under caretaker Sherwood, then Poch steps in and starts to move us forward.
After his 5 games we had 7 points. Judge Poch at that point?
The more important tests will come and the NLD is a massive one for us on many levels, not least because Arsenal could well be in the mix with us in the top 6.
People need to reign in expectations and judge from a more realistic and considered starting point. This is not to accept mediocrity but to understand you do not go from being poorly managed and average to well-oiled winning machine over night.
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comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure I’ve seen anyone say it’s acceptable. I did an article saying there at least some small positives in the intent of Nunos set up and the first half effort before the shocking capitulation. Could be classed as looking for crumbs if comfort perhaps, but certainly not an acceptance of what’s going on, far from it. I’m deeply concerned by how average and thin our squad is, how we are not creating or scoring at all, and how Nuno is largely getting it all wrong before and during games.
I think we’ll finish between 8th and 12th with no trophy as usual, and that Nuno will not be our head coach at the start of next season. There’s very little to be optimistic about right now.
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Well I have read countless comments saying we did well and can be proud of the first 45mins.
Is it not mental that we should be coming 8th-12th though? Kane, Son, N'Dombele, Lloris, Hoijberg. These guys are top 4 standard. Even if the others are useless (which they are not, there are many top 6 players in the squad too), why is the sum of all our parts making us think 8th-12th is where we will be?
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SO after 5 games Nuno is supposed to have us playing greater than the sum of our parts. These things take time and after 18 months where we have not focussed on key parts of our game it is not a quick fix in changing that.
Yesterdays game was not a capitulation, it was just an even 45 minutes followed by Chelsea adapting, adding even more quality and upping their performance. We could not live with it.....is anyone surprised given the relative trajectory of the clubs? and this is not accepting mediocrity, this is acknowledging the circumstances of each club. They are in a different place right now. I had many greater concerns from our Palace game than this one.
Why do people view or current situation any different from when Poch arrived. Poor time under AVB, a slightly crazy period under caretaker Sherwood, then Poch steps in and starts to move us forward.
After his 5 games we had 7 points. Judge Poch at that point?
The more important tests will come and the NLD is a massive one for us on many levels, not least because Arsenal could well be in the mix with us in the top 6.
People need to reign in expectations and judge from a more realistic and considered starting point. This is not to accept mediocrity but to understand you do not go from being poorly managed and average to well-oiled winning machine over night.
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All of that is correct and it's as much about pulling the positives from the attacking first half intent with what we'd all consider to be a great team sheet. The Palace game was as depressing for the lack of ambition in playing with three holding as it was the overall 3-0 defeat.
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We have to give the guy some credit. That is pretty funny.
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If you liked that then I have a few knock knock jokes that you are going to love
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 20 minutes ago
Harry Redknapp and Martin Jol were sacked by Spurs 9 and 15 years ago respectively. I’ll never understand this nostalgia of wanting to get old managers or players back, Redknapp had a mare in management after us and is now in his 70’s and retired, Jol is managing in the facking Egyptian league. We should be looking forward and should’ve committed to the mantra that Levy himself laid out when he said what our plan for appointing a new coach was - Nagelsmaan was the obvious choice but when it became clear we couldn’t get him then Potter fit the bill as another Poch type appointment of an up & coming coach but we were only interested in coaches that were out of work and cheap.
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I don’t want them back specifically, I want that style whilst we are back in a rebuilding stage. I want some passion, some minerals and some entertainment. We knew we were getting done yesterday pre kick off and we know that we won’t get more than a draw at Arsenal. We will go half strength at Wolves and get done. We will labour to a 2-0 win over Mura and then get a cagey 1-0 win at home to Villa.
It’s boring and predictable, whereas Jol and Harry always entertained and always went for it even against the big boys, that’s how we got into the CL first time - back to back wins at home to the Arsee and Chelsea
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comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 27 seconds ago
Harry Redknapp and Martin Jol were sacked by Spurs 9 and 15 years ago respectively. I’ll never understand this nostalgia of wanting to get old managers or players back, Redknapp had a mare in management after us and is now in his 70’s and retired, Jol is managing in the facking Egyptian league. We should be looking forward and should’ve committed to the mantra that Levy himself laid out when he said what our plan for appointing a new coach was - Nagelsmaan was the obvious choice but when it became clear we couldn’t get him then Potter fit the bill as another Poch type appointment of an up & coming coach but we were only interested in coaches that were out of work and cheap.
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Thats the long and short of it levy wants champagne football on a rola-cola budget.
Reading through a few articles and I am shocked by how many fans are happy to accept a 0-3 drumming at home simply because we played well for 45mins. The game is 90mins! Unbelievable. Chelsea are not going to win every game 3-0 - other teams with weaker players will put up more of a fight.
How has it got so bad that we are now ok with this?
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any realistic fan knows that we are light years behind chelsea at the moment. there is also very little we can do about it at this precise moment in time, so we have no choice but to accept it. however, the main worry for most spurs fans seems to have been the negative line ups and style and at least for 45 mins we named a positive side and played with some intent to actually have the ball and press.
Nuno now needs to work on making that 45mins last 90 mins... we will need a higher fitness level to start with...
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posted on 20/9/21
The players generally mirror the fans. A few already consigned themselves to a loss.
Some fans don't see conference league as a priority then are shocked when players behave the same way.
Some fans already think Nuno isn't good enough yet have no better options that are available, then are shocked when players don't listen to instructions or give 100%
Some fans think Arsenal will beat us before we have even played the game and I bet there are some players that will mirror this also.
In short Nuno needs to get rid of any players that think of behave like some defeatist fans.
posted on 20/9/21
Some fans don't see conference league as a priority then are shocked when players behave the same way.
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posted on 20/9/21
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 22 minutes ago
The players generally mirror the fans. A few already consigned themselves to a loss.
Some fans don't see conference league as a priority then are shocked when players behave the same way.
Some fans already think Nuno isn't good enough yet have no better options that are available, then are shocked when players don't listen to instructions or give 100%
Some fans think Arsenal will beat us before we have even played the game and I bet there are some players that will mirror this also.
In short Nuno needs to get rid of any players that think of behave like some defeatist fans.
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This is a very interesting way at looking at it. Really well put
posted on 20/9/21
Lack of leadership on the pitch has been a big problem for years. You need a couple of characters in your side who will believe and fight - Lamela was the last one we had like this.
It comes from the top though, as far as I am concerned all roads lead back to Levy - Some transfers are too difficult to do - some games are too difficult to win. There is a a loser mentality seeped into the club at the moment and it has to change.
Unfortunately these things usually get much worse before they get better - look at Arsenal.
Would love us to bring big Martin Jol or Harry back, that’s the sort of manager we need now, a character, someone who knows when the carrot or the stick is needed and who will get a bit of passion out of the players. If the fans see the players fighting for it then they will back them to the hilt and turn WHL back into what always used to be a cacophony noise.
posted on 20/9/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure I’ve seen anyone say it’s acceptable. I did an article saying there at least some small positives in the intent of Nunos set up and the first half effort before the shocking capitulation. Could be classed as looking for crumbs if comfort perhaps, but certainly not an acceptance of what’s going on, far from it. I’m deeply concerned by how average and thin our squad is, how we are not creating or scoring at all, and how Nuno is largely getting it all wrong before and during games.
I think we’ll finish between 8th and 12th with no trophy as usual, and that Nuno will not be our head coach at the start of next season. There’s very little to be optimistic about right now.
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This is exactly it. To think we've accepted a 0-3 result at home is absurd. Context is everything. Chelsea are exceptional. I think we can separate the loss from the first half performance and say that if this is a process, then that first 45 is a stepping stone on that path. We're not the finished article but I think we all saw moments of promise during that time.
I think too many fans coo over a result and never really analyse a performance. There was more to be positive about in yesterday's 0-3 loss, than either of the two victories over Wolves and Watford. Both of those were fortuitous moments in an otherwise uninspiring display against teams considered beneath us. The first half yesterday saw us dominate the European champions for 45 mins, albeit without creating many true clear cut chances.
There are big issues, sure, but we need to take the positives where there are some. If the OP can't see the positive parts of yesterday then that says more about his inability to analyse a game beyond the final result.
posted on 20/9/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure I’ve seen anyone say it’s acceptable. I did an article saying there at least some small positives in the intent of Nunos set up and the first half effort before the shocking capitulation. Could be classed as looking for crumbs if comfort perhaps, but certainly not an acceptance of what’s going on, far from it. I’m deeply concerned by how average and thin our squad is, how we are not creating or scoring at all, and how Nuno is largely getting it all wrong before and during games.
I think we’ll finish between 8th and 12th with no trophy as usual, and that Nuno will not be our head coach at the start of next season. There’s very little to be optimistic about right now.
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Well I have read countless comments saying we did well and can be proud of the first 45mins.
Is it not mental that we should be coming 8th-12th though? Kane, Son, N'Dombele, Lloris, Hoijberg. These guys are top 4 standard. Even if the others are useless (which they are not, there are many top 6 players in the squad too), why is the sum of all our parts making us think 8th-12th is where we will be?
posted on 20/9/21
That said, he does have the funniest username on JA606, without question.
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comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure I’ve seen anyone say it’s acceptable. I did an article saying there at least some small positives in the intent of Nunos set up and the first half effort before the shocking capitulation. Could be classed as looking for crumbs if comfort perhaps, but certainly not an acceptance of what’s going on, far from it. I’m deeply concerned by how average and thin our squad is, how we are not creating or scoring at all, and how Nuno is largely getting it all wrong before and during games.
I think we’ll finish between 8th and 12th with no trophy as usual, and that Nuno will not be our head coach at the start of next season. There’s very little to be optimistic about right now.
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Well I have read countless comments saying we did well and can be proud of the first 45mins.
Is it not mental that we should be coming 8th-12th though? Kane, Son, N'Dombele, Lloris, Hoijberg. These guys are top 4 standard. Even if the others are useless (which they are not, there are many top 6 players in the squad too), why is the sum of all our parts making us think 8th-12th is where we will be?
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We'll finish higher than that. I'm sure of it. With Leicester and West Ham in Europe it opens things up for us. I'm expecting around 6th, maybe 5th.
posted on 20/9/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure I’ve seen anyone say it’s acceptable. I did an article saying there at least some small positives in the intent of Nunos set up and the first half effort before the shocking capitulation. Could be classed as looking for crumbs if comfort perhaps, but certainly not an acceptance of what’s going on, far from it. I’m deeply concerned by how average and thin our squad is, how we are not creating or scoring at all, and how Nuno is largely getting it all wrong before and during games.
I think we’ll finish between 8th and 12th with no trophy as usual, and that Nuno will not be our head coach at the start of next season. There’s very little to be optimistic about right now.
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This is exactly it. To think we've accepted a 0-3 result at home is absurd. Context is everything. Chelsea are exceptional. I think we can separate the loss from the first half performance and say that if this is a process, then that first 45 is a stepping stone on that path. We're not the finished article but I think we all saw moments of promise during that time.
I think too many fans coo over a result and never really analyse a performance. There was more to be positive about in yesterday's 0-3 loss, than either of the two victories over Wolves and Watford. Both of those were fortuitous moments in an otherwise uninspiring display against teams considered beneath us. The first half yesterday saw us dominate the European champions for 45 mins, albeit without creating many true clear cut chances.
There are big issues, sure, but we need to take the positives where there are some. If the OP can't see the positive parts of yesterday then that says more about his inability to analyse a game beyond the final result.
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posted on 20/9/21
Nobody thinks it’s acceptable!
posted on 20/9/21
comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 11 minutes ago
Lack of leadership on the pitch has been a big problem for years. You need a couple of characters in your side who will believe and fight - Lamela was the last one we had like this.
It comes from the top though, as far as I am concerned all roads lead back to Levy - Some transfers are too difficult to do - some games are too difficult to win. There is a a loser mentality seeped into the club at the moment and it has to change.
Unfortunately these things usually get much worse before they get better - look at Arsenal.
Would love us to bring big Martin Jol or Harry back, that’s the sort of manager we need now, a character, someone who knows when the carrot or the stick is needed and who will get a bit of passion out of the players. If the fans see the players fighting for it then they will back them to the hilt and turn WHL back into what always used to be a cacophony noise.
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Sadly as soon as we started paying 6 figure wages we had to change as a club. We now have divas and diva agents. Dare I say...the English players seems to regress faster with higher wages. Dele, Winks and to a lesser extent Dier have all got worse since they began believing their hype and their salaries.
I dont think Harry or Jol would cope with modern footballers. This is where I think a DoF is key. Paratici can focus more on the psychology of a player not just the headlines.
It will be interesting to see what our squad looks like after 3 windows.
posted on 20/9/21
How is it that this was so obviously a Spurs thread without even opening it...
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How is it that this was so obviously a Spurs thread without even opening it...
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As obvious as it was that you would comment on a Spurs article, even though you are not obsessed with Spurs Rusty
posted on 20/9/21
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How is it that this was so obviously a Spurs thread without even opening it...
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We have to give the guy some credit. That is pretty funny.
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posted on 20/9/21
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 11 minutes ago
Lack of leadership on the pitch has been a big problem for years. You need a couple of characters in your side who will believe and fight - Lamela was the last one we had like this.
It comes from the top though, as far as I am concerned all roads lead back to Levy - Some transfers are too difficult to do - some games are too difficult to win. There is a a loser mentality seeped into the club at the moment and it has to change.
Unfortunately these things usually get much worse before they get better - look at Arsenal.
Would love us to bring big Martin Jol or Harry back, that’s the sort of manager we need now, a character, someone who knows when the carrot or the stick is needed and who will get a bit of passion out of the players. If the fans see the players fighting for it then they will back them to the hilt and turn WHL back into what always used to be a cacophony noise.
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Sadly as soon as we started paying 6 figure wages we had to change as a club. We now have divas and diva agents. Dare I say...the English players seems to regress faster with higher wages. Dele, Winks and to a lesser extent Dier have all got worse since they began believing their hype and their salaries.
I dont think Harry or Jol would cope with modern footballers. This is where I think a DoF is key. Paratici can focus more on the psychology of a player not just the headlines.
It will be interesting to see what our squad looks like after 3 windows.
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You two sound like a proper pair of old timers. The good old fashioned half time rollicking is just a football relic these days. I'd be loathed to go that route.
It's jut about good players and good recruitment. It always has been. We've made some terrible decisions in the market in the last few years and it's really showing on the pitch. Every side needs characters, but more than that, they need talent. We've got a lot less than we think we do and no manager can change that.
posted on 20/9/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 27 seconds ago
Harry Redknapp and Martin Jol were sacked by Spurs 9 and 15 years ago respectively. I’ll never understand this nostalgia of wanting to get old managers or players back, Redknapp had a mare in management after us and is now in his 70’s and retired, Jol is managing in the facking Egyptian league. We should be looking forward and should’ve committed to the mantra that Levy himself laid out when he said what our plan for appointing a new coach was - Nagelsmaan was the obvious choice but when it became clear we couldn’t get him then Potter fit the bill as another Poch type appointment of an up & coming coach but we were only interested in coaches that were out of work and cheap.
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posted on 20/9/21
comment by Anne is ruled out on medical grounds (U8366)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure I’ve seen anyone say it’s acceptable. I did an article saying there at least some small positives in the intent of Nunos set up and the first half effort before the shocking capitulation. Could be classed as looking for crumbs if comfort perhaps, but certainly not an acceptance of what’s going on, far from it. I’m deeply concerned by how average and thin our squad is, how we are not creating or scoring at all, and how Nuno is largely getting it all wrong before and during games.
I think we’ll finish between 8th and 12th with no trophy as usual, and that Nuno will not be our head coach at the start of next season. There’s very little to be optimistic about right now.
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Well I have read countless comments saying we did well and can be proud of the first 45mins.
Is it not mental that we should be coming 8th-12th though? Kane, Son, N'Dombele, Lloris, Hoijberg. These guys are top 4 standard. Even if the others are useless (which they are not, there are many top 6 players in the squad too), why is the sum of all our parts making us think 8th-12th is where we will be?
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SO after 5 games Nuno is supposed to have us playing greater than the sum of our parts. These things take time and after 18 months where we have not focussed on key parts of our game it is not a quick fix in changing that.
Yesterdays game was not a capitulation, it was just an even 45 minutes followed by Chelsea adapting, adding even more quality and upping their performance. We could not live with it.....is anyone surprised given the relative trajectory of the clubs? and this is not accepting mediocrity, this is acknowledging the circumstances of each club. They are in a different place right now. I had many greater concerns from our Palace game than this one.
Why do people view or current situation any different from when Poch arrived. Poor time under AVB, a slightly crazy period under caretaker Sherwood, then Poch steps in and starts to move us forward.
After his 5 games we had 7 points. Judge Poch at that point?
The more important tests will come and the NLD is a massive one for us on many levels, not least because Arsenal could well be in the mix with us in the top 6.
People need to reign in expectations and judge from a more realistic and considered starting point. This is not to accept mediocrity but to understand you do not go from being poorly managed and average to well-oiled winning machine over night.
posted on 20/9/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Anne is ruled out on medical grounds (U8366)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure I’ve seen anyone say it’s acceptable. I did an article saying there at least some small positives in the intent of Nunos set up and the first half effort before the shocking capitulation. Could be classed as looking for crumbs if comfort perhaps, but certainly not an acceptance of what’s going on, far from it. I’m deeply concerned by how average and thin our squad is, how we are not creating or scoring at all, and how Nuno is largely getting it all wrong before and during games.
I think we’ll finish between 8th and 12th with no trophy as usual, and that Nuno will not be our head coach at the start of next season. There’s very little to be optimistic about right now.
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Well I have read countless comments saying we did well and can be proud of the first 45mins.
Is it not mental that we should be coming 8th-12th though? Kane, Son, N'Dombele, Lloris, Hoijberg. These guys are top 4 standard. Even if the others are useless (which they are not, there are many top 6 players in the squad too), why is the sum of all our parts making us think 8th-12th is where we will be?
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SO after 5 games Nuno is supposed to have us playing greater than the sum of our parts. These things take time and after 18 months where we have not focussed on key parts of our game it is not a quick fix in changing that.
Yesterdays game was not a capitulation, it was just an even 45 minutes followed by Chelsea adapting, adding even more quality and upping their performance. We could not live with it.....is anyone surprised given the relative trajectory of the clubs? and this is not accepting mediocrity, this is acknowledging the circumstances of each club. They are in a different place right now. I had many greater concerns from our Palace game than this one.
Why do people view or current situation any different from when Poch arrived. Poor time under AVB, a slightly crazy period under caretaker Sherwood, then Poch steps in and starts to move us forward.
After his 5 games we had 7 points. Judge Poch at that point?
The more important tests will come and the NLD is a massive one for us on many levels, not least because Arsenal could well be in the mix with us in the top 6.
People need to reign in expectations and judge from a more realistic and considered starting point. This is not to accept mediocrity but to understand you do not go from being poorly managed and average to well-oiled winning machine over night.
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All of that is correct and it's as much about pulling the positives from the attacking first half intent with what we'd all consider to be a great team sheet. The Palace game was as depressing for the lack of ambition in playing with three holding as it was the overall 3-0 defeat.
posted on 20/9/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 6 minutes ago
How is it that this was so obviously a Spurs thread without even opening it...
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We have to give the guy some credit. That is pretty funny.
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If you liked that then I have a few knock knock jokes that you are going to love
posted on 20/9/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 20 minutes ago
Harry Redknapp and Martin Jol were sacked by Spurs 9 and 15 years ago respectively. I’ll never understand this nostalgia of wanting to get old managers or players back, Redknapp had a mare in management after us and is now in his 70’s and retired, Jol is managing in the facking Egyptian league. We should be looking forward and should’ve committed to the mantra that Levy himself laid out when he said what our plan for appointing a new coach was - Nagelsmaan was the obvious choice but when it became clear we couldn’t get him then Potter fit the bill as another Poch type appointment of an up & coming coach but we were only interested in coaches that were out of work and cheap.
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I don’t want them back specifically, I want that style whilst we are back in a rebuilding stage. I want some passion, some minerals and some entertainment. We knew we were getting done yesterday pre kick off and we know that we won’t get more than a draw at Arsenal. We will go half strength at Wolves and get done. We will labour to a 2-0 win over Mura and then get a cagey 1-0 win at home to Villa.
It’s boring and predictable, whereas Jol and Harry always entertained and always went for it even against the big boys, that’s how we got into the CL first time - back to back wins at home to the Arsee and Chelsea
posted on 20/9/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 27 seconds ago
Harry Redknapp and Martin Jol were sacked by Spurs 9 and 15 years ago respectively. I’ll never understand this nostalgia of wanting to get old managers or players back, Redknapp had a mare in management after us and is now in his 70’s and retired, Jol is managing in the facking Egyptian league. We should be looking forward and should’ve committed to the mantra that Levy himself laid out when he said what our plan for appointing a new coach was - Nagelsmaan was the obvious choice but when it became clear we couldn’t get him then Potter fit the bill as another Poch type appointment of an up & coming coach but we were only interested in coaches that were out of work and cheap.
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Thats the long and short of it levy wants champagne football on a rola-cola budget.
posted on 20/9/21
Reading through a few articles and I am shocked by how many fans are happy to accept a 0-3 drumming at home simply because we played well for 45mins. The game is 90mins! Unbelievable. Chelsea are not going to win every game 3-0 - other teams with weaker players will put up more of a fight.
How has it got so bad that we are now ok with this?
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any realistic fan knows that we are light years behind chelsea at the moment. there is also very little we can do about it at this precise moment in time, so we have no choice but to accept it. however, the main worry for most spurs fans seems to have been the negative line ups and style and at least for 45 mins we named a positive side and played with some intent to actually have the ball and press.
Nuno now needs to work on making that 45mins last 90 mins... we will need a higher fitness level to start with...
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