comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
I wasnt even raging last night at our black players being targetted. Knowing the age of the crowd there it was incredibly sad and perhaps it does make you reflect on the way our kids are brought up and their views in regards to sectarianism.
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Just need to see the amount of weans in the bands etc last Saturday to see it’s ingrained.
There’s got to have been clear plans and directions from people last night to tell they kids too boo Kamara.
Embarrassing.
it's mental how their racism is bad but ours is ok is an attitude in scotland.
i've seen rangers fans racially abuse sinclair and others and it was only a few, i haven't seen player specifically targeted for being black outwith this, edouard was never booed despite his threat.
It wasn't that kyogo was a threat, it was that rangers name was being dragged through the mud and rather than go for the wrongdoers and support the victim rangers fans doubled down and played a blame game via booing.
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago
it's mental how their racism is bad but ours is ok is an attitude in scotland.
i've seen rangers fans racially abuse sinclair and others and it was only a few, i haven't seen player specifically targeted for being black outwith this, edouard was never booed despite his threat.
It wasn't that kyogo was a threat, it was that rangers name was being dragged through the mud and rather than go for the wrongdoers and support the victim rangers fans doubled down and played a blame game via booing.
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I know its easy to say and easy for you to not believe, maybe its the circles I run in/ But I hvaent heard one single rangers fan defend the racist idiots on camera. Everyone I have spoken to thinks they are idiots/phannies who only damage the rep of the club, and I can only give the reason why I was vocal about him during the old fim.
I cant make you believe me
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 6 minutes ago
it's mental how their racism is bad but ours is ok is an attitude in scotland.
i've seen rangers fans racially abuse sinclair and others and it was only a few, i haven't seen player specifically targeted for being black outwith this, edouard was never booed despite his threat.
It wasn't that kyogo was a threat, it was that rangers name was being dragged through the mud and rather than go for the wrongdoers and support the victim rangers fans doubled down and played a blame game via booing.
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I can see that point and I do think that some would have booed him for that reason.
Not all though for me given the very large majority of fans who rightly called the abuse out.
I think there is a difference also with respect to the Kyogo and Kamara situations.
Rangers banned the perpetrators immediately as well as the supporters bus/club they were on.
Slavia went full on denial and even went on the attack.
Quite a fundamental difference IMHO.
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 9 minutes ago
it's mental how their racism is bad but ours is ok is an attitude in scotland.
i've seen rangers fans racially abuse sinclair and others and it was only a few, i haven't seen player specifically targeted for being black outwith this, edouard was never booed despite his threat.
It wasn't that kyogo was a threat, it was that rangers name was being dragged through the mud and rather than go for the wrongdoers and support the victim rangers fans doubled down and played a blame game via booing.
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Think there needs to be some context applied here. Any and all racist incidents are wrong, I'm just not sure one guy making a gesture behind a goal towards Sinclair is in any way representative of a support of 50k at the game, any more than a few drunk morons on a bus are representative.
If you want an idea of how Rangers fans feel about racism pay attention to the widespread applause the players get when they take the knee.
In terms of Kygo I wasn't at the game but given I've heard Larsson, Di Canio, McStay and various others get booed over the years I'm going to assume it was more down to the fact he was your only dangerous player and with a view to putting him off. The same way as I've heard us boo Messi, Riquelme, Veron, Giggs, Ortega and various other top players who have come to Ibrox over the years.
I'm just not sure one guy making a gesture behind a goal towards Sinclair is in any way representative of a support of 50k at the game, any more than a few drunk morons on a bus are representative.
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thats my point smid, i havent seen consistent racial abuse directed towards players from rangers fans, nor have i seen our best players booed on the basis they might hurt rangers, i'm calling that out as nonsense.
Kyogo imo was targeted because it was deemed his fault that the clubs name was being dragged through the mud, how dare he.
There is an inconsistency in scottish football and i get the point re taking the knee and the support it shows, thats fair.
however, i know many rangers fans who aren't necessarily bigots or sectarian but will happily go along and enjoy a "sing song" with some questionable wee tunes.
if we are going to tackle this head on then there has to be an acceptance that "boooo!!!!! canny believe they done that!" isn't met with "well thats different because..." when it applies to their club.
Its not different. You won't hear me make any excuses for any racial behaviour, I'm just not sure a star player getting booed is evidence of racism given several players star players at previous clubs have been booed.
It's also inconsistent with the reaction to that incident where the support widely condemned it and backed the idiots being banned. There hadn't been any evidence of bitterness towards Kyogo for the incident.
I don't believe for one second he would be booed without the previous weeks incident smid.
I didn't see edouard get this, i didn't see hooper get this.
I don't think kyogo gets it otherwise.
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I remember David Beckham got booed at Ibrox during a friendly with AC Milan.
There was pretty much the same amount of people cheering him - though those voices were of the more feminine variety.
IMHO he was booed through jealousy primarily
There's a fair amount of Rangers player who get booed when they play for Scotland also.
comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 22 seconds ago
100% anyone who reckons Kyogo wasn't getting it tight becuase he is Japanese and the previous week is in utter denial.
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Unfortunately this is 100% correct
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 22 seconds ago
100% anyone who reckons Kyogo wasn't getting it tight becuase he is Japanese and the previous week is in utter denial.
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Unfortunately this is 100% correct
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It really isn't
There is no way all of those who booed him were doing so because he is Japanese.
Some? - yes
All? - no
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comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 3 minutes ago
I suppose Ki-Su Yung got all the dug eating stuff as he was a special talent, gtf honestly.
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you cant compare historical events to todays standards..... if so then where do you cross line? Mark Walters etc...
Like others have said will some of those views be from racists or at least racial, yeah course it would only a moon would deny it. But the majority of the boos (mine included were not because he was from Japan).
comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 11 minutes ago
100% anyone who reckons Kyogo wasn't getting it tight becuase he is Japanese and the previous week is in utter denial.
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Absolute bullsheidt.
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I was hoping this article wouldn't go down the 'whitabootery' route.
My main issue I am taking aim at is UEFA and it's inability to properly deal with racism.
FFS - It is abundantly clear that Eastern European teams (it's not just a couple either) have major issues with black people yet always seem to turn a blind eye as it's all about the money.
Your team's supporters boo an ethnic minority player = good.
Other team's supporters boo an ethnic minority player = bad.
That cover it?
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comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 6 minutes ago
I suppose Ki-Su Yung got all the dug eating stuff as he was a special talent, gtf honestly.
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Of course not.
That was 100% racism - same with the boys on the bus with the Kyogo stuff.
It's a difficult topic to discuss, passion gets high, etc. There has to be space for nuance
Was everyone celtic fan who gave Shay Logan dogs abuse doing it because of the colour of his skin?
Not for me not by a long shot.
Was Scott Brown booed for the colour of his skin as well?
I'm struggling to understand the logic, there are Rangers fans on this forum literally admitting booing him because he was your biggest threat and highlighting various players over the years who have had the same treatment.
If we're going on the logic that it's racism then Morelos must have been racially abused by every group of fans in the country given he gets it everywhere he goes.
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 25 seconds ago
Was Scott Brown booed for the colour of his skin as well?
I'm struggling to understand the logic, there are Rangers fans on this forum literally admitting booing him because he was your biggest threat and highlighting various players over the years who have had the same treatment.
If we're going on the logic that it's racism then Morelos must have been racially abused by every group of fans in the country given he gets it everywhere he goes.
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Nail on the head.
Have a read
https://mobile.twitter.com/ACSparta_CZ/status/1443890276213350402
comment by #55 Has Ruined Them! (U22266)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 minute ago
imo letting the kids in seemed like a decent move, you don't expect that behaviour at that level from kids.
what is has done has further highlighted the issues in some of these countries in regards to racism even further, thats really shone a light on the problem.
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JFK - it seems to be an inherent problem in Eastern Europe. I'm not sure if this is a 'hangover' from the days of Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, et al, but it's definitely a problem over there.
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What an absurd comment.
Easter Europ doesn't have anywhere near the levels of multiculturalism than we do here in the UK.
Multiculturalism tends to reduce racism (not always the case). Why do you think that racism exists more in rural country areas here than the city?
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by #55 Has Ruined Them! (U22266)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 minute ago
imo letting the kids in seemed like a decent move, you don't expect that behaviour at that level from kids.
what is has done has further highlighted the issues in some of these countries in regards to racism even further, thats really shone a light on the problem.
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JFK - it seems to be an inherent problem in Eastern Europe. I'm not sure if this is a 'hangover' from the days of Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, et al, but it's definitely a problem over there.
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What an absurd comment.
Easter Europ doesn't have anywhere near the levels of multiculturalism than we do here in the UK.
Multiculturalism tends to reduce racism (not always the case). Why do you think that racism exists more in rural country areas here than the city?
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It's pretty evident from fixtures during the last 5 or so years that there is a clear racism issue in that part of the world.
To suggest otherwise is frankly just disengenous.
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posted on 1/10/21
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
I wasnt even raging last night at our black players being targetted. Knowing the age of the crowd there it was incredibly sad and perhaps it does make you reflect on the way our kids are brought up and their views in regards to sectarianism.
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Just need to see the amount of weans in the bands etc last Saturday to see it’s ingrained.
There’s got to have been clear plans and directions from people last night to tell they kids too boo Kamara.
Embarrassing.
posted on 1/10/21
it's mental how their racism is bad but ours is ok is an attitude in scotland.
i've seen rangers fans racially abuse sinclair and others and it was only a few, i haven't seen player specifically targeted for being black outwith this, edouard was never booed despite his threat.
It wasn't that kyogo was a threat, it was that rangers name was being dragged through the mud and rather than go for the wrongdoers and support the victim rangers fans doubled down and played a blame game via booing.
posted on 1/10/21
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago
it's mental how their racism is bad but ours is ok is an attitude in scotland.
i've seen rangers fans racially abuse sinclair and others and it was only a few, i haven't seen player specifically targeted for being black outwith this, edouard was never booed despite his threat.
It wasn't that kyogo was a threat, it was that rangers name was being dragged through the mud and rather than go for the wrongdoers and support the victim rangers fans doubled down and played a blame game via booing.
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I know its easy to say and easy for you to not believe, maybe its the circles I run in/ But I hvaent heard one single rangers fan defend the racist idiots on camera. Everyone I have spoken to thinks they are idiots/phannies who only damage the rep of the club, and I can only give the reason why I was vocal about him during the old fim.
I cant make you believe me
posted on 1/10/21
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 6 minutes ago
it's mental how their racism is bad but ours is ok is an attitude in scotland.
i've seen rangers fans racially abuse sinclair and others and it was only a few, i haven't seen player specifically targeted for being black outwith this, edouard was never booed despite his threat.
It wasn't that kyogo was a threat, it was that rangers name was being dragged through the mud and rather than go for the wrongdoers and support the victim rangers fans doubled down and played a blame game via booing.
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I can see that point and I do think that some would have booed him for that reason.
Not all though for me given the very large majority of fans who rightly called the abuse out.
I think there is a difference also with respect to the Kyogo and Kamara situations.
Rangers banned the perpetrators immediately as well as the supporters bus/club they were on.
Slavia went full on denial and even went on the attack.
Quite a fundamental difference IMHO.
posted on 1/10/21
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 9 minutes ago
it's mental how their racism is bad but ours is ok is an attitude in scotland.
i've seen rangers fans racially abuse sinclair and others and it was only a few, i haven't seen player specifically targeted for being black outwith this, edouard was never booed despite his threat.
It wasn't that kyogo was a threat, it was that rangers name was being dragged through the mud and rather than go for the wrongdoers and support the victim rangers fans doubled down and played a blame game via booing.
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Think there needs to be some context applied here. Any and all racist incidents are wrong, I'm just not sure one guy making a gesture behind a goal towards Sinclair is in any way representative of a support of 50k at the game, any more than a few drunk morons on a bus are representative.
If you want an idea of how Rangers fans feel about racism pay attention to the widespread applause the players get when they take the knee.
In terms of Kygo I wasn't at the game but given I've heard Larsson, Di Canio, McStay and various others get booed over the years I'm going to assume it was more down to the fact he was your only dangerous player and with a view to putting him off. The same way as I've heard us boo Messi, Riquelme, Veron, Giggs, Ortega and various other top players who have come to Ibrox over the years.
posted on 1/10/21
I'm just not sure one guy making a gesture behind a goal towards Sinclair is in any way representative of a support of 50k at the game, any more than a few drunk morons on a bus are representative.
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thats my point smid, i havent seen consistent racial abuse directed towards players from rangers fans, nor have i seen our best players booed on the basis they might hurt rangers, i'm calling that out as nonsense.
Kyogo imo was targeted because it was deemed his fault that the clubs name was being dragged through the mud, how dare he.
There is an inconsistency in scottish football and i get the point re taking the knee and the support it shows, thats fair.
however, i know many rangers fans who aren't necessarily bigots or sectarian but will happily go along and enjoy a "sing song" with some questionable wee tunes.
if we are going to tackle this head on then there has to be an acceptance that "boooo!!!!! canny believe they done that!" isn't met with "well thats different because..." when it applies to their club.
posted on 1/10/21
Its not different. You won't hear me make any excuses for any racial behaviour, I'm just not sure a star player getting booed is evidence of racism given several players star players at previous clubs have been booed.
It's also inconsistent with the reaction to that incident where the support widely condemned it and backed the idiots being banned. There hadn't been any evidence of bitterness towards Kyogo for the incident.
posted on 1/10/21
I don't believe for one second he would be booed without the previous weeks incident smid.
I didn't see edouard get this, i didn't see hooper get this.
I don't think kyogo gets it otherwise.
posted on 1/10/21
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posted on 1/10/21
I remember David Beckham got booed at Ibrox during a friendly with AC Milan.
There was pretty much the same amount of people cheering him - though those voices were of the more feminine variety.
IMHO he was booed through jealousy primarily
There's a fair amount of Rangers player who get booed when they play for Scotland also.
posted on 1/10/21
comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 22 seconds ago
100% anyone who reckons Kyogo wasn't getting it tight becuase he is Japanese and the previous week is in utter denial.
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Unfortunately this is 100% correct
posted on 1/10/21
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 22 seconds ago
100% anyone who reckons Kyogo wasn't getting it tight becuase he is Japanese and the previous week is in utter denial.
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Unfortunately this is 100% correct
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It really isn't
There is no way all of those who booed him were doing so because he is Japanese.
Some? - yes
All? - no
posted on 1/10/21
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posted on 1/10/21
comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 3 minutes ago
I suppose Ki-Su Yung got all the dug eating stuff as he was a special talent, gtf honestly.
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you cant compare historical events to todays standards..... if so then where do you cross line? Mark Walters etc...
Like others have said will some of those views be from racists or at least racial, yeah course it would only a moon would deny it. But the majority of the boos (mine included were not because he was from Japan).
posted on 1/10/21
comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 11 minutes ago
100% anyone who reckons Kyogo wasn't getting it tight becuase he is Japanese and the previous week is in utter denial.
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Absolute bullsheidt.
posted on 1/10/21
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posted on 1/10/21
I was hoping this article wouldn't go down the 'whitabootery' route.
My main issue I am taking aim at is UEFA and it's inability to properly deal with racism.
FFS - It is abundantly clear that Eastern European teams (it's not just a couple either) have major issues with black people yet always seem to turn a blind eye as it's all about the money.
posted on 1/10/21
Your team's supporters boo an ethnic minority player = good.
Other team's supporters boo an ethnic minority player = bad.
That cover it?
posted on 1/10/21
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posted on 1/10/21
comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 6 minutes ago
I suppose Ki-Su Yung got all the dug eating stuff as he was a special talent, gtf honestly.
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Of course not.
That was 100% racism - same with the boys on the bus with the Kyogo stuff.
It's a difficult topic to discuss, passion gets high, etc. There has to be space for nuance
Was everyone celtic fan who gave Shay Logan dogs abuse doing it because of the colour of his skin?
Not for me not by a long shot.
posted on 1/10/21
Was Scott Brown booed for the colour of his skin as well?
I'm struggling to understand the logic, there are Rangers fans on this forum literally admitting booing him because he was your biggest threat and highlighting various players over the years who have had the same treatment.
If we're going on the logic that it's racism then Morelos must have been racially abused by every group of fans in the country given he gets it everywhere he goes.
posted on 1/10/21
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 25 seconds ago
Was Scott Brown booed for the colour of his skin as well?
I'm struggling to understand the logic, there are Rangers fans on this forum literally admitting booing him because he was your biggest threat and highlighting various players over the years who have had the same treatment.
If we're going on the logic that it's racism then Morelos must have been racially abused by every group of fans in the country given he gets it everywhere he goes.
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Nail on the head.
posted on 1/10/21
Have a read
https://mobile.twitter.com/ACSparta_CZ/status/1443890276213350402
posted on 1/10/21
comment by #55 Has Ruined Them! (U22266)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 minute ago
imo letting the kids in seemed like a decent move, you don't expect that behaviour at that level from kids.
what is has done has further highlighted the issues in some of these countries in regards to racism even further, thats really shone a light on the problem.
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JFK - it seems to be an inherent problem in Eastern Europe. I'm not sure if this is a 'hangover' from the days of Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, et al, but it's definitely a problem over there.
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What an absurd comment.
Easter Europ doesn't have anywhere near the levels of multiculturalism than we do here in the UK.
Multiculturalism tends to reduce racism (not always the case). Why do you think that racism exists more in rural country areas here than the city?
posted on 1/10/21
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by #55 Has Ruined Them! (U22266)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 minute ago
imo letting the kids in seemed like a decent move, you don't expect that behaviour at that level from kids.
what is has done has further highlighted the issues in some of these countries in regards to racism even further, thats really shone a light on the problem.
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JFK - it seems to be an inherent problem in Eastern Europe. I'm not sure if this is a 'hangover' from the days of Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, et al, but it's definitely a problem over there.
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What an absurd comment.
Easter Europ doesn't have anywhere near the levels of multiculturalism than we do here in the UK.
Multiculturalism tends to reduce racism (not always the case). Why do you think that racism exists more in rural country areas here than the city?
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It's pretty evident from fixtures during the last 5 or so years that there is a clear racism issue in that part of the world.
To suggest otherwise is frankly just disengenous.
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