Possibly rose tined on my part due to my everlasting love of Poch....
But as soon as Nuno was appointed on a short deal I was convinced that Poch had more or less agreed to come back once he leaves PSG. So the club just wanted a 'holding manager' in the mean time - hence not going all out for the Conte's etc....
If Nuno does incredible then great, Levy can amend his plans and extend Nuno's deal. But in all likelihood as soon as Poch is available, he's a goner.
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 8 minutes ago
Possibly rose tined on my part due to my everlasting love of Poch....
But as soon as Nuno was appointed on a short deal I was convinced that Poch had more or less agreed to come back once he leaves PSG. So the club just wanted a 'holding manager' in the mean time - hence not going all out for the Conte's etc....
If Nuno does incredible then great, Levy can amend his plans and extend Nuno's deal. But in all likelihood as soon as Poch is available, he's a goner.
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Think Nuno has a ceiling of a top 6-8 finish. Will be enough for him to see out the season, won’t be enough to keep him in a job.
We have been backing managers and finally did in Poch’s last season once the stadium was completed.
It’s very evident it was short term and a lot of people have been reporting it; which is why I find it even more confusing why we didn’t just take the Kane money. As he will be gone soon anyway so why not build for the future of the team fully?
I’d love Poch and he would clearly excel. I do however also think our team is now tailor made for Conte to come in and elevate it about a hundred levels. Nonetheless Nuno is probably a fine stopgap as long as it isn’t so continually negative
comment by Edinpotter (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
We have been backing managers and finally did in Poch’s last season once the stadium was completed.
It’s very evident it was short term and a lot of people have been reporting it; which is why I find it even more confusing why we didn’t just take the Kane money. As he will be gone soon anyway so why not build for the future of the team fully?
I’d love Poch and he would clearly excel. I do however also think our team is now tailor made for Conte to come in and elevate it about a hundred levels. Nonetheless Nuno is probably a fine stopgap as long as it isn’t so continually negative
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Kind of disagree. We only backed Poch when he was completely burned out and when it was far too late.
Also I’m just done with stop gaps and transitional seasons. Every couple of years we are told that this is a season of transition. Probably gonna mocked for this, but I would actually like to see us win the league at least once in my lifetime, rather than spending the years watching the club in a constant state of flux.
Levy will be expecting the same as last time, good football and regular CL on a shoe string budget. This is unlikely to be the case with this squad of players, the squad needs major investment regardless of who is in charge.
Levy is in for a shock if he thinks taking Poch back means he will works miracles again without significant spending. The second time around it would be rarely the case.
I would love Poch back one day though, as long as there is a healthy transfer budget.
Its a weird position because on the face of it it looks like the manager is undermined, but actually its also saying to Nuno, here is this amazing opportunity, you have to grab it.
But it does show that top 6 is the minimum requirement which is what it should be, without any exception.
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Nuno is definitely going to be off this summer
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Do you have a crystal ball or something? What if he meets the target of finishing in the top 6? We are only u games into the season lol.
This is just classic Levy allowing the club to save money in compo if Nuno fails to meet the target of top 6. To say he is definately off at this moment in time is very presumptuous.
comment by Edinpotter (U1109)
posted 20 minutes ago
We have been backing managers and finally did in Poch’s last season once the stadium was completed.
It’s very evident it was short term and a lot of people have been reporting it; which is why I find it even more confusing why we didn’t just take the Kane money. As he will be gone soon anyway so why not build for the future of the team fully?
I’d love Poch and he would clearly excel. I do however also think our team is now tailor made for Conte to come in and elevate it about a hundred levels. Nonetheless Nuno is probably a fine stopgap as long as it isn’t so continually negative
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When Poch was finally backed and he made his statement about "doing things differently". He then spent a record fee on Ndombele with very little research into the player's attitude or stamina or training ethic. The other three signings are pretty much flops. During his time we also paid £30m for Sissoko and £20m odd on Aurier. Not to mention the players he passed on like Tilemans.
We didn't take the Kane money because City only bid £75m with £25m in add ons. Had Levy accepted, everyone including you would have a hissy fit.
If Poch gets the sack from PSG do we want him when he is damaged goods? Even then, we should never go back. He has moved on and so should we.
Conte is a champions league manager who wants to manage a team capable of challenging for league titles. He will not get hundreds of millons to spend at Tottenham. He is another cheque book manager and after Jose with his large wages I cannot see Levy going for that type of manager again. It's pipe dream stuff.
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
Nuno is definitely going to be off this summer
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Do you have a crystal ball or something? What if he meets the target of finishing in the top 6? We are only u games into the season lol.
This is just classic Levy allowing the club to save money in compo if Nuno fails to meet the target of top 6. To say he is definately off at this moment in time is very presumptuous.
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7 games into the season*
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 5 minutes ago
This is precisely what I’ve been saying since Nuno was appointed. Placeholder. Although I didn’t realise Levy had inserted a release clause that makes it so obvious.
The club clearly couldn’t get a coach they wanted in the summer. Nuno was clearly a ‘that’ll do for now‘ appointment to hold the wheel, a compromise between Levy and Paratici while Paratici revamps the squad then replace him with someone they actually want. He does not have what it takes to take us up to the level the club now demands after all the investment in infrastructure etc. It was never gonna be long term.
As for Poch, I’ve said already I have major doubts on this. He took us as far as he could with the resources available to him. Some say unfinished business but what? He got us 2nd in the league and PL runners up. Sure, he didn’t win an FA Cup or League Cup which seems to rankle with some, but is that what he’s coming back for? Because it certainly won’t be to take us a step further in the league or CL than he did before, not on Levy’s watch. We had our shot to win something big while money clubs were floundering and we fell short, we won’t be getting that shot again with the level of investment at those clubs since.
It may not work out for Poch at PSG, for me he’s more of a close knit group, project kind of coach than a boss of galactico’s, but why would he just come running back to Spurs? With Pep due out the door at City and Ole on thin ice at Utd, I’m sure he’d have other suitors here with his proven quality in the PL. Why come back to work for a guy who ignored his plea to think big then sacked him at the first sign of trouble after five years incredible work? If I was Poch I’d only accept Levy’s call so I could tell him to fack right off.
Finally, for me as I’ve said already I don’t like going back over old ground hoping things will be the same again, because they never are. Let’s not forget Poch cut a beleaguered and burnt out figure by the time he left. That era is done, we need to keep looking forward and moving forward as a club, find the next Poch (quite obviously it’s Potter) rather than going down memory lane all the time.
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Sadly, spot on.
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
Nuno is definitely going to be off this summer
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Do you have a crystal ball or something? What if he meets the target of finishing in the top 6? We are only u games into the season lol.
This is just classic Levy allowing the club to save money in compo if Nuno fails to meet the target of top 6. To say he is definately off at this moment in time is very presumptuous.
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Yes you are right it’s presumptuous and I should have added the caveat that in my opinion he will definitely be off this summer - of course I could be wrong, but quite a lot of the signs do seem to point that way. Personally I think the only thing that will keep him the job for next season is if Poch stays at PSG or if he secures a top 4 finish. I personally don’t think 6th place will be enough.
It's very interesting that there's a clause of no compensation if Nuno fails to secure a top 6 finish.
The fact that Nuno agreed to this must either mean that he was very confident in his own abilities or he was desperate for the job. I think it was the former to be fair to him.
We may as well buckle up for the rollercoaster ride, as it's unlikely Nuno will be sacked before the end of the season and it's gonna be a season of many ups and many downs. Let's see where we land.
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comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 5 minutes ago
This is precisely what I’ve been saying since Nuno was appointed. Placeholder. Although I didn’t realise Levy had inserted a release clause that makes it so obvious.
The club clearly couldn’t get a coach they wanted in the summer. Nuno was clearly a ‘that’ll do for now‘ appointment to hold the wheel, a compromise between Levy and Paratici while Paratici revamps the squad then replace him with someone they actually want. He does not have what it takes to take us up to the level the club now demands after all the investment in infrastructure etc. It was never gonna be long term.
As for Poch, I’ve said already I have major doubts on this. He took us as far as he could with the resources available to him. Some say unfinished business but what? He got us 2nd in the league and PL runners up. Sure, he didn’t win an FA Cup or League Cup which seems to rankle with some, but is that what he’s coming back for? Because it certainly won’t be to take us a step further in the league or CL than he did before, not on Levy’s watch. We had our shot to win something big while money clubs were floundering and we fell short, we won’t be getting that shot again with the level of investment at those clubs since.
It may not work out for Poch at PSG, for me he’s more of a close knit group, project kind of coach than a boss of galactico’s, but why would he just come running back to Spurs? With Pep due out the door at City and Ole on thin ice at Utd, I’m sure he’d have other suitors here with his proven quality in the PL. Why come back to work for a guy who ignored his plea to think big then sacked him at the first sign of trouble after five years incredible work? If I was Poch I’d only accept Levy’s call so I could tell him to fack right off.
Finally, for me as I’ve said already I don’t like going back over old ground hoping things will be the same again, because they never are. Let’s not forget Poch cut a beleaguered and burnt out figure by the time he left. That era is done, we need to keep looking forward and moving forward as a club, find the next Poch (quite obviously it’s Potter) rather than going down memory lane all the time.
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Sadly, spot on.
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Every manager is a placeholder though. If they lose 6 games on the trot. See you later.
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comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
Nuno is definitely going to be off this summer
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Do you have a crystal ball or something? What if he meets the target of finishing in the top 6? We are only u games into the season lol.
This is just classic Levy allowing the club to save money in compo if Nuno fails to meet the target of top 6. To say he is definately off at this moment in time is very presumptuous.
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Yes you are right it’s presumptuous and I should have added the caveat that in my opinion he will definitely be off this summer - of course I could be wrong, but quite a lot of the signs do seem to point that way. Personally I think the only thing that will keep him the job for next season is if Poch stays at PSG or if he secures a top 4 finish. I personally don’t think 6th place will be enough.
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Well if you believe Ornstein 6th place will keep him in job lol. I don't think Poch comes into the picture at all. That's just wishful thinking on your behalf.
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posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Edinpotter (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
We have been backing managers and finally did in Poch’s last season once the stadium was completed.
It’s very evident it was short term and a lot of people have been reporting it; which is why I find it even more confusing why we didn’t just take the Kane money. As he will be gone soon anyway so why not build for the future of the team fully?
I’d love Poch and he would clearly excel. I do however also think our team is now tailor made for Conte to come in and elevate it about a hundred levels. Nonetheless Nuno is probably a fine stopgap as long as it isn’t so continually negative
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Kind of disagree. We only backed Poch when he was completely burned out and when it was far too late.
Also I’m just done with stop gaps and transitional seasons. Every couple of years we are told that this is a season of transition. Probably gonna mocked for this, but I would actually like to see us win the league at least once in my lifetime, rather than spending the years watching the club in a constant state of flux.
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Disagree how? I said it was only in the final season. Considering we’ve been in the middle of a pandemic we’ve spent pretty well since
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posted 12 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
Nuno is definitely going to be off this summer
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Do you have a crystal ball or something? What if he meets the target of finishing in the top 6? We are only u games into the season lol.
This is just classic Levy allowing the club to save money in compo if Nuno fails to meet the target of top 6. To say he is definately off at this moment in time is very presumptuous.
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Yes you are right it’s presumptuous and I should have added the caveat that in my opinion he will definitely be off this summer - of course I could be wrong, but quite a lot of the signs do seem to point that way. Personally I think the only thing that will keep him the job for next season is if Poch stays at PSG or if he secures a top 4 finish. I personally don’t think 6th place will be enough.
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Well if you believe Ornstein 6th place will keep him in job lol. I don't think Poch comes into the picture at all. That's just wishful thinking on your behalf.
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The article says we will have to pay compensation if he secures a top 6 finish. If the right manager is available I reckon the club will cut Nuno lose and I can’t imagine with the length of contract that the compensation will be overly prohibitive.
As for Poch and wishful thinking, I did say I don’t see any point in us bringing him back if we aren’t going to do things differently this time, but I do think the club will bring someone in instead of Nuno, whether that’s Poch or not, I can’t say. Anyway only time will tell, but from the very outset it’s been clear to me at least the Nuno was a short-term and compromised appointment.
I have a colleague in my office who began as a temporary administrator. She is now the Financial Manager.
Nuno may have seemingly come in as a stop gap but it is in his gift to elevate himself to someone who is almost irreplaceable.
A tough gig, but he's been backed and there is no harm in that approach by the club. 2 year deals is a new norm. Tuchel's was 18 months initially.
I think this is a bit on a non story really. A fairly common place approach by many clubs
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 5 minutes ago
This is precisely what I’ve been saying since Nuno was appointed. Placeholder. Although I didn’t realise Levy had inserted a release clause that makes it so obvious.
The club clearly couldn’t get a coach they wanted in the summer. Nuno was clearly a ‘that’ll do for now‘ appointment to hold the wheel, a compromise between Levy and Paratici while Paratici revamps the squad then replace him with someone they actually want. He does not have what it takes to take us up to the level the club now demands after all the investment in infrastructure etc. It was never gonna be long term.
As for Poch, I’ve said already I have major doubts on this. He took us as far as he could with the resources available to him. Some say unfinished business but what? He got us 2nd in the league and PL runners up. Sure, he didn’t win an FA Cup or League Cup which seems to rankle with some, but is that what he’s coming back for? Because it certainly won’t be to take us a step further in the league or CL than he did before, not on Levy’s watch. We had our shot to win something big while money clubs were floundering and we fell short, we won’t be getting that shot again with the level of investment at those clubs since.
It may not work out for Poch at PSG, for me he’s more of a close knit group, project kind of coach than a boss of galactico’s, but why would he just come running back to Spurs? With Pep due out the door at City and Ole on thin ice at Utd, I’m sure he’d have other suitors here with his proven quality in the PL. Why come back to work for a guy who ignored his plea to think big then sacked him at the first sign of trouble after five years incredible work? If I was Poch I’d only accept Levy’s call so I could tell him to fack right off.
Finally, for me as I’ve said already I don’t like going back over old ground hoping things will be the same again, because they never are. Let’s not forget Poch cut a beleaguered and burnt out figure by the time he left. That era is done, we need to keep looking forward and moving forward as a club, find the next Poch (quite obviously it’s Potter) rather than going down memory lane all the time.
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Sadly, spot on.
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Every manager is a placeholder though. If they lose 6 games on the trot. See you later.
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After the fact, yes, but not with obvious intent from the outset. Nuno might as well have done his first presser in a set of overalls with ‘Janitor’ written on the back instead of a tracksuit.
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I bet every manager after Nuno will have a similar clause or a similar length of contract which will protect the club from paying out millions in compo. Levy got stung with Poch, then Jose. Lucky both found jobs to stop any more gardening leave money leaving the club.
Should Nuno 'succeed' , Levy will award him with contract befitting of his success and to ward off other clubs. If he doesn't the next manager will have to accept a similar clause.
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posted 22 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Edinpotter (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
We have been backing managers and finally did in Poch’s last season once the stadium was completed.
It’s very evident it was short term and a lot of people have been reporting it; which is why I find it even more confusing why we didn’t just take the Kane money. As he will be gone soon anyway so why not build for the future of the team fully?
I’d love Poch and he would clearly excel. I do however also think our team is now tailor made for Conte to come in and elevate it about a hundred levels. Nonetheless Nuno is probably a fine stopgap as long as it isn’t so continually negative
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Kind of disagree. We only backed Poch when he was completely burned out and when it was far too late.
Also I’m just done with stop gaps and transitional seasons. Every couple of years we are told that this is a season of transition. Probably gonna mocked for this, but I would actually like to see us win the league at least once in my lifetime, rather than spending the years watching the club in a constant state of flux.
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Disagree how? I said it was only in the final season. Considering we’ve been in the middle of a pandemic we’ve spent pretty well since
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Our spending has been okay. I wouldn’t say it’s been spectacular. I mean last year three of our signings were either loans or a free transfer and Reggie I think was the highest outlay. Even this year Romero and Gollini are technically here on loan so we will only have to pay for them after a whole season of stadium revenue coming back into the club.
Also I feel there is this misplaced idea that backing a manager by necessity means spending big. It doesn’t. Smart recruitment is equally as effective. Like last year it was clear the manager wanted a new CB and the club spent the summer going after Skriniar even though there was no way we were going to spend what Inter were asking for. Ultimately we ended up with a situation where we brought in a raw young defender from the championship and not someone who was ready to go into the team straight away.
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I've been thinking about those summer Poch rumours over the last few days and I can't get it out of my head that he's nailed on to return here in the summer.
Every reliable insider made it clear that Poch wanted us and we wanted him. He was homesick as his wife and kids still live in the UK, London specifically. Even the official Spurs mouthpiece, Alistair Gold, pretty much announced that Poch was incoming, before it all went sour as PSG dug their heels in. It was only a sense of loyalty and personal pride that stopped him from handing in his resignation.
I wouldn't be surprised if Levy issued a "we'll wait for you" message as he headed back to Paris and pretended everything was rosy. Levy knows, as all us fans do, that anything less than a win in the Champions League, will see him fired in the summer or earlier. Knowing you have a manager that's confirmed he wants back in and a club that's very trigger happy and will likely sack him (Ligue 1 won't save him), it makes sense to sign a 'David Pleat' type figure on the full understanding that if things go as expected, he'll be pushed aside to allow Poch in. I wouldn't be surprised if Nuno isn't already aware of this plan.
I guess I just can't imagine Levy keeping hold of Nuno at the point Poch is available again. It just won't happen. He loves the guy. Nuno's demeanour also feels strangely resigned to his fate, whatever he achieves.
Now if he were to win something, albeit the conference league, that would really make the decision difficult. How do you justify sacking a man that wins you a trophy over one that couldn't over five years? I don't agree with that sentiment. I think Poch provided us with way more than any solitary tin pot trophy ever could. I'd rather be dining at the top table getting close to the bigger prizes, than winning the occasional Mickey Mouse cup.
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posted on 4/10/21
Possibly rose tined on my part due to my everlasting love of Poch....
But as soon as Nuno was appointed on a short deal I was convinced that Poch had more or less agreed to come back once he leaves PSG. So the club just wanted a 'holding manager' in the mean time - hence not going all out for the Conte's etc....
If Nuno does incredible then great, Levy can amend his plans and extend Nuno's deal. But in all likelihood as soon as Poch is available, he's a goner.
posted on 4/10/21
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 8 minutes ago
Possibly rose tined on my part due to my everlasting love of Poch....
But as soon as Nuno was appointed on a short deal I was convinced that Poch had more or less agreed to come back once he leaves PSG. So the club just wanted a 'holding manager' in the mean time - hence not going all out for the Conte's etc....
If Nuno does incredible then great, Levy can amend his plans and extend Nuno's deal. But in all likelihood as soon as Poch is available, he's a goner.
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Think Nuno has a ceiling of a top 6-8 finish. Will be enough for him to see out the season, won’t be enough to keep him in a job.
posted on 4/10/21
We have been backing managers and finally did in Poch’s last season once the stadium was completed.
It’s very evident it was short term and a lot of people have been reporting it; which is why I find it even more confusing why we didn’t just take the Kane money. As he will be gone soon anyway so why not build for the future of the team fully?
I’d love Poch and he would clearly excel. I do however also think our team is now tailor made for Conte to come in and elevate it about a hundred levels. Nonetheless Nuno is probably a fine stopgap as long as it isn’t so continually negative
posted on 4/10/21
comment by Edinpotter (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
We have been backing managers and finally did in Poch’s last season once the stadium was completed.
It’s very evident it was short term and a lot of people have been reporting it; which is why I find it even more confusing why we didn’t just take the Kane money. As he will be gone soon anyway so why not build for the future of the team fully?
I’d love Poch and he would clearly excel. I do however also think our team is now tailor made for Conte to come in and elevate it about a hundred levels. Nonetheless Nuno is probably a fine stopgap as long as it isn’t so continually negative
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Kind of disagree. We only backed Poch when he was completely burned out and when it was far too late.
Also I’m just done with stop gaps and transitional seasons. Every couple of years we are told that this is a season of transition. Probably gonna mocked for this, but I would actually like to see us win the league at least once in my lifetime, rather than spending the years watching the club in a constant state of flux.
posted on 4/10/21
Levy will be expecting the same as last time, good football and regular CL on a shoe string budget. This is unlikely to be the case with this squad of players, the squad needs major investment regardless of who is in charge.
Levy is in for a shock if he thinks taking Poch back means he will works miracles again without significant spending. The second time around it would be rarely the case.
I would love Poch back one day though, as long as there is a healthy transfer budget.
posted on 4/10/21
Its a weird position because on the face of it it looks like the manager is undermined, but actually its also saying to Nuno, here is this amazing opportunity, you have to grab it.
But it does show that top 6 is the minimum requirement which is what it should be, without any exception.
posted on 4/10/21
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posted on 4/10/21
Nuno is definitely going to be off this summer
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Do you have a crystal ball or something? What if he meets the target of finishing in the top 6? We are only u games into the season lol.
This is just classic Levy allowing the club to save money in compo if Nuno fails to meet the target of top 6. To say he is definately off at this moment in time is very presumptuous.
posted on 4/10/21
comment by Edinpotter (U1109)
posted 20 minutes ago
We have been backing managers and finally did in Poch’s last season once the stadium was completed.
It’s very evident it was short term and a lot of people have been reporting it; which is why I find it even more confusing why we didn’t just take the Kane money. As he will be gone soon anyway so why not build for the future of the team fully?
I’d love Poch and he would clearly excel. I do however also think our team is now tailor made for Conte to come in and elevate it about a hundred levels. Nonetheless Nuno is probably a fine stopgap as long as it isn’t so continually negative
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When Poch was finally backed and he made his statement about "doing things differently". He then spent a record fee on Ndombele with very little research into the player's attitude or stamina or training ethic. The other three signings are pretty much flops. During his time we also paid £30m for Sissoko and £20m odd on Aurier. Not to mention the players he passed on like Tilemans.
We didn't take the Kane money because City only bid £75m with £25m in add ons. Had Levy accepted, everyone including you would have a hissy fit.
If Poch gets the sack from PSG do we want him when he is damaged goods? Even then, we should never go back. He has moved on and so should we.
Conte is a champions league manager who wants to manage a team capable of challenging for league titles. He will not get hundreds of millons to spend at Tottenham. He is another cheque book manager and after Jose with his large wages I cannot see Levy going for that type of manager again. It's pipe dream stuff.
posted on 4/10/21
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
Nuno is definitely going to be off this summer
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Do you have a crystal ball or something? What if he meets the target of finishing in the top 6? We are only u games into the season lol.
This is just classic Levy allowing the club to save money in compo if Nuno fails to meet the target of top 6. To say he is definately off at this moment in time is very presumptuous.
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7 games into the season*
posted on 4/10/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 5 minutes ago
This is precisely what I’ve been saying since Nuno was appointed. Placeholder. Although I didn’t realise Levy had inserted a release clause that makes it so obvious.
The club clearly couldn’t get a coach they wanted in the summer. Nuno was clearly a ‘that’ll do for now‘ appointment to hold the wheel, a compromise between Levy and Paratici while Paratici revamps the squad then replace him with someone they actually want. He does not have what it takes to take us up to the level the club now demands after all the investment in infrastructure etc. It was never gonna be long term.
As for Poch, I’ve said already I have major doubts on this. He took us as far as he could with the resources available to him. Some say unfinished business but what? He got us 2nd in the league and PL runners up. Sure, he didn’t win an FA Cup or League Cup which seems to rankle with some, but is that what he’s coming back for? Because it certainly won’t be to take us a step further in the league or CL than he did before, not on Levy’s watch. We had our shot to win something big while money clubs were floundering and we fell short, we won’t be getting that shot again with the level of investment at those clubs since.
It may not work out for Poch at PSG, for me he’s more of a close knit group, project kind of coach than a boss of galactico’s, but why would he just come running back to Spurs? With Pep due out the door at City and Ole on thin ice at Utd, I’m sure he’d have other suitors here with his proven quality in the PL. Why come back to work for a guy who ignored his plea to think big then sacked him at the first sign of trouble after five years incredible work? If I was Poch I’d only accept Levy’s call so I could tell him to fack right off.
Finally, for me as I’ve said already I don’t like going back over old ground hoping things will be the same again, because they never are. Let’s not forget Poch cut a beleaguered and burnt out figure by the time he left. That era is done, we need to keep looking forward and moving forward as a club, find the next Poch (quite obviously it’s Potter) rather than going down memory lane all the time.
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Sadly, spot on.
posted on 4/10/21
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
Nuno is definitely going to be off this summer
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Do you have a crystal ball or something? What if he meets the target of finishing in the top 6? We are only u games into the season lol.
This is just classic Levy allowing the club to save money in compo if Nuno fails to meet the target of top 6. To say he is definately off at this moment in time is very presumptuous.
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Yes you are right it’s presumptuous and I should have added the caveat that in my opinion he will definitely be off this summer - of course I could be wrong, but quite a lot of the signs do seem to point that way. Personally I think the only thing that will keep him the job for next season is if Poch stays at PSG or if he secures a top 4 finish. I personally don’t think 6th place will be enough.
posted on 4/10/21
It's very interesting that there's a clause of no compensation if Nuno fails to secure a top 6 finish.
The fact that Nuno agreed to this must either mean that he was very confident in his own abilities or he was desperate for the job. I think it was the former to be fair to him.
We may as well buckle up for the rollercoaster ride, as it's unlikely Nuno will be sacked before the end of the season and it's gonna be a season of many ups and many downs. Let's see where we land.
posted on 4/10/21
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 5 minutes ago
This is precisely what I’ve been saying since Nuno was appointed. Placeholder. Although I didn’t realise Levy had inserted a release clause that makes it so obvious.
The club clearly couldn’t get a coach they wanted in the summer. Nuno was clearly a ‘that’ll do for now‘ appointment to hold the wheel, a compromise between Levy and Paratici while Paratici revamps the squad then replace him with someone they actually want. He does not have what it takes to take us up to the level the club now demands after all the investment in infrastructure etc. It was never gonna be long term.
As for Poch, I’ve said already I have major doubts on this. He took us as far as he could with the resources available to him. Some say unfinished business but what? He got us 2nd in the league and PL runners up. Sure, he didn’t win an FA Cup or League Cup which seems to rankle with some, but is that what he’s coming back for? Because it certainly won’t be to take us a step further in the league or CL than he did before, not on Levy’s watch. We had our shot to win something big while money clubs were floundering and we fell short, we won’t be getting that shot again with the level of investment at those clubs since.
It may not work out for Poch at PSG, for me he’s more of a close knit group, project kind of coach than a boss of galactico’s, but why would he just come running back to Spurs? With Pep due out the door at City and Ole on thin ice at Utd, I’m sure he’d have other suitors here with his proven quality in the PL. Why come back to work for a guy who ignored his plea to think big then sacked him at the first sign of trouble after five years incredible work? If I was Poch I’d only accept Levy’s call so I could tell him to fack right off.
Finally, for me as I’ve said already I don’t like going back over old ground hoping things will be the same again, because they never are. Let’s not forget Poch cut a beleaguered and burnt out figure by the time he left. That era is done, we need to keep looking forward and moving forward as a club, find the next Poch (quite obviously it’s Potter) rather than going down memory lane all the time.
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Sadly, spot on.
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Every manager is a placeholder though. If they lose 6 games on the trot. See you later.
posted on 4/10/21
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
Nuno is definitely going to be off this summer
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Do you have a crystal ball or something? What if he meets the target of finishing in the top 6? We are only u games into the season lol.
This is just classic Levy allowing the club to save money in compo if Nuno fails to meet the target of top 6. To say he is definately off at this moment in time is very presumptuous.
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Yes you are right it’s presumptuous and I should have added the caveat that in my opinion he will definitely be off this summer - of course I could be wrong, but quite a lot of the signs do seem to point that way. Personally I think the only thing that will keep him the job for next season is if Poch stays at PSG or if he secures a top 4 finish. I personally don’t think 6th place will be enough.
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Well if you believe Ornstein 6th place will keep him in job lol. I don't think Poch comes into the picture at all. That's just wishful thinking on your behalf.
posted on 4/10/21
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Edinpotter (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
We have been backing managers and finally did in Poch’s last season once the stadium was completed.
It’s very evident it was short term and a lot of people have been reporting it; which is why I find it even more confusing why we didn’t just take the Kane money. As he will be gone soon anyway so why not build for the future of the team fully?
I’d love Poch and he would clearly excel. I do however also think our team is now tailor made for Conte to come in and elevate it about a hundred levels. Nonetheless Nuno is probably a fine stopgap as long as it isn’t so continually negative
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Kind of disagree. We only backed Poch when he was completely burned out and when it was far too late.
Also I’m just done with stop gaps and transitional seasons. Every couple of years we are told that this is a season of transition. Probably gonna mocked for this, but I would actually like to see us win the league at least once in my lifetime, rather than spending the years watching the club in a constant state of flux.
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Disagree how? I said it was only in the final season. Considering we’ve been in the middle of a pandemic we’ve spent pretty well since
posted on 4/10/21
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posted on 4/10/21
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
Nuno is definitely going to be off this summer
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Do you have a crystal ball or something? What if he meets the target of finishing in the top 6? We are only u games into the season lol.
This is just classic Levy allowing the club to save money in compo if Nuno fails to meet the target of top 6. To say he is definately off at this moment in time is very presumptuous.
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Yes you are right it’s presumptuous and I should have added the caveat that in my opinion he will definitely be off this summer - of course I could be wrong, but quite a lot of the signs do seem to point that way. Personally I think the only thing that will keep him the job for next season is if Poch stays at PSG or if he secures a top 4 finish. I personally don’t think 6th place will be enough.
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Well if you believe Ornstein 6th place will keep him in job lol. I don't think Poch comes into the picture at all. That's just wishful thinking on your behalf.
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The article says we will have to pay compensation if he secures a top 6 finish. If the right manager is available I reckon the club will cut Nuno lose and I can’t imagine with the length of contract that the compensation will be overly prohibitive.
As for Poch and wishful thinking, I did say I don’t see any point in us bringing him back if we aren’t going to do things differently this time, but I do think the club will bring someone in instead of Nuno, whether that’s Poch or not, I can’t say. Anyway only time will tell, but from the very outset it’s been clear to me at least the Nuno was a short-term and compromised appointment.
posted on 4/10/21
I have a colleague in my office who began as a temporary administrator. She is now the Financial Manager.
Nuno may have seemingly come in as a stop gap but it is in his gift to elevate himself to someone who is almost irreplaceable.
A tough gig, but he's been backed and there is no harm in that approach by the club. 2 year deals is a new norm. Tuchel's was 18 months initially.
I think this is a bit on a non story really. A fairly common place approach by many clubs
posted on 4/10/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 5 minutes ago
This is precisely what I’ve been saying since Nuno was appointed. Placeholder. Although I didn’t realise Levy had inserted a release clause that makes it so obvious.
The club clearly couldn’t get a coach they wanted in the summer. Nuno was clearly a ‘that’ll do for now‘ appointment to hold the wheel, a compromise between Levy and Paratici while Paratici revamps the squad then replace him with someone they actually want. He does not have what it takes to take us up to the level the club now demands after all the investment in infrastructure etc. It was never gonna be long term.
As for Poch, I’ve said already I have major doubts on this. He took us as far as he could with the resources available to him. Some say unfinished business but what? He got us 2nd in the league and PL runners up. Sure, he didn’t win an FA Cup or League Cup which seems to rankle with some, but is that what he’s coming back for? Because it certainly won’t be to take us a step further in the league or CL than he did before, not on Levy’s watch. We had our shot to win something big while money clubs were floundering and we fell short, we won’t be getting that shot again with the level of investment at those clubs since.
It may not work out for Poch at PSG, for me he’s more of a close knit group, project kind of coach than a boss of galactico’s, but why would he just come running back to Spurs? With Pep due out the door at City and Ole on thin ice at Utd, I’m sure he’d have other suitors here with his proven quality in the PL. Why come back to work for a guy who ignored his plea to think big then sacked him at the first sign of trouble after five years incredible work? If I was Poch I’d only accept Levy’s call so I could tell him to fack right off.
Finally, for me as I’ve said already I don’t like going back over old ground hoping things will be the same again, because they never are. Let’s not forget Poch cut a beleaguered and burnt out figure by the time he left. That era is done, we need to keep looking forward and moving forward as a club, find the next Poch (quite obviously it’s Potter) rather than going down memory lane all the time.
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Sadly, spot on.
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Every manager is a placeholder though. If they lose 6 games on the trot. See you later.
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After the fact, yes, but not with obvious intent from the outset. Nuno might as well have done his first presser in a set of overalls with ‘Janitor’ written on the back instead of a tracksuit.
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I bet every manager after Nuno will have a similar clause or a similar length of contract which will protect the club from paying out millions in compo. Levy got stung with Poch, then Jose. Lucky both found jobs to stop any more gardening leave money leaving the club.
Should Nuno 'succeed' , Levy will award him with contract befitting of his success and to ward off other clubs. If he doesn't the next manager will have to accept a similar clause.
posted on 4/10/21
comment by Edinpotter (U1109)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Edinpotter (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
We have been backing managers and finally did in Poch’s last season once the stadium was completed.
It’s very evident it was short term and a lot of people have been reporting it; which is why I find it even more confusing why we didn’t just take the Kane money. As he will be gone soon anyway so why not build for the future of the team fully?
I’d love Poch and he would clearly excel. I do however also think our team is now tailor made for Conte to come in and elevate it about a hundred levels. Nonetheless Nuno is probably a fine stopgap as long as it isn’t so continually negative
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Kind of disagree. We only backed Poch when he was completely burned out and when it was far too late.
Also I’m just done with stop gaps and transitional seasons. Every couple of years we are told that this is a season of transition. Probably gonna mocked for this, but I would actually like to see us win the league at least once in my lifetime, rather than spending the years watching the club in a constant state of flux.
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Disagree how? I said it was only in the final season. Considering we’ve been in the middle of a pandemic we’ve spent pretty well since
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Our spending has been okay. I wouldn’t say it’s been spectacular. I mean last year three of our signings were either loans or a free transfer and Reggie I think was the highest outlay. Even this year Romero and Gollini are technically here on loan so we will only have to pay for them after a whole season of stadium revenue coming back into the club.
Also I feel there is this misplaced idea that backing a manager by necessity means spending big. It doesn’t. Smart recruitment is equally as effective. Like last year it was clear the manager wanted a new CB and the club spent the summer going after Skriniar even though there was no way we were going to spend what Inter were asking for. Ultimately we ended up with a situation where we brought in a raw young defender from the championship and not someone who was ready to go into the team straight away.
posted on 4/10/21
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I've been thinking about those summer Poch rumours over the last few days and I can't get it out of my head that he's nailed on to return here in the summer.
Every reliable insider made it clear that Poch wanted us and we wanted him. He was homesick as his wife and kids still live in the UK, London specifically. Even the official Spurs mouthpiece, Alistair Gold, pretty much announced that Poch was incoming, before it all went sour as PSG dug their heels in. It was only a sense of loyalty and personal pride that stopped him from handing in his resignation.
I wouldn't be surprised if Levy issued a "we'll wait for you" message as he headed back to Paris and pretended everything was rosy. Levy knows, as all us fans do, that anything less than a win in the Champions League, will see him fired in the summer or earlier. Knowing you have a manager that's confirmed he wants back in and a club that's very trigger happy and will likely sack him (Ligue 1 won't save him), it makes sense to sign a 'David Pleat' type figure on the full understanding that if things go as expected, he'll be pushed aside to allow Poch in. I wouldn't be surprised if Nuno isn't already aware of this plan.
I guess I just can't imagine Levy keeping hold of Nuno at the point Poch is available again. It just won't happen. He loves the guy. Nuno's demeanour also feels strangely resigned to his fate, whatever he achieves.
Now if he were to win something, albeit the conference league, that would really make the decision difficult. How do you justify sacking a man that wins you a trophy over one that couldn't over five years? I don't agree with that sentiment. I think Poch provided us with way more than any solitary tin pot trophy ever could. I'd rather be dining at the top table getting close to the bigger prizes, than winning the occasional Mickey Mouse cup.
posted on 4/10/21
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