absolute minefield for the club this.
It's my personal belief that people are responsible for these acts, the perpetrators, those who knew and didn't speak out, those who didn't help. I've always felt it somewhat unfair (for lack of a better word) that those in charge of celtic today have to handle these allegations, they didn't do anything.
I understand the victims need someone to blame for it and thats justifiied, i just think that people not companies do these things.
I don't like the separate entity angle nor do i like rangers saying "take it up with the old club" when it suits, i find both to be very distasteful.
I believe these CA allegations have shown a lot of fans for what they are, they act like bastions of integrity but that only applies if the victims were abused in relation to their rivals, no other situation warrants their attention.
When more came out you had celtic and rangers fans actually wanting stuff to come out about their rivals, wanting children to have been abused so they can use it as a stick to beat them with.
i personally find that to be utterly disgusting.
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 minute ago
absolute minefield for the club this.
It's my personal belief that people are responsible for these acts, the perpetrators, those who knew and didn't speak out, those who didn't help. I've always felt it somewhat unfair (for lack of a better word) that those in charge of celtic today have to handle these allegations, they didn't do anything.
I understand the victims need someone to blame for it and thats justifiied, i just think that people not companies do these things.
I don't like the separate entity angle nor do i like rangers saying "take it up with the old club" when it suits, i find both to be very distasteful.
I believe these CA allegations have shown a lot of fans for what they are, they act like bastions of integrity but that only applies if the victims were abused in relation to their rivals, no other situation warrants their attention.
When more came out you had celtic and rangers fans actually wanting stuff to come out about their rivals, wanting children to have been abused so they can use it as a stick to beat them with.
i personally find that to be utterly disgusting.
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Not something i know a great deal about, not something I have really wanted to read up on tbf.
" but I’d rather they just sat down and try and get this resolved." - I think this side can only come from the club has this ever been offered?
How long ago are theses cases going back?
Not something I really like to comment on and I'm a bit reluctant to comment on it today, but in terms of the discussion about it going to court vs settling privately I think there's something important, as unpleasant as it is, about the abuses and how they came about being in the public domain, so that lessons can be learned and there's a greater awareness of the dangers that can be posed when predators are left unchecked.
It's something that I'm sure makes us all deeply uncomfortable and it's quite upsetting to hear about. And I'm sure we all agree that the most important people in this process are the victims and I hope they get all the support they need.
I can't imagine whatever happens it will be good for PR as lawyers acting on behalf of Plc shareholders trying to limit exposure (which could be significant) against victims of CA isn't great optics. I'm not sure if any cases have been settled out of court prior to this?
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 5 minutes ago
Not something I really like to comment on and I'm a bit reluctant to comment on it today, but in terms of the discussion about it going to court vs settling privately I think there's something important, as unpleasant as it is, about the abuses and how they came about being in the public domain, so that lessons can be learned and there's a greater awareness of the dangers that can be posed when predators are left unchecked.
It's something that I'm sure makes us all deeply uncomfortable and it's quite upsetting to hear about. And I'm sure we all agree that the most important people in this process are the victims and I hope they get all the support they need.
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I think that’s the biggest thing-the support.
I know plenty of folk think throwing money at this should be the outcome, but what does that achieve? They should absolutely have financial redress, but will that help anyone affected come to terms with what they’ve suffered?
On the public v private part-I’ve no desire to read or hear what they’ve gone through, and I’d rather if they didn’t want to have to go through it again publicly then they don’t have to. If that’s how it’s to be resolved, then so be it. If it helps, then it has to be done.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 14 minutes ago
Not something i know a great deal about, not something I have really wanted to read up on tbf.
" but I’d rather they just sat down and try and get this resolved." - I think this side can only come from the club has this ever been offered?
How long ago are theses cases going back?
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I don’t really believe you being honest, but to answer then no, there’s been no offer I’m aware of from Celtic to resolve this, which there should have been.
I would be surprised to find child abuse as prevalent in boys clubs now as it was back in the days before the internet.
child abuse has adapted the same way everything else has, shopping, banking, everything. The ease of it all now makes those "curious" able to explore it more freely, i won't pretend it doesn't disgust me to write that.
unfortunately, it also makes it easier for people to "outgrow" what they are into, e.g. pictures don't cut it so they move to videos and so forth.
i think learning what went on at football clubs can teach us lessons about past mistakes in a way, and help a bit in the future but not nearly as much as it would have helped decades ago.
lastly, while i mention "past mistakes" above, i still find it very difficult to put that blame on people in charge today.
individuals and groups of people at the time are to blame, nobody in charge of celtic football club today had any part of this and i don't find it fair for their names to be dragged through the mud as a result of this.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 14 minutes ago
Not something i know a great deal about, not something I have really wanted to read up on tbf.
" but I’d rather they just sat down and try and get this resolved." - I think this side can only come from the club has this ever been offered?
How long ago are theses cases going back?
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I don’t really believe you being honest, but to answer then no, there’s been no offer I’m aware of from Celtic to resolve this, which there should have been.
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you dont believe what?
I have no idea how far these go back or indeed the time difference in the cases.
Doesnt matter really, not worth arguing about.
No one gonna come out this feeling good, lowlifes will gloat, the others will deflect sadly. Hopefully it can at least all be dealt with in some shape or form, so at least all parties can move forward.
Hopefully most of the details are kept private no good of the details can come out of this
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Don’t disagree about the past mistakes, but it’s the entity that they’re suing, not the individuals. The current board, etc just represent Celtic.
I think it’s Torbett that was quite wealthy, but apart from that there’s nothing else there probably in terms of finance.
Just sordid all round.
celtic are trying to avoid accountability for this, which again i understand because as i say football clubs don't do these things, people do.
they say there is no such thing as bad press, but no good comes out of this for celtic. Thought city handled it quickly and well, i feel like its been prolonged at celtic though.
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 minute ago
celtic are trying to avoid accountability for this, which again i understand because as i say football clubs don't do these things, people do.
they say there is no such thing as bad press, but no good comes out of this for celtic. Thought city handled it quickly and well, i feel like its been prolonged at celtic though.
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Which has been my point for a while on this. Celtic could have got ahead of this, and haven’t. It’s been poor.
but it’s the entity that they’re suing, not the individuals.
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yup and while i get there has to be an outlet for rage i don't see how the entity is to blame for it.
they deserve compensation of sort no question, but they won't get that going after old men, they might get it by suing the club.
poorly advised i think POV.
to accept blame is a dangerous thing for celtic and imo not entirely fair because they are not to blame.
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 29 minutes ago
Not something I really like to comment on and I'm a bit reluctant to comment on it today, but in terms of the discussion about it going to court vs settling privately I think there's something important, as unpleasant as it is, about the abuses and how they came about being in the public domain, so that lessons can be learned and there's a greater awareness of the dangers that can be posed when predators are left unchecked.
It's something that I'm sure makes us all deeply uncomfortable and it's quite upsetting to hear about. And I'm sure we all agree that the most important people in this process are the victims and I hope they get all the support they need.
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Yeah agree, such a delicate subject.
It's also become a bit of a point scoring thing on both sides which is horrible.
No question the current custodians of Celtic aren't responsible but ultimately the victims should be compensated and treated with dignity and if Celtic as a club were responsible in any way or could have stopped it then they should do the decent thing. I can't help but feel some of the statements around separate entities etc don't do that and might have actually made the situation worse.
I think Man City are the one club who have handled this properly in recent years. A very swift and full apology and compensation paid out without further reputational damage. Compare that to a club like Crewe who spent years in denial and have completely tarnished their reputation as a result.
Celtic as a club were responsible in any way or could have stopped it then they should do the decent thing.
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see this is where you lose me.
how does a club stop it?
it can't, people do.
Celtics insistence on avoiding blame has dragged this out longer than it should, i find the separate entity chat distasteful to say the least.
i believe if celtic put together a compensation package the lawyers would smell blood and go for the jugular, "they accept blame, we can go for more!"
Well a club could ensure they never work for the club again as a start and not redeploy them in other roles or in the same role years later. Or they could properly investigate the claims of the victims at the time.
You can't tell me that clubs or organisations have no way of stopping child abuse surely.
To quote the great man himself
Guns dont kill people, people do
well u narrow it down mate, celtic isnt a thing that hires people.
These people were given jobs some knowing their past behaviour, but again they were given jobs by people.
now, if we are talking about implementing policy then i'm sorry but it would surely be a rule, written or unwritten not to hire child molesters in roles at a boys club.
at any level it comes down to people, its not an automated system, people make decisions on who to hire and where to place them, and they are to blame for this.
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 29 minutes ago
Not something I really like to comment on and I'm a bit reluctant to comment on it today, but in terms of the discussion about it going to court vs settling privately I think there's something important, as unpleasant as it is, about the abuses and how they came about being in the public domain, so that lessons can be learned and there's a greater awareness of the dangers that can be posed when predators are left unchecked.
It's something that I'm sure makes us all deeply uncomfortable and it's quite upsetting to hear about. And I'm sure we all agree that the most important people in this process are the victims and I hope they get all the support they need.
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Yeah agree, such a delicate subject.
It's also become a bit of a point scoring thing on both sides which is horrible.
No question the current custodians of Celtic aren't responsible but ultimately the victims should be compensated and treated with dignity and if Celtic as a club were responsible in any way or could have stopped it then they should do the decent thing. I can't help but feel some of the statements around separate entities etc don't do that and might have actually made the situation worse.
I think Man City are the one club who have handled this properly in recent years. A very swift and full apology and compensation paid out without further reputational damage. Compare that to a club like Crewe who spent years in denial and have completely tarnished their reputation as a result.
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Good examples Smid, probably highlights the money factor in this, right or wrong. Clubs of this day and age aren’t responsible, the horrible b@staffs who committed these crimes and anyone who hid it are.
Man City could afford to pay off 1 or 2 cases. Crewe had something like 15? And they don’t have the money.
I’ve only ever had one issue with this and it’s that solicitor, he’s been an absolute cretin in every interview I’ve watched or read.
Now he’s potentially diluting the current victims by taking out a flicking ad in a paper. What happens if one of this class action turns out to be a liar hoping for a pay day now?
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 7 minutes ago
Celtic as a club were responsible in any way or could have stopped it then they should do the decent thing.
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see this is where you lose me.
how does a club stop it?
it can't, people do.
Celtics insistence on avoiding blame has dragged this out longer than it should, i find the separate entity chat distasteful to say the least.
i believe if celtic put together a compensation package the lawyers would smell blood and go for the jugular, "they accept blame, we can go for more!"
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Aye the lawyer is an ambulance chaser, his behaviour in the public domain probably why Celtic haven’t brought him to the table.
Like it or not, we are a PLC and must do this in accordance with the rules associated with it.
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 39 seconds ago
well u narrow it down mate, celtic isnt a thing that hires people.
These people were given jobs some knowing their past behaviour, but again they were given jobs by people.
now, if we are talking about implementing policy then i'm sorry but it would surely be a rule, written or unwritten not to hire child molesters in roles at a boys club.
at any level it comes down to people, its not an automated system, people make decisions on who to hire and where to place them, and they are to blame for this.
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Celtic are the organisation though who hire these people and facilitate a culture. I think any organisation found to have facilitated child abuse on the levels alleged should bear some responsibility for their actions or inactions that led to these things happening.
Of course if it's one bad egg there's little you can do and there are other clubs, Rangers included, who have had their own cases and should also be responsible for these situations.
The situation at Celtic seems on the face of it to be on a bigger scale and questions must be asked about whether they as an organisation could have done more. And if they could, then the victims should be afforded the dignity they deserve.
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 29 minutes ago
Not something I really like to comment on and I'm a bit reluctant to comment on it today, but in terms of the discussion about it going to court vs settling privately I think there's something important, as unpleasant as it is, about the abuses and how they came about being in the public domain, so that lessons can be learned and there's a greater awareness of the dangers that can be posed when predators are left unchecked.
It's something that I'm sure makes us all deeply uncomfortable and it's quite upsetting to hear about. And I'm sure we all agree that the most important people in this process are the victims and I hope they get all the support they need.
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Yeah agree, such a delicate subject.
It's also become a bit of a point scoring thing on both sides which is horrible.
No question the current custodians of Celtic aren't responsible but ultimately the victims should be compensated and treated with dignity and if Celtic as a club were responsible in any way or could have stopped it then they should do the decent thing. I can't help but feel some of the statements around separate entities etc don't do that and might have actually made the situation worse.
I think Man City are the one club who have handled this properly in recent years. A very swift and full apology and compensation paid out without further reputational damage. Compare that to a club like Crewe who spent years in denial and have completely tarnished their reputation as a result.
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Good examples Smid, probably highlights the money factor in this, right or wrong. Clubs of this day and age aren’t responsible, the horrible b@staffs who committed these crimes and anyone who hid it are.
Man City could afford to pay off 1 or 2 cases. Crewe had something like 15? And they don’t have the money.
I’ve only ever had one issue with this and it’s that solicitor, he’s been an absolute cretin in every interview I’ve watched or read.
Now he’s potentially diluting the current victims by taking out a flicking ad in a paper. What happens if one of this class action turns out to be a liar hoping for a pay day now?
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Money is definitely a factor. City decided they could write it off and make it go away. Other clubs might not be able to do that.
But ultimately I think City are the club who by managing it that way have avoided a stain on their reputation so it's something for others to think about.
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posted on 5/10/21
absolute minefield for the club this.
It's my personal belief that people are responsible for these acts, the perpetrators, those who knew and didn't speak out, those who didn't help. I've always felt it somewhat unfair (for lack of a better word) that those in charge of celtic today have to handle these allegations, they didn't do anything.
I understand the victims need someone to blame for it and thats justifiied, i just think that people not companies do these things.
I don't like the separate entity angle nor do i like rangers saying "take it up with the old club" when it suits, i find both to be very distasteful.
I believe these CA allegations have shown a lot of fans for what they are, they act like bastions of integrity but that only applies if the victims were abused in relation to their rivals, no other situation warrants their attention.
When more came out you had celtic and rangers fans actually wanting stuff to come out about their rivals, wanting children to have been abused so they can use it as a stick to beat them with.
i personally find that to be utterly disgusting.
posted on 5/10/21
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 minute ago
absolute minefield for the club this.
It's my personal belief that people are responsible for these acts, the perpetrators, those who knew and didn't speak out, those who didn't help. I've always felt it somewhat unfair (for lack of a better word) that those in charge of celtic today have to handle these allegations, they didn't do anything.
I understand the victims need someone to blame for it and thats justifiied, i just think that people not companies do these things.
I don't like the separate entity angle nor do i like rangers saying "take it up with the old club" when it suits, i find both to be very distasteful.
I believe these CA allegations have shown a lot of fans for what they are, they act like bastions of integrity but that only applies if the victims were abused in relation to their rivals, no other situation warrants their attention.
When more came out you had celtic and rangers fans actually wanting stuff to come out about their rivals, wanting children to have been abused so they can use it as a stick to beat them with.
i personally find that to be utterly disgusting.
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posted on 5/10/21
Not something i know a great deal about, not something I have really wanted to read up on tbf.
" but I’d rather they just sat down and try and get this resolved." - I think this side can only come from the club has this ever been offered?
How long ago are theses cases going back?
posted on 5/10/21
Not something I really like to comment on and I'm a bit reluctant to comment on it today, but in terms of the discussion about it going to court vs settling privately I think there's something important, as unpleasant as it is, about the abuses and how they came about being in the public domain, so that lessons can be learned and there's a greater awareness of the dangers that can be posed when predators are left unchecked.
It's something that I'm sure makes us all deeply uncomfortable and it's quite upsetting to hear about. And I'm sure we all agree that the most important people in this process are the victims and I hope they get all the support they need.
posted on 5/10/21
I can't imagine whatever happens it will be good for PR as lawyers acting on behalf of Plc shareholders trying to limit exposure (which could be significant) against victims of CA isn't great optics. I'm not sure if any cases have been settled out of court prior to this?
posted on 5/10/21
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 5 minutes ago
Not something I really like to comment on and I'm a bit reluctant to comment on it today, but in terms of the discussion about it going to court vs settling privately I think there's something important, as unpleasant as it is, about the abuses and how they came about being in the public domain, so that lessons can be learned and there's a greater awareness of the dangers that can be posed when predators are left unchecked.
It's something that I'm sure makes us all deeply uncomfortable and it's quite upsetting to hear about. And I'm sure we all agree that the most important people in this process are the victims and I hope they get all the support they need.
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I think that’s the biggest thing-the support.
I know plenty of folk think throwing money at this should be the outcome, but what does that achieve? They should absolutely have financial redress, but will that help anyone affected come to terms with what they’ve suffered?
On the public v private part-I’ve no desire to read or hear what they’ve gone through, and I’d rather if they didn’t want to have to go through it again publicly then they don’t have to. If that’s how it’s to be resolved, then so be it. If it helps, then it has to be done.
posted on 5/10/21
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 14 minutes ago
Not something i know a great deal about, not something I have really wanted to read up on tbf.
" but I’d rather they just sat down and try and get this resolved." - I think this side can only come from the club has this ever been offered?
How long ago are theses cases going back?
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I don’t really believe you being honest, but to answer then no, there’s been no offer I’m aware of from Celtic to resolve this, which there should have been.
posted on 5/10/21
I would be surprised to find child abuse as prevalent in boys clubs now as it was back in the days before the internet.
child abuse has adapted the same way everything else has, shopping, banking, everything. The ease of it all now makes those "curious" able to explore it more freely, i won't pretend it doesn't disgust me to write that.
unfortunately, it also makes it easier for people to "outgrow" what they are into, e.g. pictures don't cut it so they move to videos and so forth.
i think learning what went on at football clubs can teach us lessons about past mistakes in a way, and help a bit in the future but not nearly as much as it would have helped decades ago.
lastly, while i mention "past mistakes" above, i still find it very difficult to put that blame on people in charge today.
individuals and groups of people at the time are to blame, nobody in charge of celtic football club today had any part of this and i don't find it fair for their names to be dragged through the mud as a result of this.
posted on 5/10/21
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 14 minutes ago
Not something i know a great deal about, not something I have really wanted to read up on tbf.
" but I’d rather they just sat down and try and get this resolved." - I think this side can only come from the club has this ever been offered?
How long ago are theses cases going back?
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I don’t really believe you being honest, but to answer then no, there’s been no offer I’m aware of from Celtic to resolve this, which there should have been.
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you dont believe what?
I have no idea how far these go back or indeed the time difference in the cases.
Doesnt matter really, not worth arguing about.
No one gonna come out this feeling good, lowlifes will gloat, the others will deflect sadly. Hopefully it can at least all be dealt with in some shape or form, so at least all parties can move forward.
Hopefully most of the details are kept private no good of the details can come out of this
posted on 5/10/21
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posted on 5/10/21
Don’t disagree about the past mistakes, but it’s the entity that they’re suing, not the individuals. The current board, etc just represent Celtic.
I think it’s Torbett that was quite wealthy, but apart from that there’s nothing else there probably in terms of finance.
Just sordid all round.
posted on 5/10/21
celtic are trying to avoid accountability for this, which again i understand because as i say football clubs don't do these things, people do.
they say there is no such thing as bad press, but no good comes out of this for celtic. Thought city handled it quickly and well, i feel like its been prolonged at celtic though.
posted on 5/10/21
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 minute ago
celtic are trying to avoid accountability for this, which again i understand because as i say football clubs don't do these things, people do.
they say there is no such thing as bad press, but no good comes out of this for celtic. Thought city handled it quickly and well, i feel like its been prolonged at celtic though.
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Which has been my point for a while on this. Celtic could have got ahead of this, and haven’t. It’s been poor.
posted on 5/10/21
but it’s the entity that they’re suing, not the individuals.
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yup and while i get there has to be an outlet for rage i don't see how the entity is to blame for it.
they deserve compensation of sort no question, but they won't get that going after old men, they might get it by suing the club.
posted on 5/10/21
poorly advised i think POV.
to accept blame is a dangerous thing for celtic and imo not entirely fair because they are not to blame.
posted on 5/10/21
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 29 minutes ago
Not something I really like to comment on and I'm a bit reluctant to comment on it today, but in terms of the discussion about it going to court vs settling privately I think there's something important, as unpleasant as it is, about the abuses and how they came about being in the public domain, so that lessons can be learned and there's a greater awareness of the dangers that can be posed when predators are left unchecked.
It's something that I'm sure makes us all deeply uncomfortable and it's quite upsetting to hear about. And I'm sure we all agree that the most important people in this process are the victims and I hope they get all the support they need.
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Yeah agree, such a delicate subject.
It's also become a bit of a point scoring thing on both sides which is horrible.
No question the current custodians of Celtic aren't responsible but ultimately the victims should be compensated and treated with dignity and if Celtic as a club were responsible in any way or could have stopped it then they should do the decent thing. I can't help but feel some of the statements around separate entities etc don't do that and might have actually made the situation worse.
I think Man City are the one club who have handled this properly in recent years. A very swift and full apology and compensation paid out without further reputational damage. Compare that to a club like Crewe who spent years in denial and have completely tarnished their reputation as a result.
posted on 5/10/21
Celtic as a club were responsible in any way or could have stopped it then they should do the decent thing.
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see this is where you lose me.
how does a club stop it?
it can't, people do.
Celtics insistence on avoiding blame has dragged this out longer than it should, i find the separate entity chat distasteful to say the least.
i believe if celtic put together a compensation package the lawyers would smell blood and go for the jugular, "they accept blame, we can go for more!"
posted on 5/10/21
Well a club could ensure they never work for the club again as a start and not redeploy them in other roles or in the same role years later. Or they could properly investigate the claims of the victims at the time.
You can't tell me that clubs or organisations have no way of stopping child abuse surely.
posted on 5/10/21
To quote the great man himself
Guns dont kill people, people do
posted on 5/10/21
well u narrow it down mate, celtic isnt a thing that hires people.
These people were given jobs some knowing their past behaviour, but again they were given jobs by people.
now, if we are talking about implementing policy then i'm sorry but it would surely be a rule, written or unwritten not to hire child molesters in roles at a boys club.
at any level it comes down to people, its not an automated system, people make decisions on who to hire and where to place them, and they are to blame for this.
posted on 5/10/21
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 29 minutes ago
Not something I really like to comment on and I'm a bit reluctant to comment on it today, but in terms of the discussion about it going to court vs settling privately I think there's something important, as unpleasant as it is, about the abuses and how they came about being in the public domain, so that lessons can be learned and there's a greater awareness of the dangers that can be posed when predators are left unchecked.
It's something that I'm sure makes us all deeply uncomfortable and it's quite upsetting to hear about. And I'm sure we all agree that the most important people in this process are the victims and I hope they get all the support they need.
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Yeah agree, such a delicate subject.
It's also become a bit of a point scoring thing on both sides which is horrible.
No question the current custodians of Celtic aren't responsible but ultimately the victims should be compensated and treated with dignity and if Celtic as a club were responsible in any way or could have stopped it then they should do the decent thing. I can't help but feel some of the statements around separate entities etc don't do that and might have actually made the situation worse.
I think Man City are the one club who have handled this properly in recent years. A very swift and full apology and compensation paid out without further reputational damage. Compare that to a club like Crewe who spent years in denial and have completely tarnished their reputation as a result.
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Good examples Smid, probably highlights the money factor in this, right or wrong. Clubs of this day and age aren’t responsible, the horrible b@staffs who committed these crimes and anyone who hid it are.
Man City could afford to pay off 1 or 2 cases. Crewe had something like 15? And they don’t have the money.
I’ve only ever had one issue with this and it’s that solicitor, he’s been an absolute cretin in every interview I’ve watched or read.
Now he’s potentially diluting the current victims by taking out a flicking ad in a paper. What happens if one of this class action turns out to be a liar hoping for a pay day now?
posted on 5/10/21
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 7 minutes ago
Celtic as a club were responsible in any way or could have stopped it then they should do the decent thing.
=====
see this is where you lose me.
how does a club stop it?
it can't, people do.
Celtics insistence on avoiding blame has dragged this out longer than it should, i find the separate entity chat distasteful to say the least.
i believe if celtic put together a compensation package the lawyers would smell blood and go for the jugular, "they accept blame, we can go for more!"
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posted on 5/10/21
Aye the lawyer is an ambulance chaser, his behaviour in the public domain probably why Celtic haven’t brought him to the table.
Like it or not, we are a PLC and must do this in accordance with the rules associated with it.
posted on 5/10/21
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 39 seconds ago
well u narrow it down mate, celtic isnt a thing that hires people.
These people were given jobs some knowing their past behaviour, but again they were given jobs by people.
now, if we are talking about implementing policy then i'm sorry but it would surely be a rule, written or unwritten not to hire child molesters in roles at a boys club.
at any level it comes down to people, its not an automated system, people make decisions on who to hire and where to place them, and they are to blame for this.
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Celtic are the organisation though who hire these people and facilitate a culture. I think any organisation found to have facilitated child abuse on the levels alleged should bear some responsibility for their actions or inactions that led to these things happening.
Of course if it's one bad egg there's little you can do and there are other clubs, Rangers included, who have had their own cases and should also be responsible for these situations.
The situation at Celtic seems on the face of it to be on a bigger scale and questions must be asked about whether they as an organisation could have done more. And if they could, then the victims should be afforded the dignity they deserve.
posted on 5/10/21
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 29 minutes ago
Not something I really like to comment on and I'm a bit reluctant to comment on it today, but in terms of the discussion about it going to court vs settling privately I think there's something important, as unpleasant as it is, about the abuses and how they came about being in the public domain, so that lessons can be learned and there's a greater awareness of the dangers that can be posed when predators are left unchecked.
It's something that I'm sure makes us all deeply uncomfortable and it's quite upsetting to hear about. And I'm sure we all agree that the most important people in this process are the victims and I hope they get all the support they need.
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Yeah agree, such a delicate subject.
It's also become a bit of a point scoring thing on both sides which is horrible.
No question the current custodians of Celtic aren't responsible but ultimately the victims should be compensated and treated with dignity and if Celtic as a club were responsible in any way or could have stopped it then they should do the decent thing. I can't help but feel some of the statements around separate entities etc don't do that and might have actually made the situation worse.
I think Man City are the one club who have handled this properly in recent years. A very swift and full apology and compensation paid out without further reputational damage. Compare that to a club like Crewe who spent years in denial and have completely tarnished their reputation as a result.
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Good examples Smid, probably highlights the money factor in this, right or wrong. Clubs of this day and age aren’t responsible, the horrible b@staffs who committed these crimes and anyone who hid it are.
Man City could afford to pay off 1 or 2 cases. Crewe had something like 15? And they don’t have the money.
I’ve only ever had one issue with this and it’s that solicitor, he’s been an absolute cretin in every interview I’ve watched or read.
Now he’s potentially diluting the current victims by taking out a flicking ad in a paper. What happens if one of this class action turns out to be a liar hoping for a pay day now?
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Money is definitely a factor. City decided they could write it off and make it go away. Other clubs might not be able to do that.
But ultimately I think City are the club who by managing it that way have avoided a stain on their reputation so it's something for others to think about.
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