It's a little bit hard to judge Luis Enrique due to lack of evidence how he performs outside Spanish football. He inherited a Barcelona side with not only fantastic players, but a very clear playing pattern. He did tweak the tactics - very effectively - but I guess it's easier to evolve from a position of ascendancy. His Spanish side isn't packed with players who know each other, so the coherence of their play is pretty impressive. That said, there is a recognisable 'Spanish style' of footballer and approach to tactics, so it's possibly easier to achieve that coherence with Spain than many other national sides. Moreover, a midfield that can call on Busquets, Thiago, Pedri, Koke, Rodri, Llorente (and can afford to leave behind the likes of Isco and Saul) is always going to give a half-decent manager the opportunity to control games.
I think the jury is out on Luis Enrique's claim to be an absolute elite manager - as you could perhaps have said about Guardiola before he went to Bayern and City.
If we're talking managers who impressed in international football this year, I'd offer up another name: Roberto Mancini. He has more titles (and more variety of experience and achievement) as a club manager, and Italy were not just the best side in this year's Euros, but playing in a thrilling, proactive style that was not typically Italian.
Good shout.
Must admit, i am guilty of having dismissed him as one of those 'anyone could win with Messi, Neymar and co' coaches that need to go and prove themselves elsewhere.
Mancini is also a good shout, however his time with City might rule him out of the future running for the United job.
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Mancini is also a good shout, however his time with City might rule him out of the future running for the United job.
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I think the jury is out on Luis Enrique's claim to be an absolute elite manager - as you could perhaps have said about Guardiola before he went to Bayern and City.
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And you can still say it now. Taking over at two ALREADY superb teams, with superb squads in depth and an unlimited transfer budget, is no true test of a manager's actual ability and ultimately "proves" nothing in Pep Guariola's case. Damn near ANY idiot can buy half a billion pounds worth of players and put together a team that plays well.
Pep is an elite manager by inheritance. And just like daddy lil rich trust fund brat. Until he's lost the trust fund and big fat leg up handed him by his predecessor, we never can and never will know if the man himself is truly elite or if it was just the "Team already at the top and infinite spending to stay there"
thing which has handed his title to him.
I don't care what he's won with Barca, Bayern or City I COULD feckin manage any one of those three to a title backed with the money he's spent, as could half this board easy. Unless Guardiola goes to a club without infinite spending and a legacy at the top already, there'll FOREVER be a question mark over his true ability. "Can he do it when not allowed to ps as much cash away as he likes." I don't think he can which is why he bails as soon as there's talking of spending being curtailed. A sure sign that he doesn't think he can himself either.
SAF = Brought/Restored glory
Wenger = Was Invincible and keeping kids among the elite for 10 years with feck all to spend.
Murinho = Done it all with broke-ass Porto
Pep = Inherited Barca, was gifted Messi then simply BOUGHT continuing success at Bayern and City.
No matter what he's won, there is a stand out difference between him and the rest there. Pep's the only one to have everything handed to him on a silver platter in every job he's had. The rest actually had to EARN their kudos themselves.
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posted on 13/10/21
It's a little bit hard to judge Luis Enrique due to lack of evidence how he performs outside Spanish football. He inherited a Barcelona side with not only fantastic players, but a very clear playing pattern. He did tweak the tactics - very effectively - but I guess it's easier to evolve from a position of ascendancy. His Spanish side isn't packed with players who know each other, so the coherence of their play is pretty impressive. That said, there is a recognisable 'Spanish style' of footballer and approach to tactics, so it's possibly easier to achieve that coherence with Spain than many other national sides. Moreover, a midfield that can call on Busquets, Thiago, Pedri, Koke, Rodri, Llorente (and can afford to leave behind the likes of Isco and Saul) is always going to give a half-decent manager the opportunity to control games.
I think the jury is out on Luis Enrique's claim to be an absolute elite manager - as you could perhaps have said about Guardiola before he went to Bayern and City.
If we're talking managers who impressed in international football this year, I'd offer up another name: Roberto Mancini. He has more titles (and more variety of experience and achievement) as a club manager, and Italy were not just the best side in this year's Euros, but playing in a thrilling, proactive style that was not typically Italian.
posted on 13/10/21
Good shout.
Must admit, i am guilty of having dismissed him as one of those 'anyone could win with Messi, Neymar and co' coaches that need to go and prove themselves elsewhere.
posted on 13/10/21
Mancini is also a good shout, however his time with City might rule him out of the future running for the United job.
posted on 13/10/21
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posted on 13/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
Mancini is also a good shout, however his time with City might rule him out of the future running for the United job.
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Why?
posted on 13/10/21
I think the jury is out on Luis Enrique's claim to be an absolute elite manager - as you could perhaps have said about Guardiola before he went to Bayern and City.
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And you can still say it now. Taking over at two ALREADY superb teams, with superb squads in depth and an unlimited transfer budget, is no true test of a manager's actual ability and ultimately "proves" nothing in Pep Guariola's case. Damn near ANY idiot can buy half a billion pounds worth of players and put together a team that plays well.
Pep is an elite manager by inheritance. And just like daddy lil rich trust fund brat. Until he's lost the trust fund and big fat leg up handed him by his predecessor, we never can and never will know if the man himself is truly elite or if it was just the "Team already at the top and infinite spending to stay there"
thing which has handed his title to him.
I don't care what he's won with Barca, Bayern or City I COULD feckin manage any one of those three to a title backed with the money he's spent, as could half this board easy. Unless Guardiola goes to a club without infinite spending and a legacy at the top already, there'll FOREVER be a question mark over his true ability. "Can he do it when not allowed to ps as much cash away as he likes." I don't think he can which is why he bails as soon as there's talking of spending being curtailed. A sure sign that he doesn't think he can himself either.
SAF = Brought/Restored glory
Wenger = Was Invincible and keeping kids among the elite for 10 years with feck all to spend.
Murinho = Done it all with broke-ass Porto
Pep = Inherited Barca, was gifted Messi then simply BOUGHT continuing success at Bayern and City.
No matter what he's won, there is a stand out difference between him and the rest there. Pep's the only one to have everything handed to him on a silver platter in every job he's had. The rest actually had to EARN their kudos themselves.
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