Shut up with your constant trolling. Ole deserves to stay right now... we aren't 18th we are 5 or so points off top.
The word toxic is overrated now days.
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 59 seconds ago
Shut up with your constant trolling. Ole deserves to stay right now... we aren't 18th we are 5 or so points off top.
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What's an "or so" of a point? like 5.0000orso points, or 5.0orso0000 points?
op does have a point, there does seem amongst some united fans a curious attachment to the manager in general, maybe that is an inevitable consequence of having had (one of) the best of all time in charge for so long, possibly currently exacerbated by having a former player in charge.
but the average tenure of a pl manager now is just over 2 years, and whilst some would point to how long pep and klopp have been given, ole's already survived longer than ranieri/jose's return to chelsea/conte, and is closing in on pellegrini, all of whom won the title before being chopped (and we could even throw in di matteo and avram grant if we want to).
and i do find it a bit odd that some fans are so dismissive of a call to sack the manager, but are quite willing to heap vitriol and abuse on the players.
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 1 minute ago
The word toxic is overrated now days.
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Very relevant for our fanbase though. For far too long dissenting voices were shut down by the "rose-tinted" ones.
We as a club have become like Pied Piper followers. Walking towards our own destruction unless there is a fundamental change of discourse amongst our fanbase.
The irony is strong in this article
Red Indian wants us to turn into Chelsea or Real Madrid. We are Man United and we do things OUR way. This clown would've sacked Fergie in 1989, but then again he was most likely born in 2001 and is used to the good times.
Ole in. Red Indian OUT.
op does have a point, there does seem amongst some united fans a curious attachment to the manager in general, maybe that is an inevitable consequence of having had (one of) the best of all time in charge for so long, possibly currently exacerbated by having a former player in charge.
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Its a cultural thing where a chunk of our fanbase (especially the Stretford Enders) think that makes us morally superior to the morally bankrupt clubs like the Oily clubs ,Spanish giants etc.
This practice of shutting down dissenting voices has continued since Fergie. I had critical views about SAF's management in his final couple of years but those voices were shut down by "We are still winning innit?"
Now that we have won fack all after he left those voices have changed the narrative to "We support all our managers" and "We are not like other clubs". As if its a good thing. Our fans are causing the biggest damage to the club.
I made.the fillowingnpoknt last night.
'Personally, I think the top clubs have such strong squads now, that the difference is the manager, and clubs can’t afford to, and shouldn’t hold out for the ideal manager'
'The aproach should be to get the best man you can, and back him for ar least 2 seasons'
If Norwich or Watford sacked their latest manager and the only two options they had available were Ole and Sam Allardyce. They'd choose Sam Allardyce, you might laugh but it wouldn't be far from the truth.
You're toxic, I'm slippin' under
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 15 seconds ago
I made.the fillowingnpoknt last night.
'Personally, I think the top clubs have such strong squads now, that the difference is the manager, and clubs can’t afford to, and shouldn’t hold out for the ideal manager'
'The aproach should be to get the best man you can, and back him for ar least 2 seasons'
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Ole has had 6 or 7 transfer windows now hasn't he? He still hasn't bought 1 midfielder and he sold our best midfielder (not his fault though but not replacing him was Ole's fault).
Honestly if we had Pep or Klopp with this squad we would be challenging for titles and winning a couple of tin pot cups like league cups. Ole is a substandard manager and has been backed way more than anyone.
City have had 3 managers in 12 years.
Al 3 have won the title
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 11 minutes ago
Shut up with your constant trolling. Ole deserves to stay right now... we aren't 18th we are 5 or so points off top.
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You are an idiot.
I just want what's best for the club, long term, short term, all the time. I've never classed myself as Ole in or out, I have wanted him to do well for us from the start because of who he is and how great it would be to see him win things with us, so I've probably given him longer than I would've done for someone like Jose who was supposedly meant to 'guarantee' success and titles (top titles). I think it's time for us to move on from him though as I don't think he's showing enough as a manager to take us further than he has done. I also don't think the football is good enough to give him leeway for not winning things, if we were great to watch but fell at the final hurdle repeatedly, you'd be more forgiving.
So I'm now on the 'Ole out' side I guess. But as a match going fan, when I'm in the ground and the whistle blows for kick off the team on the pitch and the manager will always get my support and I will always want them to get the win. If that's toxic then yeah I'm a toxic fan.
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 11 minutes ago
Shut up with your constant trolling. Ole deserves to stay right now... we aren't 18th we are 5 or so points off top.
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You are an idiot.
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He is sitting in front of his computer in his underpants laughing how he is able to troll so many folks on this site. Ignore him
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 seconds ago
I just want what's best for the club, long term, short term, all the time. I've never classed myself as Ole in or out, I have wanted him to do well for us from the start because of who he is and how great it would be to see him win things with us, so I've probably given him longer than I would've done for someone like Jose who was supposedly meant to 'guarantee' success and titles (top titles). I think it's time for us to move on from him though as I don't think he's showing enough as a manager to take us further than he has done. I also don't think the football is good enough to give him leeway for not winning things, if we were great to watch but fell at the final hurdle repeatedly, you'd be more forgiving.
So I'm now on the 'Ole out' side I guess. But as a match going fan, when I'm in the ground and the whistle blows for kick off the team on the pitch and the manager will always get my support and I will always want them to get the win. If that's toxic then yeah I'm a toxic fan.
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Are you a Stretford Bender, though?
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 57 seconds ago
If Norwich or Watford sacked their latest manager and the only two options they had available were Ole and Sam Allardyce. They'd choose Sam Allardyce, you might laugh but it wouldn't be far from the truth.
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Big Sam is definitely better than the smiling one.
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
If Norwich or Watford sacked their latest manager and the only two options they had available were Ole and Sam Allardyce. They'd choose Sam Allardyce, you might laugh but it wouldn't be far from the truth.
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Allardyce is actually a better manager than Ole. Would have made our defense more stronger than what Ole has. 4 clean sheets in 17 games now isn't it? Unacceptable and yet fans still want to give him time.
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 11 minutes ago
Shut up with your constant trolling. Ole deserves to stay right now... we aren't 18th we are 5 or so points off top.
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You are an idiot.
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He is sitting in front of his computer in his underpants laughing how he is able to troll so many folks on this site. Ignore him
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We all know this imbecile is not even a United fan. He's a troll.
As there twenty clubs in the PL that means nineteen managers are sacked every year.
It seems a lot to me.
Now that mediocre seems to be going out of fashion we've moved onto toxic. That is fashionable because it's easier to type on a phone than poisonous.
It certainly seems strange to me to choose faithful supporters, who pay a lot of money, to support the club through thick and thin and call them 'toxic'
The only possible explanation is that the writer is stupid.
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
I just want what's best for the club, long term, short term, all the time. I've never classed myself as Ole in or out, I have wanted him to do well for us from the start because of who he is and how great it would be to see him win things with us, so I've probably given him longer than I would've done for someone like Jose who was supposedly meant to 'guarantee' success and titles (top titles). I think it's time for us to move on from him though as I don't think he's showing enough as a manager to take us further than he has done. I also don't think the football is good enough to give him leeway for not winning things, if we were great to watch but fell at the final hurdle repeatedly, you'd be more forgiving.
So I'm now on the 'Ole out' side I guess. But as a match going fan, when I'm in the ground and the whistle blows for kick off the team on the pitch and the manager will always get my support and I will always want them to get the win. If that's toxic then yeah I'm a toxic fan.
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Hoping that Ole turns out to not be good enough is a million miles away from thinking he isn't good enough.
I'm the latter but I'm hoping to be proved wrong.
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
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Are you a Stretford Bender, though?
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It's not just the Streford End, ass pain wayne hates all match going fans.
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 11 minutes ago
Shut up with your constant trolling. Ole deserves to stay right now... we aren't 18th we are 5 or so points off top.
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You are an idiot.
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He is sitting in front of his computer in his underpants laughing how he is able to troll so many folks on this site. Ignore him
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Stop referring to yourself in the third person you clown
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 21 seconds ago
It certainly seems strange to me to choose faithful supporters, who pay a lot of money, to support the club through thick and thin and call them 'toxic'
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Supporting the club doesn't mean acting blind and putting down dissenting voices. That is what OT regulars have done over the years. It worked when Fergie was here. It's similar to someone ignoring all red flags in their cheating gf just because she has great tids.
Now we no longer have Fergusson, its the match day going fans who should be shouting for change instead they bury their heads in the sand and keep singing "Ole at the wheel". We are becoming a laughing stock. Our opponents want us to give Ole another 6 year contract. Tell me what does that say?
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posted on 18/10/21
Shut up with your constant trolling. Ole deserves to stay right now... we aren't 18th we are 5 or so points off top.
posted on 18/10/21
The word toxic is overrated now days.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 59 seconds ago
Shut up with your constant trolling. Ole deserves to stay right now... we aren't 18th we are 5 or so points off top.
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What's an "or so" of a point? like 5.0000orso points, or 5.0orso0000 points?
posted on 18/10/21
op does have a point, there does seem amongst some united fans a curious attachment to the manager in general, maybe that is an inevitable consequence of having had (one of) the best of all time in charge for so long, possibly currently exacerbated by having a former player in charge.
but the average tenure of a pl manager now is just over 2 years, and whilst some would point to how long pep and klopp have been given, ole's already survived longer than ranieri/jose's return to chelsea/conte, and is closing in on pellegrini, all of whom won the title before being chopped (and we could even throw in di matteo and avram grant if we want to).
and i do find it a bit odd that some fans are so dismissive of a call to sack the manager, but are quite willing to heap vitriol and abuse on the players.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 1 minute ago
The word toxic is overrated now days.
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Very relevant for our fanbase though. For far too long dissenting voices were shut down by the "rose-tinted" ones.
We as a club have become like Pied Piper followers. Walking towards our own destruction unless there is a fundamental change of discourse amongst our fanbase.
posted on 18/10/21
The irony is strong in this article
posted on 18/10/21
Red Indian wants us to turn into Chelsea or Real Madrid. We are Man United and we do things OUR way. This clown would've sacked Fergie in 1989, but then again he was most likely born in 2001 and is used to the good times.
Ole in. Red Indian OUT.
posted on 18/10/21
op does have a point, there does seem amongst some united fans a curious attachment to the manager in general, maybe that is an inevitable consequence of having had (one of) the best of all time in charge for so long, possibly currently exacerbated by having a former player in charge.
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Its a cultural thing where a chunk of our fanbase (especially the Stretford Enders) think that makes us morally superior to the morally bankrupt clubs like the Oily clubs ,Spanish giants etc.
This practice of shutting down dissenting voices has continued since Fergie. I had critical views about SAF's management in his final couple of years but those voices were shut down by "We are still winning innit?"
Now that we have won fack all after he left those voices have changed the narrative to "We support all our managers" and "We are not like other clubs". As if its a good thing. Our fans are causing the biggest damage to the club.
posted on 18/10/21
I made.the fillowingnpoknt last night.
'Personally, I think the top clubs have such strong squads now, that the difference is the manager, and clubs can’t afford to, and shouldn’t hold out for the ideal manager'
'The aproach should be to get the best man you can, and back him for ar least 2 seasons'
posted on 18/10/21
If Norwich or Watford sacked their latest manager and the only two options they had available were Ole and Sam Allardyce. They'd choose Sam Allardyce, you might laugh but it wouldn't be far from the truth.
posted on 18/10/21
You're toxic, I'm slippin' under
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 15 seconds ago
I made.the fillowingnpoknt last night.
'Personally, I think the top clubs have such strong squads now, that the difference is the manager, and clubs can’t afford to, and shouldn’t hold out for the ideal manager'
'The aproach should be to get the best man you can, and back him for ar least 2 seasons'
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Ole has had 6 or 7 transfer windows now hasn't he? He still hasn't bought 1 midfielder and he sold our best midfielder (not his fault though but not replacing him was Ole's fault).
Honestly if we had Pep or Klopp with this squad we would be challenging for titles and winning a couple of tin pot cups like league cups. Ole is a substandard manager and has been backed way more than anyone.
posted on 18/10/21
City have had 3 managers in 12 years.
Al 3 have won the title
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 11 minutes ago
Shut up with your constant trolling. Ole deserves to stay right now... we aren't 18th we are 5 or so points off top.
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You are an idiot.
posted on 18/10/21
I just want what's best for the club, long term, short term, all the time. I've never classed myself as Ole in or out, I have wanted him to do well for us from the start because of who he is and how great it would be to see him win things with us, so I've probably given him longer than I would've done for someone like Jose who was supposedly meant to 'guarantee' success and titles (top titles). I think it's time for us to move on from him though as I don't think he's showing enough as a manager to take us further than he has done. I also don't think the football is good enough to give him leeway for not winning things, if we were great to watch but fell at the final hurdle repeatedly, you'd be more forgiving.
So I'm now on the 'Ole out' side I guess. But as a match going fan, when I'm in the ground and the whistle blows for kick off the team on the pitch and the manager will always get my support and I will always want them to get the win. If that's toxic then yeah I'm a toxic fan.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 11 minutes ago
Shut up with your constant trolling. Ole deserves to stay right now... we aren't 18th we are 5 or so points off top.
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You are an idiot.
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He is sitting in front of his computer in his underpants laughing how he is able to troll so many folks on this site. Ignore him
posted on 18/10/21
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 seconds ago
I just want what's best for the club, long term, short term, all the time. I've never classed myself as Ole in or out, I have wanted him to do well for us from the start because of who he is and how great it would be to see him win things with us, so I've probably given him longer than I would've done for someone like Jose who was supposedly meant to 'guarantee' success and titles (top titles). I think it's time for us to move on from him though as I don't think he's showing enough as a manager to take us further than he has done. I also don't think the football is good enough to give him leeway for not winning things, if we were great to watch but fell at the final hurdle repeatedly, you'd be more forgiving.
So I'm now on the 'Ole out' side I guess. But as a match going fan, when I'm in the ground and the whistle blows for kick off the team on the pitch and the manager will always get my support and I will always want them to get the win. If that's toxic then yeah I'm a toxic fan.
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Are you a Stretford Bender, though?
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 57 seconds ago
If Norwich or Watford sacked their latest manager and the only two options they had available were Ole and Sam Allardyce. They'd choose Sam Allardyce, you might laugh but it wouldn't be far from the truth.
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Big Sam is definitely better than the smiling one.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
If Norwich or Watford sacked their latest manager and the only two options they had available were Ole and Sam Allardyce. They'd choose Sam Allardyce, you might laugh but it wouldn't be far from the truth.
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Allardyce is actually a better manager than Ole. Would have made our defense more stronger than what Ole has. 4 clean sheets in 17 games now isn't it? Unacceptable and yet fans still want to give him time.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 11 minutes ago
Shut up with your constant trolling. Ole deserves to stay right now... we aren't 18th we are 5 or so points off top.
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You are an idiot.
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He is sitting in front of his computer in his underpants laughing how he is able to troll so many folks on this site. Ignore him
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We all know this imbecile is not even a United fan. He's a troll.
posted on 18/10/21
As there twenty clubs in the PL that means nineteen managers are sacked every year.
It seems a lot to me.
Now that mediocre seems to be going out of fashion we've moved onto toxic. That is fashionable because it's easier to type on a phone than poisonous.
It certainly seems strange to me to choose faithful supporters, who pay a lot of money, to support the club through thick and thin and call them 'toxic'
The only possible explanation is that the writer is stupid.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
I just want what's best for the club, long term, short term, all the time. I've never classed myself as Ole in or out, I have wanted him to do well for us from the start because of who he is and how great it would be to see him win things with us, so I've probably given him longer than I would've done for someone like Jose who was supposedly meant to 'guarantee' success and titles (top titles). I think it's time for us to move on from him though as I don't think he's showing enough as a manager to take us further than he has done. I also don't think the football is good enough to give him leeway for not winning things, if we were great to watch but fell at the final hurdle repeatedly, you'd be more forgiving.
So I'm now on the 'Ole out' side I guess. But as a match going fan, when I'm in the ground and the whistle blows for kick off the team on the pitch and the manager will always get my support and I will always want them to get the win. If that's toxic then yeah I'm a toxic fan.
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Hoping that Ole turns out to not be good enough is a million miles away from thinking he isn't good enough.
I'm the latter but I'm hoping to be proved wrong.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
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Are you a Stretford Bender, though?
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It's not just the Streford End, ass pain wayne hates all match going fans.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 11 minutes ago
Shut up with your constant trolling. Ole deserves to stay right now... we aren't 18th we are 5 or so points off top.
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You are an idiot.
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He is sitting in front of his computer in his underpants laughing how he is able to troll so many folks on this site. Ignore him
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Stop referring to yourself in the third person you clown
posted on 18/10/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 21 seconds ago
It certainly seems strange to me to choose faithful supporters, who pay a lot of money, to support the club through thick and thin and call them 'toxic'
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Supporting the club doesn't mean acting blind and putting down dissenting voices. That is what OT regulars have done over the years. It worked when Fergie was here. It's similar to someone ignoring all red flags in their cheating gf just because she has great tids.
Now we no longer have Fergusson, its the match day going fans who should be shouting for change instead they bury their heads in the sand and keep singing "Ole at the wheel". We are becoming a laughing stock. Our opponents want us to give Ole another 6 year contract. Tell me what does that say?
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