I am an immigrant to the United States. Have a double masters, work for one of the FAANG companies and yet it will be 100 years (officially on paper) before I get an American citizenship.
While a Mexican illegal immigrant or a random tax driver from Turkey or Albania in New York can get it in 6 months
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am an immigrant to the United States. Have a double masters, work for one of the FAANG companies and yet it will be 100 years (officially on paper) before I get an American citizenship.
While a Mexican illegal immigrant or a random tax driver from Turkey or Albania in New York can get it in 6 months
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Can they? Citation please
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Refugees are a given. We profiteer from war, we should sure as shet deal with the consequences.
Outside of that immigration should be structured in a way that benefits the economy. Which pre Brexit, it was.
I have written before on this. Biggest problem is the lack of fundamentalism! What do we want and why?
Seems, like every country, we want more people purely to fuel growth? But we don't have a plan of where to put them, what they should do, how they should live, how they can be integrated. That is even before we assess how many is too many for this limited land mass country.
Sure, at the top level we need all types of health and care workers, and seemingly farm workers and HGV drivers? I am sure we would benefit from way more than that but again there seems no plan to assess that and implement an appropriate immigration strategy far less infrastructure, housing, employment and tax strategies to accommodate that strategy.
Just another depressing aspect of UK plc.
Just let skilled workers have a way in, allow enough young people working holiday visas that they can do jobs other might not fancy for a year and have an opportunity to show their value to the country if they wanna stay.
Refugees are trickier but as said above we surely should have some obligation
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comment by Robbb Conte (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am an immigrant to the United States. Have a double masters, work for one of the FAANG companies and yet it will be 100 years (officially on paper) before I get an American citizenship.
While a Mexican illegal immigrant or a random tax driver from Turkey or Albania in New York can get it in 6 months
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Can they? Citation please
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Check the wait listing times for non-immigrant visa's like H1-B visa on USCIS website. For someone from China/ India the wait times are 100+ years no matter how highly qualified they are. In addition to that you have to submit all the documentation right from your birth certificate, address, tax records etc. Legal Immigration is a farce in America.
Illegals can cross the border and get citizenship whilst legal immigrants who spend tens of thousands on education plus pay state and federal tax are still not guaranteed citizenship.
I think there are too many nuances and misleading headlines when it comes to immigration.
What I mean is that usually we just immigrants into one category, when there are several. Each having seperate issues.
We also have headlines that don't represent a true picture. So schooling and NHS, for an example, aren't in the mire due to immigration but a series of bad planning and Govts ideas. Which when it goes teeets up is placed on the shoulders of too much immigration.
I think what you're asking for is already in place. Strict criteria needs to be met in order to obtain a visa, of which there are many types, including visas granted to people employed in jobs which are needed, in order to sustain the country, student visas, family visas so that your husband/wife and children can join you and of course refugees, which are a different process altogether.
There seems to be a false belief among many that anybody can come here for whatever reason which is simply not the case.
Last year, which figures obviously were skewed due to the pandemic, with three times fewer visa applications, half a million visas were rejected. Most of these were visitor visas. As you'd expect a low percentage of working visas were rejected, since these are people who are needed. Family and dependant visas saw over 20% of those rejected as they have to prove they will be able to sustain themselves without public funds.
Long story short is if they don't benefit the UK, outside of the former agreement of with the EU with free movement, they will be rejected.
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 16 minutes ago
I am an immigrant to the United States. Have a double masters, work for one of the FAANG companies and yet it will be 100 years (officially on paper) before I get an American citizenship.
While a Mexican illegal immigrant or a random tax driver from Turkey or Albania in New York can get it in 6 months
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Are you confusing with their kids born there with parents? Or asylum seekers?
The strategy that has been adopted is so focussed on headline rates and creating sound bites that it is not fit for purpose.
Immigration is essential but we should look to reduce our reliance on it and instead look to train and develop the indigenous population to meet the countries employment needs.
This country cannot sustain massive population growth so over time immigration needs to be reduced. If this sits alongside a strategy to better train Brtisih citizens then we become more self sufficient over time, can adopt an approach that targets the immigration we need to meet skill shortfalls but always prioritising our citizen and creating opportunities for them.
Making big gestures now in reducing immigration numbers is like banning cars so that people are forced on to public transport but not having the public transport infrastructure to cope with this.
Here’s a question. Can capitalist countries survive without mass immigration of workers who will be happy to work peanuts. I think not.
Very little evidence to say immigration is bad and lots of evidence to say it's good.
Don't see the problem.
I think a lot of people get immigration mixed up with illegal immigration and then get further mixed up about what those illegal immigrants can access as a result... which is pretty much nothing.
I know this country has gone down the toilet in the last 12 years though, that much is certain.
I used to be so proud of us being arguably the most tolerant country in the world but this government has enable all the bigots unfortunately and we've gone back about 50 years.
It is far easier to illegally migrate to UK/US than it is to legally migrate
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 34 seconds ago
It is far easier to illegally migrate to UK/US than it is to legally migrate
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Once these ‘illegal’ immigrants arrive on shore - please enlighten me on how easy their lives are? What do they get on arrival and are there lives better off than ‘legal’ immigrants?
comment by Robbb Conte (U22716)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 34 seconds ago
It is far easier to illegally migrate to UK/US than it is to legally migrate
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Once these ‘illegal’ immigrants arrive on shore - please enlighten me on how easy their lives are? What do they get on arrival and are there lives better off than ‘legal’ immigrants?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Depends on how fast you get your asylum status...
comment by Robbb Conte (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 34 seconds ago
It is far easier to illegally migrate to UK/US than it is to legally migrate
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Once these ‘illegal’ immigrants arrive on shore - please enlighten me on how easy their lives are? What do they get on arrival and are there lives better off than ‘legal’ immigrants?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not aware of UK but in America illegal immigrants can pick up any jobs right from a sweeper to a taxi driver to a 7-11 attendant. Personally know plenty of illegals. Plus they don't have to pay taxes since they are undocumented.
For legal immigrants you are completely bending yourself to the government. Work visas are modern day slavery. America needs legal immigrants that are highly skilled like engineers, doctors, scientists and yet USCIS is bent on making their life difficult. As a legal immigrant your entire immigration status is dependent on your employment. If you get fired leave the country along with your family within 60 days. Plus you are paying more taxes than residents.
Illegals can go fack themselves/
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Conte (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 34 seconds ago
It is far easier to illegally migrate to UK/US than it is to legally migrate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once these ‘illegal’ immigrants arrive on shore - please enlighten me on how easy their lives are? What do they get on arrival and are there lives better off than ‘legal’ immigrants?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not aware of UK but in America illegal immigrants can pick up any jobs right from a sweeper to a taxi driver to a 7-11 attendant. Personally know plenty of illegals. Plus they don't have to pay taxes since they are undocumented.
For legal immigrants you are completely bending yourself to the government. Work visas are modern day slavery. America needs legal immigrants that are highly skilled like engineers, doctors, scientists and yet USCIS is bent on making their life difficult. As a legal immigrant your entire immigration status is dependent on your employment. If you get fired leave the country along with your family within 60 days. Plus you are paying more taxes than residents.
Illegals can go fack themselves/
----------------------------------------------------------------------
‘Illegals’. Lovely.
Take out the ‘illegals’ from the USA and the country falls in on itself.
I shall simplify for all:
Immigrants = terrorists.
That is the majority of people's views who are against/worried about immigration.
No need to try and over complicate it.
comment by Robbb Conte (U22716)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 34 seconds ago
It is far easier to illegally migrate to UK/US than it is to legally migrate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once these ‘illegal’ immigrants arrive on shore - please enlighten me on how easy their lives are? What do they get on arrival and are there lives better off than ‘legal’ immigrants?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's also a widespread perception that claiming asylum is unlawful.
Regretfully the government has blocked off all safe routes for asylum seekers to claim refugee status, which has left the channel crossings (exploited by traffickers) the only means in which to come the UK from France.
In regard to immigration the Government's Migration Advisory Committee's report (think it was 2019) was the most comprehensive ever completed which helped debunk the vast majority of immigration myths peddled by some.
Regretfully the government chose to ignore most of it's findings/recommendations when tabling the recent Nationality and Borders Bill.
Isn’t it a thing in the UK or coming in soon where it’ll soon be legal to kill or watch an asylum seeker die at sea with no prosecution for the UK border force overseers?
I think it's transcended a right/left thing now, immigration's just seen as a general bogeyman, and nobody's making any coherent arguments about the benefits (reducing population age, increased demand, the fact that immigrants are generally entrepreneurial, increased diversity, a more flexible labour market etc.) and concentrate on cultural disharmony and the fallacy that immigration costs people jobs (on the false assumption that the number of jobs remains fixed).
It's all wrapped up in nativism now. I read a good quote somewhere that said that hostility towards immigration is strongest in communities where the rate of immigration is very low, whereas areas with high rates of immigrants are more likely to appreciate the benefits of immigration. Says it all really.
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posted on 19/10/21
I am an immigrant to the United States. Have a double masters, work for one of the FAANG companies and yet it will be 100 years (officially on paper) before I get an American citizenship.
While a Mexican illegal immigrant or a random tax driver from Turkey or Albania in New York can get it in 6 months
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am an immigrant to the United States. Have a double masters, work for one of the FAANG companies and yet it will be 100 years (officially on paper) before I get an American citizenship.
While a Mexican illegal immigrant or a random tax driver from Turkey or Albania in New York can get it in 6 months
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can they? Citation please
posted on 19/10/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 19/10/21
Refugees are a given. We profiteer from war, we should sure as shet deal with the consequences.
Outside of that immigration should be structured in a way that benefits the economy. Which pre Brexit, it was.
posted on 19/10/21
I have written before on this. Biggest problem is the lack of fundamentalism! What do we want and why?
Seems, like every country, we want more people purely to fuel growth? But we don't have a plan of where to put them, what they should do, how they should live, how they can be integrated. That is even before we assess how many is too many for this limited land mass country.
Sure, at the top level we need all types of health and care workers, and seemingly farm workers and HGV drivers? I am sure we would benefit from way more than that but again there seems no plan to assess that and implement an appropriate immigration strategy far less infrastructure, housing, employment and tax strategies to accommodate that strategy.
Just another depressing aspect of UK plc.
posted on 19/10/21
Just let skilled workers have a way in, allow enough young people working holiday visas that they can do jobs other might not fancy for a year and have an opportunity to show their value to the country if they wanna stay.
Refugees are trickier but as said above we surely should have some obligation
posted on 19/10/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Robbb Conte (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am an immigrant to the United States. Have a double masters, work for one of the FAANG companies and yet it will be 100 years (officially on paper) before I get an American citizenship.
While a Mexican illegal immigrant or a random tax driver from Turkey or Albania in New York can get it in 6 months
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can they? Citation please
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Check the wait listing times for non-immigrant visa's like H1-B visa on USCIS website. For someone from China/ India the wait times are 100+ years no matter how highly qualified they are. In addition to that you have to submit all the documentation right from your birth certificate, address, tax records etc. Legal Immigration is a farce in America.
Illegals can cross the border and get citizenship whilst legal immigrants who spend tens of thousands on education plus pay state and federal tax are still not guaranteed citizenship.
posted on 19/10/21
I think there are too many nuances and misleading headlines when it comes to immigration.
What I mean is that usually we just immigrants into one category, when there are several. Each having seperate issues.
We also have headlines that don't represent a true picture. So schooling and NHS, for an example, aren't in the mire due to immigration but a series of bad planning and Govts ideas. Which when it goes teeets up is placed on the shoulders of too much immigration.
posted on 19/10/21
I think what you're asking for is already in place. Strict criteria needs to be met in order to obtain a visa, of which there are many types, including visas granted to people employed in jobs which are needed, in order to sustain the country, student visas, family visas so that your husband/wife and children can join you and of course refugees, which are a different process altogether.
There seems to be a false belief among many that anybody can come here for whatever reason which is simply not the case.
Last year, which figures obviously were skewed due to the pandemic, with three times fewer visa applications, half a million visas were rejected. Most of these were visitor visas. As you'd expect a low percentage of working visas were rejected, since these are people who are needed. Family and dependant visas saw over 20% of those rejected as they have to prove they will be able to sustain themselves without public funds.
Long story short is if they don't benefit the UK, outside of the former agreement of with the EU with free movement, they will be rejected.
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 16 minutes ago
I am an immigrant to the United States. Have a double masters, work for one of the FAANG companies and yet it will be 100 years (officially on paper) before I get an American citizenship.
While a Mexican illegal immigrant or a random tax driver from Turkey or Albania in New York can get it in 6 months
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you confusing with their kids born there with parents? Or asylum seekers?
posted on 19/10/21
The strategy that has been adopted is so focussed on headline rates and creating sound bites that it is not fit for purpose.
Immigration is essential but we should look to reduce our reliance on it and instead look to train and develop the indigenous population to meet the countries employment needs.
This country cannot sustain massive population growth so over time immigration needs to be reduced. If this sits alongside a strategy to better train Brtisih citizens then we become more self sufficient over time, can adopt an approach that targets the immigration we need to meet skill shortfalls but always prioritising our citizen and creating opportunities for them.
Making big gestures now in reducing immigration numbers is like banning cars so that people are forced on to public transport but not having the public transport infrastructure to cope with this.
posted on 19/10/21
Here’s a question. Can capitalist countries survive without mass immigration of workers who will be happy to work peanuts. I think not.
posted on 19/10/21
*work for peanuts
posted on 19/10/21
Very little evidence to say immigration is bad and lots of evidence to say it's good.
Don't see the problem.
I think a lot of people get immigration mixed up with illegal immigration and then get further mixed up about what those illegal immigrants can access as a result... which is pretty much nothing.
I know this country has gone down the toilet in the last 12 years though, that much is certain.
I used to be so proud of us being arguably the most tolerant country in the world but this government has enable all the bigots unfortunately and we've gone back about 50 years.
posted on 19/10/21
It is far easier to illegally migrate to UK/US than it is to legally migrate
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 34 seconds ago
It is far easier to illegally migrate to UK/US than it is to legally migrate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once these ‘illegal’ immigrants arrive on shore - please enlighten me on how easy their lives are? What do they get on arrival and are there lives better off than ‘legal’ immigrants?
posted on 19/10/21
*their lives
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Robbb Conte (U22716)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 34 seconds ago
It is far easier to illegally migrate to UK/US than it is to legally migrate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once these ‘illegal’ immigrants arrive on shore - please enlighten me on how easy their lives are? What do they get on arrival and are there lives better off than ‘legal’ immigrants?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Depends on how fast you get your asylum status...
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Robbb Conte (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 34 seconds ago
It is far easier to illegally migrate to UK/US than it is to legally migrate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once these ‘illegal’ immigrants arrive on shore - please enlighten me on how easy their lives are? What do they get on arrival and are there lives better off than ‘legal’ immigrants?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not aware of UK but in America illegal immigrants can pick up any jobs right from a sweeper to a taxi driver to a 7-11 attendant. Personally know plenty of illegals. Plus they don't have to pay taxes since they are undocumented.
For legal immigrants you are completely bending yourself to the government. Work visas are modern day slavery. America needs legal immigrants that are highly skilled like engineers, doctors, scientists and yet USCIS is bent on making their life difficult. As a legal immigrant your entire immigration status is dependent on your employment. If you get fired leave the country along with your family within 60 days. Plus you are paying more taxes than residents.
Illegals can go fack themselves/
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Conte (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 34 seconds ago
It is far easier to illegally migrate to UK/US than it is to legally migrate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once these ‘illegal’ immigrants arrive on shore - please enlighten me on how easy their lives are? What do they get on arrival and are there lives better off than ‘legal’ immigrants?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not aware of UK but in America illegal immigrants can pick up any jobs right from a sweeper to a taxi driver to a 7-11 attendant. Personally know plenty of illegals. Plus they don't have to pay taxes since they are undocumented.
For legal immigrants you are completely bending yourself to the government. Work visas are modern day slavery. America needs legal immigrants that are highly skilled like engineers, doctors, scientists and yet USCIS is bent on making their life difficult. As a legal immigrant your entire immigration status is dependent on your employment. If you get fired leave the country along with your family within 60 days. Plus you are paying more taxes than residents.
Illegals can go fack themselves/
----------------------------------------------------------------------
‘Illegals’. Lovely.
Take out the ‘illegals’ from the USA and the country falls in on itself.
posted on 19/10/21
I shall simplify for all:
Immigrants = terrorists.
That is the majority of people's views who are against/worried about immigration.
No need to try and over complicate it.
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Robbb Conte (U22716)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 34 seconds ago
It is far easier to illegally migrate to UK/US than it is to legally migrate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once these ‘illegal’ immigrants arrive on shore - please enlighten me on how easy their lives are? What do they get on arrival and are there lives better off than ‘legal’ immigrants?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's also a widespread perception that claiming asylum is unlawful.
Regretfully the government has blocked off all safe routes for asylum seekers to claim refugee status, which has left the channel crossings (exploited by traffickers) the only means in which to come the UK from France.
In regard to immigration the Government's Migration Advisory Committee's report (think it was 2019) was the most comprehensive ever completed which helped debunk the vast majority of immigration myths peddled by some.
Regretfully the government chose to ignore most of it's findings/recommendations when tabling the recent Nationality and Borders Bill.
posted on 19/10/21
Isn’t it a thing in the UK or coming in soon where it’ll soon be legal to kill or watch an asylum seeker die at sea with no prosecution for the UK border force overseers?
posted on 19/10/21
I think it's transcended a right/left thing now, immigration's just seen as a general bogeyman, and nobody's making any coherent arguments about the benefits (reducing population age, increased demand, the fact that immigrants are generally entrepreneurial, increased diversity, a more flexible labour market etc.) and concentrate on cultural disharmony and the fallacy that immigration costs people jobs (on the false assumption that the number of jobs remains fixed).
It's all wrapped up in nativism now. I read a good quote somewhere that said that hostility towards immigration is strongest in communities where the rate of immigration is very low, whereas areas with high rates of immigrants are more likely to appreciate the benefits of immigration. Says it all really.
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