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Just looking at some stats and the number of secondary school children fell from around 2002.
It was during this time that a lot if secondary schools closed and combined to become academies, locally anyway.
We have known figures from primary school went up so ultimately when these kids got older they would need secondary school places, so bad planning?
On one site the figures for primary school have been calculated to about 2027 and they reckon the figures will remain static until then. The increase (I mentioned 10% before) will be about up to about 15% by 2027 for secondary. So we have the data already. But what providions ar being made? This is for what we have already
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Rest in Peace Lucky Dube - Nobody can stop Reggae (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
"According to the most recent Government figures released in November 2020, 268,385 homes in England had been empty for at least six months. These are what Action on Empty Homes refers to as “long term” empty properties"
Why then would there be a shortage? Obviously this is down to policy, strategy and governance but blaming immigrants is an excuse/distraction that works very well in this country because it is readily accepted, and that's disappointing mainly because misidentifying the cause of a problem means you'll never fix it.
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Who was blaming migrants for the housing shortage?
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posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Rest in Peace Lucky Dube ... (U1282)
posted 50 minutes ago
"According to the most recent Government figures released in November 2020, 268,385 homes in England had been empty for at least six months. These are what Action on Empty Homes refers to as “long term” empty properties"
Why then would there be a shortage? Obviously this is down to policy, strategy and governance but blaming immigrants is an excuse/distraction that works very well in this country because it is readily accepted, and that's disappointing mainly because misidentifying the cause of a problem means you'll never fix it.
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Yeah that was the report I was alluding to when I said circa 300k empty properties (in my response to Don)
Also why I was saying that the "shortage" is misleading generally.
The issue is certain high end places (London, oxford, Brighton) where the demand is high for "affordable housing". Again not necessarily a shortage but about affordability.
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Yeah. We are talking about a shortage of affordable housing.
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Rest in Peace Lucky Dube - Nobody can stop Reggae (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
"According to the most recent Government figures released in November 2020, 268,385 homes in England had been empty for at least six months. These are what Action on Empty Homes refers to as “long term” empty properties"
Why then would there be a shortage? Obviously this is down to policy, strategy and governance but blaming immigrants is an excuse/distraction that works very well in this country because it is readily accepted, and that's disappointing mainly because misidentifying the cause of a problem means you'll never fix it.
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Who was blaming migrants for the housing shortage?
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Theresa May
https://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2016/jan/25/is-immigration-causing-the-uk-housing-crisis
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Rest in Peace Lucky Dube ... (U1282)
posted 50 minutes ago
"According to the most recent Government figures released in November 2020, 268,385 homes in England had been empty for at least six months. These are what Action on Empty Homes refers to as “long term” empty properties"
Why then would there be a shortage? Obviously this is down to policy, strategy and governance but blaming immigrants is an excuse/distraction that works very well in this country because it is readily accepted, and that's disappointing mainly because misidentifying the cause of a problem means you'll never fix it.
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Yeah that was the report I was alluding to when I said circa 300k empty properties (in my response to Don)
Also why I was saying that the "shortage" is misleading generally.
The issue is certain high end places (London, oxford, Brighton) where the demand is high for "affordable housing". Again not necessarily a shortage but about affordability.
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Yeah. We are talking about a shortage of affordable housing.
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I did not think we were.
It's always presented as a shortage of housing. My point was to say things aren't as they are presented, whether that's immigration, housing, education or the NHS.
If an immigrant with kids is given access to a house quicker than a non immigrant then it's due to the points system. Doesn't mean the non immigrant isn't given a house. Just one thats suitable to them.
Affordable housing in itself is also not straight forward. In some areas housing is expensive. If you can't afford it do what most of us do and find one elsewhere where it is.
If your in social housing then to a degree you have to be given a whats available. Not wanting a specific house in a specific area isn't a "shortage" neither is not getting given one in a specific area.
As someone who worked in the local authority locally I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally. It's shortage specific to what a person feels they need. But even those of us who buy houses we have budgets and ideals but go with what we can afford or gets an offer accepted.
I've never got the house I've wanted, when buying. It's always been a second or third choice (if not more). Even my current house I got as 3rd choice. I was reluctant at first due to the area but was desperate as I had a disabled child so bought it. Turns out it was great and have since extended etc. The area I wanted had one house that already had an offer and one outside my price range. Not many houses get sold there as it's a good area. If I was on the social housing ladder then no way I get a house there but not because of shortages of social housing locally.
I also have another house now and I get letters.posyed by people wanting to rent it. I have no intention of letting it. I bought it to do up and sell and make some money. Those people won't be buying it as they won't be able to afford it. But they can't say it's an empty property or that there is a shortage. A mile up the road there are loads to let.
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comment by United we win (U19958)
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Can anyone get a social house regardless of income?
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Yes
- If you hide your source of income through fraudulent claims
- Genuinely qualify for social housing but income later rises, there is no obligation on the tenant to relinquish the property and move out to private rental system.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 38 minutes ago
Can anyone get a social house regardless of income?
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Not sure if it's the same for all local authorities but locally it's a points based system.
At one stage you were given a band, so band one was urgent and band 4 the least urgent.
Basically if you are about to be homeless you are priority. If you have a house but looking to move then less so.
A person in a 2 bed with 3 daughters is less of a priority than a person with 2 girls and a boy living in same. Sort of like girls can share but a boy and girl can't type of thing.
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 9 minutes ago
Can anyone get a social house regardless of income?
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Yes
- If you hide your source of income through fraudulent claims
- Genuinely qualify for social housing but income later rises, there is no obligation on the tenant to relinquish the property and move out to private rental system.
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The latter part is twofold. People in houses that they did need but now kids have moved on etc but won't move into smaller one. Govt initiatives to take back will get stick.
Also older people who "buy" the house, usually kids etc buy it and then it's theirs after older person passes. They them rent it or sell it to make money.
As an example a bloke in Chorley bought his mum's granny bungalow for 12k. Sold it for over 100k few years later.
Family near me got a council house due to circumstances, they had a rented property but played on circumstances and got a council house. Then claimed harassment and had to be rehoused. Got a nice 3 bed semi. After 5 years of total renting they got a massive discount so bought the house. Around £50k. Now it's worth around 150k which is big money around here for a house.
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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May as well be for some who dont drive.
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 3 minutes ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Asylum seekers per SE don't have that motivation. You can't on one hand say it's mainly young men wanting to send money home then saybits family reasons. I mean general you not you here.
Also if reports are to be believed, and Australia did one. They found majority of asylum seekers don't leave their country to go too far away. See Syria for example.
The report also says the determination of country is often not the asylum seekers choice but rather the choice of those handling their movement. Usually people smugglers with what we see with the boats etc.
So maybe the focus should be on the people smugglers from here who are keen toakeoney from misery?
Check out full facts. They have some really good studies on these topics
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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May as well be for some who dont drive.
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I'm trying to have a decent discussion with you bit comments like that are really annoying. Shows you have a mindset and that's that
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
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Thats not the idea that English media feeds its people. They're told that the situation is dire and something must be done immediately.
The best way to captivate this audience is to talk about immigration. If a politician gets it right re immigration then they can get away with pretty much anything else. People will overlook a lot of sheet so long as you keep your immigration policy on point, which should tell you where priorities lie..
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
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Didn't Germany take in 1m ?
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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May as well be for some who dont drive.
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I'm trying to have a decent discussion with you bit comments like that are really annoying. Shows you have a mindset and that's that
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Sorry, but 30 miles for some people may as well be another country.
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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May as well be for some who dont drive.
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I'm trying to have a decent discussion with you bit comments like that are really annoying. Shows you have a mindset and that's that
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Sorry, but 30 miles for some people may as well be another country.
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Not the vast majority who know how to catch a bus. Hang on, perhaps the family have a car.
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
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Didn't Germany take in 1m ?
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In one go.There was also regular immigration in addition to that.
A number of countries in the world have taken in millions and nearly all of these countries are much poorer than UK. I'm surprised these countries did not implode and many are making some progress in fact.
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
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Didn't Germany take in 1m ?
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In one go.There was also regular immigration in addition to that.
A number of countries in the world have taken in millions and nearly all of these countries are much poorer than UK. I'm surprised these countries did not implode and many are making some progress in fact.
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i was qustion8nf thr claim
i was questioning the claim that most fleeing Syria stayed in neighbouring countries.
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comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
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Didn't Germany take in 1m ?
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In one go.There was also regular immigration in addition to that.
A number of countries in the world have taken in millions and nearly all of these countries are much poorer than UK. I'm surprised these countries did not implode and many are making some progress in fact.
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i was qustion8nf thr claim
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I know. I thought I was backing you up
comment by Don (U22703)
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comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
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Didn't Germany take in 1m ?
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Dont think so.
Not just Syria alone.
I've seen stats of 100k for Germany but again not specifically Syrian.
Stats show that 6.7m syrians were displaced. Britain took in 20k
Think turkey took in about 3m
I personally know of some who went to Sudan. This is the family if a Syrian doctor from Cumbria. He also has siblings who work in quite decent rioes. So one brother is a dentist etc. The siblings had already moved to Germany, Sweden etc to ply their trade prior to the displacements. The parents had visited UK prior too. Had gone back after their holiday. Once the displacement happen they moved to Sudan and then back to Syria.
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Just looking at some stats and the number of secondary school children fell from around 2002.
It was during this time that a lot if secondary schools closed and combined to become academies, locally anyway.
We have known figures from primary school went up so ultimately when these kids got older they would need secondary school places, so bad planning?
On one site the figures for primary school have been calculated to about 2027 and they reckon the figures will remain static until then. The increase (I mentioned 10% before) will be about up to about 15% by 2027 for secondary. So we have the data already. But what providions ar being made? This is for what we have already
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Rest in Peace Lucky Dube - Nobody can stop Reggae (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
"According to the most recent Government figures released in November 2020, 268,385 homes in England had been empty for at least six months. These are what Action on Empty Homes refers to as “long term” empty properties"
Why then would there be a shortage? Obviously this is down to policy, strategy and governance but blaming immigrants is an excuse/distraction that works very well in this country because it is readily accepted, and that's disappointing mainly because misidentifying the cause of a problem means you'll never fix it.
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Who was blaming migrants for the housing shortage?
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Rest in Peace Lucky Dube ... (U1282)
posted 50 minutes ago
"According to the most recent Government figures released in November 2020, 268,385 homes in England had been empty for at least six months. These are what Action on Empty Homes refers to as “long term” empty properties"
Why then would there be a shortage? Obviously this is down to policy, strategy and governance but blaming immigrants is an excuse/distraction that works very well in this country because it is readily accepted, and that's disappointing mainly because misidentifying the cause of a problem means you'll never fix it.
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Yeah that was the report I was alluding to when I said circa 300k empty properties (in my response to Don)
Also why I was saying that the "shortage" is misleading generally.
The issue is certain high end places (London, oxford, Brighton) where the demand is high for "affordable housing". Again not necessarily a shortage but about affordability.
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Yeah. We are talking about a shortage of affordable housing.
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Rest in Peace Lucky Dube - Nobody can stop Reggae (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
"According to the most recent Government figures released in November 2020, 268,385 homes in England had been empty for at least six months. These are what Action on Empty Homes refers to as “long term” empty properties"
Why then would there be a shortage? Obviously this is down to policy, strategy and governance but blaming immigrants is an excuse/distraction that works very well in this country because it is readily accepted, and that's disappointing mainly because misidentifying the cause of a problem means you'll never fix it.
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Who was blaming migrants for the housing shortage?
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Theresa May
https://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2016/jan/25/is-immigration-causing-the-uk-housing-crisis
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Rest in Peace Lucky Dube ... (U1282)
posted 50 minutes ago
"According to the most recent Government figures released in November 2020, 268,385 homes in England had been empty for at least six months. These are what Action on Empty Homes refers to as “long term” empty properties"
Why then would there be a shortage? Obviously this is down to policy, strategy and governance but blaming immigrants is an excuse/distraction that works very well in this country because it is readily accepted, and that's disappointing mainly because misidentifying the cause of a problem means you'll never fix it.
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Yeah that was the report I was alluding to when I said circa 300k empty properties (in my response to Don)
Also why I was saying that the "shortage" is misleading generally.
The issue is certain high end places (London, oxford, Brighton) where the demand is high for "affordable housing". Again not necessarily a shortage but about affordability.
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Yeah. We are talking about a shortage of affordable housing.
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I did not think we were.
It's always presented as a shortage of housing. My point was to say things aren't as they are presented, whether that's immigration, housing, education or the NHS.
If an immigrant with kids is given access to a house quicker than a non immigrant then it's due to the points system. Doesn't mean the non immigrant isn't given a house. Just one thats suitable to them.
Affordable housing in itself is also not straight forward. In some areas housing is expensive. If you can't afford it do what most of us do and find one elsewhere where it is.
If your in social housing then to a degree you have to be given a whats available. Not wanting a specific house in a specific area isn't a "shortage" neither is not getting given one in a specific area.
As someone who worked in the local authority locally I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally. It's shortage specific to what a person feels they need. But even those of us who buy houses we have budgets and ideals but go with what we can afford or gets an offer accepted.
I've never got the house I've wanted, when buying. It's always been a second or third choice (if not more). Even my current house I got as 3rd choice. I was reluctant at first due to the area but was desperate as I had a disabled child so bought it. Turns out it was great and have since extended etc. The area I wanted had one house that already had an offer and one outside my price range. Not many houses get sold there as it's a good area. If I was on the social housing ladder then no way I get a house there but not because of shortages of social housing locally.
I also have another house now and I get letters.posyed by people wanting to rent it. I have no intention of letting it. I bought it to do up and sell and make some money. Those people won't be buying it as they won't be able to afford it. But they can't say it's an empty property or that there is a shortage. A mile up the road there are loads to let.
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 9 minutes ago
Can anyone get a social house regardless of income?
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Yes
- If you hide your source of income through fraudulent claims
- Genuinely qualify for social housing but income later rises, there is no obligation on the tenant to relinquish the property and move out to private rental system.
posted on 19/10/21
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 38 minutes ago
Can anyone get a social house regardless of income?
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Not sure if it's the same for all local authorities but locally it's a points based system.
At one stage you were given a band, so band one was urgent and band 4 the least urgent.
Basically if you are about to be homeless you are priority. If you have a house but looking to move then less so.
A person in a 2 bed with 3 daughters is less of a priority than a person with 2 girls and a boy living in same. Sort of like girls can share but a boy and girl can't type of thing.
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 9 minutes ago
Can anyone get a social house regardless of income?
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Yes
- If you hide your source of income through fraudulent claims
- Genuinely qualify for social housing but income later rises, there is no obligation on the tenant to relinquish the property and move out to private rental system.
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The latter part is twofold. People in houses that they did need but now kids have moved on etc but won't move into smaller one. Govt initiatives to take back will get stick.
Also older people who "buy" the house, usually kids etc buy it and then it's theirs after older person passes. They them rent it or sell it to make money.
As an example a bloke in Chorley bought his mum's granny bungalow for 12k. Sold it for over 100k few years later.
Family near me got a council house due to circumstances, they had a rented property but played on circumstances and got a council house. Then claimed harassment and had to be rehoused. Got a nice 3 bed semi. After 5 years of total renting they got a massive discount so bought the house. Around £50k. Now it's worth around 150k which is big money around here for a house.
posted on 19/10/21
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
posted on 19/10/21
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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May as well be for some who dont drive.
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 3 minutes ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Asylum seekers per SE don't have that motivation. You can't on one hand say it's mainly young men wanting to send money home then saybits family reasons. I mean general you not you here.
Also if reports are to be believed, and Australia did one. They found majority of asylum seekers don't leave their country to go too far away. See Syria for example.
The report also says the determination of country is often not the asylum seekers choice but rather the choice of those handling their movement. Usually people smugglers with what we see with the boats etc.
So maybe the focus should be on the people smugglers from here who are keen toakeoney from misery?
Check out full facts. They have some really good studies on these topics
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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May as well be for some who dont drive.
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I'm trying to have a decent discussion with you bit comments like that are really annoying. Shows you have a mindset and that's that
posted on 19/10/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
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Thats not the idea that English media feeds its people. They're told that the situation is dire and something must be done immediately.
The best way to captivate this audience is to talk about immigration. If a politician gets it right re immigration then they can get away with pretty much anything else. People will overlook a lot of sheet so long as you keep your immigration policy on point, which should tell you where priorities lie..
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
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Didn't Germany take in 1m ?
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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May as well be for some who dont drive.
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I'm trying to have a decent discussion with you bit comments like that are really annoying. Shows you have a mindset and that's that
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Sorry, but 30 miles for some people may as well be another country.
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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May as well be for some who dont drive.
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I'm trying to have a decent discussion with you bit comments like that are really annoying. Shows you have a mindset and that's that
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Sorry, but 30 miles for some people may as well be another country.
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Not the vast majority who know how to catch a bus. Hang on, perhaps the family have a car.
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
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Didn't Germany take in 1m ?
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In one go.There was also regular immigration in addition to that.
A number of countries in the world have taken in millions and nearly all of these countries are much poorer than UK. I'm surprised these countries did not implode and many are making some progress in fact.
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Rest in Peace Lucky Dube - Nobody can stop Reggae (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
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Didn't Germany take in 1m ?
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In one go.There was also regular immigration in addition to that.
A number of countries in the world have taken in millions and nearly all of these countries are much poorer than UK. I'm surprised these countries did not implode and many are making some progress in fact.
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i was qustion8nf thr claim
posted on 19/10/21
i was questioning the claim that most fleeing Syria stayed in neighbouring countries.
posted on 19/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Rest in Peace Lucky Dube - Nobody can stop Reggae (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
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Didn't Germany take in 1m ?
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In one go.There was also regular immigration in addition to that.
A number of countries in the world have taken in millions and nearly all of these countries are much poorer than UK. I'm surprised these countries did not implode and many are making some progress in fact.
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i was qustion8nf thr claim
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I know. I thought I was backing you up
posted on 20/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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In refugee council interviews, two thirds of those who came to UK said it wasn't their initial destination.
Of the millions of people displaced in Syria only 20k came to UK. Most settled in neighbouring countries
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Didn't Germany take in 1m ?
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Dont think so.
Not just Syria alone.
I've seen stats of 100k for Germany but again not specifically Syrian.
Stats show that 6.7m syrians were displaced. Britain took in 20k
Think turkey took in about 3m
I personally know of some who went to Sudan. This is the family if a Syrian doctor from Cumbria. He also has siblings who work in quite decent rioes. So one brother is a dentist etc. The siblings had already moved to Germany, Sweden etc to ply their trade prior to the displacements. The parents had visited UK prior too. Had gone back after their holiday. Once the displacement happen they moved to Sudan and then back to Syria.
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