comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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May as well be for some who dont drive.
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I'm trying to have a decent discussion with you bit comments like that are really annoying. Shows you have a mindset and that's that
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Sorry, but 30 miles for some people may as well be another country.
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Sorry but no it isn't. I'm 166 miles from London and coach fair is less than a tenner
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
i was questioning the claim that most fleeing Syria stayed in neighbouring countries.
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According to refugee watch 86% of all refugees settle close to their country.
The uk is home to 1% of over 26m refugees
A 1951 convention says there is no such thing as bogus asylum. The uk has signed up to this.
The Uk has no legal means for refugees to enter despite above convention
“ This country cannot sustain massive population growth so over time immigration needs to be reduced.”
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You need 2.1 births per couple for a population increase, obviously. The latest UK fiogures from last week say that the birth rate has fallen again, down to 1.58.
Germany has been below 1.4 for over three decades. That’s why Merkel had the sense to bring in 1 Million from Syria. And she got in first, bringing in all the dentists, IT whizzkids, doctors, engineers, and architects. The vast majority who have fled Syria are still living in camps in Jordan, Turkey and Hungary, to which the UK provides a small amount of financial assistance.
@Don.
I made a mistake. The 100k to Germany is a different figure.
Estimates put syrians to Germany as 800k
comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 17 seconds ago
“ This country cannot sustain massive population growth so over time immigration needs to be reduced.”
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You need 2.1 births per couple for a population increase, obviously. The latest UK fiogures from last week say that the birth rate has fallen again, down to 1.58.
Germany has been below 1.4 for over three decades. That’s why Merkel had the sense to bring in 1 Million from Syria. And she got in first, bringing in all the dentists, IT whizzkids, doctors, engineers, and architects. The vast majority who have fled Syria are still living in camps in Jordan, Turkey and Hungary, to which the UK provides a small amount of financial assistance.
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I read some stats about African countries who have had refugees coming here and we're qualified to work in the health professions.
It takes £25k to help a qualified refugee get into the profession. A local doctor would cost £200k for the same job
comment by Robbb Conte (U22716)
posted 13 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am an immigrant to the United States. Have a double masters, work for one of the FAANG companies and yet it will be 100 years (officially on paper) before I get an American citizenship.
While a Mexican illegal immigrant or a random tax driver from Turkey or Albania in New York can get it in 6 months
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Can they? Citation please
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no, they cannot
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 5 hours, 49 minutes ago
i was questioning the claim that most fleeing Syria stayed in neighbouring countries.
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Why? It's common knowledge.
You should research stuff for yourself instead of relying on YouTube and English media.
The UK has done next to fack all about refugees and taken in the least amount by far when compared with other similar countries.
But their people are making the most noise and leaving the EU because of immigration.
Ask yourself why. The UK is under the control of its media and the rich. You do what they want when they want and you vote for what they want when they want.
Why do people here cry so much about immigration when they've done fack all to help out?
Stooges.
People in this country are determined and disproportionately care about other people coming here.
So much so that politicians and the media use immigration as a vote clincher and news seller.
Why?
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I wonder what proportion of the 37% of the voting population that voted Leave thought the main issue was immigration?
Thor
Nobody is crying, im certainly not dependant on the media for my opinions, and your claim the UK has done nothing to help out is just nonsense.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 8 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 17 seconds ago
“ This country cannot sustain massive population growth so over time immigration needs to be reduced.”
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You need 2.1 births per couple for a population increase, obviously. The latest UK fiogures from last week say that the birth rate has fallen again, down to 1.58.
Germany has been below 1.4 for over three decades. That’s why Merkel had the sense to bring in 1 Million from Syria. And she got in first, bringing in all the dentists, IT whizzkids, doctors, engineers, and architects. The vast majority who have fled Syria are still living in camps in Jordan, Turkey and Hungary, to which the UK provides a small amount of financial assistance.
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I read some stats about African countries who have had refugees coming here and we're qualified to work in the health professions.
It takes £25k to help a qualified refugee get into the profession. A local doctor would cost £200k for the same job
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Some poor third world African countries with a national budget less than the value of Manchester united have absorbed millions of refugees and guess what? It wasn't the end of the world.
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 8 minutes ago
Thor
Nobody is crying, im certainly not dependant on the media for my opinions, and your claim the UK has done nothing to help out is just nonsense.
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Fair enough, but compared to other countries of similar stature, you have to ask yourself how is it that this country makes the most noise about immigration when we've comparatively suffered the least and in most cases contributed more to creating the actual problems that make people flee their country.
Internally, we can tell ourselves sweet things but from the outside it looks a bit ridiculous.
We are all dependent on the media, and thus how the news is presented.
No media means no news, we would no nothing about the world. And of course it helps shape people's opinion about everything.
I grew up with the Guardian in the house, I still read it so I'm left wing.
My brother in law takes the Telegraph, he of course, is right wing.
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comment by Citizen (U22721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
We are all dependent on the media, and thus how the news is presented.
No media means no news, we would no nothing about the world. And of course it helps shape people's opinion about everything.
I grew up with the Guardian in the house, I still read it so I'm left wing.
My brother in law takes the Telegraph, he of course, is right wing.
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The trouble with our media is 80% of it is owned by 4 families
They show you what they want you to see, I work with some Iranians and Iraqis and they have news on their phones we just don’t see in our msm
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Allowing all media to be controlled by a few is the most ridiculous thing.
What do we think will happen? They won't twist the narrative to favout them and their cronies? Don't make me laugh.
When I was in Uni, the matter of media ownership wa stressed for a whole semester. Its common knowledge that you don't allow the same persons to control large parts of news reporting. I still can't believe it was allowed to happen in the country that gave birth to the common law. No one is supposed to be more awake to the dangers.
Ultimately its not too far away from a dictator that controls the flow of info in their country. That's why there is little opposition to the CCP in China, they control the flow of info.
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comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
I wonder what proportion of the 37% of the voting population that voted Leave thought the main issue was immigration?
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All of them. To a person. However it wouldn't be so black and white to them. They all used the mantra that they were preached to by as 'reducing immigration' by 'securing our borders' (of which ironically we only ever have one physical land border to the rest of the world... of which Brexit has actually made less secure).
I can’t be bothered with reading the comments on the article but my take is:
I like immigration, love it in fact, it brings out the best is us. I always think it’s bizarre that man has claimed land as their own and thus don’t allow you to cross some billion year old land.
I don’t think it’s as polarised left vs right as you have made out in the article. I think there are maybe as many exceptions to your statement as the statement is true itself.
I do, however, appreciate that you need to appropriate policies/procedures/processes to ensure successful immigration. A lot of these policies when we were part of the eu were in place - and immigration was a massive net positive for us (as is becoming more and more evident); and we pushed the limit of the immigration quota as we benefited from it financially. Obviously a free-for-all would be mad and wouldn’t work.
Regarding asylum seekers etc, of course we have a duty to help these people - especially when we are largely at fault for the devastation in which they have came from. However you need to set it all up to ensure that the overall outcome is successful and doesn’t overwhelm your economy.
I don't think it bizarre that man has claimed land as his own. It's an extension of claiming your home as your own. When you drive around England every square inch has been terraformed by people, every town and city, it's been done mainly by our ancestors.
It's this sceptred Isle, set in a silver sea.
Most inhabitants love it, and want to keep it broadly similar.
Most people feel the same about their own 'home' country
Just wait until climate change takes hold. Estimates of 100 million climate refugees coming into Europe. This is why we owe it to future generations of displaced people to 1) Slow down the rate of climate change and 2) Treat these people as humans and shut down the right wing idiots who would compare them to cockroaches and less than human in a less than subtle attempt to maintain a white supremacist ideology.
I'm sure climate change will shift populations all over the globe, and Europe will be a favoured destination.
To be honest I have no solution, also it is no longer my problem.
I consider I won the jackpot when I was born in England to à loving family.
I've experienced no war, hunger, cold, homelessness.
I've never been poor or rich.
I would like everyone to have the same chance, it's possible if we organise things differently.
Oh and cherry on the cake, my neighbour took me to Old Trafford when I was seven, so I've had hours of football giving me emotional highs and lows.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 19 minutes ago
I don't think it bizarre that man has claimed land as his own. It's an extension of claiming your home as your own. When you drive around England every square inch has been terraformed by people, every town and city, it's been done mainly by our ancestors.
It's this sceptred Isle, set in a silver sea.
Most inhabitants love it, and want to keep it broadly similar.
Most people feel the same about their own 'home' country
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True, but a home is your place of safety and sanctuary. Country borders are basically your prison fences that you are bound to (unless you are rich enough) - settled based on some ancient war or how devilish your current leader is feeling
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posted on 20/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
"I know people who got offered houses but turned them down because they wanted a specific area or near family etc. Sure we would all love that and if it can happen then why not? But not getting it isn't due to "shortage" generally"
Exactly my thoughts on asylum seekers. Whilst they want a specific country or to be near family, its a preference, not a necessity.
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Being in a different country to your family is not the same as being, say, 30 miles away
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May as well be for some who dont drive.
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I'm trying to have a decent discussion with you bit comments like that are really annoying. Shows you have a mindset and that's that
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Sorry, but 30 miles for some people may as well be another country.
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Sorry but no it isn't. I'm 166 miles from London and coach fair is less than a tenner
posted on 20/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
i was questioning the claim that most fleeing Syria stayed in neighbouring countries.
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According to refugee watch 86% of all refugees settle close to their country.
The uk is home to 1% of over 26m refugees
A 1951 convention says there is no such thing as bogus asylum. The uk has signed up to this.
The Uk has no legal means for refugees to enter despite above convention
posted on 20/10/21
“ This country cannot sustain massive population growth so over time immigration needs to be reduced.”
____
You need 2.1 births per couple for a population increase, obviously. The latest UK fiogures from last week say that the birth rate has fallen again, down to 1.58.
Germany has been below 1.4 for over three decades. That’s why Merkel had the sense to bring in 1 Million from Syria. And she got in first, bringing in all the dentists, IT whizzkids, doctors, engineers, and architects. The vast majority who have fled Syria are still living in camps in Jordan, Turkey and Hungary, to which the UK provides a small amount of financial assistance.
posted on 20/10/21
@Don.
I made a mistake. The 100k to Germany is a different figure.
Estimates put syrians to Germany as 800k
posted on 20/10/21
comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 17 seconds ago
“ This country cannot sustain massive population growth so over time immigration needs to be reduced.”
____
You need 2.1 births per couple for a population increase, obviously. The latest UK fiogures from last week say that the birth rate has fallen again, down to 1.58.
Germany has been below 1.4 for over three decades. That’s why Merkel had the sense to bring in 1 Million from Syria. And she got in first, bringing in all the dentists, IT whizzkids, doctors, engineers, and architects. The vast majority who have fled Syria are still living in camps in Jordan, Turkey and Hungary, to which the UK provides a small amount of financial assistance.
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I read some stats about African countries who have had refugees coming here and we're qualified to work in the health professions.
It takes £25k to help a qualified refugee get into the profession. A local doctor would cost £200k for the same job
posted on 20/10/21
comment by Robbb Conte (U22716)
posted 13 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am an immigrant to the United States. Have a double masters, work for one of the FAANG companies and yet it will be 100 years (officially on paper) before I get an American citizenship.
While a Mexican illegal immigrant or a random tax driver from Turkey or Albania in New York can get it in 6 months
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Can they? Citation please
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no, they cannot
posted on 20/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 5 hours, 49 minutes ago
i was questioning the claim that most fleeing Syria stayed in neighbouring countries.
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Why? It's common knowledge.
You should research stuff for yourself instead of relying on YouTube and English media.
The UK has done next to fack all about refugees and taken in the least amount by far when compared with other similar countries.
But their people are making the most noise and leaving the EU because of immigration.
Ask yourself why. The UK is under the control of its media and the rich. You do what they want when they want and you vote for what they want when they want.
Why do people here cry so much about immigration when they've done fack all to help out?
Stooges.
posted on 20/10/21
People in this country are determined and disproportionately care about other people coming here.
So much so that politicians and the media use immigration as a vote clincher and news seller.
Why?
posted on 20/10/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 20/10/21
I wonder what proportion of the 37% of the voting population that voted Leave thought the main issue was immigration?
posted on 20/10/21
Thor
Nobody is crying, im certainly not dependant on the media for my opinions, and your claim the UK has done nothing to help out is just nonsense.
posted on 20/10/21
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 8 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 17 seconds ago
“ This country cannot sustain massive population growth so over time immigration needs to be reduced.”
____
You need 2.1 births per couple for a population increase, obviously. The latest UK fiogures from last week say that the birth rate has fallen again, down to 1.58.
Germany has been below 1.4 for over three decades. That’s why Merkel had the sense to bring in 1 Million from Syria. And she got in first, bringing in all the dentists, IT whizzkids, doctors, engineers, and architects. The vast majority who have fled Syria are still living in camps in Jordan, Turkey and Hungary, to which the UK provides a small amount of financial assistance.
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I read some stats about African countries who have had refugees coming here and we're qualified to work in the health professions.
It takes £25k to help a qualified refugee get into the profession. A local doctor would cost £200k for the same job
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Some poor third world African countries with a national budget less than the value of Manchester united have absorbed millions of refugees and guess what? It wasn't the end of the world.
posted on 20/10/21
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 8 minutes ago
Thor
Nobody is crying, im certainly not dependant on the media for my opinions, and your claim the UK has done nothing to help out is just nonsense.
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Fair enough, but compared to other countries of similar stature, you have to ask yourself how is it that this country makes the most noise about immigration when we've comparatively suffered the least and in most cases contributed more to creating the actual problems that make people flee their country.
Internally, we can tell ourselves sweet things but from the outside it looks a bit ridiculous.
posted on 20/10/21
We are all dependent on the media, and thus how the news is presented.
No media means no news, we would no nothing about the world. And of course it helps shape people's opinion about everything.
I grew up with the Guardian in the house, I still read it so I'm left wing.
My brother in law takes the Telegraph, he of course, is right wing.
posted on 20/10/21
*know
posted on 20/10/21
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posted on 20/10/21
comment by Citizen (U22721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
We are all dependent on the media, and thus how the news is presented.
No media means no news, we would no nothing about the world. And of course it helps shape people's opinion about everything.
I grew up with the Guardian in the house, I still read it so I'm left wing.
My brother in law takes the Telegraph, he of course, is right wing.
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The trouble with our media is 80% of it is owned by 4 families
They show you what they want you to see, I work with some Iranians and Iraqis and they have news on their phones we just don’t see in our msm
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Allowing all media to be controlled by a few is the most ridiculous thing.
What do we think will happen? They won't twist the narrative to favout them and their cronies? Don't make me laugh.
When I was in Uni, the matter of media ownership wa stressed for a whole semester. Its common knowledge that you don't allow the same persons to control large parts of news reporting. I still can't believe it was allowed to happen in the country that gave birth to the common law. No one is supposed to be more awake to the dangers.
Ultimately its not too far away from a dictator that controls the flow of info in their country. That's why there is little opposition to the CCP in China, they control the flow of info.
posted on 20/10/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 20/10/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
I wonder what proportion of the 37% of the voting population that voted Leave thought the main issue was immigration?
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All of them. To a person. However it wouldn't be so black and white to them. They all used the mantra that they were preached to by as 'reducing immigration' by 'securing our borders' (of which ironically we only ever have one physical land border to the rest of the world... of which Brexit has actually made less secure).
posted on 20/10/21
I can’t be bothered with reading the comments on the article but my take is:
I like immigration, love it in fact, it brings out the best is us. I always think it’s bizarre that man has claimed land as their own and thus don’t allow you to cross some billion year old land.
I don’t think it’s as polarised left vs right as you have made out in the article. I think there are maybe as many exceptions to your statement as the statement is true itself.
I do, however, appreciate that you need to appropriate policies/procedures/processes to ensure successful immigration. A lot of these policies when we were part of the eu were in place - and immigration was a massive net positive for us (as is becoming more and more evident); and we pushed the limit of the immigration quota as we benefited from it financially. Obviously a free-for-all would be mad and wouldn’t work.
Regarding asylum seekers etc, of course we have a duty to help these people - especially when we are largely at fault for the devastation in which they have came from. However you need to set it all up to ensure that the overall outcome is successful and doesn’t overwhelm your economy.
posted on 20/10/21
I don't think it bizarre that man has claimed land as his own. It's an extension of claiming your home as your own. When you drive around England every square inch has been terraformed by people, every town and city, it's been done mainly by our ancestors.
It's this sceptred Isle, set in a silver sea.
Most inhabitants love it, and want to keep it broadly similar.
Most people feel the same about their own 'home' country
posted on 20/10/21
Just wait until climate change takes hold. Estimates of 100 million climate refugees coming into Europe. This is why we owe it to future generations of displaced people to 1) Slow down the rate of climate change and 2) Treat these people as humans and shut down the right wing idiots who would compare them to cockroaches and less than human in a less than subtle attempt to maintain a white supremacist ideology.
posted on 20/10/21
I'm sure climate change will shift populations all over the globe, and Europe will be a favoured destination.
To be honest I have no solution, also it is no longer my problem.
I consider I won the jackpot when I was born in England to à loving family.
I've experienced no war, hunger, cold, homelessness.
I've never been poor or rich.
I would like everyone to have the same chance, it's possible if we organise things differently.
Oh and cherry on the cake, my neighbour took me to Old Trafford when I was seven, so I've had hours of football giving me emotional highs and lows.
posted on 20/10/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 19 minutes ago
I don't think it bizarre that man has claimed land as his own. It's an extension of claiming your home as your own. When you drive around England every square inch has been terraformed by people, every town and city, it's been done mainly by our ancestors.
It's this sceptred Isle, set in a silver sea.
Most inhabitants love it, and want to keep it broadly similar.
Most people feel the same about their own 'home' country
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True, but a home is your place of safety and sanctuary. Country borders are basically your prison fences that you are bound to (unless you are rich enough) - settled based on some ancient war or how devilish your current leader is feeling
posted on 20/10/21
Well, well 300 up
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