Maybe Drameh can play right back on Tuesday releasing Shacks to play midfield and if it goes well and Ayling is still out then Drameh can play RB against Norwich.
Like Mike drop said we have a crop of young talent bursting to get their chance and I hope Bielsa has faith in them now and uses them more and more.
comment by 🎤Mike drop🎤 (U15513)
posted 56 minutes ago
One has to also remember that neither these 2 beat Drameh to the Player of the season gong last year.
We may just have a crop of talent showing up this year.
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Some on here said the kids were not good enough, not sure who they were watching when they reached this conclusion as they clearly had never watched a minute of the U23's.
Early days though and we must not get carried away.
Might be worth noting that we will not go far wrong if we look to the future with a squad built around Meslier, Drameh, Cresser, Bate, Crysencio, Greenwood and Joffy.
Aidan White got rave reviews when he made debut as did Sam Byram, where are they now.
Philips got slated, look at him now.
I think it's hugely premature to assume 6 of our U23s are going to be mainstay of squad.
Jonty is absolutely right. What we saw was a hint of what could be. Not an example of what is.
IMO it’s best these kids continue to be used sparingly as impact subs and in no way be put under the starting 11 spotlight.
Mike, normally I''d agree. But, we have huge injury concerns. Now is the time to give Joe, Jimmy, Drameh,
and all there chance, not just for their development, but out of necessity. Hovering where se are, I think MB showed today he agrees. BTW, I love that MB gave
the kids more time. That point was down to them in some respects. Anyway, fantastic day and performance.
Hard to knock the smile off my face. Can't imagine how great those players must feel. And rightly so.
The difference with this current crop of youngsters to the likes of Aidan White and Byram is I think the quality of the coaching they are getting which I feel is far superior to previous coaches we have had.
Bielsa's influence is a major factor in their development and future progression. Maybe 7 of them coming through to have successful Premier league careers is a bit optimistic but I would hope we will get 3 or 4 that will prove to be as good as the likes of Smith, Harte, Woodgate and Kewel.
Time will tell but at least for today we have renewed hope about the quality and future of our squad.
Let's hope they can keep it going and are not a flash in the pan like Jack Clarke unfortunately looks like he's turned out to be.
He has to start. We don't seem to have a natural striker without PB. We played James as a striker In the first half. We never looked liked scoring until Joffy came on
Starting against arsenal would make sense after that performance.
Its a cup game so not a lot to lose in that regard.
Would be a real statement by the club too towards geldheardt and how they see him.
Maybe it was different times back then, but I dont remember white and byram getting that much praise for their work in the reserves as well as what they did on their debuts so that makes me hopeful.
Also to see shack, struijk sommerville and geldheardt on the pitch at the same time is a truly amazing statement of how far our youth system has come back under bielsa.
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Starting against arsenal would make sense after that performance.
Its a cup game so not a lot to lose in that regard.
Would be a real statement by the club too towards geldheardt and how they see him.
Maybe it was different times back then, but I dont remember white and byram getting that much praise for their work in the reserves as well as what they did on their debuts so that makes me hopeful.
Also to see shack, struijk sommerville and geldheardt on the pitch at the same time is a truly amazing statement of how far our youth system has come back under bielsa.
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Think Orta deserves praise for it as well.
Absolutely Orta deserves credit.
Made such a difference when he came on.
Looks the real deal but let's give him some time before we get carried away.
Really enjoyed today's game.
Earl, not getting carried away. As someone who's watched U23s, I wanted him to get the call for the
first team. When many suggested that should happen,
a few said he wasn't up to it, as the step was too big.
Today proved he's more than ready and up to it.
He was a revelation in my mind.
comment by Kern (U4664)
posted 19 minutes ago
Earl, not getting carried away. As someone who's watched U23s, I wanted him to get the call for the
first team. When many suggested that should happen,
a few said he wasn't up to it, as the step was too big.
Today proved he's more than ready and up to it.
He was a revelation in my mind.
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Hope you're right Kern. Very impressive performance today
We all remember when Raphinha arrived last year and showed off his box of technical tricks.
He is physically more developed and perhaps stronger, but either way, he continued to get more and more game time and each time stepped up a level.
We can only judge Joe based on his performance during the minutes he is on the pitch.
Hopefully, next up will be a full 45 minutes.
It's important to highlight that what separates Joe from some of the aforementioned above is that he is making his bow in the Premier League not in the Championship.
Indeed, a number of them who left us for bright lights of the Premier League made little impression, but at least with all three of Geldhardt, Summerville and Cresswell, we can say so far, so good.
Naturally, we would love to see these lads playing alongside Phillips, Ayling, and of course Raphinha if possible, just to see how they perform playing alongside world class talent.
I’d put Joffy in the starting lineup for the Norwich game. He will give them something to worry about.
He showed far more positives in his substitute appearance today than Roberts has in three seasons imho. No reason not to start him if Bamford’s still out.
great to wake up on a Sunday morn with a very slight hangover but a warm glow after a gutsy performance from us yesterday, as opposed to a more prolonged hangover following the rubbish we served up at Southampton. Agree with RealEstate - Joe Geldhart needs to start up front against Arsenal so he can start to step up through the gears and push Bamford and Rodrigo.
Great Rodrigo had the balls to take, and bag, that penalty - I almost couldn't watch! He was supercool!
Why don't more of our front men do what Joe did, running at men and inviting a tackle in the box? He petrified 'em. Moreover he showed passion in bucketloads. Teamwise I thought it was a decent performance apart from the lapse in concentration from Jack and then the defence. As someone on here said, this feels like our Brentford moment - I won't be upset if we lose to Arsenal – it's more important that we put up a decent showing to carry some momentum through to the Norwich game.
Gone under the radar as a result of Gelhardt being alright, but actually Rodrigo had a good game the other day (Cooper was comfortably MotM as well, by the way), and think its pretty clear that he plays best off someone else. He was playing as a second striker most of the game, and think it really worked. He ran really well and held the ball really well.
Gelhardt shouldn't start against Norwich off the back of half an hour where he looked decent. Give him a few more games impacting off the bench and see if he can do that consistently before making any calls like that.
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posted on 23/10/21
Maybe Drameh can play right back on Tuesday releasing Shacks to play midfield and if it goes well and Ayling is still out then Drameh can play RB against Norwich.
Like Mike drop said we have a crop of young talent bursting to get their chance and I hope Bielsa has faith in them now and uses them more and more.
posted on 23/10/21
comment by 🎤Mike drop🎤 (U15513)
posted 56 minutes ago
One has to also remember that neither these 2 beat Drameh to the Player of the season gong last year.
We may just have a crop of talent showing up this year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Some on here said the kids were not good enough, not sure who they were watching when they reached this conclusion as they clearly had never watched a minute of the U23's.
Early days though and we must not get carried away.
Might be worth noting that we will not go far wrong if we look to the future with a squad built around Meslier, Drameh, Cresser, Bate, Crysencio, Greenwood and Joffy.
posted on 23/10/21
Aidan White got rave reviews when he made debut as did Sam Byram, where are they now.
Philips got slated, look at him now.
I think it's hugely premature to assume 6 of our U23s are going to be mainstay of squad.
posted on 23/10/21
Jonty is absolutely right. What we saw was a hint of what could be. Not an example of what is.
IMO it’s best these kids continue to be used sparingly as impact subs and in no way be put under the starting 11 spotlight.
posted on 23/10/21
Mike, normally I''d agree. But, we have huge injury concerns. Now is the time to give Joe, Jimmy, Drameh,
and all there chance, not just for their development, but out of necessity. Hovering where se are, I think MB showed today he agrees. BTW, I love that MB gave
the kids more time. That point was down to them in some respects. Anyway, fantastic day and performance.
Hard to knock the smile off my face. Can't imagine how great those players must feel. And rightly so.
posted on 23/10/21
The difference with this current crop of youngsters to the likes of Aidan White and Byram is I think the quality of the coaching they are getting which I feel is far superior to previous coaches we have had.
Bielsa's influence is a major factor in their development and future progression. Maybe 7 of them coming through to have successful Premier league careers is a bit optimistic but I would hope we will get 3 or 4 that will prove to be as good as the likes of Smith, Harte, Woodgate and Kewel.
Time will tell but at least for today we have renewed hope about the quality and future of our squad.
Let's hope they can keep it going and are not a flash in the pan like Jack Clarke unfortunately looks like he's turned out to be.
posted on 23/10/21
He has to start. We don't seem to have a natural striker without PB. We played James as a striker In the first half. We never looked liked scoring until Joffy came on
posted on 23/10/21
Starting against arsenal would make sense after that performance.
Its a cup game so not a lot to lose in that regard.
Would be a real statement by the club too towards geldheardt and how they see him.
Maybe it was different times back then, but I dont remember white and byram getting that much praise for their work in the reserves as well as what they did on their debuts so that makes me hopeful.
Also to see shack, struijk sommerville and geldheardt on the pitch at the same time is a truly amazing statement of how far our youth system has come back under bielsa.
posted on 23/10/21
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Starting against arsenal would make sense after that performance.
Its a cup game so not a lot to lose in that regard.
Would be a real statement by the club too towards geldheardt and how they see him.
Maybe it was different times back then, but I dont remember white and byram getting that much praise for their work in the reserves as well as what they did on their debuts so that makes me hopeful.
Also to see shack, struijk sommerville and geldheardt on the pitch at the same time is a truly amazing statement of how far our youth system has come back under bielsa.
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Think Orta deserves praise for it as well.
posted on 23/10/21
Absolutely Orta deserves credit.
posted on 23/10/21
Made such a difference when he came on.
Looks the real deal but let's give him some time before we get carried away.
Really enjoyed today's game.
posted on 23/10/21
Earl, not getting carried away. As someone who's watched U23s, I wanted him to get the call for the
first team. When many suggested that should happen,
a few said he wasn't up to it, as the step was too big.
Today proved he's more than ready and up to it.
He was a revelation in my mind.
posted on 23/10/21
comment by Kern (U4664)
posted 19 minutes ago
Earl, not getting carried away. As someone who's watched U23s, I wanted him to get the call for the
first team. When many suggested that should happen,
a few said he wasn't up to it, as the step was too big.
Today proved he's more than ready and up to it.
He was a revelation in my mind.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hope you're right Kern. Very impressive performance today
posted on 23/10/21
We all remember when Raphinha arrived last year and showed off his box of technical tricks.
He is physically more developed and perhaps stronger, but either way, he continued to get more and more game time and each time stepped up a level.
We can only judge Joe based on his performance during the minutes he is on the pitch.
Hopefully, next up will be a full 45 minutes.
It's important to highlight that what separates Joe from some of the aforementioned above is that he is making his bow in the Premier League not in the Championship.
Indeed, a number of them who left us for bright lights of the Premier League made little impression, but at least with all three of Geldhardt, Summerville and Cresswell, we can say so far, so good.
Naturally, we would love to see these lads playing alongside Phillips, Ayling, and of course Raphinha if possible, just to see how they perform playing alongside world class talent.
posted on 24/10/21
I’d put Joffy in the starting lineup for the Norwich game. He will give them something to worry about.
He showed far more positives in his substitute appearance today than Roberts has in three seasons imho. No reason not to start him if Bamford’s still out.
posted on 24/10/21
great to wake up on a Sunday morn with a very slight hangover but a warm glow after a gutsy performance from us yesterday, as opposed to a more prolonged hangover following the rubbish we served up at Southampton. Agree with RealEstate - Joe Geldhart needs to start up front against Arsenal so he can start to step up through the gears and push Bamford and Rodrigo.
Great Rodrigo had the balls to take, and bag, that penalty - I almost couldn't watch! He was supercool!
posted on 25/10/21
Why don't more of our front men do what Joe did, running at men and inviting a tackle in the box? He petrified 'em. Moreover he showed passion in bucketloads. Teamwise I thought it was a decent performance apart from the lapse in concentration from Jack and then the defence. As someone on here said, this feels like our Brentford moment - I won't be upset if we lose to Arsenal – it's more important that we put up a decent showing to carry some momentum through to the Norwich game.
posted on 25/10/21
Gone under the radar as a result of Gelhardt being alright, but actually Rodrigo had a good game the other day (Cooper was comfortably MotM as well, by the way), and think its pretty clear that he plays best off someone else. He was playing as a second striker most of the game, and think it really worked. He ran really well and held the ball really well.
Gelhardt shouldn't start against Norwich off the back of half an hour where he looked decent. Give him a few more games impacting off the bench and see if he can do that consistently before making any calls like that.
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