comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 46 seconds ago
My main issue with Ronaldo at United, having signed him, is that we're not playing to his strengths. If we don't there's no point having him in the team really.
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We are not playing to his weaknesses either and that is why we look all over the place.
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We're all over the place.
I think what we did do previously was play players who worked harded (like James) who helped mask these weaknesses a bit better.
Perhaps the Ronaldo signing will improve the team in time. But not for the reasons we think.
Masony Greeny is a lazy forward.
Capable of big moments but has been hugely overhyped because of that.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
Using any of those as wingbacks would be a sad waste of their talents.
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I'm only playing devil's advocate here but:
1) Playing them in a dysfunctional team that's overstacked in attacking talent and far too vulnerable in defence is also a waste of their talents.
2) If a coach finds a system that makes more of the existing squad by achieving defensive rigour while still keeping the same number of attacking players on the pitch, surely that's a better outcome for the club and the individuals.
3) In the right system, a wing-back is one of the key attacking weapons of a team. No one is going to convince me that Dani Alves wasn't an attacking player or that his attacking flair was wasted.
No issues with wingbacks and like you say someone like Alves was brilliant to watch but I find the idea of moving any one of those 4 into such a position a little depressing. Of the attacking players we do posses I'd say those 4 are our most exciting and looking at wingbacks Conte has used (Alonso, Moses, Zappacosta, Lichtsteiner, Asamoah, D'ambrosio, Young, Darmian, Hakimi) I'd say they are predominately defensive players who can move forward rather than offensive players willing to defend which makes me think he's unlikely to use any of those in the wingback role. If anyone out of those 4 I'd say possibly Rashford but I'd probably cry if I saw Rashford in that role.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Masony Greeny is a lazy forward.
Capable of big moments but has been hugely overhyped because of that.
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Arguably the worst take I have seen on here for a while. The lad is going to be a superstar. His goals return for his age is scary good and even better when you think that's come off the right in a team that is very up and down form wise.
He's going to be a ST for us soon and will become the best striker in the league. I have no doubts.
Arguably the worst take I have seen on here for a while. The lad is going to be a superstar.
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The first sentence was correct. The second one is and will be up for debate for some time yet.
He’s best on the right for now. I don’t think we are in any rush to move him to the centre (if ever) until he’s matured. He’s only just turned 20 don’t forget.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
Dunno if you guys saw the recent comments from Leo Bonucci, but the Juve players were happy to see the back of Ronaldo.. he kills the "team ethos" coz he's such a diva. No coincidence that Juve went to shlt last year with Ronnie under a novice manager in Pirlo... Now the same is happening at United.... Players like Pogba and Ronnie playing for a clown like Ole wont work.... Only a matter of time until those 2 get Ole the boot
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Not what was said at all if you read the quotes and not the headline.
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Masony Greeny is a lazy forward.
Capable of big moments but has been hugely overhyped because of that.
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Arguably the worst take I have seen on here for a while. The lad is going to be a superstar. His goals return for his age is scary good and even better when you think that's come off the right in a team that is very up and down form wise.
He's going to be a ST for us soon and will become the best striker in the league. I have no doubts.
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Great finisher but needs to improve a lot of things and stop being so selfish
comment by MUFCdan (U1463)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Masony Greeny is a lazy forward.
Capable of big moments but has been hugely overhyped because of that.
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Arguably the worst take I have seen on here for a while. The lad is going to be a superstar. His goals return for his age is scary good and even better when you think that's come off the right in a team that is very up and down form wise.
He's going to be a ST for us soon and will become the best striker in the league. I have no doubts.
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Great finisher but needs to improve a lot of things and stop being so selfish
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Yeah he could do very well but he’s not there yet.
I agree with the OP, Mason may be very good but he's not at the level of RvP or RvN or WR. These legends were clinical strikers but also amazing wing forwards. They were great passers and crossers too. They took amazing free kicks too. Mason needs to become versatile as a forward even if he prefers to be CF else he will quickly become a one-trick pony.
Unfortunately for Mason, he has had 3 years of development wasted on amateur coaches. These early years are important for young players.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
Unfortunately for Mason, he has had 3 years of development wasted on amateur coaches. These early years are important for young players.
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I would like to think that some of his managers dearly finishing has rubbed off on him.
I hope having a striker the quality of Ole hasn’t been too disastrous for him.
Good young players will develop just from playing games. Jack Grealish played under crap coaches until he joined City.
One of my misgivings about Ronaldo coming back was the knock-on effect on Greenwood. But he is still very young and shouldn’t be overplayed. He should get plenty of minutes rotating with Sancho on the right and even instead of Ronaldo or Cavani down the middle.
Unfortunately, rotation isn’t something Ole has done well. In fact, you could probably defend him on any other front - tactics, transfers, whatever - more successfully than you could on this one.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
Unfortunately for Mason, he has had 3 years of development wasted on amateur coaches. These early years are important for young players.
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I would like to think that some of his managers dearly finishing has rubbed off on him.
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Rashford's finishing is the same, Martial's is worse. It seems like you really can't teach finishing.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 21 minutes ago
Good young players will develop just from playing games. Jack Grealish played under crap coaches until he joined City.
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Villa have better coaches than us, they play better football than us. Why do you think young players choose to go to places like Dortmund?
Anyway, players are different—some can develop by themselves, other need to be taught.
of moderate interest - perhaps - is that of the 30 odd players on this top scorers list, greenwood has the lowest goal conversion percentage, and one of the lowest shot accuracy percentages (fernandes also measures poorly on both):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers
too many speculative pot shots i guess.
what might be more surprising is that relative to his forward peers, he is covering less ground than most, and doing less pressing than most (less than martial for instance), which for a player of his age is poor, though may reflect a coaching issue more than a laziness one:
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12444126/man-utds-damning-stats-the-numbers-which-underline-the-problems-for-ole-gunnar-solskjaer
Anyway, players are different—some can develop by themselves, other need to be taught.
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Ten minutes ago you just brought two other players into the equation. You are all over the place as usual.
I think you need to look up who Grealish was playing for when he was Greenwood’s age. And it’s not like Dean Smith is some tactical wiz that has really improved Grealish, he just gave him a free role and let him develop by playing.
Players go to Dortmund to play games, it’s a club that gives opportunities to young players. Sancho didn’t want to train under Pep, he wanted to play regular football no matter who was coaching him.
Greenwood’s been coming along fine. He’s still got a lot to learn but most of that is to do with experience. Ole’s time has been very good for Greenwood as he’s made a conscious effort to bring him through. But still, he doesn’t fully trust him as a cf yet. A better coach may have hindered Greenwood by not having patience with him, and prioritising better more experienced players.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 seconds ago
You are all over the place as usual.
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just like our players...badum tish
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 11 minutes ago
Anyway, players are different—some can develop by themselves, other need to be taught.
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Ten minutes ago you just brought two other players into the equation. You are all over the place as usual.
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As usual? Come off it.
I was highlighting that finishing isn't really something that can be taught. Other aspects can, and players will learn differently.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 21 minutes ago
of moderate interest - perhaps - is that of the 30 odd players on this top scorers list, greenwood has the lowest goal conversion percentage, and one of the lowest shot accuracy percentages (fernandes also measures poorly on both):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers
too many speculative pot shots i guess.
what might be more surprising is that relative to his forward peers, he is covering less ground than most, and doing less pressing than most (less than martial for instance), which for a player of his age is poor, though may reflect a coaching issue more than a laziness one:
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12444126/man-utds-damning-stats-the-numbers-which-underline-the-problems-for-ole-gunnar-solskjaer
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It's amazing how DDG covers 3.5km a game standing on his goal line.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 21 minutes ago
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It's amazing how DDG covers 3.5km a game standing on his goal line.
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but no pressing at all...lazy sod. ddg out.
the greenwood shooting stats are interesting, because when he first broke through post lockdown, his accuracy and goal scoring was absurdly good..if i remember he managed something silly like 7 goals from 11 shots, with an xg of less than 2, catching gks out all the time, low backlift, left foot/right foot, he was stupidly clinical.
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posted on 27/10/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 46 seconds ago
My main issue with Ronaldo at United, having signed him, is that we're not playing to his strengths. If we don't there's no point having him in the team really.
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We are not playing to his weaknesses either and that is why we look all over the place.
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We're all over the place.
I think what we did do previously was play players who worked harded (like James) who helped mask these weaknesses a bit better.
Perhaps the Ronaldo signing will improve the team in time. But not for the reasons we think.
posted on 27/10/21
Masony Greeny is a lazy forward.
Capable of big moments but has been hugely overhyped because of that.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
Using any of those as wingbacks would be a sad waste of their talents.
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I'm only playing devil's advocate here but:
1) Playing them in a dysfunctional team that's overstacked in attacking talent and far too vulnerable in defence is also a waste of their talents.
2) If a coach finds a system that makes more of the existing squad by achieving defensive rigour while still keeping the same number of attacking players on the pitch, surely that's a better outcome for the club and the individuals.
3) In the right system, a wing-back is one of the key attacking weapons of a team. No one is going to convince me that Dani Alves wasn't an attacking player or that his attacking flair was wasted.
posted on 27/10/21
No issues with wingbacks and like you say someone like Alves was brilliant to watch but I find the idea of moving any one of those 4 into such a position a little depressing. Of the attacking players we do posses I'd say those 4 are our most exciting and looking at wingbacks Conte has used (Alonso, Moses, Zappacosta, Lichtsteiner, Asamoah, D'ambrosio, Young, Darmian, Hakimi) I'd say they are predominately defensive players who can move forward rather than offensive players willing to defend which makes me think he's unlikely to use any of those in the wingback role. If anyone out of those 4 I'd say possibly Rashford but I'd probably cry if I saw Rashford in that role.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Masony Greeny is a lazy forward.
Capable of big moments but has been hugely overhyped because of that.
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Arguably the worst take I have seen on here for a while. The lad is going to be a superstar. His goals return for his age is scary good and even better when you think that's come off the right in a team that is very up and down form wise.
He's going to be a ST for us soon and will become the best striker in the league. I have no doubts.
posted on 27/10/21
Arguably the worst take I have seen on here for a while. The lad is going to be a superstar.
….
The first sentence was correct. The second one is and will be up for debate for some time yet.
posted on 27/10/21
He’s best on the right for now. I don’t think we are in any rush to move him to the centre (if ever) until he’s matured. He’s only just turned 20 don’t forget.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
Dunno if you guys saw the recent comments from Leo Bonucci, but the Juve players were happy to see the back of Ronaldo.. he kills the "team ethos" coz he's such a diva. No coincidence that Juve went to shlt last year with Ronnie under a novice manager in Pirlo... Now the same is happening at United.... Players like Pogba and Ronnie playing for a clown like Ole wont work.... Only a matter of time until those 2 get Ole the boot
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Not what was said at all if you read the quotes and not the headline.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Masony Greeny is a lazy forward.
Capable of big moments but has been hugely overhyped because of that.
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Arguably the worst take I have seen on here for a while. The lad is going to be a superstar. His goals return for his age is scary good and even better when you think that's come off the right in a team that is very up and down form wise.
He's going to be a ST for us soon and will become the best striker in the league. I have no doubts.
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Great finisher but needs to improve a lot of things and stop being so selfish
posted on 27/10/21
comment by MUFCdan (U1463)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Masony Greeny is a lazy forward.
Capable of big moments but has been hugely overhyped because of that.
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Arguably the worst take I have seen on here for a while. The lad is going to be a superstar. His goals return for his age is scary good and even better when you think that's come off the right in a team that is very up and down form wise.
He's going to be a ST for us soon and will become the best striker in the league. I have no doubts.
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Great finisher but needs to improve a lot of things and stop being so selfish
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Yeah he could do very well but he’s not there yet.
posted on 27/10/21
I agree with the OP, Mason may be very good but he's not at the level of RvP or RvN or WR. These legends were clinical strikers but also amazing wing forwards. They were great passers and crossers too. They took amazing free kicks too. Mason needs to become versatile as a forward even if he prefers to be CF else he will quickly become a one-trick pony.
posted on 27/10/21
Unfortunately for Mason, he has had 3 years of development wasted on amateur coaches. These early years are important for young players.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
Unfortunately for Mason, he has had 3 years of development wasted on amateur coaches. These early years are important for young players.
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I would like to think that some of his managers dearly finishing has rubbed off on him.
posted on 27/10/21
I hope having a striker the quality of Ole hasn’t been too disastrous for him.
posted on 27/10/21
Good young players will develop just from playing games. Jack Grealish played under crap coaches until he joined City.
posted on 27/10/21
One of my misgivings about Ronaldo coming back was the knock-on effect on Greenwood. But he is still very young and shouldn’t be overplayed. He should get plenty of minutes rotating with Sancho on the right and even instead of Ronaldo or Cavani down the middle.
Unfortunately, rotation isn’t something Ole has done well. In fact, you could probably defend him on any other front - tactics, transfers, whatever - more successfully than you could on this one.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
Unfortunately for Mason, he has had 3 years of development wasted on amateur coaches. These early years are important for young players.
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I would like to think that some of his managers dearly finishing has rubbed off on him.
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Rashford's finishing is the same, Martial's is worse. It seems like you really can't teach finishing.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 21 minutes ago
Good young players will develop just from playing games. Jack Grealish played under crap coaches until he joined City.
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Villa have better coaches than us, they play better football than us. Why do you think young players choose to go to places like Dortmund?
Anyway, players are different—some can develop by themselves, other need to be taught.
posted on 27/10/21
of moderate interest - perhaps - is that of the 30 odd players on this top scorers list, greenwood has the lowest goal conversion percentage, and one of the lowest shot accuracy percentages (fernandes also measures poorly on both):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers
too many speculative pot shots i guess.
what might be more surprising is that relative to his forward peers, he is covering less ground than most, and doing less pressing than most (less than martial for instance), which for a player of his age is poor, though may reflect a coaching issue more than a laziness one:
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12444126/man-utds-damning-stats-the-numbers-which-underline-the-problems-for-ole-gunnar-solskjaer
posted on 27/10/21
Anyway, players are different—some can develop by themselves, other need to be taught.
…….
Ten minutes ago you just brought two other players into the equation. You are all over the place as usual.
posted on 27/10/21
I think you need to look up who Grealish was playing for when he was Greenwood’s age. And it’s not like Dean Smith is some tactical wiz that has really improved Grealish, he just gave him a free role and let him develop by playing.
Players go to Dortmund to play games, it’s a club that gives opportunities to young players. Sancho didn’t want to train under Pep, he wanted to play regular football no matter who was coaching him.
Greenwood’s been coming along fine. He’s still got a lot to learn but most of that is to do with experience. Ole’s time has been very good for Greenwood as he’s made a conscious effort to bring him through. But still, he doesn’t fully trust him as a cf yet. A better coach may have hindered Greenwood by not having patience with him, and prioritising better more experienced players.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 seconds ago
You are all over the place as usual.
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just like our players...badum tish
posted on 27/10/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 11 minutes ago
Anyway, players are different—some can develop by themselves, other need to be taught.
…….
Ten minutes ago you just brought two other players into the equation. You are all over the place as usual.
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As usual? Come off it.
I was highlighting that finishing isn't really something that can be taught. Other aspects can, and players will learn differently.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 21 minutes ago
of moderate interest - perhaps - is that of the 30 odd players on this top scorers list, greenwood has the lowest goal conversion percentage, and one of the lowest shot accuracy percentages (fernandes also measures poorly on both):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers
too many speculative pot shots i guess.
what might be more surprising is that relative to his forward peers, he is covering less ground than most, and doing less pressing than most (less than martial for instance), which for a player of his age is poor, though may reflect a coaching issue more than a laziness one:
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12444126/man-utds-damning-stats-the-numbers-which-underline-the-problems-for-ole-gunnar-solskjaer
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It's amazing how DDG covers 3.5km a game standing on his goal line.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 21 minutes ago
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It's amazing how DDG covers 3.5km a game standing on his goal line.
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but no pressing at all...lazy sod. ddg out.
the greenwood shooting stats are interesting, because when he first broke through post lockdown, his accuracy and goal scoring was absurdly good..if i remember he managed something silly like 7 goals from 11 shots, with an xg of less than 2, catching gks out all the time, low backlift, left foot/right foot, he was stupidly clinical.
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