Not sure how much pressure he's under. I don't see any way they'll scrap the scheme.
I finally downloaded the app this week so they better not scrap it now
Can't see it getting scrapped given that it seems to be getting adopted in country after country in recent weeks (Sweden the latest that I read about this week).
Again, I have concerns about it and don't particularly like it - and I see no way in which it can be effectively policed - but I'd be stunned if they stop it at this point in time.
I have it but I don't see the point in it. I got the jabs to protect me.
getting the jabs doesn't stop anyone near me unjabbed catching it
However, they won't ditch it now
We`ve had the passport in Switzerland for months and is used extensively in the EU. The Apps are linked. Don`t have an issue with them.
Biggest issue for me is the way things are being reported and explained and used.
The vaccine was to make the effects of catching the virus milder, avoiding the need to go to hospital in most cases. There are always exceptions.
So hearing so much about vaccinated people getting the virus and passing it on shouldn`t be news. The numbers of cases is being used even more extremely now than when there was no vaccine, which is for me, the ridiculous part. What was the point in getting vaccinated then if the situation is now worse than it ever was?
I am vaccinated btw
That (Times) story, if accurate is misleading.
Research found that being double jabbed does not reduce risk of passing Covid *within households*
Widespread scientific consensus has found that vaccinated people are less likely to spread Covid, and symptoms (if you do catch it) are much less severe.
To go back to the oft used seat belt analogy, wearing one does not prevent you from being in a car accident but significantly reduces the risk of injury/death.
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
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A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 2 minutes ago
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced.
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This is the main part I am complaining about. There is no differentiation being made, whether the infected are vaccinated or not. Being vaccinated should be, in the main, a reason for this not being a serious issue. You`d never know from the statements etc. It`s the same here btw.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
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A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
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I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
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Grandparents are the first point of call for most parents in terms of babysitters.
I dont think its out of the question tbh
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posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
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A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
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I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
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The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
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I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
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The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
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OK. I was really talking about the 'young' as opposed to kids.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
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"More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19."
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
Making definitive statements such as "Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid" is not supported by the ongoing scientific research.
I admit to living in fear of this. My 2 year old was premature and has bronchiolitis which should get better as she gets older but is currently on inhalers and flus and infections floor her.
Recently she had to be taken in for 2 day and kept on oxygen, i'm telling you now as a parent seeing your little one lying on a hospital bed with an oxygen mask over their face is fvcking heartbreaking.
Take the fvcking jags and stop moaning.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middl... (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
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"More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19."
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
Making definitive statements such as "Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid" is not supported by the ongoing scientific research.
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I was simply saying what the JCVI said earlier this year….
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58423152.amp
Even what you’ve posted says vaccine trials are ongoing. Never mind likes of Moderna and AZ being banned for u30s, never mind kids.
Vaccinating kids when trials are ongoing where there is no high risk is simply wrong
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
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comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middl... (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
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"More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19."
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
Making definitive statements such as "Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid" is not supported by the ongoing scientific research.
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I was simply saying what the JCVI said earlier this year….
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58423152.amp
Even what you’ve posted says vaccine trials are ongoing. Never mind likes of Moderna and AZ being banned for u30s, never mind kids.
Vaccinating kids when trials are ongoing where there is no high risk is simply wrong
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As noted:
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is *suitable for use* by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination."
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19."
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
Making definitive statements such as "Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid" is not supported by the ongoing scientific research.
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I was simply saying what the JCVI said earlier this year….
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58423152.amp
Even what you’ve posted says vaccine trials are ongoing. Never mind likes of Moderna and AZ being banned for u30s, never mind kids.
Vaccinating kids when trials are ongoing where there is no high risk is simply wrong
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As noted:
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is *suitable for use* by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination."
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Aye so exactly what I said, vaccinate kids that are high risk.
No need to vaccinate other kids just now.
The government should be in jail for their tactics over the past year. They have likely killed many by telling them they are protecting their loved ones by getting vaccinated, just to reach targets. I can paint you a scenario where this will have killed people if you like.
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
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posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19."
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
Making definitive statements such as "Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid" is not supported by the ongoing scientific research.
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I was simply saying what the JCVI said earlier this year….
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58423152.amp
Even what you’ve posted says vaccine trials are ongoing. Never mind likes of Moderna and AZ being banned for u30s, never mind kids.
Vaccinating kids when trials are ongoing where there is no high risk is simply wrong
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As noted:
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is *suitable for use* by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination."
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Aye so exactly what I said, vaccinate kids that are high risk.
No need to vaccinate other kids just now.
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That's not what the WHO concluded as you can see from their aforementioned recommendations.
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 15 minutes ago
I admit to living in fear of this. My 2 year old was premature and has bronchiolitis which should get better as she gets older but is currently on inhalers and flus and infections floor her.
Recently she had to be taken in for 2 day and kept on oxygen, i'm telling you now as a parent seeing your little one lying on a hospital bed with an oxygen mask over their face is fvcking heartbreaking.
Take the fvcking jags and stop moaning.
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JFK
I hope the wee one is ok
‘ Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.’
I don’t think this is true-unless you can show otherwise.
Kids under 18 are only getting one dose-we managed to get my son in for 2 before they changed it for 16-18 year olds, but 12-15 were only getting 1 dose. You can’t get a booster yet for under 50’s. Only those at high risk can get a booster and I don’t see why that would be an issue if it’s deemed safe for them?!
And I don’t think anyone can get a booster if they’ve had covid within the last 30 days. Might be longer.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 5 minutes ago
‘ Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.’
I don’t think this is true-unless you can show otherwise.
Kids under 18 are only getting one dose-we managed to get my son in for 2 before they changed it for 16-18 year olds, but 12-15 were only getting 1 dose. You can’t get a booster yet for under 50’s. Only those at high risk can get a booster and I don’t see why that would be an issue if it’s deemed safe for them?!
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I say booster, but would’ve been second jab for kid that’s not high risk but in a high risk household after having covid a few weeks ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59298833
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
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posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
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"More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19."
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
Making definitive statements such as "Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid" is not supported by the ongoing scientific research.
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I was simply saying what the JCVI said earlier this year….
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58423152.amp
Even what you’ve posted says vaccine trials are ongoing. Never mind likes of Moderna and AZ being banned for u30s, never mind kids.
Vaccinating kids when trials are ongoing where there is no high risk is simply wrong
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As noted:
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is *suitable for use* by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination."
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Aye so exactly what I said, vaccinate kids that are high risk.
No need to vaccinate other kids just now.
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That's not what the WHO concluded as you can see from their aforementioned recommendations.
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The JCVI concluded otherwise.
The WHO say ‘suitable’ And clearly say trials are ongoing for kids….
Shame on you if you want non high risk kids to protect you and have a medical treatment they don’t need, when trials haven’t finished.
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posted on 19/11/21
Not sure how much pressure he's under. I don't see any way they'll scrap the scheme.
posted on 19/11/21
I finally downloaded the app this week so they better not scrap it now
Can't see it getting scrapped given that it seems to be getting adopted in country after country in recent weeks (Sweden the latest that I read about this week).
Again, I have concerns about it and don't particularly like it - and I see no way in which it can be effectively policed - but I'd be stunned if they stop it at this point in time.
posted on 19/11/21
I have it but I don't see the point in it. I got the jabs to protect me.
getting the jabs doesn't stop anyone near me unjabbed catching it
However, they won't ditch it now
posted on 19/11/21
We`ve had the passport in Switzerland for months and is used extensively in the EU. The Apps are linked. Don`t have an issue with them.
Biggest issue for me is the way things are being reported and explained and used.
The vaccine was to make the effects of catching the virus milder, avoiding the need to go to hospital in most cases. There are always exceptions.
So hearing so much about vaccinated people getting the virus and passing it on shouldn`t be news. The numbers of cases is being used even more extremely now than when there was no vaccine, which is for me, the ridiculous part. What was the point in getting vaccinated then if the situation is now worse than it ever was?
I am vaccinated btw
posted on 19/11/21
That (Times) story, if accurate is misleading.
Research found that being double jabbed does not reduce risk of passing Covid *within households*
Widespread scientific consensus has found that vaccinated people are less likely to spread Covid, and symptoms (if you do catch it) are much less severe.
To go back to the oft used seat belt analogy, wearing one does not prevent you from being in a car accident but significantly reduces the risk of injury/death.
posted on 19/11/21
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
posted on 19/11/21
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
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A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
posted on 19/11/21
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 2 minutes ago
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced.
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This is the main part I am complaining about. There is no differentiation being made, whether the infected are vaccinated or not. Being vaccinated should be, in the main, a reason for this not being a serious issue. You`d never know from the statements etc. It`s the same here btw.
posted on 19/11/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
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A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
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I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
posted on 19/11/21
Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
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Grandparents are the first point of call for most parents in terms of babysitters.
I dont think its out of the question tbh
posted on 19/11/21
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
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I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
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The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
posted on 19/11/21
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
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A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
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I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
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The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
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OK. I was really talking about the 'young' as opposed to kids.
posted on 19/11/21
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
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"More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19."
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
Making definitive statements such as "Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid" is not supported by the ongoing scientific research.
posted on 19/11/21
I admit to living in fear of this. My 2 year old was premature and has bronchiolitis which should get better as she gets older but is currently on inhalers and flus and infections floor her.
Recently she had to be taken in for 2 day and kept on oxygen, i'm telling you now as a parent seeing your little one lying on a hospital bed with an oxygen mask over their face is fvcking heartbreaking.
Take the fvcking jags and stop moaning.
posted on 19/11/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middl... (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
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A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
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"More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19."
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
Making definitive statements such as "Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid" is not supported by the ongoing scientific research.
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I was simply saying what the JCVI said earlier this year….
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58423152.amp
Even what you’ve posted says vaccine trials are ongoing. Never mind likes of Moderna and AZ being banned for u30s, never mind kids.
Vaccinating kids when trials are ongoing where there is no high risk is simply wrong
posted on 19/11/21
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
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posted on 19/11/21
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middl... (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19."
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
Making definitive statements such as "Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid" is not supported by the ongoing scientific research.
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I was simply saying what the JCVI said earlier this year….
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58423152.amp
Even what you’ve posted says vaccine trials are ongoing. Never mind likes of Moderna and AZ being banned for u30s, never mind kids.
Vaccinating kids when trials are ongoing where there is no high risk is simply wrong
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As noted:
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is *suitable for use* by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination."
posted on 19/11/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middl... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middl... (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19."
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
Making definitive statements such as "Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid" is not supported by the ongoing scientific research.
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I was simply saying what the JCVI said earlier this year….
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58423152.amp
Even what you’ve posted says vaccine trials are ongoing. Never mind likes of Moderna and AZ being banned for u30s, never mind kids.
Vaccinating kids when trials are ongoing where there is no high risk is simply wrong
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As noted:
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is *suitable for use* by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination."
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Aye so exactly what I said, vaccinate kids that are high risk.
No need to vaccinate other kids just now.
posted on 19/11/21
The government should be in jail for their tactics over the past year. They have likely killed many by telling them they are protecting their loved ones by getting vaccinated, just to reach targets. I can paint you a scenario where this will have killed people if you like.
posted on 19/11/21
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middl... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middl... (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Magnum( proper bears seem to get on OK with me... (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19."
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
Making definitive statements such as "Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid" is not supported by the ongoing scientific research.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was simply saying what the JCVI said earlier this year….
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58423152.amp
Even what you’ve posted says vaccine trials are ongoing. Never mind likes of Moderna and AZ being banned for u30s, never mind kids.
Vaccinating kids when trials are ongoing where there is no high risk is simply wrong
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As noted:
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is *suitable for use* by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination."
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Aye so exactly what I said, vaccinate kids that are high risk.
No need to vaccinate other kids just now.
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That's not what the WHO concluded as you can see from their aforementioned recommendations.
posted on 19/11/21
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 15 minutes ago
I admit to living in fear of this. My 2 year old was premature and has bronchiolitis which should get better as she gets older but is currently on inhalers and flus and infections floor her.
Recently she had to be taken in for 2 day and kept on oxygen, i'm telling you now as a parent seeing your little one lying on a hospital bed with an oxygen mask over their face is fvcking heartbreaking.
Take the fvcking jags and stop moaning.
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JFK
I hope the wee one is ok
posted on 19/11/21
‘ Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.’
I don’t think this is true-unless you can show otherwise.
Kids under 18 are only getting one dose-we managed to get my son in for 2 before they changed it for 16-18 year olds, but 12-15 were only getting 1 dose. You can’t get a booster yet for under 50’s. Only those at high risk can get a booster and I don’t see why that would be an issue if it’s deemed safe for them?!
posted on 19/11/21
And I don’t think anyone can get a booster if they’ve had covid within the last 30 days. Might be longer.
posted on 19/11/21
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 5 minutes ago
‘ Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.’
I don’t think this is true-unless you can show otherwise.
Kids under 18 are only getting one dose-we managed to get my son in for 2 before they changed it for 16-18 year olds, but 12-15 were only getting 1 dose. You can’t get a booster yet for under 50’s. Only those at high risk can get a booster and I don’t see why that would be an issue if it’s deemed safe for them?!
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I say booster, but would’ve been second jab for kid that’s not high risk but in a high risk household after having covid a few weeks ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59298833
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Didn’t Ireland have the jab passports then get rid when rates got super high? Thought they did anyway and assume that is the point
The idea that the jab will stop spread is just misleading. It’s going to spread regardless of how many folk get jabbed and how often.
The jab is obviously key to ensuring that serious illnesses is greatly reduced. Totally against the vaccines for children, and the idea they need to protect us is ridiculous.
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A host of kids in our local footy team, (u13s) have caught covid and became quite ill.
The narrative that kids are somehow immune to covid/long covid is wholly untrue.
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I had a very bad feeling about that message from Day 1. The science seemed to support it but it couldn't have been sufficient for the level of confidence they portrayed.
Once the message was out there that the young were fine it was very difficult to backtrack.
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The number of kids hospitalised is ridiculously low, and kids are generally not getting ill with it. Fact is JCVI concluded the vaccine was as great a risk as covid based on data available. Course there will be kids with health conditions that should be vaxxed.
Gov were telling kids to get booster vaccine even straight after covid till yesterday, as with new data became clear that was wrong. Even though common sense tells you do not need a booster straight after recovery.
The idea that a child having the vaccine will protect grandparents is ridiculous, grandparents and parents should be protecting kids. Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid, and the jab doesn’t stop kids getting it; which the guidance booster yesterday highlights.
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"More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19."
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
Making definitive statements such as "Vaccines are as big a risk to kids as covid" is not supported by the ongoing scientific research.
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I was simply saying what the JCVI said earlier this year….
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58423152.amp
Even what you’ve posted says vaccine trials are ongoing. Never mind likes of Moderna and AZ being banned for u30s, never mind kids.
Vaccinating kids when trials are ongoing where there is no high risk is simply wrong
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As noted:
"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is *suitable for use* by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination."
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Aye so exactly what I said, vaccinate kids that are high risk.
No need to vaccinate other kids just now.
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That's not what the WHO concluded as you can see from their aforementioned recommendations.
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The JCVI concluded otherwise.
The WHO say ‘suitable’ And clearly say trials are ongoing for kids….
Shame on you if you want non high risk kids to protect you and have a medical treatment they don’t need, when trials haven’t finished.
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