The irony is that I doubt a SAF of today is the type of manager our club would hire.
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
The irony is that I doubt a SAF of today is the type of manager our club would hire.
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Football moves far quicker these days, we need to move on from expecting another SAF to walk through the door. It's just not sustainable anymore long term for a club our size and expectation to continue to try papering over the cracks, when there are clear deficiencies elsewhere.
This United way BS is holding us back
Fergie has no say on the recruitment of the new manager. Murtough and Fletcher will have that responsibility. If you want to blame somebody at the club for crap recruitment over the past 9 years look no futher than the outgoing CEO.
comment by RB&W - The Front Man (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
Fergie has no say on the recruitment of the new manager. Murtough and Fletcher will have that responsibility. If you want to blame somebody at the club for crap recruitment over the past 9 years look no futher than the outgoing CEO.
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Probably shouldn't have put SAF and recruitment of managers and players in sentences next to each other, but I didn't mean that.
I think what they tried to create was another Bayern Munich.
but sadly its poorly executed and to be fair even if it wasn't, this isnt Germany, every time an upstart takes a shot at Bayern they end up losing theyre best player to them
too many clubs with too much money to allow for that kind of monopoly
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 55 minutes ago
The irony is that I doubt a SAF of today is the type of manager our club would hire.
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You reckon? I'm pretty sure every managerless club on the planet would be clamouring for the bloke who had just taken a relative minnow like Aberdeen to League and European success!
Unfortunately Manchester United appear to be totally a business concern and no longer a club that can be bothered with the fans or the club's heritage. After 60 years I can no longer support the team.
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 55 minutes ago
The irony is that I doubt a SAF of today is the type of manager our club would hire.
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You reckon? I'm pretty sure every managerless club on the planet would be clamouring for the bloke who had just taken a relative minnow like Aberdeen to League and European success!
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Chelsea went for Jose for just that.
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 7 hours, 9 minutes ago
I think what they tried to create was another Bayern Munich.
but sadly its poorly executed and to be fair even if it wasn't, this isnt Germany, every time an upstart takes a shot at Bayern they end up losing theyre best player to them
too many clubs with too much money to allow for that kind of monopoly
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It's not just Bayern Munich though. PSG, Barcelona, Real Madrid all have (and/or have a successful history of) ex-players in the coaching and executive staff. The idea in itself doesn't seem to be a bad one and perhaps the individuals involved aren't lacking in quality. I think the fundamental issue at United is that the decision making power isn't in the hands of the right football industry experienced people. When you have the wrong people making decisions, they can't effectively measure the performance of the people below them, aren't in a position to oversee a coherent structure, and overall strategy and individual decisions will suffer.
Having ex United staff in key positions is like positive discrimination. They are getting the job because they worked at Utd in the golden Fergie era, they know what it took to be successful then and they are winners.
This does not make them good managers or coaches as numerous United legends have proven.
I also think the whole Fergie way, the United way is no longer relevant in modern football. Players have even greater powers and earn absolute fortunes. Its not good enough to shout at them and say This is United, you must maintain our standards and traditions. Players simply do not care. They want success for themselves and really few actually care who provides that opportunity for them. If not they sit back and earn their fortunes anyway. United are no longer the only superpower dominating so the message has been weakened.
It is also a contradiction to expect Players to buy in to The United Way when the club are not actually acting in this way themselves. Ole got the job not on the back of his coaching ability and you could probably say the same about Carrick Phelan et al. How can you expect Players to aspire to be the absolute best when the key coaching roles are filled by relative amateurs with club connections.
I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with having ex-players involved in the club, i'm sure it can be a benefit in many ways... But like any other staff member, they need to have targets to achieve and if they fail, they get the boot.
I agree the whole "UTD way" thing needs to stop though... Even SAF himself changed how we played throughout his career.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 25 minutes ago
I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with having ex-players involved in the club, i'm sure it can be a benefit in many ways... But like any other staff member, they need to have targets to achieve and if they fail, they get the boot.
I agree the whole "UTD way" thing needs to stop though... Even SAF himself changed how we played throughout his career.
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it wasnt even the utd way though, it was the fergie way
You can comparer Utd to Nokia, once supreme, completely dominated, but gradually with time, become stuck in the past with their own success and too stubborn to make changes, whilst others innovated and pulled well ahead. They still believe what worked before will still work, clinging onto the past glories. Now only big by name.
Football is evolving rapidly, what worked even 5 years ago isn't going to work today, yet here we are still trying emulate the 90s structure.
I don’t get why people are so opposed to the United Way, it’s only some guiding principles based around youth and attacking football. The club haven’t even been obsessed with it, otherwise we would play more youth players and actually play attacking football.
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 minutes ago
You can comparer Utd to Nokia, once supreme, completely dominated, but gradually with time, become stuck in the past with their own success and too stubborn to make changes, whilst others innovated and pulled well ahead. They still believe what worked before will still work, clinging onto the past glories. Now only big by name.
Football is evolving rapidly, what worked even 5 years ago isn't going to work today, yet here we are still trying emulate the 90s structure.
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The Nokia way
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 minutes ago
You can comparer Utd to Nokia, once supreme, completely dominated, but gradually with time, become stuck in the past with their own success and too stubborn to make changes, whilst others innovated and pulled well ahead. They still believe what worked before will still work, clinging onto the past glories. Now only big by name.
Football is evolving rapidly, what worked even 5 years ago isn't going to work today, yet here we are still trying emulate the 90s structure.
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The Nokia way
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Still using keypads and txtng lk dis, capacitive touch screen and QWERTY keyboard is for egos.
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 minutes ago
You can comparer Utd to Nokia, once supreme, completely dominated, but gradually with time, become stuck in the past with their own success and too stubborn to make changes, whilst others innovated and pulled well ahead. They still believe what worked before will still work, clinging onto the past glories. Now only big by name.
Football is evolving rapidly, what worked even 5 years ago isn't going to work today, yet here we are still trying emulate the 90s structure.
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The Nokia way
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Still using keypads and txtng lk dis, capacitive touch screen and QWERTY keyboard is for egos.
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The snake formation is the blueprint for the ages
Dazza is right. "The United way" is basically a rhetorical device - and of course the business is trading off its heritage more and more when the current product is awful. You could say that Solskjaer's appointment was one substantive failure based on this ethos, but I'd argue the core problem is that the people making the decisions aren't qualified to make them. Woodward may have channelled 'the United way' when picking and then backing Solskjaer, but the same man also appointed three other managers with no prior connection with the club or its style of play. The latest iteration of failure has had a 'United DNA' theme to it but it's part of a wider picture of failure driven by a more fundamental issue of arrogant leadership that hasn't bothered to lean on specialist knowledge.
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 minutes ago
You can comparer Utd to Nokia, once supreme, completely dominated, but gradually with time, become stuck in the past with their own success and too stubborn to make changes, whilst others innovated and pulled well ahead. They still believe what worked before will still work, clinging onto the past glories. Now only big by name.
Football is evolving rapidly, what worked even 5 years ago isn't going to work today, yet here we are still trying emulate the 90s structure.
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The Nokia way
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Still using keypads and txtng lk dis, capacitive touch screen and QWERTY keyboard is for egos.
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The snake formation is the blueprint for the ages
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And the never say die battery.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
I don’t get why people are so opposed to the United Way, it’s only some guiding principles based around youth and attacking football. The club haven’t even been obsessed with it, otherwise we would play more youth players and actually play attacking football.
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No but the Media and ex-United players are obsessed with it. We need to move past that now, and it's not just the football and youth they are talking about when they mention it. It's about how things are behind the scenes too.
Either way, everything needs a revamp, top to bottom. I just don't see us being successful on a long term sustainable level otherwise.
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
The snake formation is the blueprint for the ages
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I lost days of my life to Snakes on my first Nokia phone circa 2001.
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 minutes ago
You can comparer Utd to Nokia, once supreme, completely dominated, but gradually with time, become stuck in the past with their own success and too stubborn to make changes, whilst others innovated and pulled well ahead. They still believe what worked before will still work, clinging onto the past glories. Now only big by name.
Football is evolving rapidly, what worked even 5 years ago isn't going to work today, yet here we are still trying emulate the 90s structure.
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The Nokia way
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Still using keypads and txtng lk dis, capacitive touch screen and QWERTY keyboard is for egos.
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The snake formation is the blueprint for the ages
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And the never say die battery.
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We need Park Ji Sung back for that
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
The snake formation is the blueprint for the ages
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I lost days of my life to Snakes on my first Nokia phone circa 2001.
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Me too. Then I cheated on him with brick breaker on my then state of the art blackberry on many a tube journey
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posted on 24/11/21
The irony is that I doubt a SAF of today is the type of manager our club would hire.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
The irony is that I doubt a SAF of today is the type of manager our club would hire.
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Football moves far quicker these days, we need to move on from expecting another SAF to walk through the door. It's just not sustainable anymore long term for a club our size and expectation to continue to try papering over the cracks, when there are clear deficiencies elsewhere.
posted on 24/11/21
This United way BS is holding us back
posted on 24/11/21
Fergie has no say on the recruitment of the new manager. Murtough and Fletcher will have that responsibility. If you want to blame somebody at the club for crap recruitment over the past 9 years look no futher than the outgoing CEO.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by RB&W - The Front Man (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
Fergie has no say on the recruitment of the new manager. Murtough and Fletcher will have that responsibility. If you want to blame somebody at the club for crap recruitment over the past 9 years look no futher than the outgoing CEO.
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Probably shouldn't have put SAF and recruitment of managers and players in sentences next to each other, but I didn't mean that.
posted on 24/11/21
I think what they tried to create was another Bayern Munich.
but sadly its poorly executed and to be fair even if it wasn't, this isnt Germany, every time an upstart takes a shot at Bayern they end up losing theyre best player to them
too many clubs with too much money to allow for that kind of monopoly
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 55 minutes ago
The irony is that I doubt a SAF of today is the type of manager our club would hire.
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You reckon? I'm pretty sure every managerless club on the planet would be clamouring for the bloke who had just taken a relative minnow like Aberdeen to League and European success!
posted on 25/11/21
Unfortunately Manchester United appear to be totally a business concern and no longer a club that can be bothered with the fans or the club's heritage. After 60 years I can no longer support the team.
posted on 25/11/21
I can. And I will.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 55 minutes ago
The irony is that I doubt a SAF of today is the type of manager our club would hire.
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You reckon? I'm pretty sure every managerless club on the planet would be clamouring for the bloke who had just taken a relative minnow like Aberdeen to League and European success!
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Chelsea went for Jose for just that.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 7 hours, 9 minutes ago
I think what they tried to create was another Bayern Munich.
but sadly its poorly executed and to be fair even if it wasn't, this isnt Germany, every time an upstart takes a shot at Bayern they end up losing theyre best player to them
too many clubs with too much money to allow for that kind of monopoly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not just Bayern Munich though. PSG, Barcelona, Real Madrid all have (and/or have a successful history of) ex-players in the coaching and executive staff. The idea in itself doesn't seem to be a bad one and perhaps the individuals involved aren't lacking in quality. I think the fundamental issue at United is that the decision making power isn't in the hands of the right football industry experienced people. When you have the wrong people making decisions, they can't effectively measure the performance of the people below them, aren't in a position to oversee a coherent structure, and overall strategy and individual decisions will suffer.
posted on 25/11/21
Having ex United staff in key positions is like positive discrimination. They are getting the job because they worked at Utd in the golden Fergie era, they know what it took to be successful then and they are winners.
This does not make them good managers or coaches as numerous United legends have proven.
I also think the whole Fergie way, the United way is no longer relevant in modern football. Players have even greater powers and earn absolute fortunes. Its not good enough to shout at them and say This is United, you must maintain our standards and traditions. Players simply do not care. They want success for themselves and really few actually care who provides that opportunity for them. If not they sit back and earn their fortunes anyway. United are no longer the only superpower dominating so the message has been weakened.
It is also a contradiction to expect Players to buy in to The United Way when the club are not actually acting in this way themselves. Ole got the job not on the back of his coaching ability and you could probably say the same about Carrick Phelan et al. How can you expect Players to aspire to be the absolute best when the key coaching roles are filled by relative amateurs with club connections.
posted on 25/11/21
I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with having ex-players involved in the club, i'm sure it can be a benefit in many ways... But like any other staff member, they need to have targets to achieve and if they fail, they get the boot.
I agree the whole "UTD way" thing needs to stop though... Even SAF himself changed how we played throughout his career.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 25 minutes ago
I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with having ex-players involved in the club, i'm sure it can be a benefit in many ways... But like any other staff member, they need to have targets to achieve and if they fail, they get the boot.
I agree the whole "UTD way" thing needs to stop though... Even SAF himself changed how we played throughout his career.
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it wasnt even the utd way though, it was the fergie way
posted on 25/11/21
You can comparer Utd to Nokia, once supreme, completely dominated, but gradually with time, become stuck in the past with their own success and too stubborn to make changes, whilst others innovated and pulled well ahead. They still believe what worked before will still work, clinging onto the past glories. Now only big by name.
Football is evolving rapidly, what worked even 5 years ago isn't going to work today, yet here we are still trying emulate the 90s structure.
posted on 25/11/21
I don’t get why people are so opposed to the United Way, it’s only some guiding principles based around youth and attacking football. The club haven’t even been obsessed with it, otherwise we would play more youth players and actually play attacking football.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 minutes ago
You can comparer Utd to Nokia, once supreme, completely dominated, but gradually with time, become stuck in the past with their own success and too stubborn to make changes, whilst others innovated and pulled well ahead. They still believe what worked before will still work, clinging onto the past glories. Now only big by name.
Football is evolving rapidly, what worked even 5 years ago isn't going to work today, yet here we are still trying emulate the 90s structure.
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The Nokia way
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 minutes ago
You can comparer Utd to Nokia, once supreme, completely dominated, but gradually with time, become stuck in the past with their own success and too stubborn to make changes, whilst others innovated and pulled well ahead. They still believe what worked before will still work, clinging onto the past glories. Now only big by name.
Football is evolving rapidly, what worked even 5 years ago isn't going to work today, yet here we are still trying emulate the 90s structure.
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The Nokia way
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Still using keypads and txtng lk dis, capacitive touch screen and QWERTY keyboard is for egos.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 minutes ago
You can comparer Utd to Nokia, once supreme, completely dominated, but gradually with time, become stuck in the past with their own success and too stubborn to make changes, whilst others innovated and pulled well ahead. They still believe what worked before will still work, clinging onto the past glories. Now only big by name.
Football is evolving rapidly, what worked even 5 years ago isn't going to work today, yet here we are still trying emulate the 90s structure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Nokia way
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Still using keypads and txtng lk dis, capacitive touch screen and QWERTY keyboard is for egos.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The snake formation is the blueprint for the ages
posted on 25/11/21
Dazza is right. "The United way" is basically a rhetorical device - and of course the business is trading off its heritage more and more when the current product is awful. You could say that Solskjaer's appointment was one substantive failure based on this ethos, but I'd argue the core problem is that the people making the decisions aren't qualified to make them. Woodward may have channelled 'the United way' when picking and then backing Solskjaer, but the same man also appointed three other managers with no prior connection with the club or its style of play. The latest iteration of failure has had a 'United DNA' theme to it but it's part of a wider picture of failure driven by a more fundamental issue of arrogant leadership that hasn't bothered to lean on specialist knowledge.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 minutes ago
You can comparer Utd to Nokia, once supreme, completely dominated, but gradually with time, become stuck in the past with their own success and too stubborn to make changes, whilst others innovated and pulled well ahead. They still believe what worked before will still work, clinging onto the past glories. Now only big by name.
Football is evolving rapidly, what worked even 5 years ago isn't going to work today, yet here we are still trying emulate the 90s structure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Nokia way
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Still using keypads and txtng lk dis, capacitive touch screen and QWERTY keyboard is for egos.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The snake formation is the blueprint for the ages
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And the never say die battery.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
I don’t get why people are so opposed to the United Way, it’s only some guiding principles based around youth and attacking football. The club haven’t even been obsessed with it, otherwise we would play more youth players and actually play attacking football.
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No but the Media and ex-United players are obsessed with it. We need to move past that now, and it's not just the football and youth they are talking about when they mention it. It's about how things are behind the scenes too.
Either way, everything needs a revamp, top to bottom. I just don't see us being successful on a long term sustainable level otherwise.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
The snake formation is the blueprint for the ages
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I lost days of my life to Snakes on my first Nokia phone circa 2001.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 11 minutes ago
You can comparer Utd to Nokia, once supreme, completely dominated, but gradually with time, become stuck in the past with their own success and too stubborn to make changes, whilst others innovated and pulled well ahead. They still believe what worked before will still work, clinging onto the past glories. Now only big by name.
Football is evolving rapidly, what worked even 5 years ago isn't going to work today, yet here we are still trying emulate the 90s structure.
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The Nokia way
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Still using keypads and txtng lk dis, capacitive touch screen and QWERTY keyboard is for egos.
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The snake formation is the blueprint for the ages
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And the never say die battery.
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We need Park Ji Sung back for that
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
The snake formation is the blueprint for the ages
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I lost days of my life to Snakes on my first Nokia phone circa 2001.
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Me too. Then I cheated on him with brick breaker on my then state of the art blackberry on many a tube journey
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