Hasn't he scored like 10 goals in 14??
Jonathon Wilson in the Guardian thinks he's the issue:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/nov/21/cristiano-ronaldo-is-the-biggest-problem-for-next-manchester-united-manager
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 7 minutes ago
Hasn't he scored like 10 goals in 14??
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Exactly but the team has regressed.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 7 minutes ago
Hasn't he scored like 10 goals in 14??
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Exactly but the team has regressed.
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We were poor before he joined though. We didn’t even qualify from the CL whereas this time we have. He’s an easy scapegoat but it’s not his fault our defence is terrible or our midfield was never fixed.
Last season we went behind in a huge number of games which suggests that our gameplan has been bad for ages. Ronaldo wasn’t playing then. It was and always has been a coaching issue.
I think it's a little unfair to blame Ronaldo for all of our ills. Let's see how we do when the team is a little more organised.
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last season we went behind in a huge number of games which suggests that our gameplan has been bad for ages. Ronaldo wasn’t playing then. It was and always has been a coaching issue.
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We did only lose 6 PL games last season though. The same as City did.
We've already matched that this season by Nov.
As great as his finishing still is, his total lack of work off the ball is definitely not helping us.
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last season we went behind in a huge number of games which suggests that our gameplan has been bad for ages. Ronaldo wasn’t playing then. It was and always has been a coaching issue.
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We did only lose 6 PL games last season though. The same as City did.
We've already matched that this season by Nov.
As great as his finishing still is, his total lack of work off the ball is definitely not helping us.
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That’s for us to adapt our style to though. The last manager was naive enough to play two man midfields and allow sides to run straight through us. The benefits Ronaldo brings far outweigh the negatives, especially as we already have the answers to those questions inns the squad.
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last season we went behind in a huge number of games which suggests that our gameplan has been bad for ages. Ronaldo wasn’t playing then. It was and always has been a coaching issue.
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We did only lose 6 PL games last season though. The same as City did.
We've already matched that this season by Nov.
As great as his finishing still is, his total lack of work off the ball is definitely not helping us.
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If you look at those games case by case though, and swap Ronaldo for Greenwood or Martial or Cavani, there's still no way those games turn into wins simply because of that 1 change.
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last season we went behind in a huge number of games which suggests that our gameplan has been bad for ages. Ronaldo wasn’t playing then. It was and always has been a coaching issue.
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We did only lose 6 PL games last season though. The same as City did.
We've already matched that this season by Nov.
As great as his finishing still is, his total lack of work off the ball is definitely not helping us.
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That’s for us to adapt our style to though. The last manager was naive enough to play two man midfields and allow sides to run straight through us. The benefits Ronaldo brings far outweigh the negatives, especially as we already have the answers to those questions inns the squad.
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Centre backs can take time on the ball against us which makes mistakes far less likely to happen and thats because he doesn't close anyone down.
Amazing finisher he is I don't think you can afford to let the opposition have time on the ball at the back anymore.
Ronaldo is not the main problem in the team. Lack of coaching, midfield and defensive stability is.
One player can afford not to press as much, Ronaldo does actually press more than I thought he would. He's an elite goalscorer. We have not played to his strengths at all yet he's scoring goals.
Rashford - Ronaldo - Sancho will bring out more from him I believe, along with better attacking patterns and coaching and a better midfield.
I can’t be bothered to debate the merits of this argument anymore, it’s stupid because most people don’t pay attention to what else if happening on the pitch.
But am I the only one that hates that it’s been normalised to value the defensive contribution of a forward as much as their attacking contributions?
Klopp, Pep and Mourinho have a lot to answer for.
Has less pressing from the front caused countless individual errors in defensive situations?
What we’ve seen in the last two games from Sancho on the right is something we haven’t seen in years and what will make Ronaldo even more dangerous - actual, bonafide crosses from the right side! Just imagine how many headers Ronaldo and Cavani will score from those balls in.
comment by Jizz_Hornkamp (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
Has less pressing from the front caused countless individual errors in defensive situations?
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Mate, it's ronaldos fault that awb lindleoff and Maguire are the worst defenders in any top team in Europe - didn't you know?
We have an elite forward who's great in the air and can score with both feet. I want the ball played into him in and around the area as often as possible. Because he's so elite you'd think there'd always be two watching him at least. This should allow us to outnumber teams elsewhere. I'm convinced if we saw a 433 with the wide forwards working hard and the midfielders keeping it nice, simple and compact we'd see a big improvement. We've been far too passive IMO. We should be telling most teams "Look at us, we're to be feared" rather than the "How can we stop the opposition" approach.
Even Kevin Davies did more running than Ronnie
Most important part of football, putting the ball in the net, he’s not bad at it
We were poor before he joined though.
…..
Stop re inventing history.
comment by GregOle (U1192)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jizz_Hornkamp (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
Has less pressing from the front caused countless individual errors in defensive situations?
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Mate, it's ronaldos fault that awb lindleoff and Maguire are the worst defenders in any top team in Europe - didn't you know?
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The Athletic's analysis of our defense states that "Lindelof, often considered a weak link, has actually been the one United defender roughly doing the right thing, and has rarely been at fault for concessions."
They excoriate Maguire, AWB, Shaw and Bailly for their positioning and decision making though.
I’ve more of a problem with the fact that apart from goal scoring Ronaldo’s a pretty average player nowadays.
comment by The Post Nearly Mancho (U1270)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by GregOle (U1192)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jizz_Hornkamp (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
Has less pressing from the front caused countless individual errors in defensive situations?
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Mate, it's ronaldos fault that awb lindleoff and Maguire are the worst defenders in any top team in Europe - didn't you know?
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The Athletic's analysis of our defense states that "Lindelof, often considered a weak link, has actually been the one United defender roughly doing the right thing, and has rarely been at fault for concessions."
They excoriate Maguire, AWB, Shaw and Bailly for their positioning and decision making though.
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Would be interesting to see how Varane and Lindelof would do together for a few months
But am I the only one that hates that it’s been normalised to value the defensive contribution of a forward as much as their attacking contributions?
……
This is a fair point but then Fred / Bruno / Beekers shouldn’t be the ones stopping the keeper from bringing the ball out of his penalty area to start off opposition attacks.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
I can’t be bothered to debate the merits of this argument anymore, it’s stupid because most people don’t pay attention to what else if happening on the pitch.
But am I the only one that hates that it’s been normalised to value the defensive contribution of a forward as much as their attacking contributions?
Klopp, Pep and Mourinho have a lot to answer for.
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IMO it's just a result of the level of interest fans have in tactics and the strategic battle these days. Michels' Holland team pressed. Sacchi's Milan closed you down and outnumbered you. Fans didn't really talk about that though. Even in my lifetime, the type of discussion now compared to 25 years ago is very different. Fans are just more knowledgeable these days, albeit some days on JA606 you really wouldn't know it
I think the Rashford on the left, Ronaldo in the middle and Sancho on the right axis will be quite formidable this season. Especially with a 3 man midfield behind it.
There talk that Poch would play Bruno as a right sided midfielder like he did with Eriksen. Remains to be seen who plays the other two positions. Will Pogba ever play for us again?
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posted on 25/11/21
Hasn't he scored like 10 goals in 14??
posted on 25/11/21
Jonathon Wilson in the Guardian thinks he's the issue:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/nov/21/cristiano-ronaldo-is-the-biggest-problem-for-next-manchester-united-manager
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 7 minutes ago
Hasn't he scored like 10 goals in 14??
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Exactly but the team has regressed.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 7 minutes ago
Hasn't he scored like 10 goals in 14??
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Exactly but the team has regressed.
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We were poor before he joined though. We didn’t even qualify from the CL whereas this time we have. He’s an easy scapegoat but it’s not his fault our defence is terrible or our midfield was never fixed.
posted on 25/11/21
Last season we went behind in a huge number of games which suggests that our gameplan has been bad for ages. Ronaldo wasn’t playing then. It was and always has been a coaching issue.
posted on 25/11/21
I think it's a little unfair to blame Ronaldo for all of our ills. Let's see how we do when the team is a little more organised.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last season we went behind in a huge number of games which suggests that our gameplan has been bad for ages. Ronaldo wasn’t playing then. It was and always has been a coaching issue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We did only lose 6 PL games last season though. The same as City did.
We've already matched that this season by Nov.
As great as his finishing still is, his total lack of work off the ball is definitely not helping us.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last season we went behind in a huge number of games which suggests that our gameplan has been bad for ages. Ronaldo wasn’t playing then. It was and always has been a coaching issue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We did only lose 6 PL games last season though. The same as City did.
We've already matched that this season by Nov.
As great as his finishing still is, his total lack of work off the ball is definitely not helping us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s for us to adapt our style to though. The last manager was naive enough to play two man midfields and allow sides to run straight through us. The benefits Ronaldo brings far outweigh the negatives, especially as we already have the answers to those questions inns the squad.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last season we went behind in a huge number of games which suggests that our gameplan has been bad for ages. Ronaldo wasn’t playing then. It was and always has been a coaching issue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We did only lose 6 PL games last season though. The same as City did.
We've already matched that this season by Nov.
As great as his finishing still is, his total lack of work off the ball is definitely not helping us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you look at those games case by case though, and swap Ronaldo for Greenwood or Martial or Cavani, there's still no way those games turn into wins simply because of that 1 change.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last season we went behind in a huge number of games which suggests that our gameplan has been bad for ages. Ronaldo wasn’t playing then. It was and always has been a coaching issue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We did only lose 6 PL games last season though. The same as City did.
We've already matched that this season by Nov.
As great as his finishing still is, his total lack of work off the ball is definitely not helping us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s for us to adapt our style to though. The last manager was naive enough to play two man midfields and allow sides to run straight through us. The benefits Ronaldo brings far outweigh the negatives, especially as we already have the answers to those questions inns the squad.
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Centre backs can take time on the ball against us which makes mistakes far less likely to happen and thats because he doesn't close anyone down.
Amazing finisher he is I don't think you can afford to let the opposition have time on the ball at the back anymore.
posted on 25/11/21
Ronaldo is not the main problem in the team. Lack of coaching, midfield and defensive stability is.
One player can afford not to press as much, Ronaldo does actually press more than I thought he would. He's an elite goalscorer. We have not played to his strengths at all yet he's scoring goals.
Rashford - Ronaldo - Sancho will bring out more from him I believe, along with better attacking patterns and coaching and a better midfield.
posted on 25/11/21
I can’t be bothered to debate the merits of this argument anymore, it’s stupid because most people don’t pay attention to what else if happening on the pitch.
But am I the only one that hates that it’s been normalised to value the defensive contribution of a forward as much as their attacking contributions?
Klopp, Pep and Mourinho have a lot to answer for.
posted on 25/11/21
Has less pressing from the front caused countless individual errors in defensive situations?
posted on 25/11/21
What we’ve seen in the last two games from Sancho on the right is something we haven’t seen in years and what will make Ronaldo even more dangerous - actual, bonafide crosses from the right side! Just imagine how many headers Ronaldo and Cavani will score from those balls in.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Jizz_Hornkamp (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
Has less pressing from the front caused countless individual errors in defensive situations?
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Mate, it's ronaldos fault that awb lindleoff and Maguire are the worst defenders in any top team in Europe - didn't you know?
posted on 25/11/21
We have an elite forward who's great in the air and can score with both feet. I want the ball played into him in and around the area as often as possible. Because he's so elite you'd think there'd always be two watching him at least. This should allow us to outnumber teams elsewhere. I'm convinced if we saw a 433 with the wide forwards working hard and the midfielders keeping it nice, simple and compact we'd see a big improvement. We've been far too passive IMO. We should be telling most teams "Look at us, we're to be feared" rather than the "How can we stop the opposition" approach.
posted on 25/11/21
Even Kevin Davies did more running than Ronnie
posted on 25/11/21
Most important part of football, putting the ball in the net, he’s not bad at it
posted on 25/11/21
We were poor before he joined though.
…..
Stop re inventing history.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by GregOle (U1192)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jizz_Hornkamp (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
Has less pressing from the front caused countless individual errors in defensive situations?
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Mate, it's ronaldos fault that awb lindleoff and Maguire are the worst defenders in any top team in Europe - didn't you know?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Athletic's analysis of our defense states that "Lindelof, often considered a weak link, has actually been the one United defender roughly doing the right thing, and has rarely been at fault for concessions."
They excoriate Maguire, AWB, Shaw and Bailly for their positioning and decision making though.
posted on 25/11/21
I’ve more of a problem with the fact that apart from goal scoring Ronaldo’s a pretty average player nowadays.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by The Post Nearly Mancho (U1270)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by GregOle (U1192)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jizz_Hornkamp (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
Has less pressing from the front caused countless individual errors in defensive situations?
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Mate, it's ronaldos fault that awb lindleoff and Maguire are the worst defenders in any top team in Europe - didn't you know?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Athletic's analysis of our defense states that "Lindelof, often considered a weak link, has actually been the one United defender roughly doing the right thing, and has rarely been at fault for concessions."
They excoriate Maguire, AWB, Shaw and Bailly for their positioning and decision making though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would be interesting to see how Varane and Lindelof would do together for a few months
posted on 25/11/21
But am I the only one that hates that it’s been normalised to value the defensive contribution of a forward as much as their attacking contributions?
……
This is a fair point but then Fred / Bruno / Beekers shouldn’t be the ones stopping the keeper from bringing the ball out of his penalty area to start off opposition attacks.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
I can’t be bothered to debate the merits of this argument anymore, it’s stupid because most people don’t pay attention to what else if happening on the pitch.
But am I the only one that hates that it’s been normalised to value the defensive contribution of a forward as much as their attacking contributions?
Klopp, Pep and Mourinho have a lot to answer for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
IMO it's just a result of the level of interest fans have in tactics and the strategic battle these days. Michels' Holland team pressed. Sacchi's Milan closed you down and outnumbered you. Fans didn't really talk about that though. Even in my lifetime, the type of discussion now compared to 25 years ago is very different. Fans are just more knowledgeable these days, albeit some days on JA606 you really wouldn't know it
posted on 25/11/21
I think the Rashford on the left, Ronaldo in the middle and Sancho on the right axis will be quite formidable this season. Especially with a 3 man midfield behind it.
There talk that Poch would play Bruno as a right sided midfielder like he did with Eriksen. Remains to be seen who plays the other two positions. Will Pogba ever play for us again?
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