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comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign: gave an 83rd minute penalty (U3627)
posted 27 minutes ago
It does make sense.
The second car to cross the DRS line gets DRS advantage.
Verstappen knew he had to give the position back strategically picked that spot.
Hamilton who didn't know at that point the place was being returned didn't want to pass until after the line as he'd lose the racing advantage.
It's just race strategy but the issue of it all was Verstappen not moving to give sufficient room to pass then slammed his brakes on at the road widening. Even if Hamilton hadn't hit him he'd be manoeuvring and losing DRS.
Verstappen tried to get clever and simply messed it up.
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I've never heard of a driver refuse an overtaking opportunity before. 🤷♂️
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Going first into a DRS zone almost side by side isn't overtaking. It's why you see the overtake later in the straight normally
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comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 6 hours, 55 minutes ago
Stewards: Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the first to cross the DRS.
Hamilton: : “I didn’t get the information, so I didn’t really understand what was going on, it was very very confusing, all of a sudden he started backing up"
This is really odd. A racer does not choose to go P1 for fear of going back to P2 when he was in P2 anyway.
Bit smelly
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Desperate scenes
Once again, Max avoids being disqualified for dangerous driving. Wonder what it will take for him to finally be properly punished.
He is going to kill someone
Rewind 10 years+ and Lewis was the reckless kid who went for every gap and was constantly driving on the edge etc…..
Back then, he was lauded for it…Max is doing it now….and he’s going to kill someone
The Stewards said that Verstappen "braked in a manner which caused a collision".
"The stewards heard from the driver of Car 33, the driver of Car 44 and team representatives, reviewed the video and telemetry evidence and determined that the driver of Car 33 was predominantly at fault," read their statement.
"At turn 21 the driver of Car 33 was given the instruction to give back a position to Car 44 and was told by the team to do so "strategically". Car 33 slowed significantly at turn 26. However, it was obvious that neither driver wanted to take the lead prior to DRS detection line 3.
"The driver of car 33 stated that he was wondering why Car 44 had not overtaken and the driver of Car 44 stated that, not having been aware at that stages that Car 33 was giving the position back, was unaware of the reason Car 33 was slowing. In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly and significantly, resulting inn 2.4g deceleration.
"Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not want to be the first to cross the DRS.
"However, the sudden breaking by the driver of Car 33 was determined by the Stewards to be erratic and hence the predominant cause of the collision and hence the standard penalty of 10 seconds for this type of incident, is imposed."
Next week's going to be interesting, Max being a complete loony he is, knows if both of them DNF, he still wins the drivers championship as he has more wins. Hopefully nothing stupid like that happens but I just don't trust Red Bull and Max.
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 39 minutes ago
Rewind 10 years+ and Lewis was the reckless kid who went for every gap and was constantly driving on the edge etc…..
Back then, he was lauded for it…Max is doing it now….and he’s going to kill someone
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Yeah, the whole world is against Max.
comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 8 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign: gave an 83rd minute penalty (U3627)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign: gave an 83rd minute penalty (U3627)
posted 27 minutes ago
It does make sense.
The second car to cross the DRS line gets DRS advantage.
Verstappen knew he had to give the position back strategically picked that spot.
Hamilton who didn't know at that point the place was being returned didn't want to pass until after the line as he'd lose the racing advantage.
It's just race strategy but the issue of it all was Verstappen not moving to give sufficient room to pass then slammed his brakes on at the road widening. Even if Hamilton hadn't hit him he'd be manoeuvring and losing DRS.
Verstappen tried to get clever and simply messed it up.
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I've never heard of a driver refuse an overtaking opportunity before. 🤷♂️
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Going first into a DRS zone almost side by side isn't overtaking. It's why you see the overtake later in the straight normally
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They would only be side by side at the overtake. If Hamilton didn't slow down, Max wouldn't have caught him, even with DRS.
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Which proves Hamilton's version of events.
Going by what everyone is saying, in order to win that race yesterday, all Max had to do was slow down at that same point in the track nearly every lap....and no-one would have passed him
Going by what Stevie is saying he dislikes Hamilton and even the official stewards statement doesn't change anything.
Professional people who know the rules are wrong - Stevie who has been go-karting twice and played it on the playstation knows best
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 19 minutes ago
Going by what everyone is saying, in order to win that race yesterday, all Max had to do was slow down at that same point in the track nearly every lap....and no-one would have passed him
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Nope.
If he did it a couple of times then people would realise what he was doing and take other actions.
It only happened like that because it was the one time.
That doesn't mean the same thing would happen every lap.
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On the first restart, Hamilton did run him wide but that is what has happened several times between these guys. Imola, Vertsappen ran Hamilton wide. The difference here was that Hamilton was much further head going into that corner and Verstappen typically brakes late and tries get his nose ahead even though his entry speed makes it almost impossible to make the corner.
Brazil set that precedent in stone - bomb up the inside, get your nose ahead force the other guy wide even if your entry speed is too fast to make the corner, and that's what Verstappen did again later in this race
On the second incident into T1, Hamilton is ahead on the racing line and Verstappen once again brakes so late that he is never going to make that corner, you can see his car entering that corner, sliding across, wheels in opposite lock.
For me its really poor driving and the rules need to change. It is only because Hamilton takes evasive action that he avoids crashes in both of the T1 incidents.
He's chucked it in like a go-kart because he has a lead in the title and a crash suits him.
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comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by *No Love (U1282)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 19 minutes ago
Going by what everyone is saying, in order to win that race yesterday, all Max had to do was slow down at that same point in the track nearly every lap....and no-one would have passed him
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Nope.
If he did it a couple of times then people would realise what he was doing and take other actions.
It only happened like that because it was the one time.
That doesn't mean the same thing would happen every lap.
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It's ballacks, mate. I've never seen a driver not go for an obvious overtake.
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I think in the context of that race where there had already been 2 red flags and several VSCs, incidents with poor/faulting flags, in that split second Hamilton was probably confused as to what was going on. Usually a returning of a place is done with a minor drop in speed, not shifting down several gears and braking on a very fast part of the track.
Generally, i think the ability to make a pit stop under the red flags and giving a place back strategically need looking at
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comment by Call Sign: gave an 83rd minute penalty (U3627)
posted 38 minutes ago
Going by what Stevie is saying he dislikes Hamilton and even the official stewards statement doesn't change anything.
Professional people who know the rules are wrong - Stevie who has been go-karting twice and played it on the playstation knows best
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comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by *No Love (U1282)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 19 minutes ago
Going by what everyone is saying, in order to win that race yesterday, all Max had to do was slow down at that same point in the track nearly every lap....and no-one would have passed him
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Nope.
If he did it a couple of times then people would realise what he was doing and take other actions.
It only happened like that because it was the one time.
That doesn't mean the same thing would happen every lap.
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It's ballacks, mate. I've never seen a driver not go for an obvious overtake.
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I think in the context of that race where there had already been 2 red flags and several VSCs, incidents with poor/faulting flags, in that split second Hamilton was probably confused as to what was going on. Usually a returning of a place is done with a minor drop in speed, not shifting down several gears and braking on a very fast part of the track.
Generally, i think the ability to make a pit stop under the red flags and giving a place back strategically need looking at
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From a stewardship point of view, yesterday's race was a day to forget. A complete mess. Negotiating penalties, timing of messages, lack of clearing the track and total confusion of what penalty needed to be given.
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Doesn't bode well for the last race does it, particularly where gamesmanship will be pushed to the limit, on both sides.
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posted on 6/12/21
comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign: gave an 83rd minute penalty (U3627)
posted 27 minutes ago
It does make sense.
The second car to cross the DRS line gets DRS advantage.
Verstappen knew he had to give the position back strategically picked that spot.
Hamilton who didn't know at that point the place was being returned didn't want to pass until after the line as he'd lose the racing advantage.
It's just race strategy but the issue of it all was Verstappen not moving to give sufficient room to pass then slammed his brakes on at the road widening. Even if Hamilton hadn't hit him he'd be manoeuvring and losing DRS.
Verstappen tried to get clever and simply messed it up.
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I've never heard of a driver refuse an overtaking opportunity before. 🤷♂️
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Going first into a DRS zone almost side by side isn't overtaking. It's why you see the overtake later in the straight normally
posted on 6/12/21
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posted on 6/12/21
comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 6 hours, 55 minutes ago
Stewards: Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the first to cross the DRS.
Hamilton: : “I didn’t get the information, so I didn’t really understand what was going on, it was very very confusing, all of a sudden he started backing up"
This is really odd. A racer does not choose to go P1 for fear of going back to P2 when he was in P2 anyway.
Bit smelly
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Desperate scenes
posted on 6/12/21
Once again, Max avoids being disqualified for dangerous driving. Wonder what it will take for him to finally be properly punished.
He is going to kill someone
posted on 6/12/21
Rewind 10 years+ and Lewis was the reckless kid who went for every gap and was constantly driving on the edge etc…..
Back then, he was lauded for it…Max is doing it now….and he’s going to kill someone
posted on 6/12/21
The Stewards said that Verstappen "braked in a manner which caused a collision".
"The stewards heard from the driver of Car 33, the driver of Car 44 and team representatives, reviewed the video and telemetry evidence and determined that the driver of Car 33 was predominantly at fault," read their statement.
"At turn 21 the driver of Car 33 was given the instruction to give back a position to Car 44 and was told by the team to do so "strategically". Car 33 slowed significantly at turn 26. However, it was obvious that neither driver wanted to take the lead prior to DRS detection line 3.
"The driver of car 33 stated that he was wondering why Car 44 had not overtaken and the driver of Car 44 stated that, not having been aware at that stages that Car 33 was giving the position back, was unaware of the reason Car 33 was slowing. In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly and significantly, resulting inn 2.4g deceleration.
"Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not want to be the first to cross the DRS.
"However, the sudden breaking by the driver of Car 33 was determined by the Stewards to be erratic and hence the predominant cause of the collision and hence the standard penalty of 10 seconds for this type of incident, is imposed."
posted on 6/12/21
Next week's going to be interesting, Max being a complete loony he is, knows if both of them DNF, he still wins the drivers championship as he has more wins. Hopefully nothing stupid like that happens but I just don't trust Red Bull and Max.
posted on 6/12/21
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 39 minutes ago
Rewind 10 years+ and Lewis was the reckless kid who went for every gap and was constantly driving on the edge etc…..
Back then, he was lauded for it…Max is doing it now….and he’s going to kill someone
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Yeah, the whole world is against Max.
posted on 6/12/21
comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 8 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign: gave an 83rd minute penalty (U3627)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign: gave an 83rd minute penalty (U3627)
posted 27 minutes ago
It does make sense.
The second car to cross the DRS line gets DRS advantage.
Verstappen knew he had to give the position back strategically picked that spot.
Hamilton who didn't know at that point the place was being returned didn't want to pass until after the line as he'd lose the racing advantage.
It's just race strategy but the issue of it all was Verstappen not moving to give sufficient room to pass then slammed his brakes on at the road widening. Even if Hamilton hadn't hit him he'd be manoeuvring and losing DRS.
Verstappen tried to get clever and simply messed it up.
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I've never heard of a driver refuse an overtaking opportunity before. 🤷♂️
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Going first into a DRS zone almost side by side isn't overtaking. It's why you see the overtake later in the straight normally
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They would only be side by side at the overtake. If Hamilton didn't slow down, Max wouldn't have caught him, even with DRS.
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Which proves Hamilton's version of events.
posted on 6/12/21
Going by what everyone is saying, in order to win that race yesterday, all Max had to do was slow down at that same point in the track nearly every lap....and no-one would have passed him
posted on 6/12/21
Going by what Stevie is saying he dislikes Hamilton and even the official stewards statement doesn't change anything.
Professional people who know the rules are wrong - Stevie who has been go-karting twice and played it on the playstation knows best
posted on 6/12/21
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 19 minutes ago
Going by what everyone is saying, in order to win that race yesterday, all Max had to do was slow down at that same point in the track nearly every lap....and no-one would have passed him
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Nope.
If he did it a couple of times then people would realise what he was doing and take other actions.
It only happened like that because it was the one time.
That doesn't mean the same thing would happen every lap.
posted on 6/12/21
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posted on 6/12/21
On the first restart, Hamilton did run him wide but that is what has happened several times between these guys. Imola, Vertsappen ran Hamilton wide. The difference here was that Hamilton was much further head going into that corner and Verstappen typically brakes late and tries get his nose ahead even though his entry speed makes it almost impossible to make the corner.
Brazil set that precedent in stone - bomb up the inside, get your nose ahead force the other guy wide even if your entry speed is too fast to make the corner, and that's what Verstappen did again later in this race
On the second incident into T1, Hamilton is ahead on the racing line and Verstappen once again brakes so late that he is never going to make that corner, you can see his car entering that corner, sliding across, wheels in opposite lock.
For me its really poor driving and the rules need to change. It is only because Hamilton takes evasive action that he avoids crashes in both of the T1 incidents.
He's chucked it in like a go-kart because he has a lead in the title and a crash suits him.
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posted on 6/12/21
comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by *No Love (U1282)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 19 minutes ago
Going by what everyone is saying, in order to win that race yesterday, all Max had to do was slow down at that same point in the track nearly every lap....and no-one would have passed him
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Nope.
If he did it a couple of times then people would realise what he was doing and take other actions.
It only happened like that because it was the one time.
That doesn't mean the same thing would happen every lap.
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It's ballacks, mate. I've never seen a driver not go for an obvious overtake.
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I think in the context of that race where there had already been 2 red flags and several VSCs, incidents with poor/faulting flags, in that split second Hamilton was probably confused as to what was going on. Usually a returning of a place is done with a minor drop in speed, not shifting down several gears and braking on a very fast part of the track.
Generally, i think the ability to make a pit stop under the red flags and giving a place back strategically need looking at
posted on 6/12/21
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posted on 6/12/21
comment by Call Sign: gave an 83rd minute penalty (U3627)
posted 38 minutes ago
Going by what Stevie is saying he dislikes Hamilton and even the official stewards statement doesn't change anything.
Professional people who know the rules are wrong - Stevie who has been go-karting twice and played it on the playstation knows best
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comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by I grow concrete (U10408)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by *No Love (U1282)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 19 minutes ago
Going by what everyone is saying, in order to win that race yesterday, all Max had to do was slow down at that same point in the track nearly every lap....and no-one would have passed him
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Nope.
If he did it a couple of times then people would realise what he was doing and take other actions.
It only happened like that because it was the one time.
That doesn't mean the same thing would happen every lap.
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It's ballacks, mate. I've never seen a driver not go for an obvious overtake.
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I think in the context of that race where there had already been 2 red flags and several VSCs, incidents with poor/faulting flags, in that split second Hamilton was probably confused as to what was going on. Usually a returning of a place is done with a minor drop in speed, not shifting down several gears and braking on a very fast part of the track.
Generally, i think the ability to make a pit stop under the red flags and giving a place back strategically need looking at
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From a stewardship point of view, yesterday's race was a day to forget. A complete mess. Negotiating penalties, timing of messages, lack of clearing the track and total confusion of what penalty needed to be given.
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Doesn't bode well for the last race does it, particularly where gamesmanship will be pushed to the limit, on both sides.
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