comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 29 minutes ago
True, Daz.
renoog, on a personal level it means not watching any of the games. I haven't really thought further than that, but I hardly buy any of the big consumer brands that are likely to be sponsoring it anyway. I mostly shop at the greengrocers' across the street and at a local Spanish supermarket chain that has decent own-brand products. I'm not a fashion freak, or a computer/gadget geek, but I'd probably keep an extra eye out to avoid any brands that are involved.
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This.Heineken are usually there and Coke.
Oh and I'll be paying for sports channels monthly next year so they know I've cancelled them for the duration of the WC. No big deal, but if a lot if people did likewise it would at least give them food for thought.
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Would it? The world cup is free to air in most of the world.
Good discussion without the usual nonsense.
What I do question, and I'm Muslim songet that out of the way, is the attention and focus that the Qatar world cup has had since it was offered. Is it because England didn't get it? Soir grapes if you will? Incidentally I would have preferred it in England as I could have gone to few games.
The reason I ask is that people were wonhapoy about the Brazil WC but ignored the reports of modern day slavery and deaths building stadia. Also at the time the highest violence against LGBT community was in Brazil, they were recirded as having the highest homicide/death rate against LGBT community again this can be fact checked but no mention of it.
No people have a view on religion and have at it, if that's your view them good luck to you. However there is things happening underneath the headlines that people don't talk about. So India and Pakistan her mentioned when it comes.to.legal punishhments for certain crimes, but under closer inspection these are not Islamic laws or sharia being implemented but British laws that still exist.
The Pakistan Penal code and Indian penal code, for example , was set up by lord Macaulay.Macaulyism is a real thing.
Can't remember the speakers name but he gave factual evidence that the views on homosexuality in the carribean/west indies were a direct result of missionaries (Christianity) from Europe and not something that was there before. Jamaica for example has the toughest laws against homosexuality outside of the countries which have death sentences.
This isn't to excuse.the countries mentioned but rather to shed light on the historical context which isnt linked to the religions/cultures of that country necessarily.
This might offend a few people but just being honest.
The thought men banging each others asses makes me vomit. It's not natural really is it so the guy has a point and it doesn't create babies so if everybody was gay we'd soon become extinct unless women allowed gay couples to birth their children.
What a fecked up world that would be.
That being said if I had a son and he turned out to be gay, I wouldn't disown him. Id be a bit disappointed but he'd still be part of the family.
I do have a few Muslim friends who said they would give the kid away!
To be honest hosting the world cup in a strict Muslim country wasn't the smartest idea anyway.
What I do question, and I'm Muslim songet that out of the way, is the attention and focus that the Qatar world cup has had since it was offered. Is it because England didn't get it? Soir grapes if you will? Incidentally I would have preferred it in England as I could have gone to few games.
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Possibly more down to the bribes that were offered and accepted to give the WC to a country with Zero football heritage.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 seconds ago
What I do question, and I'm Muslim songet that out of the way, is the attention and focus that the Qatar world cup has had since it was offered. Is it because England didn't get it? Soir grapes if you will? Incidentally I would have preferred it in England as I could have gone to few games.
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Possibly more down to the bribes that were offered and accepted to give the WC to a country with Zero football heritage.
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And maybe changing the time if year its played.
Then you gat addled old cants like arsend wenker saying it should be held every 2 years. I know players get paid a lot, but they do need down time.
Oh and jinja ninja, did 6,000 workers die at work on the Brazil WC?
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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It's blighted our species for millennia sadly
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Good example of the difference between awful people and religion. They're consigned to the history books, their message never became a mainstream religion as that niche was already filled. Unfortunately religion is so ingrained people are finding it much harder to move on from
Not read all the comments, but I just wish football would just stick to football and stay out of everything else. The actual game itself is on the way to being secondary in importance to everything it’s supposedly standing up for.
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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It's blighted our species for millennia sadly
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I still can't get me head around how they keep on slicing newborns up. You can never underestimate the power of a cult.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
Oh and jinja ninja, did 6,000 workers die at work on the Brazil WC?
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This is not a valid question SOQ. It's comparing apples with oranges.
I'll explain, from what I know and I'm sure folk will correct me if wrong.
The 6k figure (6.5k iirc) is not wc related. As in not to do with stadia. But the number of deaths "alleged" in Qatar since the WC was awarded.
Now even 1 death is a death too many, however the building of stadia has seen iirc, 37 deaths with 34 being "non work" related, whatever that means
Brazil has 9 deaths directly related to redurb etc if 12 stadia.
The death of migrant workers in Qatar is a serious issue as are.rhe conditions etc. The BBC did a detailed analysis on it and recaged rh conclusion that death figures refer to certain countries whilst excluding others, so it's more if anything. However the results are or would be we even without the WC as Qatar has been in a massive building phase well before. They also said that a third of deatsh weren't even construction related but road accidents and things like heart attack etc were also included in figures.
Brazil on the other hand hasn't had the same scrutiny. However (and I forget which specific ethnic group it is) a group of migrants frna specific area are inodrnnday slavery in Brazil and have it arguably worse in tes.of conditions. Deaths don't even go registered as the are perowna non grata I'm essence.
Not even doing a comparison tbh. Just wondering why tje same scrutiny isn't applied in terms of people treatment
Just fyi
South Africa WC saw deaths building stadia, but in single figures.
Sochi saw 60 deaths directly related to WC stadia (never mentioned and almost double Qatar as in directly related)
Qatar has the figure of 6.5k since WC awarded
I'm 2014 Brazil had over 7.5k deaths from construction overall.
Fifa declined to comment on worker conditions in Brazil. Concerns highlighted by likes of amnesty
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
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That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
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That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
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The comments he added to the quote are.
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
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That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
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The comments he added to the quote are.
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You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 38 seconds ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
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That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
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The comments he added to the quote are.
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You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
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I grouped his comment in with his quote, nothing out of the ordinary there.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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That's that settled then. We can all go to bed now
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 58 seconds ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
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That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
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The comments he added to the quote are.
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You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
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I grouped his comment in with his quote, nothing out of the ordinary there.
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Not like you to move the goalposts when you’re wrong
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posted on 30/11/21
Religion
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 29 minutes ago
True, Daz.
renoog, on a personal level it means not watching any of the games. I haven't really thought further than that, but I hardly buy any of the big consumer brands that are likely to be sponsoring it anyway. I mostly shop at the greengrocers' across the street and at a local Spanish supermarket chain that has decent own-brand products. I'm not a fashion freak, or a computer/gadget geek, but I'd probably keep an extra eye out to avoid any brands that are involved.
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This.Heineken are usually there and Coke.
Oh and I'll be paying for sports channels monthly next year so they know I've cancelled them for the duration of the WC. No big deal, but if a lot if people did likewise it would at least give them food for thought.
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Would it? The world cup is free to air in most of the world.
posted on 30/11/21
Good discussion without the usual nonsense.
What I do question, and I'm Muslim songet that out of the way, is the attention and focus that the Qatar world cup has had since it was offered. Is it because England didn't get it? Soir grapes if you will? Incidentally I would have preferred it in England as I could have gone to few games.
The reason I ask is that people were wonhapoy about the Brazil WC but ignored the reports of modern day slavery and deaths building stadia. Also at the time the highest violence against LGBT community was in Brazil, they were recirded as having the highest homicide/death rate against LGBT community again this can be fact checked but no mention of it.
No people have a view on religion and have at it, if that's your view them good luck to you. However there is things happening underneath the headlines that people don't talk about. So India and Pakistan her mentioned when it comes.to.legal punishhments for certain crimes, but under closer inspection these are not Islamic laws or sharia being implemented but British laws that still exist.
The Pakistan Penal code and Indian penal code, for example , was set up by lord Macaulay.Macaulyism is a real thing.
Can't remember the speakers name but he gave factual evidence that the views on homosexuality in the carribean/west indies were a direct result of missionaries (Christianity) from Europe and not something that was there before. Jamaica for example has the toughest laws against homosexuality outside of the countries which have death sentences.
This isn't to excuse.the countries mentioned but rather to shed light on the historical context which isnt linked to the religions/cultures of that country necessarily.
posted on 30/11/21
This might offend a few people but just being honest.
The thought men banging each others asses makes me vomit. It's not natural really is it so the guy has a point and it doesn't create babies so if everybody was gay we'd soon become extinct unless women allowed gay couples to birth their children.
What a fecked up world that would be.
That being said if I had a son and he turned out to be gay, I wouldn't disown him. Id be a bit disappointed but he'd still be part of the family.
I do have a few Muslim friends who said they would give the kid away!
To be honest hosting the world cup in a strict Muslim country wasn't the smartest idea anyway.
posted on 30/11/21
What I do question, and I'm Muslim songet that out of the way, is the attention and focus that the Qatar world cup has had since it was offered. Is it because England didn't get it? Soir grapes if you will? Incidentally I would have preferred it in England as I could have gone to few games.
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Possibly more down to the bribes that were offered and accepted to give the WC to a country with Zero football heritage.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 seconds ago
What I do question, and I'm Muslim songet that out of the way, is the attention and focus that the Qatar world cup has had since it was offered. Is it because England didn't get it? Soir grapes if you will? Incidentally I would have preferred it in England as I could have gone to few games.
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Possibly more down to the bribes that were offered and accepted to give the WC to a country with Zero football heritage.
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And maybe changing the time if year its played.
Then you gat addled old cants like arsend wenker saying it should be held every 2 years. I know players get paid a lot, but they do need down time.
Oh and jinja ninja, did 6,000 workers die at work on the Brazil WC?
posted on 30/11/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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It's blighted our species for millennia sadly
posted on 30/11/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Good example of the difference between awful people and religion. They're consigned to the history books, their message never became a mainstream religion as that niche was already filled. Unfortunately religion is so ingrained people are finding it much harder to move on from
posted on 30/11/21
Not read all the comments, but I just wish football would just stick to football and stay out of everything else. The actual game itself is on the way to being secondary in importance to everything it’s supposedly standing up for.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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It's blighted our species for millennia sadly
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I still can't get me head around how they keep on slicing newborns up. You can never underestimate the power of a cult.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
posted on 30/11/21
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
Oh and jinja ninja, did 6,000 workers die at work on the Brazil WC?
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This is not a valid question SOQ. It's comparing apples with oranges.
I'll explain, from what I know and I'm sure folk will correct me if wrong.
The 6k figure (6.5k iirc) is not wc related. As in not to do with stadia. But the number of deaths "alleged" in Qatar since the WC was awarded.
Now even 1 death is a death too many, however the building of stadia has seen iirc, 37 deaths with 34 being "non work" related, whatever that means
Brazil has 9 deaths directly related to redurb etc if 12 stadia.
The death of migrant workers in Qatar is a serious issue as are.rhe conditions etc. The BBC did a detailed analysis on it and recaged rh conclusion that death figures refer to certain countries whilst excluding others, so it's more if anything. However the results are or would be we even without the WC as Qatar has been in a massive building phase well before. They also said that a third of deatsh weren't even construction related but road accidents and things like heart attack etc were also included in figures.
Brazil on the other hand hasn't had the same scrutiny. However (and I forget which specific ethnic group it is) a group of migrants frna specific area are inodrnnday slavery in Brazil and have it arguably worse in tes.of conditions. Deaths don't even go registered as the are perowna non grata I'm essence.
Not even doing a comparison tbh. Just wondering why tje same scrutiny isn't applied in terms of people treatment
posted on 30/11/21
Just fyi
South Africa WC saw deaths building stadia, but in single figures.
Sochi saw 60 deaths directly related to WC stadia (never mentioned and almost double Qatar as in directly related)
Qatar has the figure of 6.5k since WC awarded
I'm 2014 Brazil had over 7.5k deaths from construction overall.
Fifa declined to comment on worker conditions in Brazil. Concerns highlighted by likes of amnesty
posted on 30/11/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
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That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
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That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
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The comments he added to the quote are.
posted on 30/11/21
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Someone didn't understand the quote
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
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The comments he added to the quote are.
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You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 38 seconds ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. People.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Someone didn't understand the quote
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The comments he added to the quote are.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I grouped his comment in with his quote, nothing out of the ordinary there.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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That's that settled then. We can all go to bed now
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. People.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Someone didn't understand the quote
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The comments he added to the quote are.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I grouped his comment in with his quote, nothing out of the ordinary there.
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Not like you to move the goalposts when you’re wrong
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