I'm not that religous but I do see the comfort it brings to the majority, which far outweighns the harm done by a handful of extremists.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 38 seconds ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
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I suppose the issue is when it becomes infallible, sacred and unchangeable in the mind of man
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
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That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
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The comments he added to the quote are.
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You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
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I grouped his comment in with his quote, nothing out of the ordinary there.
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Not like you to move the goalposts when you’re wrong
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He made a statement which included a quote. I commented on the whole rather than the parts.
Hardly moving the goalposts.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 38 seconds ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
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But that isn’t the general message, it’s an atheist view of religion. It’s not giving agency to man but to religion itself.
But it’s a daft quote because it doesn’t really make any sense, there’s numerous different ways in which good people can do evil without religion.
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posted 58 seconds ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
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That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
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The comments he added to the quote are.
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You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
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I grouped his comment in with his quote, nothing out of the ordinary there.
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Not like you to move the goalposts when you’re wrong
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He made a statement which included a quote. I commented on the whole rather than the parts.
Hardly moving the goalposts.
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You specifically asked who wrote it. Have a day off Boris
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 38 seconds ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
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But that isn’t the general message, it’s an atheist view of religion. It’s not giving agency to man but to religion itself.
But it’s a daft quote because it doesn’t really make any sense, there’s numerous different ways in which good people can do evil without religion.
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It could be said that religon is a driver for good.
Most of our laws are based on the 10 Commandments.
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 38 seconds ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
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I suppose the issue is when it becomes infallible, sacred and unchangeable in the mind of man
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That's any ideology just look at the ole.inners and Ole outers or Brexit v non brexit
Religion gets a lot of stick but it's often unfounded. It's an easy target based on nonsense on the main, it's cool to be anti religion
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
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posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
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posted 7 seconds ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
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That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
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The comments he added to the quote are.
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You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
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I grouped his comment in with his quote, nothing out of the ordinary there.
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Not like you to move the goalposts when you’re wrong
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He made a statement which included a quote. I commented on the whole rather than the parts.
Hardly moving the goalposts.
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You specifically asked who wrote it. Have a day off Boris
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I didn't ask who wrote it you mug.
Saying was it written by Hitler or Stalin was clearly a rhetorical question aimed at his own comment.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 38 seconds ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
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But that isn’t the general message, it’s an atheist view of religion. It’s not giving agency to man but to religion itself.
But it’s a daft quote because it doesn’t really make any sense, there’s numerous different ways in which good people can do evil without religion.
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That's what the quote says. With or without religion.
It makes perfect sense.
Yes, it is against "human" nature to be homosexual but it is right to kill migrant laborers by enslaving them and exposing them to inhuman working conditions. Facking slavers.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 22 seconds ago
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posted 58 seconds ago
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posted 52 seconds ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 58 seconds ago
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posted 7 seconds ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Someone didn't understand the quote
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The comments he added to the quote are.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I grouped his comment in with his quote, nothing out of the ordinary there.
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Not like you to move the goalposts when you’re wrong
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He made a statement which included a quote. I commented on the whole rather than the parts.
Hardly moving the goalposts.
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You specifically asked who wrote it. Have a day off Boris
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I didn't ask who wrote it you mug.
Saying was it written by Hitler or Stalin was clearly a rhetorical question aimed at his own comment.
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His he usually like this?
That's what the quote says. With or without religion.
It makes perfect sense.
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No it doesn’t. It’s saying a good person can only do evil because of religion, which is stupid.
Tbf I can't think of many evil things a good person can do, if any
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 38 seconds ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
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I suppose the issue is when it becomes infallible, sacred and unchangeable in the mind of man
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That's any ideology just look at the ole.inners and Ole outers or Brexit v non brexit
Religion gets a lot of stick but it's often unfounded. It's an easy target based on nonsense on the main, it's cool to be anti religion
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Sadly religion is still rife in the world, particularly among politicians as it's a great way to manipulate people.
The issue here is that religion is being co-opted to legitimise bigotry and persecution, not religion itself.
Depends on what you define as evil (which makes the quote problematic to begin with as it’s a religious concept), but someone can be coerced into something evil acts without religion being used. Mental illness is also a factor with certain people and actions, hence why they are treated differently in law.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 50 minutes ago
Good discussion without the usual nonsense.
What I do question...
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Apologies for not reprinting your comment in full; I edited it out to avoid lengthening the thread too much.
Without wishing to offend, and not to say that you don't have valid points, but I find it a bit of a disjointed mishmash.
First up, I would say that there were probably several reasons the spotlight fell so heavily on Qatar. On the one hand, it was awarded in the same round of meetings as Russia, and some (not all) of the big losers in those bids were England AND the U.S., with everything that means in terms of media power. Bribery and the calendar shift are other powerful reasons, and I certainly do not think Islamophobia should be discounted either. But none of that detracts from the other reasons, or from the human rights issues that I consider to be of major concern.
You mention violence against the LGBT community in Brazil, but that isn't constitutionally-sanctioned violence, is it? Additionally, Brazil is one of the most violent countries in the world full stop, so presumably you'll find it ranking very high in violence across all segments of society. As an aside, I definitely do remember a big fuss being made over anti-homosexuality laws and violence against homosexuals in Russia. Perhaps you weren't aware of that or don't remember it.
Then comes the riff about the penal laws imposed by Imperial Britain. Not sure what that has to do with the topic, but believe me, I am the first to condemn the policies of the European colonisers all over the world (Sven Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is an excellent if shocking and sombre read on the topic). That said, it's also true that in most of its colonies, especially those where they governed over large indigenous majorities, the European powers did not simply impose their own legal systems from scratch, but very often superposed some of their own laws over those already in place in the places they occupied. I do not know what the case was in Pakistan and India, but if those same laws were not in place across the entire Empire, then I would have my doubts as to the legal system in which they originated.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 16 seconds ago
Tbf I can't think of many evil things a good person can do, if any
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A Rabbi is seen to be a good person. A pillar of the community, but he's more than happy to have a knees up watching his baby Grandson get mutilated in front of him. He wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for religion. That in essence is the meaning behind the quote.
Doesn't evolution kind of agree with this guy's views?
I mean wasn't Darwin's view that it was breeding that lead to evolution of the species, sexual selection?
Doesn't biology argue that reproduction is the main purpose of humans? As in reproduction is our main reason for being, something we are programmed for at birth?
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Doesn't evolution kind of agree with this guy's views?
I mean wasn't Darwin's view that it was breeding that lead to evolution of the species, sexual selection?
Doesn't biology argue that reproduction is the main purpose of humans? As in reproduction is our main reason for being, something we are programmed for at birth?
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Are you seriously worried that homosexuality will spread to an endemic level threatening the survival of humanity?
Really?
What actually separates theism from mental illness though? One has more members sharing the delusion?
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 16 seconds ago
Tbf I can't think of many evil things a good person can do, if any
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A Rabbi is seen to be a good person. A pillar of the community, but he's more than happy to have a knees up watching his baby Grandson get mutilated in front of him. He wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for religion. That in essence is the meaning behind the quote.
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Evil? I don't think so. And a knees up? Carry on with the many examples though
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 16 seconds ago
Tbf I can't think of many evil things a good person can do, if any
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A Rabbi is seen to be a good person. A pillar of the community, but he's more than happy to have a knees up watching his baby Grandson get mutilated in front of him. He wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for religion. That in essence is the meaning behind the quote.
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Is that done for religion though or for cleanliness?
The US for example still snip their lads.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
Doesn't evolution kind of agree with this guy's views?
I mean wasn't Darwin's view that it was breeding that lead to evolution of the species, sexual selection?
Doesn't biology argue that reproduction is the main purpose of humans? As in reproduction is our main reason for being, something we are programmed for at birth?
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It's just part of nature, happens across many species and keeps happening
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 50 minutes ago
Good discussion without the usual nonsense.
What I do question...
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Apologies for not reprinting your comment in full; I edited it out to avoid lengthening the thread too much.
Without wishing to offend, and not to say that you don't have valid points, but I find it a bit of a disjointed mishmash.
First up, I would say that there were probably several reasons the spotlight fell so heavily on Qatar. On the one hand, it was awarded in the same round of meetings as Russia, and some (not all) of the big losers in those bids were England AND the U.S., with everything that means in terms of media power. Bribery and the calendar shift are other powerful reasons, and I certainly do not think Islamophobia should be discounted either. But none of that detracts from the other reasons, or from the human rights issues that I consider to be of major concern.
You mention violence against the LGBT community in Brazil, but that isn't constitutionally-sanctioned violence, is it? Additionally, Brazil is one of the most violent countries in the world full stop, so presumably you'll find it ranking very high in violence across all segments of society. As an aside, I definitely do remember a big fuss being made over anti-homosexuality laws and violence against homosexuals in Russia. Perhaps you weren't aware of that or don't remember it.
Then comes the riff about the penal laws imposed by Imperial Britain. Not sure what that has to do with the topic, but believe me, I am the first to condemn the policies of the European colonisers all over the world (Sven Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is an excellent if shocking and sombre read on the topic). That said, it's also true that in most of its colonies, especially those where they governed over large indigenous majorities, the European powers did not simply impose their own legal systems from scratch, but very often superposed some of their own laws over those already in place in the places they occupied. I do not know what the case was in Pakistan and India, but if those same laws were not in place across the entire Empire, then I would have my doubts as to the legal system in which they originated.
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Yeah I do tend to wander with my posts. Sorry.
I was aware of the homosexuality concerns around Russia but no where near as detailed as against Qatar. And also there was no mention of the deaths in Sochi building the stadia.
Brazil does have a high crime rate and that does influence certain data. However it's a country with rising tides of homophobia and risenin attacks against LGBT yet the docusnis moreso on the pride type festivals.
The Pakistan India penal codes are British based, the point was that many people have been punished under these but it's always arvued as being shariah when it clearly isn't.
Iirc half of the 71 ex colonies still use British laws against homosexuality and/or it illegal as a result of.
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posted on 30/11/21
I'm not that religous but I do see the comfort it brings to the majority, which far outweighns the harm done by a handful of extremists.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 38 seconds ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
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I suppose the issue is when it becomes infallible, sacred and unchangeable in the mind of man
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
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That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
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The comments he added to the quote are.
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You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
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I grouped his comment in with his quote, nothing out of the ordinary there.
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Not like you to move the goalposts when you’re wrong
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He made a statement which included a quote. I commented on the whole rather than the parts.
Hardly moving the goalposts.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 38 seconds ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But that isn’t the general message, it’s an atheist view of religion. It’s not giving agency to man but to religion itself.
But it’s a daft quote because it doesn’t really make any sense, there’s numerous different ways in which good people can do evil without religion.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Someone didn't understand the quote
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The comments he added to the quote are.
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You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I grouped his comment in with his quote, nothing out of the ordinary there.
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Not like you to move the goalposts when you’re wrong
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He made a statement which included a quote. I commented on the whole rather than the parts.
Hardly moving the goalposts.
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You specifically asked who wrote it. Have a day off Boris
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 38 seconds ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But that isn’t the general message, it’s an atheist view of religion. It’s not giving agency to man but to religion itself.
But it’s a daft quote because it doesn’t really make any sense, there’s numerous different ways in which good people can do evil without religion.
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It could be said that religon is a driver for good.
Most of our laws are based on the 10 Commandments.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 38 seconds ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I suppose the issue is when it becomes infallible, sacred and unchangeable in the mind of man
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That's any ideology just look at the ole.inners and Ole outers or Brexit v non brexit
Religion gets a lot of stick but it's often unfounded. It's an easy target based on nonsense on the main, it's cool to be anti religion
posted on 30/11/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Someone didn't understand the quote
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The comments he added to the quote are.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I grouped his comment in with his quote, nothing out of the ordinary there.
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Not like you to move the goalposts when you’re wrong
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He made a statement which included a quote. I commented on the whole rather than the parts.
Hardly moving the goalposts.
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You specifically asked who wrote it. Have a day off Boris
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I didn't ask who wrote it you mug.
Saying was it written by Hitler or Stalin was clearly a rhetorical question aimed at his own comment.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 38 seconds ago
It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
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But that isn’t the general message, it’s an atheist view of religion. It’s not giving agency to man but to religion itself.
But it’s a daft quote because it doesn’t really make any sense, there’s numerous different ways in which good people can do evil without religion.
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That's what the quote says. With or without religion.
It makes perfect sense.
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Yes, it is against "human" nature to be homosexual but it is right to kill migrant laborers by enslaving them and exposing them to inhuman working conditions. Facking slavers.
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Religion
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No. People.
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'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion'
That quote always sums it up for me. Religion hasn't got a place in the 21st century. It certainly hasn't in this country.
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Who wrote that, Hitler or Stalin?
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Someone didn't understand the quote
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I did but the supression or denial of religon is usually the benchmark of a dictator.
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That quote is neither suppression or denial though….
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The comments he added to the quote are.
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You were talking about the quote, what’s the posters own opinion got to do with it?
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I grouped his comment in with his quote, nothing out of the ordinary there.
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Not like you to move the goalposts when you’re wrong
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He made a statement which included a quote. I commented on the whole rather than the parts.
Hardly moving the goalposts.
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You specifically asked who wrote it. Have a day off Boris
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I didn't ask who wrote it you mug.
Saying was it written by Hitler or Stalin was clearly a rhetorical question aimed at his own comment.
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His he usually like this?
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That's what the quote says. With or without religion.
It makes perfect sense.
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No it doesn’t. It’s saying a good person can only do evil because of religion, which is stupid.
posted on 30/11/21
Tbf I can't think of many evil things a good person can do, if any
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It’s a daft quote, to be fair.
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It’s poorly put point, but the general message behind it is a valid one. Religion is the source behind many of the planets ills. But then so is politics and money amongst other things. The one common denominator is man.
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I suppose the issue is when it becomes infallible, sacred and unchangeable in the mind of man
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That's any ideology just look at the ole.inners and Ole outers or Brexit v non brexit
Religion gets a lot of stick but it's often unfounded. It's an easy target based on nonsense on the main, it's cool to be anti religion
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Sadly religion is still rife in the world, particularly among politicians as it's a great way to manipulate people.
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The issue here is that religion is being co-opted to legitimise bigotry and persecution, not religion itself.
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Depends on what you define as evil (which makes the quote problematic to begin with as it’s a religious concept), but someone can be coerced into something evil acts without religion being used. Mental illness is also a factor with certain people and actions, hence why they are treated differently in law.
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comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 50 minutes ago
Good discussion without the usual nonsense.
What I do question...
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Apologies for not reprinting your comment in full; I edited it out to avoid lengthening the thread too much.
Without wishing to offend, and not to say that you don't have valid points, but I find it a bit of a disjointed mishmash.
First up, I would say that there were probably several reasons the spotlight fell so heavily on Qatar. On the one hand, it was awarded in the same round of meetings as Russia, and some (not all) of the big losers in those bids were England AND the U.S., with everything that means in terms of media power. Bribery and the calendar shift are other powerful reasons, and I certainly do not think Islamophobia should be discounted either. But none of that detracts from the other reasons, or from the human rights issues that I consider to be of major concern.
You mention violence against the LGBT community in Brazil, but that isn't constitutionally-sanctioned violence, is it? Additionally, Brazil is one of the most violent countries in the world full stop, so presumably you'll find it ranking very high in violence across all segments of society. As an aside, I definitely do remember a big fuss being made over anti-homosexuality laws and violence against homosexuals in Russia. Perhaps you weren't aware of that or don't remember it.
Then comes the riff about the penal laws imposed by Imperial Britain. Not sure what that has to do with the topic, but believe me, I am the first to condemn the policies of the European colonisers all over the world (Sven Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is an excellent if shocking and sombre read on the topic). That said, it's also true that in most of its colonies, especially those where they governed over large indigenous majorities, the European powers did not simply impose their own legal systems from scratch, but very often superposed some of their own laws over those already in place in the places they occupied. I do not know what the case was in Pakistan and India, but if those same laws were not in place across the entire Empire, then I would have my doubts as to the legal system in which they originated.
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Tbf I can't think of many evil things a good person can do, if any
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A Rabbi is seen to be a good person. A pillar of the community, but he's more than happy to have a knees up watching his baby Grandson get mutilated in front of him. He wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for religion. That in essence is the meaning behind the quote.
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Doesn't evolution kind of agree with this guy's views?
I mean wasn't Darwin's view that it was breeding that lead to evolution of the species, sexual selection?
Doesn't biology argue that reproduction is the main purpose of humans? As in reproduction is our main reason for being, something we are programmed for at birth?
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comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
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Doesn't evolution kind of agree with this guy's views?
I mean wasn't Darwin's view that it was breeding that lead to evolution of the species, sexual selection?
Doesn't biology argue that reproduction is the main purpose of humans? As in reproduction is our main reason for being, something we are programmed for at birth?
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Are you seriously worried that homosexuality will spread to an endemic level threatening the survival of humanity?
Really?
posted on 30/11/21
What actually separates theism from mental illness though? One has more members sharing the delusion?
posted on 30/11/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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Tbf I can't think of many evil things a good person can do, if any
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A Rabbi is seen to be a good person. A pillar of the community, but he's more than happy to have a knees up watching his baby Grandson get mutilated in front of him. He wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for religion. That in essence is the meaning behind the quote.
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Evil? I don't think so. And a knees up? Carry on with the many examples though
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comment by South Side (U20009)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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Tbf I can't think of many evil things a good person can do, if any
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A Rabbi is seen to be a good person. A pillar of the community, but he's more than happy to have a knees up watching his baby Grandson get mutilated in front of him. He wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for religion. That in essence is the meaning behind the quote.
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Is that done for religion though or for cleanliness?
The US for example still snip their lads.
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comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
Doesn't evolution kind of agree with this guy's views?
I mean wasn't Darwin's view that it was breeding that lead to evolution of the species, sexual selection?
Doesn't biology argue that reproduction is the main purpose of humans? As in reproduction is our main reason for being, something we are programmed for at birth?
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It's just part of nature, happens across many species and keeps happening
posted on 30/11/21
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 50 minutes ago
Good discussion without the usual nonsense.
What I do question...
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Apologies for not reprinting your comment in full; I edited it out to avoid lengthening the thread too much.
Without wishing to offend, and not to say that you don't have valid points, but I find it a bit of a disjointed mishmash.
First up, I would say that there were probably several reasons the spotlight fell so heavily on Qatar. On the one hand, it was awarded in the same round of meetings as Russia, and some (not all) of the big losers in those bids were England AND the U.S., with everything that means in terms of media power. Bribery and the calendar shift are other powerful reasons, and I certainly do not think Islamophobia should be discounted either. But none of that detracts from the other reasons, or from the human rights issues that I consider to be of major concern.
You mention violence against the LGBT community in Brazil, but that isn't constitutionally-sanctioned violence, is it? Additionally, Brazil is one of the most violent countries in the world full stop, so presumably you'll find it ranking very high in violence across all segments of society. As an aside, I definitely do remember a big fuss being made over anti-homosexuality laws and violence against homosexuals in Russia. Perhaps you weren't aware of that or don't remember it.
Then comes the riff about the penal laws imposed by Imperial Britain. Not sure what that has to do with the topic, but believe me, I am the first to condemn the policies of the European colonisers all over the world (Sven Lindqvist's "Exterminate All the Brutes" is an excellent if shocking and sombre read on the topic). That said, it's also true that in most of its colonies, especially those where they governed over large indigenous majorities, the European powers did not simply impose their own legal systems from scratch, but very often superposed some of their own laws over those already in place in the places they occupied. I do not know what the case was in Pakistan and India, but if those same laws were not in place across the entire Empire, then I would have my doubts as to the legal system in which they originated.
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Yeah I do tend to wander with my posts. Sorry.
I was aware of the homosexuality concerns around Russia but no where near as detailed as against Qatar. And also there was no mention of the deaths in Sochi building the stadia.
Brazil does have a high crime rate and that does influence certain data. However it's a country with rising tides of homophobia and risenin attacks against LGBT yet the docusnis moreso on the pride type festivals.
The Pakistan India penal codes are British based, the point was that many people have been punished under these but it's always arvued as being shariah when it clearly isn't.
Iirc half of the 71 ex colonies still use British laws against homosexuality and/or it illegal as a result of.
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