comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 29 minutes ago
the flu vaccine is between 40-60% likely to stop severe illness
the covid vaccine is over 90%
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That's the Relative Risk Reduction (RRR) figure which is deliberately misleading. The Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) figure, which is what matters, is 0.84%. These are Pfizers own published figures.
How many would've taken the jab and in many cases suffered the horrific side-effects we are witnessing (heart/cancer issues) had they realised that it was less than 1% effective?
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 7 minutes ago
I see Lyon have changed their mind about letting Gers fans into the game on Thursday. Genuinely feel sorry for the fans that have forked our money, but they can take solace in the statement that’s been released.
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https://twitter.com/scottmcaulay1/status/1467878536837054465?s=20
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We regret to inform our travelling support that, within the last hour, we have been notified by the French Minister of the Interior, that away fans including corporate guests will not be admitted on Thursday night to the Groupama Stadium in Lyon, France.
We understand that there is a “festival of light” planned in the city which will test the policing resource and city infrastructure. As you are aware, we previously underlined to our support that the local authorities in France were being intransigent and initially unwilling to engage.
However, only late last week they agreed that we could have 2200 supporters admitted. The decision to reverse this is bemusing, and extremely frustrating, given the short notice. It beggars belief that 3 days after that decision was taken and 3 days before the match is due to be played, it is our supporters who are now going to be left out of pocket by this decision by the French interior minister.
We empathise with the feeling of supporters, who have made travel plans months in advance. Furthermore, we were allocated tickets several weeks ago, which adds further confusion to the most recent decision to not admit our fans.
Rest assured, we have made representations to UEFA, OL and the French authorities. However, regrettably, this situation is now out with our control.
Nevertheless, we are duty bound to ask all supporters including corporate guests to not travel to France.
We appreciate the frustration of our support, and will work to ensure a refund for tickets is processed forthwith.
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Serves you cvnts right - the frogs found out y'all vote for Boris
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 29 minutes ago
the flu vaccine is between 40-60% likely to stop severe illness
the covid vaccine is over 90%
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the Relative Risk Reduction (RRR) figure which is deliberately misleading. The Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) figure, which is what matters, is 0.84%. These are Pfizers own published figures.
How many would've taken the jab and in many cases suffered the horrific side-effects we are witnessing (heart/cancer issues) had they realised that it was less than 1% effective?
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ARR of what?
Piracy!
Also
https://twitter.com/paddywright67/status/1467886967211896841?s=21
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 31 seconds ago
Piracy!
Also
https://twitter.com/paddywright67/status/1467886967211896841?s=21
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Aye my brother is out a few quid
Still going mind you
Lyon is a great city well worth seeing
I’m sad now it had a human face.
Hope he had a good trip.
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 38 seconds ago
I’m sad now it had a human face.
Hope he had a good trip.
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Oh he will he is just going to love these fancy lights
That or gas cookers
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 29 minutes ago
the flu vaccine is between 40-60% likely to stop severe illness
the covid vaccine is over 90%
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the Relative Risk Reduction (RRR) figure which is deliberately misleading. The Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) figure, which is what matters, is 0.84%. These are Pfizers own published figures.
How many would've taken the jab and in many cases suffered the horrific side-effects we are witnessing (heart/cancer issues) had they realised that it was less than 1% effective?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's astounding if true.
Can anyone trawl the Internets to fact check this?
Please have your results compiled within the hour please.
I disagree with this. It's been very clear
Vacine = return of your freedom.
Positive test = return to isolation.
Changing this now makes no sense and weakens the message to get vaccinated. It's the first defense and it's been clear, about not mixing, unless rules are followed.
People without the vacine can carry it without symptoms so can spread it if careless. Giving someone the right to mix unvaccinated is risky imo.
If anyone unvaccinated catches covid, there could be a consequence to encourage them to be extra safe and ultimately get vaccinated.
As an example, unvaccinated & tested + might be denied sick pay in isolation. Nobody was refused the jab so there shouldn't be any right to complain.
I'm not calling for this, just interested if anyone has lost interest in preventing the spread. If you catch it you might lose half a month's pay/benefits.
This is only one example. If this is a new normal, why change the initial ground rules?
Alternatively, have a one strike rule. Unvaccinated and test positive, your right to use a covid passport is revoked. No social life etc.
comment by Zico 🏴 (U21900)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 29 minutes ago
the flu vaccine is between 40-60% likely to stop severe illness
the covid vaccine is over 90%
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the Relative Risk Reduction (RRR) figure which is deliberately misleading. The Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) figure, which is what matters, is 0.84%. These are Pfizers own published figures.
How many would've taken the jab and in many cases suffered the horrific side-effects we are witnessing (heart/cancer issues) had they realised that it was less than 1% effective?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's astounding if true.
Can anyone trawl the Internets to fact check this?
Please have your results compiled within the hour please.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh indeed, I was aware, but the red lights are flashing when he chooses the Pfizer numbers (which hardly anyone here had) instead of the 70% better AZ one for starters.
I digress, what he is trying to say hidden behind implied claims is vaccination mainly benefits the older population. The fact remains that the 70-95% RRR number is the percentage of vaccinated "who could benefit from the vaccine" - verbatim from the Lancet report.
And the part that destroys this idiots credibility, "These considerations on efficacy and effectiveness are based on studies measuring prevention of mild to moderate COVID-19 infection; they were not designed to conclude on prevention of hospitalisation, severe disease, or death, or on prevention of infection and transmission potential."
So, I'm not too sure what point he was trying to make other than spread fake news.
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 16 hours, 3 minutes ago
I disagree with this. It's been very clear
Vacine = return of your freedom.
Positive test = return to isolation.
Changing this now makes no sense and weakens the message to get vaccinated. It's the first defense and it's been clear, about not mixing, unless rules are followed.
People without the vacine can carry it without symptoms so can spread it if careless. Giving someone the right to mix unvaccinated is risky imo.
If anyone unvaccinated catches covid, there could be a consequence to encourage them to be extra safe and ultimately get vaccinated.
As an example, unvaccinated & tested + might be denied sick pay in isolation. Nobody was refused the jab so there shouldn't be any right to complain.
I'm not calling for this, just interested if anyone has lost interest in preventing the spread. If you catch it you might lose half a month's pay/benefits.
This is only one example. If this is a new normal, why change the initial ground rules?
Alternatively, have a one strike rule. Unvaccinated and test positive, your right to use a covid passport is revoked. No social life etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Away ye go ffs.
Right little dictator aren’t you?
Sturgeon announces no changes at present. WFH where you can and under daily review. Take a test before going anywhere if possible, and potential for extension to passport vaccine if needed.
Sign in if you want to comment
Sense at last?
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posted on 6/12/21
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 29 minutes ago
the flu vaccine is between 40-60% likely to stop severe illness
the covid vaccine is over 90%
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the Relative Risk Reduction (RRR) figure which is deliberately misleading. The Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) figure, which is what matters, is 0.84%. These are Pfizers own published figures.
How many would've taken the jab and in many cases suffered the horrific side-effects we are witnessing (heart/cancer issues) had they realised that it was less than 1% effective?
posted on 6/12/21
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 7 minutes ago
I see Lyon have changed their mind about letting Gers fans into the game on Thursday. Genuinely feel sorry for the fans that have forked our money, but they can take solace in the statement that’s been released.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://twitter.com/scottmcaulay1/status/1467878536837054465?s=20
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 6/12/21
We regret to inform our travelling support that, within the last hour, we have been notified by the French Minister of the Interior, that away fans including corporate guests will not be admitted on Thursday night to the Groupama Stadium in Lyon, France.
We understand that there is a “festival of light” planned in the city which will test the policing resource and city infrastructure. As you are aware, we previously underlined to our support that the local authorities in France were being intransigent and initially unwilling to engage.
However, only late last week they agreed that we could have 2200 supporters admitted. The decision to reverse this is bemusing, and extremely frustrating, given the short notice. It beggars belief that 3 days after that decision was taken and 3 days before the match is due to be played, it is our supporters who are now going to be left out of pocket by this decision by the French interior minister.
We empathise with the feeling of supporters, who have made travel plans months in advance. Furthermore, we were allocated tickets several weeks ago, which adds further confusion to the most recent decision to not admit our fans.
Rest assured, we have made representations to UEFA, OL and the French authorities. However, regrettably, this situation is now out with our control.
Nevertheless, we are duty bound to ask all supporters including corporate guests to not travel to France.
We appreciate the frustration of our support, and will work to ensure a refund for tickets is processed forthwith.
------------------------------------------------------------
Serves you cvnts right - the frogs found out y'all vote for Boris
posted on 6/12/21
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 29 minutes ago
the flu vaccine is between 40-60% likely to stop severe illness
the covid vaccine is over 90%
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the Relative Risk Reduction (RRR) figure which is deliberately misleading. The Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) figure, which is what matters, is 0.84%. These are Pfizers own published figures.
How many would've taken the jab and in many cases suffered the horrific side-effects we are witnessing (heart/cancer issues) had they realised that it was less than 1% effective?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ARR of what?
posted on 6/12/21
Piracy!
Also
https://twitter.com/paddywright67/status/1467886967211896841?s=21
posted on 6/12/21
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 31 seconds ago
Piracy!
Also
https://twitter.com/paddywright67/status/1467886967211896841?s=21
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Aye my brother is out a few quid
Still going mind you
Lyon is a great city well worth seeing
posted on 6/12/21
I’m sad now it had a human face.
Hope he had a good trip.
posted on 6/12/21
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 38 seconds ago
I’m sad now it had a human face.
Hope he had a good trip.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh he will he is just going to love these fancy lights
That or gas cookers
posted on 6/12/21
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 29 minutes ago
the flu vaccine is between 40-60% likely to stop severe illness
the covid vaccine is over 90%
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the Relative Risk Reduction (RRR) figure which is deliberately misleading. The Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) figure, which is what matters, is 0.84%. These are Pfizers own published figures.
How many would've taken the jab and in many cases suffered the horrific side-effects we are witnessing (heart/cancer issues) had they realised that it was less than 1% effective?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's astounding if true.
Can anyone trawl the Internets to fact check this?
Please have your results compiled within the hour please.
posted on 6/12/21
I disagree with this. It's been very clear
Vacine = return of your freedom.
Positive test = return to isolation.
Changing this now makes no sense and weakens the message to get vaccinated. It's the first defense and it's been clear, about not mixing, unless rules are followed.
People without the vacine can carry it without symptoms so can spread it if careless. Giving someone the right to mix unvaccinated is risky imo.
If anyone unvaccinated catches covid, there could be a consequence to encourage them to be extra safe and ultimately get vaccinated.
As an example, unvaccinated & tested + might be denied sick pay in isolation. Nobody was refused the jab so there shouldn't be any right to complain.
I'm not calling for this, just interested if anyone has lost interest in preventing the spread. If you catch it you might lose half a month's pay/benefits.
This is only one example. If this is a new normal, why change the initial ground rules?
Alternatively, have a one strike rule. Unvaccinated and test positive, your right to use a covid passport is revoked. No social life etc.
posted on 6/12/21
comment by Zico 🏴 (U21900)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 29 minutes ago
the flu vaccine is between 40-60% likely to stop severe illness
the covid vaccine is over 90%
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the Relative Risk Reduction (RRR) figure which is deliberately misleading. The Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) figure, which is what matters, is 0.84%. These are Pfizers own published figures.
How many would've taken the jab and in many cases suffered the horrific side-effects we are witnessing (heart/cancer issues) had they realised that it was less than 1% effective?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's astounding if true.
Can anyone trawl the Internets to fact check this?
Please have your results compiled within the hour please.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh indeed, I was aware, but the red lights are flashing when he chooses the Pfizer numbers (which hardly anyone here had) instead of the 70% better AZ one for starters.
I digress, what he is trying to say hidden behind implied claims is vaccination mainly benefits the older population. The fact remains that the 70-95% RRR number is the percentage of vaccinated "who could benefit from the vaccine" - verbatim from the Lancet report.
And the part that destroys this idiots credibility, "These considerations on efficacy and effectiveness are based on studies measuring prevention of mild to moderate COVID-19 infection; they were not designed to conclude on prevention of hospitalisation, severe disease, or death, or on prevention of infection and transmission potential."
So, I'm not too sure what point he was trying to make other than spread fake news.
posted on 7/12/21
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 16 hours, 3 minutes ago
I disagree with this. It's been very clear
Vacine = return of your freedom.
Positive test = return to isolation.
Changing this now makes no sense and weakens the message to get vaccinated. It's the first defense and it's been clear, about not mixing, unless rules are followed.
People without the vacine can carry it without symptoms so can spread it if careless. Giving someone the right to mix unvaccinated is risky imo.
If anyone unvaccinated catches covid, there could be a consequence to encourage them to be extra safe and ultimately get vaccinated.
As an example, unvaccinated & tested + might be denied sick pay in isolation. Nobody was refused the jab so there shouldn't be any right to complain.
I'm not calling for this, just interested if anyone has lost interest in preventing the spread. If you catch it you might lose half a month's pay/benefits.
This is only one example. If this is a new normal, why change the initial ground rules?
Alternatively, have a one strike rule. Unvaccinated and test positive, your right to use a covid passport is revoked. No social life etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Away ye go ffs.
Right little dictator aren’t you?
posted on 7/12/21
Sturgeon announces no changes at present. WFH where you can and under daily review. Take a test before going anywhere if possible, and potential for extension to passport vaccine if needed.
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