comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Thing with keepers is that it’s not just the tactical fit, they need to have the right mentality to play for a massive club. Despite his flaws, De Gea’s proven he can. Henderson I’m not so sure about. I’d be fine with him getting games to see if he can be a better fit than De Gea, but we should be looking to get a better, and more suitable, keeper than both. Who that may be I couldn’t say, however.
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Has to be Oblak, he’s almost perfect.
What better way for Henderson to prove his mentality than going to Ajax, then knocking us out (let's say he saves a couple in the penalty shoot-out, then steps up and does a panenka for the decisive kick) on the way to winning the CL with them?
Playing regularly for Manchester United. It’s why he was better for Sheffield United than he was for us, people weren’t paying attention as much (even then I think he’s got some technical weaknesses that were noticeable from when I saw him there).
Not sure Oblak is, he’s got similar issues to De Gea with coming off his line.
I’m really not sure who the right keeper is, as I said I don’t just think it’s a tactical fit that is needed to be United number one. But what I do know is that Henderson and De Gea aren’t the right guys either.
Hang on Dazza. First it was 'not too sure about Henderson', now it's 'I know Henderson isn't the right guy'.
What did he do to you in the thirteen minutes between those statements?
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Hang on Dazza. First it was 'not too sure about Henderson', now it's 'I know Henderson isn't the right guy'.
What did he do to you in the thirteen minutes between those statements?
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Knocked us out of the CL the cheeky scamp!
Ten Hag taking a look to see if he wants to make him his number 1 next year.
I’m saying I’m not sure he’s got the right mentality. I don’t think he’s good enough to be United number one based on his attributes, though.
Just because he’s better than De Gea at things that would better suit us doesn’t mean it’s good enough compared to the best keepers in the world - and that’s what we should aspire to have.
It'll be useful for Ten Hag to get a proper look at him so he can make an informed decision about whether he's good enough for us
Yeah, I wouldn't say I'm convinced he's good enough. The burden of proof is with him to come out and demonstrate he has the required ability and mentality (and we know from experience that it's hard to predict which talented young goalies turn into world class ones). I'd just prefer him to be first choice over De Gea.
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 13 minutes ago
It'll be useful for Ten Hag to get a proper look at him so he can make an informed decision about whether he's good enough for us
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That's a good point well made
My guess is that Ole had personality clashes with a few players, and would not choose the best players, but the players that did exactly what he asked in the manner he liked. I cannot see what Dean did to be benched. I am glad that Ole is gone now, because for all the great things he did for us - I believe that he was too stubborn and didn't manage his players well. Over-reliance on the same 8-9 players and letting good players literally rot on the bench. We should keep Henderson and play him. If we aren't going to play him - let him leave before his career is completely ruined. We did the same thing with Sergio and it was shameful. Heaton is a very good backup.
RR, yeah I can appreciate that. I’m indifferent really, and more concerned about the outfield because that’s where our biggest issues are.
Finally found the tweet with the goal keeper pie chart comparisons mentioned above. The four charts compare DDG with Ederson, Alisson, Mendy and Henderson, respectively.
https://twitter.com/AbdelBeheri/status/1466093140142694414
BTW the links posted by Christopher above were interesting too.
It’s clever move by the club to allow the new manager to run his rule-of-thumb over the lad before next summer.
I don’t think anybody has raised this point, yet.
He’s a very good keeper. I always felt the defence looked more comfortable with Henderson. More trust that he will be quick off his line and more aggressive collecting crosses, perhaps.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 hours, 13 minutes ago
Finally found the tweet with the goal keeper pie chart comparisons mentioned above. The four charts compare DDG with Ederson, Alisson, Mendy and Henderson, respectively.
https://twitter.com/AbdelBeheri/status/1466093140142694414
BTW the links posted by Christopher above were interesting too.
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Interesting info. The kind of stuff that you don't usually see. It really does highlight De Gea's shortcomings.
Elvis, I think it highlights his different attributes more than his quality per se relative to the others, e.g. I don't think we can confidently say Henderson is world class or that he's a more talented goalkeeper than De Gea, but his chart looks a lot more like the Ederson, Alisson and Mendy charts. What I think we can say is there's a good reason these teams that have been outperforming us and generally more forward looking in terms of the tactics they want to deploy have opted for keepers who possess those characteristics.
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posted on 7/12/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Thing with keepers is that it’s not just the tactical fit, they need to have the right mentality to play for a massive club. Despite his flaws, De Gea’s proven he can. Henderson I’m not so sure about. I’d be fine with him getting games to see if he can be a better fit than De Gea, but we should be looking to get a better, and more suitable, keeper than both. Who that may be I couldn’t say, however.
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Has to be Oblak, he’s almost perfect.
posted on 7/12/21
What better way for Henderson to prove his mentality than going to Ajax, then knocking us out (let's say he saves a couple in the penalty shoot-out, then steps up and does a panenka for the decisive kick) on the way to winning the CL with them?
posted on 7/12/21
Playing regularly for Manchester United. It’s why he was better for Sheffield United than he was for us, people weren’t paying attention as much (even then I think he’s got some technical weaknesses that were noticeable from when I saw him there).
Not sure Oblak is, he’s got similar issues to De Gea with coming off his line.
I’m really not sure who the right keeper is, as I said I don’t just think it’s a tactical fit that is needed to be United number one. But what I do know is that Henderson and De Gea aren’t the right guys either.
posted on 7/12/21
Hang on Dazza. First it was 'not too sure about Henderson', now it's 'I know Henderson isn't the right guy'.
What did he do to you in the thirteen minutes between those statements?
posted on 7/12/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Hang on Dazza. First it was 'not too sure about Henderson', now it's 'I know Henderson isn't the right guy'.
What did he do to you in the thirteen minutes between those statements?
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Knocked us out of the CL the cheeky scamp!
posted on 7/12/21
Ten Hag taking a look to see if he wants to make him his number 1 next year.
posted on 7/12/21
I’m saying I’m not sure he’s got the right mentality. I don’t think he’s good enough to be United number one based on his attributes, though.
Just because he’s better than De Gea at things that would better suit us doesn’t mean it’s good enough compared to the best keepers in the world - and that’s what we should aspire to have.
posted on 7/12/21
It'll be useful for Ten Hag to get a proper look at him so he can make an informed decision about whether he's good enough for us
posted on 7/12/21
Yeah, I wouldn't say I'm convinced he's good enough. The burden of proof is with him to come out and demonstrate he has the required ability and mentality (and we know from experience that it's hard to predict which talented young goalies turn into world class ones). I'd just prefer him to be first choice over De Gea.
posted on 7/12/21
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 13 minutes ago
It'll be useful for Ten Hag to get a proper look at him so he can make an informed decision about whether he's good enough for us
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That's a good point well made
posted on 7/12/21
My guess is that Ole had personality clashes with a few players, and would not choose the best players, but the players that did exactly what he asked in the manner he liked. I cannot see what Dean did to be benched. I am glad that Ole is gone now, because for all the great things he did for us - I believe that he was too stubborn and didn't manage his players well. Over-reliance on the same 8-9 players and letting good players literally rot on the bench. We should keep Henderson and play him. If we aren't going to play him - let him leave before his career is completely ruined. We did the same thing with Sergio and it was shameful. Heaton is a very good backup.
posted on 7/12/21
RR, yeah I can appreciate that. I’m indifferent really, and more concerned about the outfield because that’s where our biggest issues are.
posted on 7/12/21
Finally found the tweet with the goal keeper pie chart comparisons mentioned above. The four charts compare DDG with Ederson, Alisson, Mendy and Henderson, respectively.
https://twitter.com/AbdelBeheri/status/1466093140142694414
BTW the links posted by Christopher above were interesting too.
posted on 7/12/21
It’s clever move by the club to allow the new manager to run his rule-of-thumb over the lad before next summer.
I don’t think anybody has raised this point, yet.
posted on 7/12/21
He’s a very good keeper. I always felt the defence looked more comfortable with Henderson. More trust that he will be quick off his line and more aggressive collecting crosses, perhaps.
posted on 8/12/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 hours, 13 minutes ago
Finally found the tweet with the goal keeper pie chart comparisons mentioned above. The four charts compare DDG with Ederson, Alisson, Mendy and Henderson, respectively.
https://twitter.com/AbdelBeheri/status/1466093140142694414
BTW the links posted by Christopher above were interesting too.
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Interesting info. The kind of stuff that you don't usually see. It really does highlight De Gea's shortcomings.
posted on 8/12/21
Elvis, I think it highlights his different attributes more than his quality per se relative to the others, e.g. I don't think we can confidently say Henderson is world class or that he's a more talented goalkeeper than De Gea, but his chart looks a lot more like the Ederson, Alisson and Mendy charts. What I think we can say is there's a good reason these teams that have been outperforming us and generally more forward looking in terms of the tactics they want to deploy have opted for keepers who possess those characteristics.
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