In fairness it's not significantly worse than what Liverpool have produced over the years, Carragher, Gerrard and TAA being the standout individuals but mixed in with your Spearing's, Shelvey's, Jack Robinson's etc. Even the likes of Brannagan, Ejaria, Ojo, Wilson and potentially Woodburn that are all playing Championship or lower, or that sort of level in Woodburn's case.

Most clubs produce players not up to the standard required, Southampton were the only exception but even their academy products have seen a bit of a drop off in recent times as well with not a great deal coming through the ranks.

I do take the case in point though, Spurs probably should have produced another superstar straight from the academy or somebody better than just an average PL player but it depends on your ethos of the club and the manager and if they are willing to develop these players.

comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 40 seconds ago
In fairness it's not significantly worse than what Liverpool have produced over the years, Carragher, Gerrard and TAA being the standout individuals but mixed in with your Spearing's, Shelvey's, Jack Robinson's etc. Even the likes of Brannagan, Ejaria, Ojo, Wilson and potentially Woodburn that are all playing Championship or lower, or that sort of level in Woodburn's case.

Most clubs produce players not up to the standard required, Southampton were the only exception but even their academy products have seen a bit of a drop off in recent times as well with not a great deal coming through the ranks.

I do take the case in point though, Spurs probably should have produced another superstar straight from the academy or somebody better than just an average PL player but it depends on your ethos of the club and the manager and if they are willing to develop these players.
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Disagree with Liverpool because if I compare it with the time I’ve been watching Spurs they’ve produced players like Michael Owen, Robbie Fowler, Steve Macmanaman, Gerard, Carragher, Arnold and others like Conor Coady who haven’t quite reached that level but still had very good careers.

I think it's improving. I don't think it was as big an area of focus historically as a Utc or Liverpool. And then more recently teams like Chelsea and City have become far more attractive to young footballers, for fairly obvious reasons, so they've attracted some of the cream of the crop so to speak.

We've produced a lot of 'lower premier league/championship quality' players (Winks, Townsend, Mason etc) but very few absolute top level. I do think it's looking a good bet that the next top level is Skipp, but we need more time to see on that one.

I think over the next few years we'll see more really exciting players graduating from our academy.

which league are your u-23's playing in?

comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 5 seconds ago
which league are your u-23's playing in?
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PL2 Division 1 I think.

I don't think losing Inglethorpe has done you guys any favours.

Also the catchment area for Spurs is vastly more competitive club wise.

If you had the choice of Liverpool, Everton or Tranmere I'd say we have the edge for example not only through money but also a clear route to the first team.

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Also the catchment area for Spurs is vastly more competitive club wise.

If you had the choice of Liverpool, Everton or Tranmere I'd say we have the edge for example not only through money but also a clear route to the first team.
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I take your point but I do think we underperform still relative to other clubs in London.

comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Also the catchment area for Spurs is vastly more competitive club wise.

If you had the choice of Liverpool, Everton or Tranmere I'd say we have the edge for example not only through money but also a clear route to the first team.
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I take your point but I do think we underperform still relative to other clubs in London.
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The youth are extremely talented we just have a useless loan system to get them experience.

Parrott was a teenage international
Paskotsi us a teenage international
Madueke is performing well in Holland that we let go
Cirkin never got a look but was talented
Skipp...no need to say anything
Tanganga improving
Scarlett highly rated by England set up
Winks was highly rated and got England caps
Markanday highly rated especially by championship teams
Reo Griffiths impressed at Lyon
Alive Devine highly rated also and our youngest scorer in the first team.

Summary is manager changing causes issues plus our loan and club policy is pathetic..at least until recent.

I wish we had an unsaid rule like Bayern that at least 2 academy players must get first team experience in the Prem every season..even if its as substitute for 10 mins

Considering how competitive the catchment area is I'd say we've done well - we've produced a good number of internationals and then a handful of top drawer players.

It is such a huge leap from academy to Premier league that very few opportunities for these players, should have kept the reserve teams were they play consistently every week against older players

comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 23 seconds ago
It is such a huge leap from academy to Premier league that very few opportunities for these players, should have kept the reserve teams were they play consistently every week against older players
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I dont really agree with that because there is a plethora of young English talent playing in the Premier League atm. Arguable the best U23's set of players just be sheer volume and talent than anywhere in the world playing in the hardest league regularly.

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 23 seconds ago
It is such a huge leap from academy to Premier league that very few opportunities for these players, should have kept the reserve teams were they play consistently every week against older players
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I dont really agree with that because there is a plethora of young English talent playing in the Premier League atm. Arguable the best U23's set of players just be sheer volume and talent than anywhere in the world playing in the hardest league regularly.
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That just means the very best talent in England are very good, doesn’t mean the overall difference between academy and premier league football isn’t ridiculous - and why so few players get opportunities for their parent clubs.

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 23 seconds ago
It is such a huge leap from academy to Premier league that very few opportunities for these players, should have kept the reserve teams were they play consistently every week against older players
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I dont really agree with that because there is a plethora of young English talent playing in the Premier League atm. Arguable the best U23's set of players just be sheer volume and talent than anywhere in the world playing in the hardest league regularly.
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That just means the very best talent in England are very good, doesn’t mean the overall difference between academy and premier league football isn’t ridiculous - and why so few players get opportunities for their parent clubs.
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It was more in relation to going back to the old reserve leagues where you'd have 17 year olds randomly playing against seasoned professionals. I like the youth revamp and think it's working basically.

Yeah but the reserve league was a higher standard, so the jump to premier league level wasn’t as big. It’s a problem because all the best players are now being hoovered up by the biggest clubs, so many of the players that would have been playing first team football at lower leagues often aren’t now - even if they are at a high level than their predecessors because of the improvements in coaching.

It’s one of the issues being brought up with this new review of the football pyramid in England. The changes to the academy system facked a lot of clubs down the bottom of the pile and the big clubs have massively exploited it, more so than they used to.

If you can get 1 world class player a decade then your academy is doing well.

Then you supplement that with good players who can either step into squad players or you can sell to make the academy profitable.

We’ve been doing that for a while so I say it’s going pretty well.

We produce a steady stream of players that go on to have good careers. On these shores and abroad. Quite a number of our players from the academy go and play over seas.

Skipp looks like the latest in a steady line of decent academy products.

I think one thing that some clubs get right that Spurs haven't (and neither have Arsenal historically) is getting decent fees for the guys who aren't quite good enough.

It's really unlikely that you'll unearth a consistent number of players good enough for the first team if you're already a decent side

*That said we've had a couple of good fees lately, Willock and Iwobi were incredible deals for us

For one reason or another Spurs seem to produce a lot of highly rated youngsters. Almost none of them go on to reach their supposed potential. Most end up as lower-league players.

That's true of most academies, fair enough. But either Spurs aren't coaching/managing them well enough to help them reach that potential, or Spurs are over-hyping their youngsters and overstating their potential. In either case it makes the academy productivity look worse than it actually is.

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 20 minutes ago
For one reason or another Spurs seem to produce a lot of highly rated youngsters. Almost none of them go on to reach their supposed potential. Most end up as lower-league players.

That's true of most academies, fair enough. But either Spurs aren't coaching/managing them well enough to help them reach that potential, or Spurs are over-hyping their youngsters and overstating their potential. In either case it makes the academy productivity look worse than it actually is.
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I don't think it is Spurs who over hype the promising youngsters but the fans and journos or even managers like Poch who called Marcus Edwards the next Messi for example 🤦🏻‍♂️. I have even been guilty of doing the same with Scarlett but I would never label a player the next XYZ ect.

I remember Ali Gold hyping up Troy Parrot well before he made his debut. Hopefully he has learned his lesson.

Hopefully Mason is installing good values into the youth team players to keep their feet on the ground.

I have a mate who teached Parrot's group NVQ. He said Parrot was a right cockey lad and most of them drove BMW's at 17 and 18 onwards. He also said Spurs loved 5ft 5inch midfielders lol

The ones that usually make it go under the radar like Kane did for some time, Winks (to a degree), King, Skipp and now Tanganga.

I think that the higher up the league you go the harder it is to get players through in to the team, unless they are clearly excellent.

Chelsea have a lot right now but their introduction was almost forced upon them by a transfer ban, ordinarily they would have just gone out and bought.

But Chelsea are also a good example of the secondary function of an academy, that is to produce players to be sold. They get good money for their academy kids and that has contributed to keeping their net spend down to about £25m a year over the last 5 years. Last year they made £15m the year before £25m selling kids you've never heard of.

So i would say the ultimate function of an academy is to bring through quality players but its quite a rare thing. People talking about Liverpool, from Owen through to TAA, that's what, a 20-25 year period. You might produce 1 top class player every 5 years or so, beyond that it produces squad players and players to be sold on for reasonable money. Its a triangle.

comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 20 minutes ago
For one reason or another Spurs seem to produce a lot of highly rated youngsters. Almost none of them go on to reach their supposed potential. Most end up as lower-league players.

That's true of most academies, fair enough. But either Spurs aren't coaching/managing them well enough to help them reach that potential, or Spurs are over-hyping their youngsters and overstating their potential. In either case it makes the academy productivity look worse than it actually is.
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I don't think it is Spurs who over hype the promising youngsters but the fans and journos or even managers like Poch who called Marcus Edwards the next Messi for example 🤦🏻‍♂️. I have even been guilty of doing the same with Scarlett but I would never label a player the next XYZ ect.

I remember Ali Gold hyping up Troy Parrot well before he made his debut. Hopefully he has learned his lesson.

Hopefully Mason is installing good values into the youth team players to keep their feet on the ground.

I have a mate who teached Parrot's group NVQ. He said Parrot was a right cockey lad and most of them drove BMW's at 17 and 18 onwards. He also said Spurs loved 5ft 5inch midfielders lol

The ones that usually make it go under the radar like Kane did for some time, Winks (to a degree), King, Skipp and now Tanganga.

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Yeah true enough - I suppose when I said "Spurs overhype their youngsters" I meant Spurs generally (i.e. journos and fans included), not necessarily the club staff specifically

Tbf we have produced a fair amount of players who went on to have careers in the PL/championship - Townsend, Livermore, Winks, Mason, Walker-Peters, Caulker, Tanganga etc