You could equally argue that Man City and Chelsea have followed Cinci's plan as well, and their fans pretty much don't wonder how they have ended up with the players they have.
You could TheBlackCountry. But they did it in a different time, when FFP wasn't quite the noose it is today.
All I'm saying is it's a double edged sword. Spending money does not guarantee success, It can certainly guarantee failure. Just ask Leeds, Sunderland, Bolton, and poor old Bury. Who are sadly no more.
Wolves fans, in fact fans in general, all want success, they get a taste, and want more. I remember a time when Wolves fans would have been happy just to stay in the Prem.
To me it shows just how far we have come, and how well Fosun have done. And some people are actually questioning whether we need new owners. I dispair sometimes.
You are right Amiga, money does not necessarily buy success there is no guarantee.
However promises were made and they have not been fulfilled and money spent wisely at the right time would have lifted us further up. We have a great base to push on from but if it is not strengthened then we can only fall back.
Boston what promises? Fosun have spent more money than any owner in our history. We have payed big money and brought from clubs like Barcelona. Something that if you had asked 5 years ago people would have laughed.
Fosun are very wealthy people, but they are competing with people even more wealthy, add to that FFP, and the difficulties in simply maintaining a top half finish. It puts into perspective how difficult it is to break into the top six.
But yeah lets all have a go at Fosun, I'm pretty sure there are no billionaires who are queing up and ready to spend more. But I am pretty sure there will be a long list of Batti brothers eager to take control.
Spending money doesn’t guarantee success or even progress. But there is strong evidence in the Premier League that clubs who don’t invest end up going backwards not standing still. While the transfer fees and salaries can look distasteful, if you don’t invest while all those around you do, then that rarely works through as being sensible with your finances
Spangles finally something I agree with. Yes we do need to invest, we do need to be continually looking to improve. You don't do that by simply trying to outspend the competition. especially when they have more money and pull than you.
Smart people will recognise, to compete Wolves need to be smart, look for and take opportunities that others might ignore.
Wolves are a force in the Prem. and yes smart investment is what is needed, to keep us there.
Chelsea had 4 players miss last nights game with Everton plus a number of other players injured. Given how omicron is likely to spread within the club then it must be highly likely they will ask the league to postpone Sundays game
Across the 4 divisions, 19 games are already off this weekend and there are more premier league games off than on
Quote by Jeff Shi on 27th May 2019.
“If we keep it forever, it means we will try to keep investing, we will try to make the club better and better in the future, but our aims will not change, because if you want to keep it forever we have to help the club to be the best, else why are we keeping it?”
He wants to make the club better and better by investing.
11 Aug 2021
Fosun want Wolves to be self-sufficient. They don't want to be pumping money in relentlessly. Interestingly, they also report that Wolves are talking to potential new investors. The hierarchy at the club are looking long-term, at creating a top-six club, capable of bringing in revenue via multiple streams.
11 Aug 2021
Guys just to be clear, I am not against Wolves spending money. But by the same token I am not looking at every transfer window like a kid in a toy shop.
We will get what we can afford. with Fosun it means we can afford more than we could under Morgan, that is all.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 6 minutes ago
Spangles finally something I agree with. Yes we do need to invest, we do need to be continually looking to improve. You don't do that by simply trying to outspend the competition. especially when they have more money and pull than you.
Smart people will recognise, to compete Wolves need to be smart, look for and take opportunities that others might ignore.
Wolves are a force in the Prem. and yes smart investment is what is needed, to keep us there.
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I am not asking for the club to outspend the competition at all, as I have said some wise spending now on a couple of areas would be welcome and would carry the club forward.
Boston, I'm really not sure what the poin t of your post was. Basically you are pointing out Fosun are doing their best within the limitations they have to work in.
bostonwolf
I am not asking for the club to outspend the competition at all, as I have said some wise spending now on a couple of areas would be welcome and would carry the club forward.
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And that is the key isn't it boston, wise spending. and that is a very fine line you are drawing.
The fact that we have a squad of around 17 players and 3/4 long term injuries means we have a bench every week with 2 goalkeepers and a load of kids and we get no chance to change things, I believe makes us understaffed.
Again 2/3 players will give us the chance to have options and no I don't want to spend megabucks but as I've said before players are out there for little money.
boston I know what you are saying, you make some decent points, But you said yourself wise spending.
That doesn't just mean buying players to improve the squad, it means paying the right money and wages to improve the squad.
I'm sure we could sign all sorts of players, but they won't improve what we have. Come January I would like to see some signings. But I want the right signings, not just some filler. If that means nothing in the January window, then so be it. We don't have to do everything in one go.
Fabio Silva and Yerson Mosquera both tested positive for covid
Amiga I think we are singing from the same page, but coming at it from a different direction.
Down another player and sicky.
Bare bones.
If only I was younger and still had my boots.
In his press conference today Bruno complimented his coaching staff on the work they are doing to improve players. Cited the improvement in Ait Nouri’s defensive play as a good example.
He was noncommittal when asked how long Ait Nouri and Hwang would be out with the injuries they picked up on Wednesday
The thing that shats all over your argument though Amiga is that we haven't spent wisely.
Highly likely all games will be postponed now, at least for a few weeks. Spurs already have three games in hand.
comment by Cinciwolf--Whiney and easily offended! (U11551)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
The thing that shats all over your argument though Amiga is that we haven't spent wisely.
Compared to who? Cinci I know you think if you were in charge, every signing would be worth 100 million and we would have won the Prem by now. Everybody else lives in the real world.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf--Whiney and easily offended! (U11551)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
The thing that shats all over your argument though Amiga is that we haven't spent wisely.
Compared to who? Cinci I know you think if you were in charge, every signing would be worth 100 million and we would have won the Prem by now. Everybody else lives in the real world.
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I love how you speak for me all the time. Never once have i ever suggest throwing money at anything that moves.
Ironic that i am one of the few that keeps wanting us to sell Traore as an example so that we can generate funds to build a better squad.
My simple view is that we have done poorly in the transfer windows for several seasons and have regressed, back to back seventh places should have meant we were in a position to at least go at breaking the top six, instead we decided then was the time to reboot and sign kids for a fortune instead of making small tweaks to an already capable squad and now we are a long way from being good enough to finish top six.
Yes Cinci I am very aware of your view. Comments like we haven't spent wisely is your opinion. Just because you think you could have done better does not make it a fact.
Spending money is easy, spending money wisely is hard. That is the challenge facing all clubs, some do it better than others.
As i said earlier Amiga we really all want the same thing.
I agree boston. I'm just more realistic about the challenges we face getting there. I would love to think chucking an extra few million into the transfer pot changes everything. I know the challenge goes much deeper than that.
To be fair, I think you do too. I'm not so sure about cinci <wink>
I tend to agree with Cinci here, in as much as without substantial investment we will definitely regress. As Spangles said, unless you are constantly improving you are actually going backwards.
Although the players we have retained since our first season have improved and now become established “Premier League quality”, the squad has probably gone backwards.
I think Amiga is being completely unrealistic, bordering on delusional, if he thinks we can maintain our current status without significant transfer spending in the next two windows.
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posted on 17/12/21
You could equally argue that Man City and Chelsea have followed Cinci's plan as well, and their fans pretty much don't wonder how they have ended up with the players they have.
posted on 17/12/21
You could TheBlackCountry. But they did it in a different time, when FFP wasn't quite the noose it is today.
All I'm saying is it's a double edged sword. Spending money does not guarantee success, It can certainly guarantee failure. Just ask Leeds, Sunderland, Bolton, and poor old Bury. Who are sadly no more.
Wolves fans, in fact fans in general, all want success, they get a taste, and want more. I remember a time when Wolves fans would have been happy just to stay in the Prem.
To me it shows just how far we have come, and how well Fosun have done. And some people are actually questioning whether we need new owners. I dispair sometimes.
posted on 17/12/21
You are right Amiga, money does not necessarily buy success there is no guarantee.
However promises were made and they have not been fulfilled and money spent wisely at the right time would have lifted us further up. We have a great base to push on from but if it is not strengthened then we can only fall back.
posted on 17/12/21
Boston what promises? Fosun have spent more money than any owner in our history. We have payed big money and brought from clubs like Barcelona. Something that if you had asked 5 years ago people would have laughed.
Fosun are very wealthy people, but they are competing with people even more wealthy, add to that FFP, and the difficulties in simply maintaining a top half finish. It puts into perspective how difficult it is to break into the top six.
But yeah lets all have a go at Fosun, I'm pretty sure there are no billionaires who are queing up and ready to spend more. But I am pretty sure there will be a long list of Batti brothers eager to take control.
posted on 17/12/21
Spending money doesn’t guarantee success or even progress. But there is strong evidence in the Premier League that clubs who don’t invest end up going backwards not standing still. While the transfer fees and salaries can look distasteful, if you don’t invest while all those around you do, then that rarely works through as being sensible with your finances
posted on 17/12/21
Spangles finally something I agree with. Yes we do need to invest, we do need to be continually looking to improve. You don't do that by simply trying to outspend the competition. especially when they have more money and pull than you.
Smart people will recognise, to compete Wolves need to be smart, look for and take opportunities that others might ignore.
Wolves are a force in the Prem. and yes smart investment is what is needed, to keep us there.
posted on 17/12/21
Chelsea had 4 players miss last nights game with Everton plus a number of other players injured. Given how omicron is likely to spread within the club then it must be highly likely they will ask the league to postpone Sundays game
Across the 4 divisions, 19 games are already off this weekend and there are more premier league games off than on
posted on 17/12/21
Quote by Jeff Shi on 27th May 2019.
“If we keep it forever, it means we will try to keep investing, we will try to make the club better and better in the future, but our aims will not change, because if you want to keep it forever we have to help the club to be the best, else why are we keeping it?”
He wants to make the club better and better by investing.
11 Aug 2021
Fosun want Wolves to be self-sufficient. They don't want to be pumping money in relentlessly. Interestingly, they also report that Wolves are talking to potential new investors. The hierarchy at the club are looking long-term, at creating a top-six club, capable of bringing in revenue via multiple streams.
11 Aug 2021
posted on 17/12/21
Guys just to be clear, I am not against Wolves spending money. But by the same token I am not looking at every transfer window like a kid in a toy shop.
We will get what we can afford. with Fosun it means we can afford more than we could under Morgan, that is all.
posted on 17/12/21
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 6 minutes ago
Spangles finally something I agree with. Yes we do need to invest, we do need to be continually looking to improve. You don't do that by simply trying to outspend the competition. especially when they have more money and pull than you.
Smart people will recognise, to compete Wolves need to be smart, look for and take opportunities that others might ignore.
Wolves are a force in the Prem. and yes smart investment is what is needed, to keep us there.
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I am not asking for the club to outspend the competition at all, as I have said some wise spending now on a couple of areas would be welcome and would carry the club forward.
posted on 17/12/21
Boston, I'm really not sure what the poin t of your post was. Basically you are pointing out Fosun are doing their best within the limitations they have to work in.
posted on 17/12/21
bostonwolf
I am not asking for the club to outspend the competition at all, as I have said some wise spending now on a couple of areas would be welcome and would carry the club forward.
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And that is the key isn't it boston, wise spending. and that is a very fine line you are drawing.
posted on 17/12/21
The fact that we have a squad of around 17 players and 3/4 long term injuries means we have a bench every week with 2 goalkeepers and a load of kids and we get no chance to change things, I believe makes us understaffed.
Again 2/3 players will give us the chance to have options and no I don't want to spend megabucks but as I've said before players are out there for little money.
posted on 17/12/21
boston I know what you are saying, you make some decent points, But you said yourself wise spending.
That doesn't just mean buying players to improve the squad, it means paying the right money and wages to improve the squad.
I'm sure we could sign all sorts of players, but they won't improve what we have. Come January I would like to see some signings. But I want the right signings, not just some filler. If that means nothing in the January window, then so be it. We don't have to do everything in one go.
posted on 17/12/21
Fabio Silva and Yerson Mosquera both tested positive for covid
posted on 17/12/21
Amiga I think we are singing from the same page, but coming at it from a different direction.
Down another player and sicky.
Bare bones.
If only I was younger and still had my boots.
posted on 17/12/21
In his press conference today Bruno complimented his coaching staff on the work they are doing to improve players. Cited the improvement in Ait Nouri’s defensive play as a good example.
He was noncommittal when asked how long Ait Nouri and Hwang would be out with the injuries they picked up on Wednesday
posted on 17/12/21
The thing that shats all over your argument though Amiga is that we haven't spent wisely.
posted on 17/12/21
Highly likely all games will be postponed now, at least for a few weeks. Spurs already have three games in hand.
posted on 17/12/21
comment by Cinciwolf--Whiney and easily offended! (U11551)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
The thing that shats all over your argument though Amiga is that we haven't spent wisely.
Compared to who? Cinci I know you think if you were in charge, every signing would be worth 100 million and we would have won the Prem by now. Everybody else lives in the real world.
posted on 17/12/21
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf--Whiney and easily offended! (U11551)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
The thing that shats all over your argument though Amiga is that we haven't spent wisely.
Compared to who? Cinci I know you think if you were in charge, every signing would be worth 100 million and we would have won the Prem by now. Everybody else lives in the real world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I love how you speak for me all the time. Never once have i ever suggest throwing money at anything that moves.
Ironic that i am one of the few that keeps wanting us to sell Traore as an example so that we can generate funds to build a better squad.
My simple view is that we have done poorly in the transfer windows for several seasons and have regressed, back to back seventh places should have meant we were in a position to at least go at breaking the top six, instead we decided then was the time to reboot and sign kids for a fortune instead of making small tweaks to an already capable squad and now we are a long way from being good enough to finish top six.
posted on 17/12/21
Yes Cinci I am very aware of your view. Comments like we haven't spent wisely is your opinion. Just because you think you could have done better does not make it a fact.
Spending money is easy, spending money wisely is hard. That is the challenge facing all clubs, some do it better than others.
posted on 17/12/21
As i said earlier Amiga we really all want the same thing.
posted on 17/12/21
I agree boston. I'm just more realistic about the challenges we face getting there. I would love to think chucking an extra few million into the transfer pot changes everything. I know the challenge goes much deeper than that.
To be fair, I think you do too. I'm not so sure about cinci <wink>
posted on 17/12/21
I tend to agree with Cinci here, in as much as without substantial investment we will definitely regress. As Spangles said, unless you are constantly improving you are actually going backwards.
Although the players we have retained since our first season have improved and now become established “Premier League quality”, the squad has probably gone backwards.
I think Amiga is being completely unrealistic, bordering on delusional, if he thinks we can maintain our current status without significant transfer spending in the next two windows.
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