yeah that swimmer in US College who has smashed every college record and their teammates want to basically protest but fear the woke backlash if they do
https://nypost.com/2021/12/29/transgender-swimmer-lia-thomas-upenn-teammates-considered-boycotting-final-meet/
The next step would be to end the gender division in sport then.
One Wimbledon final, no more Mixed Doubles.
I suppose you could also argue that even in biological male athletes there will be significant variation in testosterone levels. Just off the top of my head, I'll use two Liverpool players, both born male, in VVD and Firmino. I can't say for sure but I'd say there's a decent chance that VVD has significantly higher levels of testosterone then Firmino. Perfectly naturally and no wrongdoing at all there. He's just a naturally bigger guy.
But if you're going to enforce restrictions etc then it would most likely need to involve measuring testosterone levels. Would you then need to have different "classes" based on testosterone levels, similarly to how you have weight categories in boxing?
Had a few drinks so not sure if that's even a valid question but I think it makes sense and highlights the complications in purely sporting terms, before even getting into gender definition etc and the ramifications of that.
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 16 seconds ago
The next step would be to end the gender division in sport then.
One Wimbledon final, no more Mixed Doubles.
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you may be keen to watch mixed secks beach volleyball, boris, but we're not
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 16 seconds ago
The next step would be to end the gender division in sport then.
One Wimbledon final, no more Mixed Doubles.
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you may be keen to watch mixed secks beach volleyball, boris, but we're not
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Mixed as in Men +Trans teams?
If I was an advanced alien and visited earth, I'd leave and nuke it from orbit
No one sensible believes this makes sense.
There are very complicated and rare circumstances where people are physically a mix of both genders, Caster Semenya being an example from my understanding. These cases may well need to be judged on an individual basis to maintain the fairness for all competitors involved.
However these rare cases are not relevant to fully fledged men later having an operation and taking hormone changing drugs - at least not at this stage of medical treatment. Who knows, perhaps in future a full gender change may become real but we're miles from that right now as you can't edit the history of the body.
Society should be open and accepting to all sorts, especially people who've had the unfortunate luck to be born with the mind of one gender and the body of the other.
However due to very real and proven differences between the average physical ability of each gender we have something called "women's sport" and another category called "men's sport". If there were no differences then you could do away with both and everything would be mixed.
Allowing trans men into women's sport basically ruins it for women.
I think the issue here is that people often confuse acceptance of life choices with sporting fairness. Or are we saying that competing in high level sport is a human right now? Cos that seems like a nonsense.
I couldn't care less how you identify yourself, or if you choose to do steroids or HGH.. but I do enjoy watching sports on the basis of good, fair competition. Just like I don't care if you drink alcohol all day.. unless you get in your car after and drive through town. Basically, I believe that anyone is free do what you like as long as that doesn't impact on others' ability to enjoy their life as they like.
You can't ignore the potential negative impact on sport and all the competitors out of political correctness. That doesn't make sense and I don't see how it helps anyone in the long run. If we're going to be really accepting let's give transgender athletes their own categories to compete in and let it stand or fall on its own merits.
https://www.visitmanchester.com/whats-on/the-sparkle-weekend-p336441
This is an annual event where I live.
It doesn't offend anyone and everyone involved seems to have a good time.
The difference is that no one involved is there for financial gain.
Why would that offend anyone?
And what's it got to do with sport?
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why would that offend anyone?
And what's it got to do with sport?
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Because it could offend certain people in more 'conservative' areas and it's in reference to Admin's comments about transphobia.
Next question.
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why would that offend anyone?
And what's it got to do with sport?
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Because it could offend certain people in more 'conservative' areas and it's in reference to Admin's comments about transphobia.
Next question.
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What's it got to do with sport?
I feel like you're doing exactly what I said, and what Admin did in his response. Confusing acceptance of people's life choices with fairness in sport. They're different things that people can have different opinions on.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why would that offend anyone?
And what's it got to do with sport?
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Because it could offend certain people in more 'conservative' areas and it's in reference to Admin's comments about transphobia.
Next question.
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What's it got to do with sport?
I feel like you're doing exactly what I said, and what Admin did in his response. Confusing acceptance of people's life choices with fairness in sport. They're different things that people can have different opinions on.
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It has nothing to do with sport, the point I made mentioned that it wasn't trying to gain an advantage, financial or otherwise.
My previous comments stated my objections to trans people engaging in professional sport.
Right. It would've been easier if you'd answered both questions instead of being a d!ck about it.
Men's sports
Women's sports
Transgender sports
Simple...
They can figure out how they want to deal with pre-op post-op situations.
If I were a woman, I would refuse to compete against a trans... All women athletes should follow suit and this nonsense ends quick!
Chromosome tests at birth? Whatever is recorded on your birth certificate would be sufficient. However you wish to identify later, you cannot change your chromosomes.
Granted there are triple chromosome "sports", the word in that sense referring to a biological aberration.
It is a sensitive subject but sport must be inclusive and a way should be found to accommodate all fairly. But how can that be done?
I find it all very bizarre. The whole point of a trans person transitioning is that they felt they were born into the wrong body, that of the opposite gender. To then use that body’s physical attributes to knowingly gain advantage over the gender you have always felt you belong seems completely wrong.
That said, I have no horse in this race and if need to hear more from women and trans women on the issue
There must be some transgender athletes that are not physically superior and are not top players in their sport. How do people feel about them participating.
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 4 minutes ago
There must be some transgender athletes that are not physically superior and are not top players in their sport. How do people feel about them participating.
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That's probably what is currently saving trans people from being banned from women's sport.
At the moment there are often elite women who are still out performing them.
If Bruce Jenner had transitioned at/before his peak that would've probably put the whole issue to bed as he would have dominated so heavily.
It should go without saying that an average man would struggle against an elite level woman in almost all sports. The issue is when an elite male enters female sport - you can compare things like sprint times, shot power or rare cases where the top men play against top women to see the gulf.
https://youtu.be/wxDaiyREBPw
Enjoy.
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 3 hours, 13 minutes ago
https://youtu.be/wxDaiyREBPw
Enjoy.
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This is always the first thing that comes to my head when this subject is brought up
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 10 hours, 16 minutes ago
Is there a particular individual that made you think about it to create the op? Just curious, not a loaded question.
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Robbie Savage??
Of course they shouldn't compete with biological women. It's unfair.
Beyond that I have no solution.
One thing I find funny is that women who no longer "identify" as women still get to compete on women's teams, but men who "identify" as women also get to compete on women's teams.
Initially I was completely against it as it's so blatantly unfair, but as I've dug more into it it's interesting how many of the main proponents are women. And how few of the women openly stand up and say they're against it (aside from some of the older, retired ones like Radcliffe and Navratalova).
It's come to the point where if women want to welcome men to run all over them, then I'm all for it. Get back to the days where women knew their place - none of this equal pay, right to vote, able to drive nonsense.
Maybe women are just built to be second class?
Never heard a single person who said transgender men should be allowed to compete with women, and if a sporting board said it’s not allowed I doubt many would care.
The minority extreme left have a huge voice in the media.
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posted on 9/1/22
yeah that swimmer in US College who has smashed every college record and their teammates want to basically protest but fear the woke backlash if they do
https://nypost.com/2021/12/29/transgender-swimmer-lia-thomas-upenn-teammates-considered-boycotting-final-meet/
posted on 9/1/22
The next step would be to end the gender division in sport then.
One Wimbledon final, no more Mixed Doubles.
posted on 9/1/22
I suppose you could also argue that even in biological male athletes there will be significant variation in testosterone levels. Just off the top of my head, I'll use two Liverpool players, both born male, in VVD and Firmino. I can't say for sure but I'd say there's a decent chance that VVD has significantly higher levels of testosterone then Firmino. Perfectly naturally and no wrongdoing at all there. He's just a naturally bigger guy.
But if you're going to enforce restrictions etc then it would most likely need to involve measuring testosterone levels. Would you then need to have different "classes" based on testosterone levels, similarly to how you have weight categories in boxing?
Had a few drinks so not sure if that's even a valid question but I think it makes sense and highlights the complications in purely sporting terms, before even getting into gender definition etc and the ramifications of that.
posted on 9/1/22
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 16 seconds ago
The next step would be to end the gender division in sport then.
One Wimbledon final, no more Mixed Doubles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you may be keen to watch mixed secks beach volleyball, boris, but we're not
posted on 9/1/22
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 16 seconds ago
The next step would be to end the gender division in sport then.
One Wimbledon final, no more Mixed Doubles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you may be keen to watch mixed secks beach volleyball, boris, but we're not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mixed as in Men +Trans teams?
posted on 9/1/22
If I was an advanced alien and visited earth, I'd leave and nuke it from orbit
posted on 9/1/22
No one sensible believes this makes sense.
There are very complicated and rare circumstances where people are physically a mix of both genders, Caster Semenya being an example from my understanding. These cases may well need to be judged on an individual basis to maintain the fairness for all competitors involved.
However these rare cases are not relevant to fully fledged men later having an operation and taking hormone changing drugs - at least not at this stage of medical treatment. Who knows, perhaps in future a full gender change may become real but we're miles from that right now as you can't edit the history of the body.
Society should be open and accepting to all sorts, especially people who've had the unfortunate luck to be born with the mind of one gender and the body of the other.
However due to very real and proven differences between the average physical ability of each gender we have something called "women's sport" and another category called "men's sport". If there were no differences then you could do away with both and everything would be mixed.
Allowing trans men into women's sport basically ruins it for women.
posted on 9/1/22
I think the issue here is that people often confuse acceptance of life choices with sporting fairness. Or are we saying that competing in high level sport is a human right now? Cos that seems like a nonsense.
I couldn't care less how you identify yourself, or if you choose to do steroids or HGH.. but I do enjoy watching sports on the basis of good, fair competition. Just like I don't care if you drink alcohol all day.. unless you get in your car after and drive through town. Basically, I believe that anyone is free do what you like as long as that doesn't impact on others' ability to enjoy their life as they like.
You can't ignore the potential negative impact on sport and all the competitors out of political correctness. That doesn't make sense and I don't see how it helps anyone in the long run. If we're going to be really accepting let's give transgender athletes their own categories to compete in and let it stand or fall on its own merits.
posted on 9/1/22
https://www.visitmanchester.com/whats-on/the-sparkle-weekend-p336441
This is an annual event where I live.
It doesn't offend anyone and everyone involved seems to have a good time.
The difference is that no one involved is there for financial gain.
posted on 9/1/22
Why would that offend anyone?
And what's it got to do with sport?
posted on 9/1/22
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why would that offend anyone?
And what's it got to do with sport?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because it could offend certain people in more 'conservative' areas and it's in reference to Admin's comments about transphobia.
Next question.
posted on 9/1/22
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why would that offend anyone?
And what's it got to do with sport?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because it could offend certain people in more 'conservative' areas and it's in reference to Admin's comments about transphobia.
Next question.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What's it got to do with sport?
I feel like you're doing exactly what I said, and what Admin did in his response. Confusing acceptance of people's life choices with fairness in sport. They're different things that people can have different opinions on.
posted on 9/1/22
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why would that offend anyone?
And what's it got to do with sport?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because it could offend certain people in more 'conservative' areas and it's in reference to Admin's comments about transphobia.
Next question.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What's it got to do with sport?
I feel like you're doing exactly what I said, and what Admin did in his response. Confusing acceptance of people's life choices with fairness in sport. They're different things that people can have different opinions on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It has nothing to do with sport, the point I made mentioned that it wasn't trying to gain an advantage, financial or otherwise.
My previous comments stated my objections to trans people engaging in professional sport.
posted on 9/1/22
Right. It would've been easier if you'd answered both questions instead of being a d!ck about it.
posted on 9/1/22
Men's sports
Women's sports
Transgender sports
Simple...
They can figure out how they want to deal with pre-op post-op situations.
If I were a woman, I would refuse to compete against a trans... All women athletes should follow suit and this nonsense ends quick!
posted on 9/1/22
Chromosome tests at birth? Whatever is recorded on your birth certificate would be sufficient. However you wish to identify later, you cannot change your chromosomes.
Granted there are triple chromosome "sports", the word in that sense referring to a biological aberration.
It is a sensitive subject but sport must be inclusive and a way should be found to accommodate all fairly. But how can that be done?
posted on 9/1/22
I find it all very bizarre. The whole point of a trans person transitioning is that they felt they were born into the wrong body, that of the opposite gender. To then use that body’s physical attributes to knowingly gain advantage over the gender you have always felt you belong seems completely wrong.
That said, I have no horse in this race and if need to hear more from women and trans women on the issue
posted on 9/1/22
There must be some transgender athletes that are not physically superior and are not top players in their sport. How do people feel about them participating.
posted on 9/1/22
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 4 minutes ago
There must be some transgender athletes that are not physically superior and are not top players in their sport. How do people feel about them participating.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's probably what is currently saving trans people from being banned from women's sport.
At the moment there are often elite women who are still out performing them.
If Bruce Jenner had transitioned at/before his peak that would've probably put the whole issue to bed as he would have dominated so heavily.
It should go without saying that an average man would struggle against an elite level woman in almost all sports. The issue is when an elite male enters female sport - you can compare things like sprint times, shot power or rare cases where the top men play against top women to see the gulf.
posted on 9/1/22
https://youtu.be/wxDaiyREBPw
Enjoy.
posted on 9/1/22
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 3 hours, 13 minutes ago
https://youtu.be/wxDaiyREBPw
Enjoy.
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This is always the first thing that comes to my head when this subject is brought up
posted on 9/1/22
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 10 hours, 16 minutes ago
Is there a particular individual that made you think about it to create the op? Just curious, not a loaded question.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Robbie Savage??
posted on 9/1/22
Of course they shouldn't compete with biological women. It's unfair.
Beyond that I have no solution.
posted on 9/1/22
One thing I find funny is that women who no longer "identify" as women still get to compete on women's teams, but men who "identify" as women also get to compete on women's teams.
Initially I was completely against it as it's so blatantly unfair, but as I've dug more into it it's interesting how many of the main proponents are women. And how few of the women openly stand up and say they're against it (aside from some of the older, retired ones like Radcliffe and Navratalova).
It's come to the point where if women want to welcome men to run all over them, then I'm all for it. Get back to the days where women knew their place - none of this equal pay, right to vote, able to drive nonsense.
Maybe women are just built to be second class?
posted on 9/1/22
Never heard a single person who said transgender men should be allowed to compete with women, and if a sporting board said it’s not allowed I doubt many would care.
The minority extreme left have a huge voice in the media.
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