comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
Brexit is done by one measure. We are no longer in the EU. Have to cross borders with a passport.
We are not on the council and have no say what goes on. We have clearly left.
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That miniscule part of Brexit is done, surely you understand that is probably the least complicated part of the process though?
A more appropriate statement might be to say we have started to leave although that's not even particularly helpful
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
Brexit is done by one measure. We are no longer in the EU. Have to cross borders with a passport.
We are not on the council and have no say what goes on. We have clearly left.
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That miniscule part of Brexit is done, surely you understand that is probably the least complicated part of the process though?
A more appropriate statement might be to say we have started to leave although that's not even particularly helpful
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I think he means ‘done’ in the sense of there being no point in continuing a ‘leave/remain’ argument and that we should focus on how best to move forward after the catastrophic mistake - I mean, the decision.
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
Brexit is done by one measure. We are no longer in the EU. Have to cross borders with a passport.
We are not on the council and have no say what goes on. We have clearly left.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That miniscule part of Brexit is done, surely you understand that is probably the least complicated part of the process though?
A more appropriate statement might be to say we have started to leave although that's not even particularly helpful
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think he means ‘done’ in the sense of there being no point in continuing a ‘leave/remain’ argument and that we should focus on how best to move forward after the catastrophic mistake - I mean, the decision.
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Absolutely. Of course the ramifications will continue. But we have left. So how best to make it work.
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
Brexit is done by one measure. We are no longer in the EU. Have to cross borders with a passport.
We are not on the council and have no say what goes on. We have clearly left.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That miniscule part of Brexit is done, surely you understand that is probably the least complicated part of the process though?
A more appropriate statement might be to say we have started to leave although that's not even particularly helpful
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think he means ‘done’ in the sense of there being no point in continuing a ‘leave/remain’ argument and that we should focus on how best to move forward after the catastrophic mistake - I mean, the decision.
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as the consequneces of this decision start to become apparent and take effect, the fall out and divisions that they will create amongst the divided UK population will last and simmer for years to come.
“ Absolutely. Of course the ramifications will continue. But we have left. So how best to make it work.”
____
This is not the case 52 in the strictest legal sense. The NI protocol has yet to be implemented and, as Theresa May loved to repeatedly say; “Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.”
The EU have, since January 2020 adopted this position.
comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 5 minutes ago
“ Absolutely. Of course the ramifications will continue. But we have left. So how best to make it work.”
____
This is not the case 52 in the strictest legal sense. The NI protocol has yet to be implemented and, as Theresa May loved to repeatedly say; “Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.”
The EU have, since January 2020 adopted this position.
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Large parts of the TCA are renegotiated every few years. Fishing rights, rules of origin, financial services (equivalence) level playing field mechanisms etc etc. Not forgetting the NIP which will shape the political landscape in NI for a generation.
comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 10 minutes ago
“ Absolutely. Of course the ramifications will continue. But we have left. So how best to make it work.”
____
This is not the case 52 in the strictest legal sense. The NI protocol has yet to be implemented and, as Theresa May loved to repeatedly say; “Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.”
The EU have, since January 2020 adopted this position.
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So despite Brexit, and a basic agreement reached and signed, we haven't actually left. We are still a member. We'll Hurrah.
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think one of the major takeaways is that for many UK businesses they cannot "make the best of it" as market access has been completely closed off and/or wholly unviable.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's just that this doesn't make sense in the context of the process. The leave campaign, then post vote the Tory party did such a huge job of lying they turned a huge barely started process into a slogan (get Brexit done) that entirely misleads to what's actually happening
Mm. That's certainly not what I read on wiki, or the Guardian. We have left. So as per the OP we need to make the best of it, and negotiate as best we can.
But I'm certainly happy to listen to you're view as to why we have only just started.
The withdrawal treaty was signed over a year ago, we have no influence over them or them over us in a'y meaningful way
According to my reading
Apparently most poeple in the UK would vote to rejoin the EU if they were asked. That's a powerful carrot for other political parties other than the torys to dangle in front of the electorate.
comment by RB&W - What is it now, Ralf? (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Apparently most poeple in the UK would vote to rejoin the EU if they were asked. That's a powerful carrot for other political parties other than the torys to dangle in front of the electorate.
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Would Europe want us back? And on what terms
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - What is it now, Ralf? (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Apparently most poeple in the UK would vote to rejoin the EU if they were asked. That's a powerful carrot for other political parties other than the torys to dangle in front of the electorate.
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Would Europe want us back? And on what terms
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From a purely economic perspective yes. The UK would probably lose many of it's opt outs it enjoyed before, and a few tweaks to enchance environmental, working rights etc (to meet baseline EU standards) the UK would comfortably meet the rules for ascension.
Politically there's next to no chance of the UK rejoining any time soon.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 34 minutes ago
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Some ideas on how to make the best of it, in order of descending net benefit:
1. Undo it and rejoin
2. Bin the TCA and rejoin both the SM and CU. Join the EFTA.
3. Common Market 2.0, with membership of the CU and regulatory alignment with the SM
4. Some other kind of customs union
.
.
.
10. Current pointless self harm approach
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 34 minutes ago
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Some ideas on how to make the best of it, in order of descending net benefit:
1. Undo it and rejoin
2. Bin the TCA and rejoin both the SM and CU. Join the EFTA.
3. Common Market 2.0, with membership of the CU and regulatory alignment with the SM
4. Some other kind of customs union
.
.
.
10. Current pointless self harm approach
----------------------------------------------------------------------
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posted on 16/1/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
Brexit is done by one measure. We are no longer in the EU. Have to cross borders with a passport.
We are not on the council and have no say what goes on. We have clearly left.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That miniscule part of Brexit is done, surely you understand that is probably the least complicated part of the process though?
A more appropriate statement might be to say we have started to leave although that's not even particularly helpful
posted on 16/1/22
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
Brexit is done by one measure. We are no longer in the EU. Have to cross borders with a passport.
We are not on the council and have no say what goes on. We have clearly left.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That miniscule part of Brexit is done, surely you understand that is probably the least complicated part of the process though?
A more appropriate statement might be to say we have started to leave although that's not even particularly helpful
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think he means ‘done’ in the sense of there being no point in continuing a ‘leave/remain’ argument and that we should focus on how best to move forward after the catastrophic mistake - I mean, the decision.
posted on 16/1/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
Brexit is done by one measure. We are no longer in the EU. Have to cross borders with a passport.
We are not on the council and have no say what goes on. We have clearly left.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That miniscule part of Brexit is done, surely you understand that is probably the least complicated part of the process though?
A more appropriate statement might be to say we have started to leave although that's not even particularly helpful
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think he means ‘done’ in the sense of there being no point in continuing a ‘leave/remain’ argument and that we should focus on how best to move forward after the catastrophic mistake - I mean, the decision.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely. Of course the ramifications will continue. But we have left. So how best to make it work.
posted on 16/1/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
Brexit is done by one measure. We are no longer in the EU. Have to cross borders with a passport.
We are not on the council and have no say what goes on. We have clearly left.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That miniscule part of Brexit is done, surely you understand that is probably the least complicated part of the process though?
A more appropriate statement might be to say we have started to leave although that's not even particularly helpful
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think he means ‘done’ in the sense of there being no point in continuing a ‘leave/remain’ argument and that we should focus on how best to move forward after the catastrophic mistake - I mean, the decision.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
as the consequneces of this decision start to become apparent and take effect, the fall out and divisions that they will create amongst the divided UK population will last and simmer for years to come.
posted on 16/1/22
“ Absolutely. Of course the ramifications will continue. But we have left. So how best to make it work.”
____
This is not the case 52 in the strictest legal sense. The NI protocol has yet to be implemented and, as Theresa May loved to repeatedly say; “Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.”
The EU have, since January 2020 adopted this position.
posted on 16/1/22
comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 5 minutes ago
“ Absolutely. Of course the ramifications will continue. But we have left. So how best to make it work.”
____
This is not the case 52 in the strictest legal sense. The NI protocol has yet to be implemented and, as Theresa May loved to repeatedly say; “Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.”
The EU have, since January 2020 adopted this position.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Large parts of the TCA are renegotiated every few years. Fishing rights, rules of origin, financial services (equivalence) level playing field mechanisms etc etc. Not forgetting the NIP which will shape the political landscape in NI for a generation.
posted on 16/1/22
comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 10 minutes ago
“ Absolutely. Of course the ramifications will continue. But we have left. So how best to make it work.”
____
This is not the case 52 in the strictest legal sense. The NI protocol has yet to be implemented and, as Theresa May loved to repeatedly say; “Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.”
The EU have, since January 2020 adopted this position.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So despite Brexit, and a basic agreement reached and signed, we haven't actually left. We are still a member. We'll Hurrah.
posted on 16/1/22
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
posted on 16/1/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think one of the major takeaways is that for many UK businesses they cannot "make the best of it" as market access has been completely closed off and/or wholly unviable.
posted on 16/1/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's just that this doesn't make sense in the context of the process. The leave campaign, then post vote the Tory party did such a huge job of lying they turned a huge barely started process into a slogan (get Brexit done) that entirely misleads to what's actually happening
posted on 16/1/22
Mm. That's certainly not what I read on wiki, or the Guardian. We have left. So as per the OP we need to make the best of it, and negotiate as best we can.
But I'm certainly happy to listen to you're view as to why we have only just started.
The withdrawal treaty was signed over a year ago, we have no influence over them or them over us in a'y meaningful way
According to my reading
posted on 16/1/22
Apparently most poeple in the UK would vote to rejoin the EU if they were asked. That's a powerful carrot for other political parties other than the torys to dangle in front of the electorate.
posted on 16/1/22
comment by RB&W - What is it now, Ralf? (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Apparently most poeple in the UK would vote to rejoin the EU if they were asked. That's a powerful carrot for other political parties other than the torys to dangle in front of the electorate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would Europe want us back? And on what terms
posted on 16/1/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - What is it now, Ralf? (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Apparently most poeple in the UK would vote to rejoin the EU if they were asked. That's a powerful carrot for other political parties other than the torys to dangle in front of the electorate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would Europe want us back? And on what terms
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From a purely economic perspective yes. The UK would probably lose many of it's opt outs it enjoyed before, and a few tweaks to enchance environmental, working rights etc (to meet baseline EU standards) the UK would comfortably meet the rules for ascension.
Politically there's next to no chance of the UK rejoining any time soon.
posted on 16/1/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 34 minutes ago
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Some ideas on how to make the best of it, in order of descending net benefit:
1. Undo it and rejoin
2. Bin the TCA and rejoin both the SM and CU. Join the EFTA.
3. Common Market 2.0, with membership of the CU and regulatory alignment with the SM
4. Some other kind of customs union
.
.
.
10. Current pointless self harm approach
posted on 16/1/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 34 minutes ago
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Some ideas on how to make the best of it, in order of descending net benefit:
1. Undo it and rejoin
2. Bin the TCA and rejoin both the SM and CU. Join the EFTA.
3. Common Market 2.0, with membership of the CU and regulatory alignment with the SM
4. Some other kind of customs union
.
.
.
10. Current pointless self harm approach
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