I'm almost at the point where I'd cut-off my nose to spite my face and start next season sharing a ground with Mickelover Sports.
Added bonus of MM having a white elephant stadium to look after.
Hang in there Chicago. We're all fuming, my kids haven't dared speak to me all day.
I need someone to put this legal lark in layman's terms for me. Everybody seems to know what they're talking about, but the words coming out of their mouths make no sense.
Is it something like this?
Wycombe and Borough are mad at us, because our ex owner didn't play nice. Our ex owner lost the plot and left us in a right pickle. The EFL are the Mummy and Daddy in this argument. They've told the kids to sort it out amongst themselves or naughty Derby doesn't get any dinner. Wycombe and Borough have demanded that Derby give them food, even though our sugar Daddy has left us for with no sugar and Mummy and Daddy have locked us in the naughty cupboard.
Three people have offered to give Derby some food. Mummy and Daddy EFL have said, not until Derby has eaten his arm, hand and leg off and given food they don't have to baby Borough and little Wycombe????
When Derby have eaten half of their limbs off then we can all play nice again.
I think I've got it wrong but it's confusing.
Yep, that's about it 2W. Nicely put. But I now firmly believe we need an honest broker/food distributor (ie, arbitrator) to sort the mess out once and for all.
If Boro and WW are the issue, it would appear the EFL are acting unlawfully.
The unwillingness of the administrators to explicitly state this could point at something else though?
comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 37 minutes ago
Hang in there Chicago. We're all fuming, my kids haven't dared speak to me all day.
I need someone to put this legal lark in layman's terms for me. Everybody seems to know what they're talking about, but the words coming out of their mouths make no sense.
Is it something like this?
Wycombe and Borough are mad at us, because our ex owner didn't play nice. Our ex owner lost the plot and left us in a right pickle. The EFL are the Mummy and Daddy in this argument. They've told the kids to sort it out amongst themselves or naughty Derby doesn't get any dinner. Wycombe and Borough have demanded that Derby give them food, even though our sugar Daddy has left us for with no sugar and Mummy and Daddy have locked us in the naughty cupboard.
Three people have offered to give Derby some food. Mummy and Daddy EFL have said, not until Derby has eaten his arm, hand and leg off and given food they don't have to baby Borough and little Wycombe????
When Derby have eaten half of their limbs off then we can all play nice again.
I think I've got it wrong but it's confusing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pick the bones out of that Spart.
Super analogy Wellies
Random thought. Peace offering.
Wycombe = Watson and Aghatise (we pay the wages).
Borough = Sibley and Williams (we pay the wages).
Loans until the end of the season, paid by us.
Mornin’ y’all
Morning 2W
Match Day!!!!’
I think the Administrators need to tell us in Laymans Terms what this all means because it's as clear as mud to me.
I was thinking last night, that if you think about it, the Club only exists because of the fans. ie....no fans = no income. So therefore the fans are the most important aspect of this, and in fact any Club....yet we continue to be the last people to be told anything.
Allowing the Club to go out of business will help nobody - because nobody gets paid anything - so there has to be a degree of realism to all this.
I lifted this comment off another site,,,,which gave another slant on the situation :
"There are so many wrong assumptions being made that it’s hard to know where to start. The latest embargo is purely to do with the inability of the administrators to provide proof to the EFL that the club can continue trading until the end of the season and absolutely nothing to do with the Boro or Wycombe claims. It’s obvious why they have requested that proof now, the matter has been dragging on for four months and they must be concerned that our ability to borrow money will come to an abrupt end and we won’t be able to complete our fixtures. As far as the Boro/Wycombe claims are concerned they have to serve notice on Derby and the EFL that they want intervention, that they want the matter to go to an independent arbitration panel. Until such time as they do that the EFL have zero involvement and they make that very clear to Ramstrust in their latest letter. The matter cannot be taken before the courts because league rules say it has to go to arbitration. No one can interfere with the process on behalf of Gibson because the EFL board cannot rule on the dispute, the panel has to be independent. If we provide proof of funds the ban on transfers ends, if we can’t we should all be very worried. The EFL request for proof does not and cannot delay or impede the takeover process, how could it? The takeover revolves around the debts and the cost of the stadium, maybe on the outcome of a future arbitration panel, not a simple request to evidence our ability to stay afloat."
Cheers.
Terry
Wow!
The professional and respected administrators have been told by The EFL board, two of which are Boro and Forest executives and none of which are experts in business administration, that their perfectly legal and costed plan to exit administration is not satisfactory. And the reason it’s not satisfactory is because the irrelevant, in administration terms, claims of Boro and Wycombe have not been addressed.
You could not make this up.
In order for this plan to have gone forward all creditors have had to agree to it, including HMRC. The Administrators where so confident that this was going to be accepted by the EFL that they told Rooney it was a done deal before his press conference on Thursday.
The Admins are furious, Rooney is furious and the DCFC staff who’s jobs are at risk are furious. The EFL’s position has no basis in law, they have stated that they have no jurisdiction over the civil cases brought by Wycombe and Boro but have refused to allow us the move forward without these being resolved.
It’s just plain wrong.
Will the admins sue the EFL because their reputation as administrators is at state as their plan has failed.
Does Rooney publicly call out the EFL to explain their ridiculous stance.
Do the press focus on the spurious claims of Wycombe and Boro for a change to highlight the real viciousness attached to them.
As Rameses says. Diplomacy has failed. We are on the brink. The EFL are hiding behind weasel words in their so-called justification for blocking this. "Claims can't be compressed" and the like. What rubbish. What claims? Rooney and the administrators need to be saying it loudly and often to expose the ridiculousness of it. The press should be asking Gibson loudly and often why, if that's the case, he isn't suing the EFL who adjudicate on punishments, or the auditors who signed off Derby's accounts.
Bring these people out in to the public eye. Make them explain themselves.
The other problem is the administrators have already shown themselves to be pushovers, they've already accepted completely unfair sanctions that could have been fought (and won) in court, because every single thing that's going on now comes down to the EFL initially approving that accounting method and our accounts. Dodgy as it was, they approved it, it's acceptable in other industries, and everything we did after was based on that approval.
The EFL is clearly expecting them to roll over again here.
comment by Rameses (U7190)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
Wow!
The professional and respected administrators have been told by The EFL board, two of which are Boro and Forest executives and none of which are experts in business administration, that their perfectly legal and costed plan to exit administration is not satisfactory. And the reason it’s not satisfactory is because the irrelevant, in administration terms, claims
of Boro and Wycombe have not been addressed.
You could not make this up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They may not be experts in business administration but Nicholas Randall QC does specialise in Sports Law and his former clients include Sir Bobby Robson, the Premier League, and Wayne Rooney so give him credit for that please.
(Not saying he might not have a small axe to grind though)
Comrades …. Here’s my letter to my MP
Mrs Latham
I am writing as one of your constituents to implore you to raise the deplorable situation affecting staff , players and most of all, the fans of Derby County .
It goes without saying that the impact of a failure of the administration to be exited successfully, will have a profound impact on the cultural, financial and mental well-being of many families across Derbyshire and the wider world .
For so many of your constituents , The Rams have been an ever constant in their lives , and the prospect of them going out of business
The shenanigans and thoroughly depressing chaos caused by the vacuous financial claims made by directors of Wycombe Wanderers and Middlesbrough are, through the weak leadership of the EFL, holding unfairly the administration in perilous limbo . The club is on a precipice and the EFL are acting in an appalling fashion in allowing these two clubs to attempt manipulate both the rules of the competition mid season , and to corrupt the legal process of administration. All the clubs in the EFL and some in the Premiership , have vested interests in us dying by a thousand cuts , to enable them to pick off our players for a song and doubly to weaken our ability to play our way out of relegation. Their actions to destroy us are increasing in their bile with each victory Wayne Rooney records in this valiant attempt to save ourselves .
3 buyers have tabled bids , and must be allowed to fairly and promptly allow their offers to proceed to the creditors vote .
I implore you to lobby all relevant ministers to shake up the EFL to allow the club to within days to find the new owner capable of securing some return for creditors , including of course HMRC , and to stop us from going into oblivion . This club is the life blood of our community and must be allowed to have a fair chance to survive .
In no way do I condone any of the actions of the previous owner Mel Morris . These legal/compo claims should be directed at him personally by the persuers, and in the courts not an administration process that the aims to protect the company in administration from disruptive and false legal claims .
Regards “ Hintononthewing”
*********BREAKING NEWS**************
More trouble for Boris Johnson, as his aides confuse the EFL for the BBC.
It is understood that in an attempt to secure his political future, he's agreed to wind up the shower of incompetence that is the EFL. In a surprising U turn he has bowed down to pressure from Labour backbenchers and agreed to strip the Premier League and EFL of their rights to govern.
In a blow to the top 6 monopolising c&*^s, TV rights money will now be redistributed fairly throughout the leagues.
Guardiola and Klopp leapt to defend the current setup. "Hard working, weak minded glory hunting, consumers demand the highest levels of inequality to keep our league competitive." Pep raged. Sentiments echoed by Jurgen Klopp. "Fans prefer to see all the good players on one side and all the 5hit ones on the other. That way Match of the Day, can pretend that bosses are great and amazing and we should all bow down to their authority." Roman Abramovich cut short a fundraiser for Israeli settlements to echo similar concerns. "If the English game continues it's suicidal path towards equality, we will take all the good players and put them in other leagues where, we can make them look better than they really are again."
Tory backbenchers have vowed to fight against Boris Johnson. John Redwood after singing the Welsh National Anthem, said Johnson's decision to cut funding to the governing bodies of the English game, is tantamount to treason, and the first step towards Stalinism.
In other news Tom Lawrence the Derby attacking midfielder has drawn the ire of Severn Trent Water. He was found dancing on the water at Ladybower Reservoir in the early hours of Sunday morning. His friends Richard Keogh and Mason Bennett uploaded videos of it onto popular media sharing platform Tik Tok, from the backseat of their Taxi. Quantuma have declined to comment on the videos. "We are aware of unverified photos of Tom Lawrence walking on water but right now are fully focused on Mike Ashley signing this peace of paper, that says "Veni, vidi, vici EFL and Steve Gibson."
Dear “hintononthewing”
Thank you for your email to my parliamentary office regarding Derby County, which I read with concern.
I am an avid Derby County supporter and have been for many years and so I fully appreciate the passion, commitment and loyalty of all the Rams fans. I met with a representative from Derby County this morning, who has updated me on this urgent situation. I am deeply concerned about the future of Derby County, a founding member of the football league, and will work with my fellow Derbyshire MPs to secure an urgent meeting with Nigel Huddleston MP, the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State, Minister for Sport, Tourism, Heritage and Civil Society and Tracey Crouch MP, who led the independent review of football governance.
I give my full support to this ongoing situation between the EFL and Derby County. Derby County Football Club plays a huge part in the lives of people in my constituency, impacting the city’s economy and businesses - an essential foundation of Derby’s community.
I am committed to ensuring the survival of Derby County Football Club and will publish any updates on my website. I have included the link below for ease of reference:
https://www.paulinelatham.co.uk/campaignresponses.
Thank you again for taking the time to raise this urgent situation with me.
With best wishes
Pauline Latham MP
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posted on 14/1/22
I'm almost at the point where I'd cut-off my nose to spite my face and start next season sharing a ground with Mickelover Sports.
Added bonus of MM having a white elephant stadium to look after.
posted on 14/1/22
Hang in there Chicago. We're all fuming, my kids haven't dared speak to me all day.
I need someone to put this legal lark in layman's terms for me. Everybody seems to know what they're talking about, but the words coming out of their mouths make no sense.
Is it something like this?
Wycombe and Borough are mad at us, because our ex owner didn't play nice. Our ex owner lost the plot and left us in a right pickle. The EFL are the Mummy and Daddy in this argument. They've told the kids to sort it out amongst themselves or naughty Derby doesn't get any dinner. Wycombe and Borough have demanded that Derby give them food, even though our sugar Daddy has left us for with no sugar and Mummy and Daddy have locked us in the naughty cupboard.
Three people have offered to give Derby some food. Mummy and Daddy EFL have said, not until Derby has eaten his arm, hand and leg off and given food they don't have to baby Borough and little Wycombe????
When Derby have eaten half of their limbs off then we can all play nice again.
I think I've got it wrong but it's confusing.
posted on 14/1/22
Yep, that's about it 2W. Nicely put. But I now firmly believe we need an honest broker/food distributor (ie, arbitrator) to sort the mess out once and for all.
posted on 14/1/22
If Boro and WW are the issue, it would appear the EFL are acting unlawfully.
The unwillingness of the administrators to explicitly state this could point at something else though?
posted on 14/1/22
comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 37 minutes ago
Hang in there Chicago. We're all fuming, my kids haven't dared speak to me all day.
I need someone to put this legal lark in layman's terms for me. Everybody seems to know what they're talking about, but the words coming out of their mouths make no sense.
Is it something like this?
Wycombe and Borough are mad at us, because our ex owner didn't play nice. Our ex owner lost the plot and left us in a right pickle. The EFL are the Mummy and Daddy in this argument. They've told the kids to sort it out amongst themselves or naughty Derby doesn't get any dinner. Wycombe and Borough have demanded that Derby give them food, even though our sugar Daddy has left us for with no sugar and Mummy and Daddy have locked us in the naughty cupboard.
Three people have offered to give Derby some food. Mummy and Daddy EFL have said, not until Derby has eaten his arm, hand and leg off and given food they don't have to baby Borough and little Wycombe????
When Derby have eaten half of their limbs off then we can all play nice again.
I think I've got it wrong but it's confusing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pick the bones out of that Spart.
Super analogy Wellies
posted on 15/1/22
Random thought. Peace offering.
Wycombe = Watson and Aghatise (we pay the wages).
Borough = Sibley and Williams (we pay the wages).
posted on 15/1/22
Loans until the end of the season, paid by us.
posted on 15/1/22
Mornin’ y’all
Morning 2W
Match Day!!!!’
posted on 15/1/22
Wrong thread
posted on 15/1/22
I think the Administrators need to tell us in Laymans Terms what this all means because it's as clear as mud to me.
I was thinking last night, that if you think about it, the Club only exists because of the fans. ie....no fans = no income. So therefore the fans are the most important aspect of this, and in fact any Club....yet we continue to be the last people to be told anything.
Allowing the Club to go out of business will help nobody - because nobody gets paid anything - so there has to be a degree of realism to all this.
I lifted this comment off another site,,,,which gave another slant on the situation :
"There are so many wrong assumptions being made that it’s hard to know where to start. The latest embargo is purely to do with the inability of the administrators to provide proof to the EFL that the club can continue trading until the end of the season and absolutely nothing to do with the Boro or Wycombe claims. It’s obvious why they have requested that proof now, the matter has been dragging on for four months and they must be concerned that our ability to borrow money will come to an abrupt end and we won’t be able to complete our fixtures. As far as the Boro/Wycombe claims are concerned they have to serve notice on Derby and the EFL that they want intervention, that they want the matter to go to an independent arbitration panel. Until such time as they do that the EFL have zero involvement and they make that very clear to Ramstrust in their latest letter. The matter cannot be taken before the courts because league rules say it has to go to arbitration. No one can interfere with the process on behalf of Gibson because the EFL board cannot rule on the dispute, the panel has to be independent. If we provide proof of funds the ban on transfers ends, if we can’t we should all be very worried. The EFL request for proof does not and cannot delay or impede the takeover process, how could it? The takeover revolves around the debts and the cost of the stadium, maybe on the outcome of a future arbitration panel, not a simple request to evidence our ability to stay afloat."
Cheers.
Terry
posted on 15/1/22
Wow!
The professional and respected administrators have been told by The EFL board, two of which are Boro and Forest executives and none of which are experts in business administration, that their perfectly legal and costed plan to exit administration is not satisfactory. And the reason it’s not satisfactory is because the irrelevant, in administration terms, claims of Boro and Wycombe have not been addressed.
You could not make this up.
In order for this plan to have gone forward all creditors have had to agree to it, including HMRC. The Administrators where so confident that this was going to be accepted by the EFL that they told Rooney it was a done deal before his press conference on Thursday.
The Admins are furious, Rooney is furious and the DCFC staff who’s jobs are at risk are furious. The EFL’s position has no basis in law, they have stated that they have no jurisdiction over the civil cases brought by Wycombe and Boro but have refused to allow us the move forward without these being resolved.
It’s just plain wrong.
Will the admins sue the EFL because their reputation as administrators is at state as their plan has failed.
Does Rooney publicly call out the EFL to explain their ridiculous stance.
Do the press focus on the spurious claims of Wycombe and Boro for a change to highlight the real viciousness attached to them.
posted on 15/1/22
As Rameses says. Diplomacy has failed. We are on the brink. The EFL are hiding behind weasel words in their so-called justification for blocking this. "Claims can't be compressed" and the like. What rubbish. What claims? Rooney and the administrators need to be saying it loudly and often to expose the ridiculousness of it. The press should be asking Gibson loudly and often why, if that's the case, he isn't suing the EFL who adjudicate on punishments, or the auditors who signed off Derby's accounts.
Bring these people out in to the public eye. Make them explain themselves.
posted on 15/1/22
The other problem is the administrators have already shown themselves to be pushovers, they've already accepted completely unfair sanctions that could have been fought (and won) in court, because every single thing that's going on now comes down to the EFL initially approving that accounting method and our accounts. Dodgy as it was, they approved it, it's acceptable in other industries, and everything we did after was based on that approval.
The EFL is clearly expecting them to roll over again here.
posted on 15/1/22
comment by Rameses (U7190)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
Wow!
The professional and respected administrators have been told by The EFL board, two of which are Boro and Forest executives and none of which are experts in business administration, that their perfectly legal and costed plan to exit administration is not satisfactory. And the reason it’s not satisfactory is because the irrelevant, in administration terms, claims
of Boro and Wycombe have not been addressed.
You could not make this up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They may not be experts in business administration but Nicholas Randall QC does specialise in Sports Law and his former clients include Sir Bobby Robson, the Premier League, and Wayne Rooney so give him credit for that please.
(Not saying he might not have a small axe to grind though)
posted on 16/1/22
Comrades …. Here’s my letter to my MP
Mrs Latham
I am writing as one of your constituents to implore you to raise the deplorable situation affecting staff , players and most of all, the fans of Derby County .
It goes without saying that the impact of a failure of the administration to be exited successfully, will have a profound impact on the cultural, financial and mental well-being of many families across Derbyshire and the wider world .
For so many of your constituents , The Rams have been an ever constant in their lives , and the prospect of them going out of business
The shenanigans and thoroughly depressing chaos caused by the vacuous financial claims made by directors of Wycombe Wanderers and Middlesbrough are, through the weak leadership of the EFL, holding unfairly the administration in perilous limbo . The club is on a precipice and the EFL are acting in an appalling fashion in allowing these two clubs to attempt manipulate both the rules of the competition mid season , and to corrupt the legal process of administration. All the clubs in the EFL and some in the Premiership , have vested interests in us dying by a thousand cuts , to enable them to pick off our players for a song and doubly to weaken our ability to play our way out of relegation. Their actions to destroy us are increasing in their bile with each victory Wayne Rooney records in this valiant attempt to save ourselves .
3 buyers have tabled bids , and must be allowed to fairly and promptly allow their offers to proceed to the creditors vote .
I implore you to lobby all relevant ministers to shake up the EFL to allow the club to within days to find the new owner capable of securing some return for creditors , including of course HMRC , and to stop us from going into oblivion . This club is the life blood of our community and must be allowed to have a fair chance to survive .
In no way do I condone any of the actions of the previous owner Mel Morris . These legal/compo claims should be directed at him personally by the persuers, and in the courts not an administration process that the aims to protect the company in administration from disruptive and false legal claims .
Regards “ Hintononthewing”
posted on 16/1/22
Terrific, Hinton
posted on 16/1/22
posted on 16/1/22
Gladys
posted on 16/1/22
*********BREAKING NEWS**************
More trouble for Boris Johnson, as his aides confuse the EFL for the BBC.
It is understood that in an attempt to secure his political future, he's agreed to wind up the shower of incompetence that is the EFL. In a surprising U turn he has bowed down to pressure from Labour backbenchers and agreed to strip the Premier League and EFL of their rights to govern.
In a blow to the top 6 monopolising c&*^s, TV rights money will now be redistributed fairly throughout the leagues.
Guardiola and Klopp leapt to defend the current setup. "Hard working, weak minded glory hunting, consumers demand the highest levels of inequality to keep our league competitive." Pep raged. Sentiments echoed by Jurgen Klopp. "Fans prefer to see all the good players on one side and all the 5hit ones on the other. That way Match of the Day, can pretend that bosses are great and amazing and we should all bow down to their authority." Roman Abramovich cut short a fundraiser for Israeli settlements to echo similar concerns. "If the English game continues it's suicidal path towards equality, we will take all the good players and put them in other leagues where, we can make them look better than they really are again."
Tory backbenchers have vowed to fight against Boris Johnson. John Redwood after singing the Welsh National Anthem, said Johnson's decision to cut funding to the governing bodies of the English game, is tantamount to treason, and the first step towards Stalinism.
In other news Tom Lawrence the Derby attacking midfielder has drawn the ire of Severn Trent Water. He was found dancing on the water at Ladybower Reservoir in the early hours of Sunday morning. His friends Richard Keogh and Mason Bennett uploaded videos of it onto popular media sharing platform Tik Tok, from the backseat of their Taxi. Quantuma have declined to comment on the videos. "We are aware of unverified photos of Tom Lawrence walking on water but right now are fully focused on Mike Ashley signing this peace of paper, that says "Veni, vidi, vici EFL and Steve Gibson."
posted on 16/1/22
Piece *
posted on 16/1/22
2W
posted on 16/1/22
posted on 17/1/22
posted on 17/1/22
Wellies
posted on 17/1/22
Dear “hintononthewing”
Thank you for your email to my parliamentary office regarding Derby County, which I read with concern.
I am an avid Derby County supporter and have been for many years and so I fully appreciate the passion, commitment and loyalty of all the Rams fans. I met with a representative from Derby County this morning, who has updated me on this urgent situation. I am deeply concerned about the future of Derby County, a founding member of the football league, and will work with my fellow Derbyshire MPs to secure an urgent meeting with Nigel Huddleston MP, the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State, Minister for Sport, Tourism, Heritage and Civil Society and Tracey Crouch MP, who led the independent review of football governance.
I give my full support to this ongoing situation between the EFL and Derby County. Derby County Football Club plays a huge part in the lives of people in my constituency, impacting the city’s economy and businesses - an essential foundation of Derby’s community.
I am committed to ensuring the survival of Derby County Football Club and will publish any updates on my website. I have included the link below for ease of reference:
https://www.paulinelatham.co.uk/campaignresponses.
Thank you again for taking the time to raise this urgent situation with me.
With best wishes
Pauline Latham MP
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